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      Finally I was able to use the mental state of diffuse vision for WILD and as you might guess I got my first WILD yesterday. It was an amazing feeling like I had almost 0 focus ,but in the same time I knew I was there. I didn't really notice many HI only before I entered the dream. I just decided to post and give you credit ^^.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Beefer View Post
      Hey there Sivason!

      I haven't posted in a while ,but I was practicing diffuse vision a lot lately since I am trying to preform WILD (and also some Here and Now and Wandering Mind recall). So first I discovered that things look doubly not only when they are close to me. If I sit in the same place for a certain amount of time and focus on nothing and 'just see' ,even if I look at the wall or any other object that is some meters away from me it becomes double imaged! I try to practice diffuse vision when I am walking or just sitting in the car and look how the scene changes without focusing on it.

      So now I have a little problem with WILD. I can't fall asleep... I am too much aware of everything so I stay awake. Not to mention that I am the type who has to be in control of his mind all day long so it is just really hard for me to let go. Thanks to Sageous I was able to determine that problem and he one of his suggestion was to try and focus on nothing. When I read it I was like "hmmm that sounds familiar..." so now I am practicing diffuse vision a lot in order to be able to go to sleep (In addition to 61 points meditation that I learned through the Internet). Now I found it a little bit hard to use the diffuse vision while laying in bed since I am not really using my vision so I get confused while trying to not focus on my body and the sounds around me. I thought that maybe I should try some how to practice 'diffuse hearing' and 'diffuse sensation' ,but I am not sure how exactly. Do you have any other idea how can I adjust diffuse vision better for my needs or any other idea how can I go to sleep while staying aware (I am emphasizing the 'go to sleep' part :shade wink: ).

      By the way I also wanted to ask you when the next lesson comes out ?
      The trick is in the mental adjustment you need to make to stop trying to focus on everything. It is a relaxed, take it all in, frame of mind, that does not jump and track after every sensation. Now in the WILD attempt, you need to think about your attention or mind's eye the same way. Experience everthing, but do not allow your focus to engage. This allows you to stay aware, but unfocused. Direct focus will keep you from the sleep state, but a wandering mind will cause normal sleep. This diifuse attitude allows awareness with out focus. It is a skil that takes practice, but you will get it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Beefer View Post
      Well yesterday and today I tried both of the new skills after reading latest lesson before going to sleep.

      So first I tried the first skill which is the visual one. I laid in my bed and examined my eyelids . Just like you said I could see some blue dots although the color was quite weak. After I WBTB I examined it once more and this time I think I saw some yellow dots and later on which were even weaker than the blue dots. After a little while the yellow dots vanished and blue lines which were much more clear replaced them. There were 3 of them and it looked like they formed a shape similar to that smiley -_-. I also had some troubles closing my eyes since they opened after a while ,but I guess I will just try and relax them or something . I actually already examined my eyelids before as a child. I remember covering my eyelids with my hands and then uncovering it and seeing the result. I also remember I used to see some colors like red and blue and maybe yellow I think ,but I am not sure about the last one since it was long ago (in my terms).

      The second skill , the tactical one I tried today on my way back home. So after realizing the barber shop is closed I figured I should try the new skill so I held on to some objects in the way until I found the one I was most comfortable with. I grabbed a green hot square like metal pipe. After I decided to go with that object I grabbed it with some force and released. The few moments after grabbing it was quite easy ,but as time passed the memory faded. At start I felt my physical hand like it is still feeling that pipe ,but later on I decided it not effective enough so I tried to imagine a new hand that will hold the pipe while I am walking. Now it was like I felt the pipe with my shoulder in the same way I did with my hand ,but later on it was like there is something on my shoulder and from that point I couldn't really maintain that feeling anymore. I also found out it is quite hard to focus on the heat of the pipe and of the way it felt in the same time.

      So now I am going to sleep and before that I will examine my eye lids once again and see which color will be there tonight so... good night!


      Good job! Keep working that exercise as it leads to some amazing things later. The advanced skills will be of no use to those who did not really practice these other skills. This one can take a month or so before you start getting really good, but we all have lots of time to work on it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Beefer View Post
      Finally I was able to use the mental state of diffuse vision for WILD and as you might guess I got my first WILD yesterday. It was an amazing feeling like I had almost 0 focus ,but in the same time I knew I was there. I didn't really notice many HI only before I entered the dream. I just decided to post and give you credit ^^.

      Freakin Awesome!!!
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      Well not much lately with the visualization... I get to see blue ,but not so much. It look like there is a lot of black ,but among it there are some blue shapes which are quite weak. Maybe I am doing something wrong or maybe it just takes a lot of practice.

      Anyways the tactical exercise is much more easier for me. I am already able to recreate in my mind the feeling of my whole arm moving (more or less ).

      Oh and another thing! Is it just me or when you perform diffuse vision light sources looks like as if light rays are coming out of them o.o ?
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      I do not think you are doing it wrong. This is one of the most powerful and useful skills I have to offer. I listed it as intermediate, because it takes a lot of time and practice. Spend a few years on it if you need to. That is a problem with developing mental yoga skills and an internet class. Most subject can be learned because you just memorize something. Developing entire new skills of the mind takes at least 3 weeks to make a breakthrough, then more time to develop any mastery. So, stick to it. I was thinking the course should take about a year. A couple more intermediate skills will be offered. Plenty of time will be offered for each, plus you should keep practicing them now and again through out your life. The advanced skills will require that you practice them in side of an LD, so that is what make them advanced, but you will have developed all the skills in the basic and intermediate threads. You will just be learning how the skills give you mastery over LDs.
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      Ok so now I am able to fill my entire vision field with blue ,but it is quite hard to make the blue go away or to summon other colors instead....

      Also some days ago (maybe even a week) I have sat down and tried to visualize blue instead of doing it before sleep and I encountered some odd experience. I was looking at the colors I created and then quite randomly I thought of them as a snake. So this so called blue 'snake' was looking at me and moving around a bit. The thing is that I actually thought of it as the real thing , quite similar to the way it happens in dreams. I even had to calm myself down and tell myself that the snake is my friend so I will not panic. I tried later to induce such a thing before I went to sleep and after I caught on to some yellow shapes I tried to transform them into a golden dragon I just remembered from the book that was beside my bed. I could see how the yellow shapes reacted to the dragon I pictured in my mind ,but my control over it wasn't that good and it wasn't vivid like the snake... I also tried that out a third time when I tried to picture a red squirrel ,but that was a total failure and the red shapes haven't even resembled a snake. It is not that I clearly saw those things ,it was more like the shapes adopted significance of their own. It was quite a weird ,but cool experience .
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      Oh and another thing Sivason! I have sniffed around the other workbooks of the students in order to see if I can find something interesting and I saw that you wrote some nice post at fOrceez's Workbook about reality being an illusion. So after I read it I am interested to know how do you know that everything around you is actually a dream and what is a dream to you?
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      You are doing great with the visualization skill! I think you have made it farther than any one else at the moment. Build this skill up over the rest of your life. It is one of the most important skills I have to tteach for LDing.

      As far as knowing. I have had a very weird life. I would actually be taken as crazy or a bold face liar by many if I revieled everything that has happened. The most simple way to explain my 'knowing' is that after 25+ years of actively chasing thsi stuff and perhaps 20+ years of full Kundalini awakenig I have had it proven to me many hundreds of times. I have been able to do 'things' that are based on the dream nature of reality, that appear to be extremely powerful magic. So, if I wass only sure due to a feeling, I would call that faith, but when the truth of it has been shown to me hundreds of times, I feel I honestly know it.
      As far as everything being a dream, do not get confused and think I doubt science. The dream we are in is unimaginably stable. The laws to govern the dream have been set and the dream holds everything in place by falling back on set ways things happen. So, in this dream gravity is very real, and to fly, man dreamt up airplanes. You do not get full control of the dream, so you can not walk through walls and other things that clearly defy nature.
      A creative force is providing the basis for the dream, but we are also dreamers. It is a shared dream in that sense. The way you use this for magical ends, is to realize that the future is not limited by anything. You can imagine a future in which you find a parking space easily. You exert the same kind of dream control as in an LD and can get astounding results. None of the magic I do could be proven to be supernatural. For instance, always having perfect weather when I travel could be a coincidence. So, the laws of science will stay in place, but as long as the dreamer (me) works within those laws, aamazing things can happen. Make what you will of it, no one can convince another of such things. I actually reached a point about 10 years ago where I no longer am limited by normal human preception, and can now actually see the dream material (can not explain).
      I can tell you that I started this path at about the same age you are, and have been able to 'dream up' a wonderful almost perfect life, full of anything I have ever wanted, including spiritual development and a good soul, on top of lots and lots of sex with pretty woman, and becoming so wealthy, the bank would let me buy a Lexus with a credit card if I wanted. Just saying, I have had proof.


      Your post about the snake will be pasted into the lesson and you earn 50 hall points!
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      WooT! I was finally able to fill my whole vision field with another color than just faint blue! So that day I started to read The Hobit by G.R.R Tolkin and I really like the way he described everything in the book. So then I decided that I will try to describe what I see in a similar way to the descriptions of the surroundings in the book (or in other words I combined "The right here and now" skill with visualizations). First I started to describe the red color I wanted to appear. "Then a red screen appeared before me red as a cherry , as blood , as a fresh strawberry from a field!..." That was what I thought to myself and finally I saw a complete red screen before me. Even though that was not a faint red like before. It was a red color as a cherry or as a tip of blood or even as a strawberry! "Then the the red screen started to vanish as if the dark black field from beforehand took over it just like darkness takes over the day when evening comes" I thought to my self and ... it happened! I was quite tired when I tried it and since it was quite late (you can also refer to it as early ) I went to sleep. That was the first time the colors I saw had a strong color and no a faint color as always.
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      Woot! Awesome.
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      Ok so for some nights I haven't been able to get that red screen again so today I decided I am going to get it. So at first I tried to pull it of slowly ,but the red wasn't really reddish , more like blackish . So then the blue shapes and dots which always appears there suddenly took the form of a 3D rhino. Then I wondered how did that just happened since it was just an association. Then I thought that maybe in order to get the red screen I need to try and get an association of it. So I tried to ,by just thinking suddenly ".....red!" (More like imagining suddenly ,but not really as you just imagine something , more like seeing it). Well it worked for a moment since I saw a red screen which after a second disappeared. Then I also tried to associate the red screen by imagining things related to red like you suggested and saw that it works in the same way.
      Then I just decided to move or something and with my eyes closed saw my hand moving . I was completely sure my eyes were closed , so I tried once again and I saw quite a dark version of my hand and when I opened my eyes it was placed almost exactly (at most cases) at the location of the fabricated hand I saw which was made of black & blue shapes. Then it got quite interesting. After moving my hand around and seeing the effect on the shapes and dots I used the tactical skill in order to try and create an imaginary hand which would touch my face and see how it would affect the shapes and dots. The results were very exciting since i was able to see dark , 5 long & round sticks on my face which looked like the imaginary hand which copied the real hand of mine. I think that because that because of the expectation of the fact that that my hand is there and the association that my hand is there since I can feel it (In this case expectation and association seem to me as the same thing) made me 'see' a fabricated hand which adjusted it's location to the original hand or the hand I created with the tactical skill.

      Now it doesn't stop here . So just when I woke up from this dream about me being in a pool at my school with that girl , I decided to go back into that dream with DEILD (I didn't really think of that as a DEILD at the time ,but now it seems like a DEILD). So I tried to imagine the girl , to see the girl. I saw the girl and then suddenly I had the association of her making out , so she was making out with this guy. Then I was like "Hey I want to make out with her!" so I tried to feel her warmth against me and her tongue , so then I saw her , and felt her making out with me. Hurray! Although then I saw her again with another guy... so the first thing that came to my mind that she might be a prostitute. Then the girl disappeared and I was like "Oh no the dragon kidnapped the princes!" so I would go on an adventure to rescue her. I visualized the dragon and I fought him even though in the middle of the fight with the evil dragon some how it turned to be a game of mario (maybe because of the princess thing...) . Anyways what I am trying to present is that I had quite a fine control of the dream whenever I tried to control something which was quite awesome! even though it was for a short while. It is much easier to feel something or see something in a dream compared to the visualizations that we do in reality.

      Edit: Hmm after writing the second paragraph I see that it doesn't seem so exciting as it felt. Well it is just that it was exciting to see that the visualizations and the tactical skill worked so fine in the dream.
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      Very nice, you are starting to learn little subtle ways your brain works. I like the whole first two paragraphs and will paste them in to the lesson and award 50 hall points. Great progress!
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      Hey there Sivason,

      I haven't posted here in a while because I didn't really had anything exciting to tell you . Although today I had an awesome WILD attempt (I started to become quite good at WILD ^^ ) . So in the dream I was at my balcony and it was raining . So I tried to collect the blue dots (The raindrops ) into a ball of water at first. Now in the past I was already able to water bend ,but not properly . Even though today the rain drops gathered into one blue perfect water ball !! The thing is that I think that might be because of the visualization. It makes sense because I usually connect the blue random dots & shapes into blue screen , so here I just did that with water . I have seen that you updated some new skills now ,but I didn't really see what are they ,although I am looking forward to learn the new skills .
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      Great. I am glad to see you using the skills in LDs. This visualization skill will greatly enhance your dream control.
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      Hello once again Sivason ,

      This time I came here in order to seek for an advice ! I started practicing the "create motion" skill. So I started with concentrating on the points you mentioned and I could pull it off at most of them ,but there is one particular point that I can't really focus well... This is the one point that the spine connects the skull. For some reason it is hard for me to shift most of my focus to that spot without shifting focus also to my jaw and skull. Is that supposed to be that way? If not then do you any idea how do I prevent it to be that way and gain more focus at that particular spot without focusing also on my jaw or skull.
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      I kind of was able to get it. It was basically an area that I am usually not really focusing so it was harder at start. I guess I just had to get used to it and concentrate plus be a little more patient until I will pull it off. In addition I also used the mental state of diffuse vision in order to eliminate the undesired focus on the mouth .
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      Quote Originally Posted by Beefer View Post
      I kind of was able to get it. It was basically an area that I am usually not really focusing so it was harder at start. I guess I just had to get used to it and concentrate plus be a little more patient until I will pull it off. In addition I also used the mental state of diffuse vision in order to eliminate the undesired focus on the mouth .
      Brilliant! You may be one of the few who gets that. Another small issue that just needs worked through with practice is that you activate nerves with this kind of focus, and they may be connected to areas you are not trying to focus on, but it sounds like you are doing great, good job!
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      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      Brilliant! You may be one of the few who gets that. Another small issue that just needs worked through with practice is that you activate nerves with this kind of focus, and they may be connected to areas you are not trying to focus on, but it sounds like you are doing great, good job!
      That explains that undesired focus !
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      Well I haven't really progressed much with the 'creating motion' technique since I still think I can't shift my focus good enough from point to point.
      Although I have done a lot of thinking about all sort of subjects related to the mind and I think I am starting to get more interested in it. One thing I have realized is that control is all about focus (Maybe not all of it ,but it is a decent part indeed in my opinion). I have came to notice that by shifting my focus from one thing to another I can control my dreams better. For example like you like to do Sivason , by shifting your focus to feeling of the angel wings you have you can create them. Also in my dreams I like to focus one color for example and then see how many stuff of that color appear suddenly .

      The funny thing that I noticed is that it doesn't only apply to lucid dreaming ,but also to many other stuff like: Magic tricks , Marketing , Pickup and all kinds of field where one manipulates the mind of another and control it. Those things are all basically a game of focus. Whether you use quick hand moves to avoid the focus of the crowd while attracting it's focus with words like "Abra Kadabra!" , or attract a customer attention towards the pros of a product instead of the cons of the product , in the end you are just playing with people's focus & attention .

      Maybe that was already obvious for most people . now you must be thinking something like 'yes it might have' or 'nope! I didn't think about it that way...' since I attracted your focus toward that sentence above . Anyways I just realized it and I think that might be some valuable information so I decided to share my thoughts which I was thinking for a while.

      Also now I think I understand why people who do meditation want to quiet their mind or their inner monologue . That way they can shift their focus to whatever they want which means they can actually 'control' the world as they see it in a better way. I have also noticed that all of the skills you are teaching are 'focus related' so it gave me a feeling that I am on the right way here .

      That is why lately I am playing a lot with my focus in many different ways and in many different situations. That is actually quite fun . I am play focus along the day and also use the skills you teach on random occasions so even while going on the street I suddenly use diffuse vision to ignore the people around me and listen to the cars driving on the road and to the sound of my feet hitting the floor.

      I have also developed some kinds of an idea that since the world as I see it , like a dream , is actually a 3D movie inside my head so like I am not afraid or shy to do things in my dreams I shouldn't be afraid or shy to do things in reality since both realms are actually existing inside my head in some way or another. I mean , like it is kind of funny not to behave naturally at my home why shouldn't behave naturally in my head?

      Those are just some thoughts I had lately and figured I should share them . So now I have got some H.w. for tomorrow so I better do them so I will be able to go to sleep soon >.> .
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      Great progress. In a path like this, much of the progress is about how you view life and relate to your mind and the world, and not so much about achieving the skills. These are intense hard to master skills, and you have forever to do it. For now, it sounds like you are growing as a person and becoming more aware. I coudn't ask for more.
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      Yesterday I stayed after physics class to ask the teacher a question about something related to math and the conversation just went in a way that reminded me some things you said Sivason. So first just for you to know my Physics teacher has PHD in physics and he described himself as a plasma physician that decided to become a teacher.

      So we were talking about Mechanics and then he started to speak with me about our minds . He said something like that : " The world as I see it is not really as it is. I understand there is some function that converts the world as it is to my the world I see ,but as we learned with time this function has some distortions. All I have to do is be aware of them." (I am not sure about the words ,but it was the concept as I understood it and I also translated it to english so that catch me with the words ).

      At that moment I was like ' isn't it like Sivason's theory which everything around us is actually a dream and that we have to be aware of our surroundings?' . Actually lately I see that mystics and non-mystics usually refer to the same things with different names. For example once I read on the internet an article by a mystic where he was talking about the soul and then I read an article by a non-mystic speaking of the mind & the thought. It was quite funny since they described it in the same exact way ,but referred to it by different ways.

      Also today I thought about my conversation with my teacher while trying to perform the second step of the 'create motion' skill. I tried to focus the different points and then I suddenly thought 'If this whole world is actually inside my head shouldn't I try to focus on the point as it is inside my head rather then on the external point on my body which is not on inside my head?'. So I tried to use my brain in order to shift my focus and through it directing my focus towards the point I wanted. It worked quite well ! I guess the mouse cursor you were talking about is actually the mind itself . Now I will try that once again tomorrow because now my mind is tired and I really want to go to sleep . Anyways just thought I will share that stuff with you ^.^ . I wonder how much can we manipulate that world inside our minds, is it possible to make pain go away or even controlling heat & cold. I guess I will try that out in the future. Anyways my conclusion is that the manipulation of everything around us whether it is : focus , happiness , perspective starts in our own mind.
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      Thanks for sharing your thoughs. I am on a mobile phone now, so I will write more later. You can infact seriously effect both pain and heat/cold. I can use these skills to go outside and make snow angels in my underware or go for a walk in below freezing weather with no shirt on. You can not detect any discomfort on my face. I can also endure tremendous pain with out showing any change in my facial expression. The level this training can reach is perhaps, Beyond your wildest dreams. You can get to where you can almost experience virtual reality while awake.
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      Hey there Sivason,

      Today our math lesson was cancelled so I just went to sit some where and eat something. I was eating my ban and then suddenly I thought to myself " Hey let's try for once to create the feeling of motion ! " . Lately I have been practicing on shifting my awareness from point to point ,but I didn't really try to move around while focusing on the points. Although it was obvious for me, the moment I read it, that by moving at the same time while shifting your focus you will eventually make a connection between the two feelings and will not need to spin anymore to feel that you are spinning. Now the thing is that I am not sure whether I pulled it off or not. I felt that I moved like in a little circle ,but it didn't really look like the world around me was spinning. Even though one may say that I could have moved just a little bit so my vision was not really effected. Anyways I will still keep on practicing that skill so one day I will be able to tell for sure that I am not really moving ,but just feeling that I am moving .
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      This skill does not have a visual component. Souns like you are doing it right. You do make a mental connection and soon do not need to actually move to create the feeling of moving. The visual field just stays the same, so doing it with closed eyes may help.
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