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    Thread: Anyone remember skyrim's Radiant Storytelling?

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      Anyone remember skyrim's Radiant Storytelling?

      It's been more than a year now since skyrim has been released and what do you guys think of it?
      At first sight it is a good game and seems to make improvements over oblivion and morrowind in every aspect, but the more I play it, the more I am required to completely mod the game into something decent .
      What ever happened to all those promises by todd?
      The game eventually logs a huge storehouse of knowledge about how you've played, and subsequently tailors content to your capabilities and experiences. Entering a city, a young woman might approach you and beg you to save her daughter from kidnappers. The game will look at the nearby dungeons you've explored, automatically set the mission in a place you've never visited, and designate opponents that are appropriately matched to your strengths and weaknesses.
      If this is actually implemented it's goddamn hard to notice.

      As you perform tasks for them or terrorize them by ransacking their home, the NPCs develop feelings about you.
      Feelings are hard to express when they only have 3 lines of dialogue!

      the Radiant Story system helps randomize and relate the side quests to players to make the experience as dynamic and reactive as possible.
      Yet, bethesda decided to remove the quest journal, because following an arrow is cetrainly dynamic

      Some NPCs will even agree to be your companion to help you out in specific situations.
      How is that radiant, the companions are set.

      To make it worse they created everything that was missing from skyrim in one week and are now slowly selling it us through DLCs

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      More seriously though, check out this demo for the Radiant AI. The demo is for Oblivion.



      Looks amazing. Turned out to be bullshit.
      Don't get me wrong, I love Bethesda and everything they make, but never ever expect them to make good AI or games without tons of bugs and silly glitches.

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      If I had known about that I doubt I would have enjoyed oblivion as much as I did! The only things characters in oblivion could do was sleep or idly stand around and practise marksman skill every now and then.

      So much lies, and yet skyrim still has like 99/100 reviews...it makes no sense.

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      Love All Elder Scrolls, but I said it before, its been dumbed down severely. They got Rid of so much, and hardly added anything of great value. Makes me sad that they got rid of this to appeal to a more mass audience.

      My Opinion is DLC ruined Games. I think back to DLC in Morrowind, and it didn't really add stuff that felt like it should have been there to begin with, It just added more to do for those that did everything in Morrowind already.

      I first noticed DLC containing things that should have been in the story when Dragon Age Orgins DLC came out and it basically finished stories that should have been finished in the game originally, and I assumed would be resolved in full Sequels. Guess I'll never know what Morrigan did with my child since I refuse to pay extra money for it.

      Anyways Kinda got off topic, I think the story telling in Skyrim is pretty.... Linear with no real options or effects or consequences for you actions, I don't think that people really take offense if you rob them, or are gonna be willing to help you if you help them, Actually Oblivion had a better way of showing how people liked you, even though it was too easy to influence... They should work on NPCs having different willpower, maybe more biasses based on what you've done, where, what you are. actually they really should.

      I want to walk into the Winterhold College and them to be like hey aren't you with the Companions, and then test me harder because they are biased against me and don't think that I will be able to make it as a mage, I want the Jarls to make me do more tasks to become thain if I'm a known criminal.


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      Quote Originally Posted by dutchraptor View Post
      So much lies, and yet skyrim still has like 99/100 reviews...it makes no sense.
      Because Skyrim was dumbed down so much it opened it to alot more gamers, most the people that I over hear talking about Skyrim I'll ask them about Morrowind, and 4/5 they won't even know what it is, in fact I've had people get mad at me and tell me that Skyrim is the first game.... which means they didn't even play Oblivion.


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      Quote Originally Posted by ZeraCook View Post
      Because Skyrim was dumbed down so much it opened it to alot more gamers, most the people that I over hear talking about Skyrim I'll ask them about Morrowind, and 4/5 they won't even know what it is, in fact I've had people get mad at me and tell me that Skyrim is the first game.... which means they didn't even play Oblivion.
      I know that feel alright , I defintely thought that the skyrim was linear in most aspects. None of the guild quests result in much and the gaurds don't even recognize your position.
      What is worse is that I downloaded a mod which unlocks the phrases which were added by bethesda and are even in the game but where never scripted a function. Now when I walk past a gaurd it's not "wo wo wo, calm down citizen" it "welcome thane" "have a nice day, dragonborn" "legate". I mean how could you keep almost 100 lines of dialogue out that make the game awesome??
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      I played both Oblivion and Skyrim (haven't completed the main quests in either of them though since I get distracted too easily) but the NPCs are kind of a downside. I usually stealth and even though started out as funny when I shoot someone with an arrow and they go "is anyone there?" it's not really realistic. Still very nice to explore and I still enjoy it since I usually insert my own dialogue with NPCs anyway. I do like that Bethesda does allow people to mess around with the games (a lot of companies freak out when games get modified) but sometimes if feel that those modders are kind of compensating for various weakness so Bethesda does nothing. For example I recently got an awesome deal on a 3d gaming laptop and went to play skyrim and bam the 3d sucks. Apparently an update made it so the 3d shadowing is horrible in skyrim and it has been like that for quite a while. A modder was able to fix it so the 3d is awesome but Bethesda still haven't fixed it themselves which isn't really good because the mod is actually a bit of a pain to implement (it's not in steam workshop so you can't just download it you have to play around with the files which I can see some people are unwilling to do). I think it might be more due to the fact that I heard they didn't want Skyrim played in 3d so that's why they don't care about fixing it, but still.
      Still, I love the open world and its graphical awesomeness. Making the dungeons and castles look more different would have been nice too.

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      I understand, Personally I wish they would have just added more immersive gameplay elements, sure they are aiming at 14 year olds who only want to hack and slash but some simple features like a more expensive price pack and better levelled lists would have only taken them a day or two to make when a whole team is working on it.
      I sure am happy that the nexus community is pumping out s much quality mods.

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      I found your problem.

      Right here.

      You can't let yourself get sucked into game hype and the promises that either Peter Molyneux or Pete Hines makes. They're both cool guys, and they have tongues of silk and honey, but they always promise too much.

      You'd do well to remember that.
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      I love bethesda games, Anyways anyone sign up for the Elder Scrolls Online Beta?


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      Quote Originally Posted by dutchraptor View Post
      What is worse is that I downloaded a mod which unlocks the phrases which were added by bethesda and are even in the game but where never scripted a function. Now when I walk past a gaurd it's not "wo wo wo, calm down citizen" it "welcome thane" "have a nice day, dragonborn" "legate". I mean how could you keep almost 100 lines of dialogue out that make the game awesome??
      Thanks ! Downloading it right now. I had no idea something like that existed.
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      I just got Morrowind a little while ago. Anyone got any protips?
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      Quote Originally Posted by SnowyCat View Post
      I just got Morrowind a little while ago. Anyone got any protips?
      Not so much pro tips as just general things to look out for.
      Always make sure you don't accidentally steal anything, there is no indicator and it can get quite annoying after a while
      make sure to save like a maniac, you will probably frequently die.
      Listen really carefully to what people say and try to take a few quests at a time, it aint like skyrim where you start everything and it doesn't matter, it gets cluttered really fast.
      Enjoy the rolepplaying I've seen too many people try get into the game but play it like oblivion or skyrim, you have to appreciate the role playing nature and try to immerse yourself for a good experience.

      Lastly don't be scared to take risks, my most enjoyable play throughs were the ones were I did things I was at first weary about because I thought I would become weaker by not following the options which corresponded to my stronger points i.e if you wanna be a spear assassin, just go for it
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      Quote Originally Posted by dutchraptor View Post
      Enjoy the rolepplaying I've seen too many people try get into the game but play it like oblivion or skyrim, you have to appreciate the role playing nature and try to immerse yourself for a good experience.

      Lastly don't be scared to take risks, my most enjoyable play throughs were the ones were I did things I was at first weary about because I thought I would become weaker by not following the options which corresponded to my stronger points i.e if you wanna be a spear assassin, just go for it
      Actually, even in skyrim and oblivion, roleplaying improves the gaming experience thousandfold. At first, I played Skyrim like "FAST RUN!! Collect everything kill everyone!!!" ... Well, the story kinda kept me going, but I could never force myself to do another playthrough with another character, cos there is really no difference. But then I tried a different approach, downloaded a ton of mods (G.E.M.S.), set difficulty to master and decided to try not to become a demigod as fast as possible, but just earn everything the hard way and make everything a real challenge (Oh the beautiful times of Gothic...). I don't go for the best char build possible, just try and learn different things. Some archery perks, then a few of destruction, Two handed, whatever interests me at the time and how I thing the character could develop. I must say it is better than the first playthrough BY FAR. (Mods randomly shutting down my PC is another thing, though... )
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      Quote Originally Posted by BjStrife View Post
      Actually, even in skyrim and oblivion, roleplaying improves the gaming experience thousandfold. At first, I played Skyrim like "FAST RUN!! Collect everything kill everyone!!!" ... Well, the story kinda kept me going, but I could never force myself to do another playthrough with another character, cos there is really no difference. But then I tried a different approach, downloaded a ton of mods (G.E.M.S.), set difficulty to master and decided to try not to become a demigod as fast as possible, but just earn everything the hard way and make everything a real challenge (Oh the beautiful times of Gothic...). I don't go for the best char build possible, just try and learn different things. Some archery perks, then a few of destruction, Two handed, whatever interests me at the time and how I thing the character could develop. I must say it is better than the first playthrough BY FAR. (Mods randomly shutting down my PC is another thing, though... )
      I totally agree, I meant that there is no way not to roleplay in morrowind, you can try but you will ultimately fail, while the possibility to just skip it all is there in oblivion and skyrim. I can't even play unmodded skyrim because I earn money to fast, I usually instal a tonne of mods and then write up a background story for myself. I'm playing through fallout with the mod fallout wanderers edition, it is really epic and makes the game alot harder, I'm almost 5 hours into the game and I still haven't found a bed I can pay for.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dutchraptor View Post
      I totally agree, I meant that there is no way not to roleplay in morrowind, you can try but you will ultimately fail, while the possibility to just skip it all is there in oblivion and skyrim. I can't even play unmodded skyrim because I earn money to fast, I usually instal a tonne of mods and then write up a background story for myself. I'm playing through fallout with the mod fallout wanderers edition, it is really epic and makes the game alot harder, I'm almost 5 hours into the game and I still haven't found a bed I can pay for.
      Yeah, it's amazing when you have to walk everywhere, really explore, no fast travel at all. Also I have mods that force me to eat, drink, bathe, rest, spend actual time reading, etc. I never loot any equipment from corpses, I either forge or buy everything. Often I'm having a hard time even to get something to eat and not starve to death. Highest amount of gold I had so far was like 800, but mostly I barely have 100 septims or so. I've installed a mod that removes the "essential" characters, so everyone is mortal. So when I'm doing a quest and some of the key characters die - tough luck then. Some would consider it game breaking, but for me it actually makes the game a lot better. Just like it was in Morrowind. I've also added mods like adventurers and travellers, so the world truly feels alive when you keep meeting random people wandering outside the cities. It's a completely different experience. Sad thing is that I really liked the "Scenic Carriages" mod, which is now broken and the creator abandoned it..

      It is a really strange contrast to my first character that has the biggest house possible in hearthfire and still has about 300 k gold + another million worth of loot stored in his chests .
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      Quote Originally Posted by dutchraptor View Post
      Enjoy the rolepplaying I've seen too many people try get into the game but play it like oblivion or skyrim, you have to appreciate the role playing nature and try to immerse yourself for a good experience.
      I could not agree with you more, I've already started a new character because I didn't like how I was progressing in the game. One thing I love about TES games is that you always start off as a prisoner without a detailed explanation of why; it's really half the fun to make up your own story about your character's life and behave how you feel the character actually would. That's why I was never able to get into the newer Fallout games (3 and New Vegas); they give too much information about who the lead character is and what his motives are. Those are the kinds of things I like to create for myself!
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      Quote Originally Posted by SnowyCat View Post
      One thing I love about TES games is that you always start off as a prisoner without a detailed explanation of why; it's really half the fun to make up your own story about your character's life and behave how you feel the character actually would. That's why I was never able to get into the newer Fallout games (3 and New Vegas); they give too much information about who the lead character is and what his motives are. Those are the kinds of things I like to create for myself!
      Well, sometimes it is not a bad thing. Imagine Final Fantasy VII or Planescape Torment without the backstory. Another thing is when the story is shallow - like the aforementioned Fallout. But even being able to play a game the way you want instead of having to follow the predesigned path all the time shows how great the game is . I hope there are going to be many more games like this released in the future, even though there is a lot of dumbing down happening nowadays.
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      Funny you mention final fantasy because what made 7 and 8 so good for me is that while the story is largely made up so much is still left to the imagination and I didn't really have that with the newer ff's. Personally I like fallout because the back story is essential to the main quest but determines very little about your character, there is still a lot of space to mess around with like how the vault has changed you ie. Hell even in ff8 I managed to make like three different personalities for squall and that says something because he is probably the most sulky emo teenager game history has ever seen.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dutchraptor View Post
      he is probably the most sulky emo teenager game history has ever seen.

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