I'll be posting chat logs here. Ignore the *s they are a glitch.
Spoiler for class #3:
< zebrah > Today we will be talking about DILD and WILD
< zebrah > can either of you guess why
< Indeed > No
< insideout > nope
< Indeed > i'm a bit busy
< zebrah > ok indeed
< insideout > oh, um... they are the best methods?
< zebrah > It's because all other techniques are based off of then
< zebrah > them*
< insideout > ah, I see.
< zebrah > DEILD, FILD, V-WILD, WILD are all WILDs
< zebrah > MILD and DILD are DILDs
< zebrah > So first off DILD
< zebrah > DILD stands for dream initiated lucid dream
< zebrah > So you can guess why MILD is a sun technique
< zebrah > Because MILDs are started in your dream
< zebrah > Have you had a DILD insideout?
< insideout > Yep
< insideout > :^)
< zebrah > Sweet
< zebrah > So I'm going to do this class again
< insideout > :^(
< zebrah > So I'm not going to go into detail if I don't need to
< insideout > Ok.
< zebrah > But basically you know how to reality check well right!
< insideout > Yessir
< zebrah > Like focusing on why you are doing it
< zebrah > good
< insideout > I try to.
< zebrah > have you ever had a RC not work in a dream
< insideout > Yeah, a few times
< zebrah > like you could breathe through your nose?
< insideout > Yeah.
< zebrah > That is because you were doing the RC mindlessly
< zebrah > Wait
< zebrah > I typed that thing before wrong
< insideout > :^( not necessarily.
< zebrah > Have you ever been in a dream and you couldn't breathe after pinching your nose.
< zebrah > like what would happen IRL
< insideout > Yeah,
< zebrah > Ok
< zebrah > That is what I meant
< insideout > I understood what you meant.
< zebrah > if you do a lot of reality checks but don't focus on why you are doing them that happens
< zebrah > expecting not to be able to breathe is bad
< zebrah > Don't expect anything
< zebrah > truly test reality
< insideout > Good point
< zebrah > Do you have any DILD related questions?
< insideout > not really...
< zebrah > I see
< zebrah > Most of the DILD basics were in lecture one
< zebrah > So WILD
< zebrah > It's a wake initiated lucid dream
< zebrah > because the others I listed before all start from waking
< zebrah > they fall into the DILD category
< zebrah > Have you have much experience with WILDs?
< insideout > I have had 3 successful WILDs recently.
< zebrah > nice
< insideout > And the failed ones led to DILDs.
< zebrah > That is great
< zebrah > XD
< zebrah > this is hard to do with one person
< zebrah > Well what do you know about DEILD
< insideout > Sorry. Everyone fails.
< zebrah > Naw it's I'm
< zebrah > ok*
< insideout > Dream exit ILD?
< insideout > or is that not it?
< zebrah > Yeah
< zebrah > Have you done one of those?
< insideout > I'm not sure.
< zebrah > Well here is how they work
< insideout > Is it when you exit a dream and then re-enter
< zebrah > You wake up from a dream and don't move or open your eyes
< zebrah > them yes enter a dream
< zebrah > it has a super high success rate
< insideout > Ah, Yes. I have done that a few times.
< zebrah > Chanting the mantra "I am dreaming" really helps
< zebrah > You are just a prodigy
< insideout > Wha? no.
< insideout > I practice a lot.
< zebrah > lol
< zebrah > Yeah
< zebrah > lately I have no time for lucid dreaming
< insideout > I concider myself sort of a moderate beginner.
< zebrah > because of school and the DVA
< zebrah > it's kinda funny
< insideout > The class takes up your time to LD?
< zebrah > Well a bit
< zebrah > I have almost no free time
< insideout > That's too bad.
< zebrah > Yeah
< zebrah > I keep up with my J
< zebrah > DJ*
< zebrah > And I'm trying to work harder on DILD
< zebrah > DILD isn't my favorite technique but it works
< insideout > yeah
< zebrah > What has worked best for you?
< insideout > WILDing seems to be giving me the best results.
< insideout > It didn't work in the past. But I recently figured out how to focus on my breathing better.
< zebrah > Yeah I'm no good at WILDing but I love to try
< zebrah > I've only had a few
< zebrah > That's great
< zebrah > It is really something you need to learn yourself
< insideout > There are still so many factors that make each attempt different.
< zebrah > for sure
< zebrah > Well shoot I'm sorry this class has been horrible :(
< insideout > Eh, it's ok.
< zebrah > Yeah I mean is there anything you want to learn about
< zebrah > or are interested in
< insideout > I appreciate our mini discussion anyway.
< zebrah > yeah
< zebrah > but really anything at all
< zebrah > Like even if it's something dream control related
< insideout > Mostly learning to WILD better and have better dream control
< zebrah > ok dream control
< zebrah > What are you able to do
< insideout > I can fly pretty easily. Sometimes I can manipulate little things, but not much.
< zebrah > Ok
< zebrah > what technique do you use for control?
< insideout > It depends on the thing I"m controlling, sort of.
< insideout > Let's see....
< insideout > I try to will things to happen sometimes.
< insideout > Or expect it to happen.
< insideout > Pretending something is happening sometimes makes it actually happen.
< zebrah > ok cool
< zebrah > The key to dream control is this
< zebrah > You can do everything
< zebrah > but your mind constricts you
< zebrah > you expect things not to work so they don't
< insideout > I think I have trouble with inner doubt.
< zebrah > Exactly
< insideout > yeah, exactly.
< insideout > heh
< zebrah > Lol
< zebrah > But yeah archetype control is also very cool
< zebrah > Mzzkc has a good tutorial on it
< insideout > I read about that recently
< zebrah > basically if you want to make it dark emulate turning a light off
< insideout > Only I couldn't think of an archetype for the specific thing I wanted to do.
< zebrah > it's works surprisingly well
< zebrah > What did you want to do?
< insideout > Find a specific dream character.
< zebrah > Hmm I see
< zebrah > is the DC someone you know?
< insideout > I tried looking around corners, opening a door, and asking other DCs.
< insideout > No. We've met a few times in lucid dreams.
< zebrah > oh I see
< zebrah > You could try using a cell phone and calling them
< insideout > Yeah. What if I use a phone and ask her to find me?
< zebrah > Yeah
< zebrah > I would try that
< zebrah > like you might if you couldn't find a friend
< insideout > I'll try that next time I get the chance.
< zebrah > cool
< zebrah > Well if you don't have anything else I'll be on me way
< insideout > Alright. Thanks
< zebrah > cool
< zebrah > thank you
< insideout > No problem.
< zebrah > Good luck with lucid dreaming :)
< insideout > You too
< NoDaniel > -__-
< zebrah > well
< Indeed > lololol
< zebrah > hi :)
< Indeed > Oh, hi
< zebrah > Hey
< Lunataur > :P
< zebrah > So class is in 24 min
< Lunataur > theres no point of me being here
< zebrah > there is some soda over on the course
< NoDaniel > Same
< zebrah > counter*
< zebrah > Fine leave
< zebrah > :(
< Indeed > Techniques leessen?
< Lunataur > zebrah.. im failing this class anyway
< Indeed > :0
< zebrah > yeah
< zebrah > It's ok
< zebrah > like everyone is failing
< zebrah > well
< zebrah > 20 min
< Indeed > AAAAAAAHHH
< zebrah > lol
< Indeed > WE'VE GOT THE COMMERCIAL SIIIIIIGGGNN
< zebrah > ?
< zebrah > You're band got signed?
< zebrah > your*
< Indeed > MST3K reference
< Indeed > and I wish
< zebrah > are you even good?
< Indeed > meh
< zebrah > lol
< Indeed > pretty good
< Indeed > one too many lead guitarists
< Indeed > :as
< zebrah > lol
< Lunataur > ...
< Lunataur > to be honest
< Indeed > We're trying to get a singer out of the instrument players
< zebrah > you can leave if you want to
< Indeed > I hope it's me :)
< Lunataur > i think percy speaks out of his ass
< Indeed > *sniff sniff*
< Indeed > yep
< Indeed > just smell his breath
< zebrah > Lunataur: Kind of
< Lunataur > i mean hes a good teacher
< zebrah > examples?
< Lunataur > but i feel he makes himself sound like he has mastered LDing
< zebrah > yeah
< Lunataur > all techniques
< Indeed > lol
< Indeed > Really?
< Lunataur > yeea
< Indeed > Zebrah's a good teacher
< Indeed > Not an asshole
< Indeed > :)
< zebrah > lol
< zebrah > I've heard a few people complain about him....
< Indeed > hmm
< Lunataur > im not going to say anything
< zebrah > Well
< Indeed > Maybe I'll teach one day...
< zebrah > Luna if you have any concerns....
< zebrah > Please PM me
< Lunataur > well u already know the usual cliches
< zebrah > Yeah
< zebrah > I'm in charge of him when it comes to the DVA
< Indeed > Can I sub-teach today?
< Indeed > I've MILDed before
< zebrah > Lol
< Indeed > hm?
< Indeed > Please?
< zebrah > Lol
< Lunataur > PercyLucid talks too much
< zebrah > it may just be you XD
< Lunataur > he loses his students too easily
< zebrah > Yeah...
< Lunataur > and he doesnt check enough to see if anyone has questions
< zebrah > Yup....
< Lunataur > hes the real kick in the teeth
< Indeed > Seriously, can I sub-teach?
< zebrah > sure
< Lunataur > percy is on now
< Lunataur > he just pmed me
< zebrah > Yup
< Indeed > PARTAY
< Indeed > What does it mean when I am &-ed
< zebrah > lol
< zebrah > nothing
< Indeed > Oh
< Indeed > d
< Indeed > f
< Indeed > d
< Indeed >
< Indeed > WTF?
< zebrah > lol
< zebrah > XD
< Indeed > She deserved that
< Lunataur > o-o
< Lunataur > NUH UH
< Indeed > O RLY
< zebrah > wish
< zebrah > woah*
< Lunataur > <.< HEY
< Indeed > hey
< zebrah > Hi
< Indeed > Yo\
< zebrah > Sup!
< zebrah > Brb sending a PM to Louie
< Lunataur > I offically Dislike PercyLucid
< zebrah > Why?
< zebrah > Hey insideout
< insideout > Hello
< Lunataur > hes frickin lying to me
< zebrah > What did he say?
< Indeed > gh
< Lunataur > he just told me he didnt feel anything when he went to level 4 in WILD and then now hes saying he felt something
< Indeed > Abscense of evidence is evidence of abscense
< zebrah > Class will start soon I'm just having issues with Percy
< zebrah > is anyone having issues getting on DV?
< Lunataur > i hope not severe poroblems
< Lunataur > No.....
< zebrah > hmmm
< zebrah > Jesus my internet is slow
< zebrah > very sorry folks
< Lunataur > hmm?
< zebrah > My Internet is so slow
< Lunataur > tyt
< zebrah > ok one min to start
< insideout > mkay
< zebrah > Ok sooo
< zebrah > it's time to start
< Lunataur > ...
< Indeed > go away
< Indeed > or don't
< zebrah > Lol
< zebrah > Ok so today we are going to talk about techniques
< zebrah > Everyone state their favorite technique :)
< insideout > hard to say
< Indeed > CDFILD
< insideout > WILD, maybe?
< insideout > although it has stopped working for me this week...
< zebrah > CDFILD?
< Lunataur > Welll I dont have a fave technique
< Lunataur > since I can't achieve LDs anymore
< zebrah > Well
< Indeed > Cofidence and Dream Feeling Induced Lucid Dream
< zebrah > ok cool
< insideout > I like WILD when it works
< Indeed > CDFILD is 1337
< zebrah > basically we all know there are more ILD techniques than you can count
< zebrah > But they all fall under two categories
< zebrah > WILD and DILD
< zebrah > Does anyone disagree?
< Indeed > Speak now or forever hold your pee
< Indeed > peace
< insideout > no?
< zebrah > Ok
< zebrah > insideout: You don't need to stay
< insideout > :^(
< zebrah > Since you were here last week
< zebrah > you can if you want
< insideout > But I wanna.
< insideout > I won't give the answers away.
< zebrah > Lol ok
< zebrah > Anyway the DILD techniques fall under a category of techniques you do before sleep.
< zebrah > WILD techniques you do while going into a dream.
< zebrah > So FILD and DEILD count as a WILD
< Indeed > CDFILD as DILD
< zebrah > some choose to differentiate different techniques
< zebrah > some people just lump all dreams into the two main categories
< zebrah > Which do you all prefer
< zebrah > ?
< Indeed > Well, I want to WILD, but DILD based techniques work best
< zebrah > I mean do you prefer differentiating?
< Indeed > expand.
< Indeed > Don't quite inderstand
< insideout > WILD, when it works. I think I have better lucids when I wild
< insideout > Hm?
< zebrah > Ok sorry
< zebrah > I'm saying when you talk about dreams
< zebrah > Do you prefer differentiating DEILD from FILD
< zebrah > or are they all just WILD To you?
< Indeed > Yeah, but I don't think it's terribly important
< insideout > It's like they are more specific.
< zebrah > yeah
< zebrah > that's my thinking
< zebrah > Now as far as different techniques
< zebrah > You all know the ins and outs of DILD right?
< Indeed > yep
< zebrah > If you have any DILD related questions would be good now :)
< Indeed > ...
< Indeed > Is it just a form of concious hypnosis?
< Lunataur > ....
< zebrah > Lol bad sentence
< Indeed > bluh
< Indeed > Whatever
< zebrah > Indeed: It's more of a form of awareness
< zebrah > I mean my sentence was bad
< Indeed > hypnosis could be that as well
< zebrah > I suppose :)
< Indeed > hmm
< insideout > uh oh
< Indeed > GODS BE DAMNED
< Indeed > GODS BE PRAISED
< zebrah > Sorry I don't know what happened there
< zebrah > Lol
< insideout > wb
< zebrah > Well anyway
< zebrah > DILD is all about awareness.
< Indeed > but so is WILD
< zebrah > I covered the building blocks of DILD in lessons one and two
< insideout > yeah
< zebrah > WILD is about awareness at a very specific time
< insideout > oh
< zebrah > DILD is throughout the day
< zebrah > You see what I mean?
< Indeed > yes...
< insideout > yeah, I guess so.
< zebrah > With WILD how aware you were that day isn't important
< zebrah > It's only how aware you are while WILDing
< zebrah > So as far as WILD goes I'm not an expert
< Indeed > book smarts or street smarts?
< zebrah > I've only had three so don't think this is a perfect guide
< Indeed > Which do you have
< zebrah > Mostly book
< zebrah > Lol
< Indeed > me too
< Indeed > Insideout?
< insideout > hm?
< Indeed > Mind switching roles for a bit?
< insideout > I've had at least three also.
< insideout > whatcha mean?
< zebrah > Lol?
< insideout > And they were all last week
< zebrah > So with WILD there are some golden rules
< zebrah > 1 never before bed
< zebrah > 2 never with to many distractions
< Indeed > *Usually
< zebrah > 3 never be to concerned with moving a little bit or swallowing
< zebrah > I have tried to WILD before bed many many times
< zebrah > 50-100
< Indeed > hm?
< Indeed > 50-100?
< zebrah > and was able to WILD once for several seconds
< zebrah > 50-100 times
< insideout > questiony thing
< Indeed > Day-um
< zebrah > shoot
< insideout > Could WILDing before bed be like using a mantra, or something? I mean, work the same way?
< zebrah > Well a mantra would fall under DILD
< insideout > I mean... yeah...
< zebrah > There is no way to go straight to a dream
< zebrah > But yeah a mantra works :)
< insideout > it won't lead directly into a dream, but couldn't it lead to a DILD?
< zebrah > Yeah of course
< insideout > oh, ok.
< zebrah > Ok
< zebrah > so someone name another WILD technique
< zebrah > :)
< insideout > hm
< zebrah > Anyone
< insideout > Well, there are lots of WILD techniques that are basically just focusing on different things.
< zebrah > Well give me a popular technique
< insideout > the finger moving one?
< zebrah > Lol I'll help out
< zebrah > DEILD :)
< zebrah > I really like this technique
< insideout > oh right..
< zebrah > Do you see why this is a WILD varriant?
< zebrah > It's because you wake up from a dream
< zebrah > then preform a super quick WILD
< zebrah > There are a few ways to start A DILD
< zebrah > If you have time to DEILD in the morning you can do it after having a dream
< zebrah > or if you become lucid and the dream ends you can
< Indeed > I've done that before
< zebrah > Yeah it works well
< Indeed > at least two times
< Indeed > Damn well.
< insideout > I use to be able to chain LD this way
< zebrah > Yeah DEILD is a great technique
< zebrah > But it can be hard to remember to do
< zebrah > If you just focus on it before bed it gets easier
< Indeed > I use a slip of paper with 'LD' on my bedside table
< Indeed > works well :)
< zebrah > Are there any questions at all at this point.
< zebrah > That's a good idea :)
< Indeed > hm
< zebrah > Well XD
< zebrah > Does anyone have any techniques or methods they would like to share?
< Indeed > CDFILD?
< insideout > Just focusing on my breathing while falling asleep as worked for me.
< insideout > But it's also not worked several times...
< zebrah > explain CDFILD a little more
< zebrah > I'm interested
< Indeed > brb finding link
< Indeed > http://www.dreamviews.com/wiki/CDFIL...ed-Lucid-Dream
< zebrah > I see
< Indeed > In essence, you feel confident, and emulate the feeling of being in a dream
< Indeed > confident that you'll ld, of course
< insideout > neat
< zebrah > That is similar to Percy's style of MILD
< Indeed > I tried it twice
< Indeed > Worked the second time
< Indeed > :)
< zebrah > in the end lucid dreaming ins't the same for everyone
< zebrah > You need to find what works for you
< zebrah > Experiment
< Indeed > Experiment
< Indeed > Discover
< zebrah > You can read all you want but it comes down to your own actions
< Indeed > Find
< Indeed > Read
< Indeed > Know
< Indeed > Do
< Indeed > Be.
< zebrah > And on that note INTRO is over
< Indeed > Wha?
< Indeed > NO WAI
< insideout > hm
< zebrah > I will be PMing you your final exams soon
< Indeed > Do I win?
< zebrah > Yes
< Indeed > :3
< zebrah > you win 5 internets
< insideout > wow
< Indeed > WOOT
< zebrah > Lol
< zebrah > !createlog
Spoiler for Class #1:
Originally Posted by Zebrah
Our first class was yesterday. If you missed it it's no big deal. It was a shorter class because I had a lot of homework.
If you haven't made a work book please create one now. Go to the Intro sub forum and see how the others are made.
Each week I want you to put your favorite dream from that week in your journal. If you didn't recall anything please put up an old dream.
The home work for this class will be to read this tutorial on dream stabilization and write what you thought about it in your work book.
I have also included a chat log from last class. I've edited out some of the parts you don't need to read.
< zebrah > Welcome to INTRO-2*
< zebrah > I am your instructor zebrah *
< zebrah > Please do not post unless you have a reason*
< zebrah > When you have a question just post *QUESTION* and I'll get to you.*
< zebrah > We don't have a lot of students tonight so I'll be answering all of your questions I can.*
< zebrah > First of all how many of you have a dream journal on DV?*
< Telemachus > Me, I guess...*
< NoDaniel > Me, professor.*
< Indeed > Meep.*
< zebrah > Sweet*
< shadowmilo > Mmmm i guess*
< Telemachus > Not religiously updated though, I must say.*
< zebrah > This is really important*
< zebrah > It doesn't need to be online*
< zebrah > but dream journaling is super important*
< insideout > It worked!*
< zebrah > brb*
< zebrah > Ok insideout do you keep a DJ?*
< insideout > Yes. Online and a physical one.*
< zebrah > Ok good*
< zebrah > There is no short cut to dream recall unless you are a natural*
< zebrah > You can take pills eat certain foods and whatever else*
< zebrah > But there is no substitute for a dream journal*
< zebrah > Do you all understand that?*
< NoDaniel > Yes, professor*
< shadowmilo > Im a natural.*
< Indeed > ...*
< zebrah > Ok Shadowmilo that us cool*
< zebrah > Is**
< insideout > I don't have great recall. Mostly one dream a night, or just fragments.*
< zebrah > Any way if you quit journaling even if you cab recall 7 dreams a night your recall will fade*
< zebrah > Remembering anything is good*
< zebrah > Always write everything down*
< zebrah > Even if it was just a guess at the scenery*
< zebrah > or if it was day or night*
< zebrah > Something to get your brain focused on dreaming.*
< zebrah > We will wait for MAXX to join*
< Telemachus > *QUESTION**
< zebrah > Shoot tele*
< Telemachus > Ok, so if I write down "filler" events for parts of dreams that I'm not sure if I remember, is that ok?*
< shadowmilo > QUESTION*
< zebrah > Like make up events?*
< zebrah > Or make assumptions?*
< zebrah > Milo go after tele*
< Telemachus > No, base it off what I think may have happened, but am not sure*
< zebrah > No it's better that you make the dreams realistic*
< shadowmilo > What if you nly remember maybe, 4 small short sections, and nothing in between? what then?*
< Telemachus > Ok, thanks*
< zebrah > There is nothing wrong with a dream entry including gaps*
< zebrah > You just write them*
< NoDaniel > *QUESTION**
< zebrah > they don't need to be in order*
< zebrah > Go Daniel*
< shadowmilo > And we hsould be making this as detailed as possible?*
< zebrah > That is up to how much time you have and how much detail you remember*
< NoDaniel > As i told you before about the assignment, do u think its good to listen to music DURING class? that way i can get better at what i have to do?*
< NoDaniel > or should i listen to what u have to say?*
< zebrah > I mainly write the plot of dreams because when I read them back I remember the dream scene*
< zebrah > I don't really know*
< zebrah > Music is fine with me*
< NoDaniel > Oh okay..sry if it was a dumb question*
< zebrah > I like listening to music on tests*
< zebrah > it helps me focus*
< zebrah > If you can focus go for it *
< zebrah > And no question is dumb*
< Indeed > *THIN**
< Indeed > *THING**
< zebrah > What?*
< Indeed > I'll have to leave in about 15 minutes*
< Indeed > Well, maybe more*
< zebrah > That is fine*
< MAXX > are we discussing DJ's*
< zebrah > Yeah*
< zebrah > Have you all created a student work book?*
< MAXX > no*
< Telemachus > I have*
< insideout > I tend to write more in my real life dream journal than my online one.*
< insideout > Yes*
< NoDaniel > Yes, professor.*
< zebrah > If you haven't then go to the Intro sub forum of the DVA and make one*
< zebrah > Because you will have a weekly assignment*
< zebrah > As well as homework*
< zebrah > Not much but it will keep you on track*
< Indeed > awesome*
< Indeed > *QUESTION**
< zebrah > Every week pick your favorite dream you recalled that week and post it in your work book.*
< zebrah > Yes Indeed*
< Indeed > Could you PM us the assignments*
< zebrah > I can*
< Indeed > Wait, too late*
< zebrah > And will*
< Indeed > Good.*
< zebrah > I'll PM everything so people don't miss out.*
< zebrah > So who here hasn't had a lucid dream?*
< zebrah > Anyone?*
< MAXX > I have not*
< Indeed > Alright.*
< zebrah > I see*
< NoDaniel > No*
< NoDaniel > i haven't*
< zebrah > This class should help a lot*
< insideout > I've had a recent increase in lucid dreams.*
< zebrah > But believe it or not most people give up after they have had a couple lucid dreams.*
< zebrah > Can anyone guess why?*
< Indeed > Too much work?*
< insideout > Frustration?*
< Indeed > NO CONTROL*
< Indeed > That's got to be it.*
< shadowmilo > Loss of sleep*
< Telemachus > Lack of patience*
< shadowmilo > no motivation*
< zebrah > Telemachus got it*
< Indeed > hm...*
< shadowmilo > Yeah was abotu to say that*
< insideout > ah*
< shadowmilo > i got none *
< zebrah > Lucid dreaming isn't like an xbox that you can just turn on and use*
< zebrah > You need to work at it*
< zebrah > And after you have a few short lucids with no control you can get pissed*
< zebrah > Maybe lazy*
< zebrah > only write bullet points in your DJ*
< zebrah > then you write less*
< zebrah > and less*
< zebrah > and then just stop*
< insideout > *
< Indeed > Soo... like a pencil that needs sharpening very often?*
< zebrah > Sure *
< Indeed > But when it's sharp, you can write or draw anything...*
< zebrah > Just realize lucidity takes work*
< zebrah > If you aren't willing to try then there isn't a pout*
< zebrah > point**
< zebrah > But if you work at it, it becomes easier*
< zebrah > So all of you have been registered since last year correct?*
< shadowmilo > Yeah about a year.*
< Telemachus > Barely *
< Indeed > About to be a whole year on DV, for me*
< MAXX > just joined this past month*
< zebrah > Ok MAXX *
< insideout > Sept, I think, last year.*
< zebrah > Do you know all the terms and what not*
< NoDaniel > No, last week*
< zebrah > Like DILD and RX*
< zebrah > RC**
< NoDaniel > Ya, pretty much.*
< MAXX > RX?*
< NoDaniel > He means Rc*
< zebrah > Because if you haven't checked it out the wiki has all the terms*
< Telemachus > You had me confused there for a sec zebrah *
< NoDaniel > Reality Checks*
< zebrah > lol*
< insideout > Keeping us on our toes.*
< zebrah > Just be wary of the user tutorials section of the wiki*
< zebrah > There are some sub par articles in there.*
< zebrah > Now who has lucid goals? Name your number one goal.*
< Indeed > Time manipulation*
< shadowmilo > one?*
< MAXX > Control*
< insideout > Number one current goal, or all time goal?*
< zebrah > Shadowmilo: you most desired*
< shadowmilo > Cant narrow it down.*
< Telemachus > Visit a concert!!*
< zebrah > Ok name a few lol*
< zebrah > Indeed: Time manipulation is very cool*
< shadowmilo > Fire control, Speak to Dream Guide, and ofc sex. Fo Sho.*
< insideout > General: control. Specific: Meet disired characters*
< Indeed > Zebrah: I've been playing Braid. *
< NoDaniel > Just becoming lucid*
< zebrah > Lol*
< zebrah > Your goals are all very cool*
< zebrah > but don't go rushing into them as soon as you become lucid*
< zebrah > You need to take it easy*
< zebrah > Because you will get excited and what not*
< zebrah > Stability in dreams is important*
< MAXX > as far as work book assig. what if I'm blank for a week?*
< zebrah > Hey Misigno12*
< Misigno12 > Hi*
< zebrah > Post an old dream*
< Misigno12 > From how long ago?*
< zebrah > I'll be PMing you some dream stabilization tutorials to read*
< Misigno12 > thanks!*
< zebrah > Misigno12: this is a homework assignment*
< Misigno12 > ok*
< zebrah > I'll PM you all the assignment*
< insideout > I need to learn stabilization.*
< zebrah > Yeah it is very important*
< insideout > Often I forget to stabilize the dream.*
< NoDaniel > ssshh*
< zebrah > Now the last big point I need to cover is reality checking*
< zebrah > If you have a reality check please post it.*
< Telemachus > Nose plug*
< MAXX > light switch*
< Indeed > I like to see if my nose is there*
< NoDaniel > hand though other hand*
< zebrah > Nose plug is a great one*
< Indeed > out of the corner of my eye*
< zebrah > Hand is good*
< Indeed > and finger count*
< MAXX > reading same 2 X's*
< insideout > nose pinch.*
< zebrah > Intereting RC indeed*
< zebrah > Maxx there is a problem with your RC sadly*
< Indeed > It works. *
< zebrah > How can you mess with a light if you are in a forest?*
< Misigno12 > External forces and instantly becoming lucid*
< MAXX > good point*
< zebrah > You need a RC you can use anywhere*
< Misigno12 > I tend to study my surrondings*
< zebrah > What I want all of you to do is start reality checking more often*
< zebrah > Good one Misigno12*
< Misigno12 > yeah*
< zebrah > but what happens in dreams? I call it dream logic.*
< zebrah > Here is something that happened to me*
< zebrah > Why is there a red cow? How duh it's winter*
< zebrah > Oh**
< zebrah > In my dream that made sense*
< shadowmilo > i poke my tongue through the roof of my mouth, works when WILDing too*
< Indeed > Dreams make you derpy.*
< NoDaniel > sssh*
< zebrah > So you might want to add a physical reality check to the observation one*
< zebrah > It's ok Daniel*
< Misigno12 > ahhh*
< NoDaniel > -_-*
< zebrah > Small class so I can handle it *
< Indeed > Shuts down most of the logic centers of the brain while you're sleeping.*
< zebrah > Yeah*
< Misigno12 > I actually have just yelled out in dreams "this is a dream"*
< Indeed > !brb*
< zebrah > Lol*
< Misigno12 > It worked*
< zebrah > Sweet*
< Misigno12 > I forgot to anchor so it lasted like 3 seconds*
< zebrah > That is ok*
< zebrah > any lucid is a step in the right direction*
< Indeed|BRB > I'm out guys*
< Indeed|BRB > bai*
< Misigno12 > My biggest problem is remembering lucid dreams..I know they happen but I cannot remember what it felt like to be in the dream like how realistic it was...*
< NoDaniel > It happens to everybody*
< Misigno12 > However I did solve my problem of death waking me up*
< zebrah > I will be PMing you all the class chat log and the homework assignments tonight or tomorrow so check your PM box*
< NoDaniel > It's because or REM cycles*
< zebrah > Misigno12: always dream journal*
< Telemachus > Lucids are the ONLY dreams I can remember in perfect detail. *
< zebrah > That is all the basic stuff I wanted to cover in this class.*
< zebrah > Next class will be much longer*
< zebrah > So if anyone has questions or comments post then*
< zebrah > them**
< Misigno12 > If you knowing you are going to die think "I will respawn over there" it usually works....considering I took a sledgehammer to the head...*
< Telemachus > What would be the best strategy to compliment the work from this class with the MILD class?*
< NoDaniel > Thats it...i only got 4 notes O_o*
< zebrah > Well I'll be teaching a lot of stuff related to awareness and DILD*
< zebrah > NoDaniel: I don't have a lot of time tonight*
< zebrah > so I need to cut the class a bit.*
< NoDaniel > lol*
< shadowmilo > Tele, use your dream journal in conjunction with percy's online journal.*
< zebrah > If you are enrolled in MILD you can PM me and percy saying you want a joint work book.*
< zebrah > Just use the MILD one*
< shadowmilo > Write what you want to do down, focus it, and then write what really happened in it.*
< zebrah > And I'll subscribe to it*
< Telemachus > Will do zebrah, thanks*
< zebrah > Ok cool*
< NoDaniel > Ill just use my MILD and say its for INTRO*
< zebrah > Next week we get big into techniques*
< zebrah > which are the interesting part*
< zebrah > Yeah do that*
< NoDaniel > What time is next class?*
< NoDaniel > And what day?*
< zebrah > Same time same day*
< NoDaniel > kewl*
< zebrah > Yeah*
< zebrah > Any more questions?*
< Misigno12 > What would you consider good dream remembering?*
< zebrah > Recalling anything*
< Misigno12 > Ok*
< zebrah > Anything is good and a step in the right direction*
< Misigno12 > Thanks*
< zebrah > *
< insideout > You want us to write our dreams in our notebook, right?*
< insideout > every day?*
< insideout > workbook, I mean*
< NoDaniel > in a dream journal*
< zebrah > You don't need to*
< NoDaniel > or in your online dream journal*
< zebrah > If you keep an online DJ do that*
< Telemachus > Just the best dream, eh?*
< insideout > Well, I'll be using my online dj anyway.*
< zebrah > Yeah*
< zebrah > Good *
< Misigno12 > I dont have much time in the morning so I will pen in mine then type it in later*
< NoDaniel > Well, bye everyone*
< Misigno12 > Bye!**
< zebrah > bye*
< MAXX > C Ya*
< NoDaniel > Have success in lucid dreaming =D*
< zebrah > Cool*
< zebrah > you are all free to go if you don't have any questions*
< Telemachus > Thanks for your time zebrah, I enjoyed the class
< zebrah > Yes
< zebrah > Cool next week will be more fun
< Misigno12 > Would a WBTB help and if so what should I do?
< insideout > Thanks zebrah. I look forward to next week's class.
< zebrah > Misigno12: I'll be covering those later
< zebrah > Cool inside
< Misigno12 > Okk
< Misigno12 > thanks
< zebrah >
Spoiler for Class #2:< zebrah > Welcome to INTRO-2
< zebrah > I am your zebra for the evening
< insideout > :^)
< zebrah > How are you all?
< Indeed > HEAD RIPPINGLY MAD
< Indeed > Other than that, I'm fine.
< insideout > Well, I'm pretty good.
< zebrah > I see
< zebrah > Cool Telemachus we are staring.
< Indeed > Only three guys?
< Telemachus >
< zebrah > So today we are going to be going over the building blocks of lucid dreaming.
< zebrah > What do you all think the biggest key to lucid dreaming is?
< Telemachus > Patience
< Indeed > A level head.
< Indeed > repetition
< zebrah > Good answers but no.
< insideout > confidence?
< insideout > no... that's not it
< Indeed > Hm.
< zebrah > It's ok
< Telemachus > Awareness?
< zebrah > Dream Journaling is the key
< zebrah > The most basic key
< insideout > darn, I should have said that.
< Indeed > Hm.
< Indeed > Duh.
< zebrah > Because if you can't remember dreams without it
< zebrah > Whoops bad sentence
< zebrah > Buy anyway
< zebrah > never underestimate dream journaling
< Indeed > What if we don't remember to begin with?
< Indeed > QUESTION
< zebrah > K
< zebrah > Like if you don't remember dreams at all
< zebrah > hi Daniel
< NoDaniel > Hi, professor.
< zebrah >
< zebrah > call me Dr. Zebra
< Indeed > Yes
< Indeed > Dr. Zebra PHD MD AWESOME
< zebrah > Ok if you don't remember dreams at all things can get trickier
< NoDaniel > (has class started)
< Indeed > Continue...
< zebrah > What you can do is record how you felt after waking up
< zebrah > yeah
< Indeed > But I remember nothing!
< zebrah > Or any fragments you have
< Indeed > NOTHING!
< zebrah > Not even feelings?
< Indeed > No...
< zebrah > like maybe your wake up happy
< zebrah > Or sad
< zebrah > or excited
< zebrah > You can record those
< Indeed > I don't, really
< Indeed >
< zebrah > How much sleep do you get?
< zebrah > Like on school nights?
< Indeed > 7 1/2 hrs
< zebrah > Ok I would try sleeping more
< Indeed > Well, this isn't helping.
< zebrah > manage your time so you can go to be half an hour to an hour earlier
< zebrah > Why couldn't you fall asleep earlier?
< Telemachus > Maybe try waking up at a different time so that you wake up in the middle of REM, that's worked for me.
< zebrah > That's a good idea
< Indeed > It's 8:00 PM now
< insideout > How quickly do you get out of bed after waking?
< zebrah > But if he has no recall it won't help
< Indeed > Imediatly
< zebrah > Well not tonight indeed
< Indeed >
< zebrah > Yeah getting up quickly hurts recall
< Indeed > Alright, continue with the lesson.
< zebrah > If you can get up slowly while thinking about your dreams your recall will improve
< Indeed > !brb
< zebrah > Also take naps if you can
< zebrah > More sleep = more dreams
< zebrah > But anyway
< zebrah > When journaling it is important to record as much information as you can
< zebrah > I don't always do this but when I do my lucid frequency goes way up
< Indeed|BRB > !brb
< Indeed|BRB > !here
< zebrah > the more effort the more lucid dreams
< zebrah > Do any of you read your old dreams?
< zebrah > or think back on them!
< Indeed > I do, every now and then
< zebrah > ?*
< Indeed > Bout once a month, on average
< Indeed > Dont know why...
< NoDaniel > Sometimes...not a lot... same as indeed d:
< Telemachus > Yes, frequently
< zebrah > Good tele
< Telemachus > Only my favourites
< insideout > Yeah, I do, sometimes
< zebrah > Reading old dreams is important
< zebrah > even ones that you didn't like.
< zebrah > Because you want to search for dream signs
< zebrah > Dream signs are things that appear frequently in your dreams
< zebrah > Like people, places, themes
< zebrah > If you can read dreams from the past week you can find these themes
< zebrah > like trains have been a theme or me lately
< zebrah > for*
< Indeed > For me, for some reason, it's insults.
< Indeed > lately
< zebrah > When you find dream signs it's good to keep a list
< zebrah > Cool indeed
< zebrah > Let's see if anyone else has learned any of their dream signs.
< zebrah > Anyone?
< insideout > My old childhood homes... stressful situations.
< zebrah > I see
< insideout > I have lots of nightmares.
< Telemachus > This one girl from school who I don't really know or talk to...
< NoDaniel > Mine might be ppl i know.
< zebrah > Ok good
< zebrah > you are all on the right track
< zebrah > Any time you experience a dream sign you need to reality check
< zebrah > and think about why
< zebrah > because this could be a dream
< zebrah > and thinking on the themes makes them appear more
< Indeed > which makes you rc more
< zebrah > Dream signs are caused by the "bleed through effect" And not the kind in printing.
< Indeed > making more LDs?
< zebrah > But stuff from your life making it intodreams
< zebrah > yes indeed
< zebrah > exactly
< zebrah > lol yes indeed
< zebrah > Anyway
< Telemachus > This is what Percy calls Daily Residue?
< zebrah > Yeah
< zebrah > there are different terms for it
< zebrah > I like daily residue more
< zebrah > Sounds kind of slimy
< zebrah > But anyway finding dream signs is very important for DILD
< zebrah > And dream journaling is very important for any technique
< zebrah > To be honest I should do more of what I teach XD
< zebrah > so do as I say not as I do
< insideout > Yessir Dr. Z
< zebrah > Because when I do this I become lucid quite often
< zebrah > I like that
< zebrah > I'm like the doctor that smokes cigarettes
< insideout > heh
< zebrah > But yeah if you have time constraints like work or school you need to block out time for lucidity
< zebrah > this means doing homework and what not earlier so you can go to bed earlier and wake up earlier
< zebrah > Which can be hard but isn't impossible
< NoDaniel > (damn D
< Indeed >
< zebrah > In the end it's you who need to enforce this
< zebrah > I can't really teach you this
< zebrah > It's up to you
< zebrah > If you want to become lucid you will do it
< zebrah > Any questions thus far?
< Indeed > *sigh* Yes, master.
< zebrah > Doctor will be fine
< zebrah > master is creepy
< zebrah > Ok
< NoDaniel > (Professor?=3)
< zebrah > during the day you experience things
< zebrah > and observe things
< zebrah > some of these are bound to make it into your dreams
< zebrah > It just happens
< zebrah > that's usually the cause of dream signs.
< NoDaniel > OH
< zebrah > I saw an old train and had dreams relating to trains
< zebrah > even though I just glanced at it
< zebrah > I'm actually working on a theory about daily residue
< zebrah > that I should be posting about in research soon.
< zebrah > So look out for that )
< zebrah >
< insideout > 'k
< zebrah > Does that answer your question good sir?
< Indeed > I'll add my insights, too
< zebrah > Go for it
< NoDaniel > yes sir
< Indeed > When said post is made
< Indeed > Oh, you made us read the stability tut?
< zebrah > Yeah
< insideout > I did one of the stability techniques in a lucid last night.
< zebrah > really
< zebrah > How did it work for you
< insideout > I examined my hands
< insideout > a few times throughout the dream. it seemed to last a bit longer than usual.
< zebrah > That's great
< zebrah > stabilization is important
< zebrah > but in the end you will learn what works for you
< zebrah > Onward
< zebrah > So awareness if very important for the DILD technique
< zebrah > but helps everything
< zebrah > Reality checking will really help with this
< zebrah > are you all regularly reality checking?
< insideout > fairly regularly
< Indeed > I try, but I don't want to overdo it
< Telemachus > 'bout 10 times a day
< zebrah > You can't overdo it the right way
< zebrah > When you RC always focus on why you are doing it
< NoDaniel > Yes, but there are rarely any yellow cars, so i do about 2 a day, but i am constantly alert
< zebrah > if you do 1000 a hour but aren't aware it won't help
< zebrah > That's good but the yellow cars are just something to add on top of other checks
< zebrah > what Daniel is talking about is something called a trigger
< zebrah > What you do is pick something like a bird or color of car
< zebrah > and reality check whenever you see it
< zebrah > This makes you stay aware because you are always looking for it
< zebrah > I really recommend doing that.
< NoDaniel > MAY i share a story?
< Indeed > Hm..
< NoDaniel > about triggers?
< zebrah > Go for it
< zebrah > insideout = model student of the night
< NoDaniel > When i was having a yard sale, i wasn't thinking of Rcing, or lucid dreaming for that matter
< zebrah > ok?
< NoDaniel > but then, a YELLOW...YELLOW!! YELOOWW!!!! truck stops at my yard sale, and all of a sudden, i do a RC automatically
< Indeed > Let him type, Zebrah
< NoDaniel > so... im just sharing at how much it helps me to do a RC
< zebrah > That is good Daniel
< NoDaniel > and be alert for the rest of the day
< zebrah > It gets you to do a RC
< Indeed > I hear insults all day
< zebrah > Lol
< Indeed > Never thought I'd be happy about that...
< zebrah > Triggers are really just a replacement for dreamsigns
< zebrah > when you don't have any
< zebrah > or want to add another level of awareness
< zebrah > Very good
< zebrah > Well what else was I going to talk about..
< zebrah > Ahh dream goals
< zebrah > If you are in MILD this was already covered
< zebrah > but anyway
< zebrah > Do any of you have things you want to accomplish in lucid dreams?
< Indeed > Yeas.
< zebrah > Don't be embarrassed
< zebrah >
< zebrah > List em
< insideout > yes
< insideout > right now?
< zebrah > Sure
< zebrah > Keep it at a max of 5 goals
< Indeed > TIME MANIPULATION
< Indeed > Big thing, up there in lights
< zebrah > You time lord you
< Telemachus > Taste water from a cold dream stream
< NoDaniel > Fly, swim, time manipulation, meet a town and kill everyone =D
< insideout > 1) I want to get better at meetings specific dream characters, Like my DG and other.
< zebrah > Sweet cool goals
< zebrah > Personally I want to do the tasks of the month for this month
< insideout > 2) create a world that I can return to at any time
< zebrah > so when I RC and before bed I think of them
< zebrah > insideout: The world is always there
< zebrah > it just shifts
< insideout > Hm?
< zebrah > The dream plane is an interesting thing
< zebrah > you have total control
< insideout > I mean, create personal locations.
< zebrah > Yeah
< Indeed > Same thing
< zebrah > I understand )
< insideout > I have not had good control though
< zebrah > That's the thing
< zebrah > dream control tutorials exist
< insideout > I'll look into those.
< zebrah > Purely because of the constraints we place upon ourselves
< Indeed > When I need help for dream control, I look to Nike
< zebrah > In reality it's just your mind holding you back
< Indeed > 'Just Do It'
< zebrah > Lol
< zebrah > good motto
< Indeed > Works, too
< insideout > My mind is stubborn
< zebrah > Yeah it happens
< zebrah > Lucid dreaming can be hard
< Indeed > No it can't, that's your perception
< Indeed > It's all in your head.
< zebrah > When lucid dreaming don't lose sight of how fun non lucids are
< zebrah > Yes it's hard because of your head
< zebrah > same thing
< zebrah > I had a dream last night I got into a brief gun fight
< zebrah > I woke up even though I wasn't lucid and recalled how fun it was
< zebrah > Just because you aren't lucid doesn't mean you failed
< zebrah > every dream recalled is a step in the right direction
< zebrah > and that's the thing about lucid dreaming
< insideout > That's the best attitude
< zebrah > you aren't going to get instant gratification
< zebrah > it isn't a computer or xbox
< zebrah > you need to work at it
< zebrah > and any musician will know that
< Indeed > He's right.
< zebrah > practice makes perfect
< zebrah > Or at least better
< zebrah > and some times it comes in bursts
< zebrah > Like you may work on a song and can't get it.
< zebrah > But you practice and come back a week later and nail it
< zebrah > Even though you weren't doing the best thing
< zebrah > the fundamentals helped you
< zebrah > Even after lots of work
< zebrah > So always keep that in mind
< zebrah > And that ends what I wanted to talk about
< NoDaniel > o-o
< zebrah > Any questions? or comments?
< NoDaniel > I haz a comment
< zebrah > or we can just chat
< zebrah > Shoot
< Indeed > Damn, 20 mins to go?
< Indeed > You are the best!
< zebrah > till?
< NoDaniel > DO TRIGGERS ALL YOU DUMB MUTHA TRUCKERS THAT DONT HAVE ANY!!! tahts all =3
< zebrah > Bed?
< Telemachus > the witching hour
< zebrah > Yeah triggers and dream signs are good
< insideout > I will try to do better with triggers.
< NoDaniel > >
< zebrah >
< Indeed > What our homework be?
< zebrah > As fat as homework
< zebrah > Lol mind link
< zebrah > Post another dream like last week
< Indeed > Woah.
< zebrah > and read your old DJ posts
< zebrah > Or dreams
< zebrah > what ever way you do it
< zebrah > Then make a list of 3 possible dream signs
< zebrah > post your three signs and anything you found interesting while reading your journal.
< zebrah > I'll be sending a PM out as well after class.
< insideout > alrighty
< zebrah > Next class will be focused on techniques
< zebrah > I may change the syllabus to combine classes three and four
< zebrah > then create a new class four
< zebrah > I'll PM if I do that
< Indeed > Zebrah, why do you always seem to use either me or yoursself as an example?
< zebrah > Lol just because I make a good example
< zebrah > and music was a good one
< Indeed > 'Twas
< zebrah > lol
< zebrah > 'Twas
< Indeed > Woah.
< zebrah > Woah.
< zebrah > Midnight
< Indeed > Not here
< zebrah > About what?
< zebrah > Lol nothing can live here!
< insideout > Whatever you two are talking about.
< zebrah > Dr. Who references anyone?
< Indeed > YEs
< Indeed > YES
< zebrah > Lol
< Indeed > YES
< insideout > I haven't seen it, sorry.
< Indeed > I called someone a TURDIS today...
< Indeed > BAHAHA
< Indeed > Oh, sorry.
< zebrah > insideout: You fail the class
< zebrah > Sorry
< insideout >
< zebrah > I'm jk
< zebrah > Dr who is a great show
< zebrah > if you have net flix you can watch it instantly
< insideout > I've seen maybe one episode
< zebrah > It's on the BBc
< insideout > Yeah, that's where I saw it
< zebrah > Yeah
< Indeed > Bad Bruising Company
< zebrah >
< zebrah > !createlog
