Thread: fOrceez the Dream Yogi

I've been doing the level 3 of the first method - sound in every day life. I think it is not really difficult.. but the worst thing is trying to not be distracted. Have you any advice about keeping aware throughout the sleep stages?

Perhaps a better question should be, how should I fall asleep?

Originally Posted by fOrceez

I've been doing the level 3 of the first method - sound in every day life. I think it is not really difficult.. but the worst thing is trying to not be distracted. Have you any advice about keeping aware throughout the sleep stages?

I find that the worst thing someone can do in that situation is allow your mind to wander. Many people use daydreaming or similar things so they will not get bored. Keep some type of focus. I allow myself to drift only long enough to get my body restful. Focus and aware are almost the same word. If you want to enter the stages of sleep and stay aware you will need to be able to intensely focus, but in a relaxed way.
Focus intensely in a relaxed way? Think of the wrinkled brow serious look of someone cramming for a test. That is exactly the kind of focus you must avoid. Instead think of something like a frog getting ready to catch a fly. It is calm and focused. You do not see the focus as rigidity. I could probably explain more, but it is really Sageous' area for the moment.

Here is are few examples of how it can be done. Gain awareness of your energy body and examine it with your inner preceptions (maybe gaze into the 3rd eye). Mantra. Counting. Visualization.

Thanks for the reply! I think for the next week nights, I will try and keep focus on my body/limbs as I drift to sleep, rather than my breathing. Shall update again in the next few days to tell of how it goes; whether i am able to fall asleep while maintain a decent level of focus or not - any lucids, etc.

WILD and DILD last night - DILD was just due to daily practice, i suppose. However; i think the WILD was due to the focus on each of the senses. For example, i'd focus on one thing then the next. I then felt my body get heavier and then heard the strong wind transition. Didn't do much in either of the dreams.

Originally Posted by fOrceez

WILD and DILD last night - DILD was just due to daily practice, i suppose. However; i think the WILD was due to the focus on each of the senses. For example, i'd focus on one thing then the next. I then felt my body get heavier and then heard the strong wind transition. Didn't do much in either of the dreams.

Woohoo! It is nice to get fast results. Many hundreds or thousands of LDs to come. Good job.

Thanks Possibly another lucid just then - i woke up with the thought after the nap, but i can't recall the full dream.

Another WILD two nights ago - lasted roughly 20 minutes. Spent half the dream attempting to dream share. Are there any books that you could recommend related to dream yoga? The Tibetan Yoga of Sleep and Dream is starting to seem too religious. I don't particularly want to do energy work.. just.. laziness.

Originally Posted by fOrceez

Another WILD two nights ago - lasted roughly 20 minutes. Spent half the dream attempting to dream share. Are there any books that you could recommend related to dream yoga? The Tibetan Yoga of Sleep and Dream is starting to seem too religious. I don't particularly want to do energy work.. just.. laziness.

As crazy as it sounds, I have never read a book on the subject. I did order three or four of them for this class. I have not read them yet, but I plan on posting lessons where I reeview each book. So before long, if any of them are good, I should know.
I was actually thinking of the lessons being a stream lined pouline of the useful stuff minus all of the religious thought. I can read right through a few paragraphs of the religious clutter and tell everyone what they should take from it. I will also leave the threads open, so ppeople can ask questions about things in the books.

That sounds like a really good idea. Maybe I'll try and ask around and see if Sageous or R_B have any suggestions.

Who is R_B? I am always interested in pin pointing the members i should be watching for.

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Heya sivason,
How can i adjust how much focus I put into something whilst trying to fall asleep? At the moment, it feels like all or nothing :/

Try this. If it does not work i will give you something else, but this should work. Learn diffuse vision and watch a tv episode with it. Hold a pencil or crystal or something in front of your eyes about half an arms length away. First look at it normally. Your eyes will adjust to bring it into focus so you do not see two images. Your brain will also rush to analyse the info and the object comes into clear focus. that is normal vision. For difuse vision you want to relax the muscle controlling the focus of the eyes. You should see that things are not so clear and you may see two images just barely offset. You will still look at the object but learn not to focus on it. It is in your field of vision, you are aware that you are looking at it, but you do not allow your eyes to focus on it. You will likely start to see auras when you learn this. Your hand and the object may start to glow, but do not focus on them or it will stop. Seeing auras is a different subject, but in learning diffuse vision you may stumble on them.
When you get that down, attempt to watch an entire tv episode with diffuse vision. Look at the tv but do not focus on it. follow the story and listen. if things are happening on the screen take in the images and know what you are seeing, but do not engage the muscles that control focus, and donot track the action with your eyes.

Ok, why? and how does that help?

By the time you have learned diffuse vision and can watch about ten minutes of a show that way, you will have learned the correct mental state for WILD. Remember new brain skills take at least 3 weeks to remodel the neurons. I waant you to find that state of mind on your own, but the info above should work in getting you there.

Hi everyone! It has been almost two weeks. I hope everyone got a chance to practice. The thread Dream Yoga Basic Skills: Lesson 1, has been updated. I have shared a few ways these skills will be useful in LDs, and the thread is now open to Q & A.

Have you mastered this?

Originally Posted by fOrceez

Have you mastered this?

Sure, decades (well 2 any ways) ago. This is really a pretty easy thing to master. You can get good at it in less than a month and master it in less than a year.
This will also be cover as one of the skills in the next skills lesson, but you can start on it now.

As great as the theory sounds about the diffused vision, how am I supposed to relax my eye muscles? I'm not entirely sure what i'm doing.
What exactly am I aiming for? Focus mentally without having my vision adjust?

It takes practice and training. Start maybe by trying to relax the muscles that prevent you from going cross-eyed. When you relax them and do not focus on anything you will see a slight double image. Exploring the how is part of the work you must do. This stuff takes a long time and you need to do the bulk of the work yourself. I assure you it is possable in an evening or two to learn to relax those muscles. It is the kind of vision someone staring out a window, but lost in a day dream would have. Not a big secret, just learn to have that kind of difuse vision.

What you are aiming for, is to figure out why I am telling you to do this, through trial and error. Here is a hint. The skill it will take to stay relaxed enough to not track the objects on the screen or focus on anything on the screen, but still see the images and understand what you are seeing, is not natural. It will take a month or so to develop it well. However, the tricks and relaxed state are the same tricks and relaxed state you need to adjust your level of focus.

If I understand your question, you want to be able to stay aware, but not over stimulate your mind, as that will keep you from sleeping. If you develop difuse vision as one of your skills and push it so far that you can watch tv for 10 minutes using it, then you will have an example of the type of meditative methods you can use to dial back awareness, but not turn it off.

Think of your eyes focusing against your will as the same thing your mind does when you become too aware.


The super short version,,, it will teach you skills needed in achieving your goal, trust.

Was playing around with it during all of last night before sleeping. I laid in bed staring at the roof and not focusing on anything. The vision end up getting very blurred. I then closed my eyes and just focused on all of the dark space. Drifting in and out of consciousness, I really entered that 'this is a dream' state of mind. This later induced a DILD within the first cycle of REM, which is quite odd - it seems first REM cycles only ever let me get lucid by DILD ^_^
Something that really bothered me while trying to practice the diffused vision while closing my eyes was that I kept on moving my eyes - There was a HUGE urge to just let them.... sway around. Is there anything I can do about this?
As for the lesson, I realised what it was teaching a few nights ago - without it having put into words, the shift in focuses was what I was already doing. I just never done it for sight alone.

Also, I purchased for the Tibetan Book of the Dead a few days ago. It should arrive within the next week

Originally Posted by fOrceez

Was playing around with it during all of last night before sleeping. I laid in bed staring at the roof and not focusing on anything. The vision end up getting very blurred. I then closed my eyes and just focused on all of the dark space. Drifting in and out of consciousness, I really entered that 'this is a dream' state of mind. This later induced a DILD within the first cycle of REM, which is quite odd - it seems first REM cycles only ever let me get lucid by DILD ^_^
Something that really bothered me while trying to practice the diffused vision while closing my eyes was that I kept on moving my eyes - There was a HUGE urge to just let them.... sway around. Is there anything I can do about this?
As for the lesson, I realised what it was teaching a few nights ago - without it having put into words, the shift in focuses was what I was already doing. I just never done it for sight alone.

It takes you learning the subtle ways your brain trys to get you to move your eyes. Patients and observation. You need to explore and figure out something very subtle. When you can over-ride your urge to have your eyes move and focus, you will have learned a new mental state. In that mental state you can avoid having your WILDs fail due to you reacting to anything you see or feel. You get to a state of awareness minus the harsh edge of attention that can hold you in a fully awake place. Hope that makes sense. Work your way through the lesson, in all its part and give it about three weeks. Before long you will have a tool to use that should allow your WILDs to go smoother.

It this mental state 'retreating' to the mind rather than the body? I was just... thinking today. Awareness but not focus. Seems oddly fitting, in a way.

Originally Posted by fOrceez

It this mental state 'retreating' to the mind rather than the body? I was just... thinking today. Awareness but not focus. Seems oddly fitting, in a way.

Well retreating to the mind is sort of it. You are getting a disconnect from responding to the body. Awareness but not focus. I like it! As soon as i open the thread in about two weeks, I am going to copy it into the lesson thread and give you a 'Gold Star' for being the first to state it so clearly. 'Gold Stars' are now worth 30 hall points.