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      So Ben Affleck is the new Batman

      I'm reluctantly on-board. He definitely wouldn't have been my first pick, but I think he can pull it off.

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      I liked him in Paycheck, and as long as he has a well written script, I don't think it'll go bad.

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      His characters in Chasing Amy and Dazed and Confused are my permanent images of him. I can't take him seriously as Batman.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      His characters in Chasing Amy and Dazed and Confused are my permanent images of him. I can't take him seriously as Batman.
      I think that's what a lot of people (and I mean a LOT) are going through. I can definitely see why, because he's played pretty much 'himself' in so many roles like that. But after Paycheck, the Town and (what I've seen of) Argo, he's matured a lot as an actor, since then. Have you seen any of those, UM? And if so, what did you think of his performances?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Oneironaut Zero View Post
      I think that's what a lot of people (and I mean a LOT) are going through. I can definitely see why, because he's played pretty much 'himself' in so many roles like that. But after Paycheck, the Town and (what I've seen of) Argo, he's matured a lot as an actor, since then. Have you seen any of those, UM? And if so, what did you think of his performances?
      I haven't seen those movies. Maybe they could change my image of Affleck some. I think he did great jobs in the movies I mentioned, so I'm not saying he's a bad actor or anything. I love those films big time. He was also great for movies like Good Will Hunting, Mallrats, and Dogma. But Batman is a million miles from those roles. Ben will be doing the Batman talking style, and I'm going to be chuckling about him becoming obsessed with a lesbian and having paint spilled on his head by ninth graders. I do think think he has enough skill to play Batman, though. I might even say he would be perfect for the role if he weren't already typecast in my head.
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      Argo IMO i like.

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      Seems kinda dumb that they're rebooting it so soon after the series 'concluded'. Same with Spiderman. Superman too (that's one which just keeps on stalling and restarting...). These cash cows are getting tired, in my opinion.

      Is it even a reboot? I don't really know what's going on, with how it's tying into the existing Superman franchise.

      As for Affleck, well, I always thought the role was kinda bland and easy to play. As Batman he has the mask on, and as Bruce Wayne he's just sombre. Lots of people seemed to like Christian Bale but I just found him boring.
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      Ben Afleck has played in so many comedies, it's just hard to picture him in such a dark and serious role as Batman. We'll see how he does.

      I agree with Xei on this though, why in the heck do they keep "resetting" these films? Spiderman could've gone on with the same people, from where the last "old" film left off, why create "The Amazing Spiderman" with all new actors, from the beginning? WTH was that about? And now they're doing that with Batman, when they had a good thing going, again, with the last films they did? WTH is going on with these films, it makes no sense! It would be like, if after making the second Hunger Games film, they started over from the beginning with an entirely different cast.

      I thought Christian Bale was the darkest, most serious Batman they could've cast, and he did an excellent job--same with the guy who played the Joker (can't remember his name). Compare Afleck to Bale, and you can see why I have a hard time picturing him as Batman
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      Quote Originally Posted by hathor28 View Post
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      Daredevil wasn't Ben Affleck's fault. It was a horribly-written, mostly-horribly-executed film. Affleck and Michael Clark Duncan were pretty much the only good things about the movie, and that's not saying much, because of how it was written. I really don't think it's a fair comparison, though.

      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      I haven't seen those movies. Maybe they could change my image of Affleck some. I think he did great jobs in the movies I mentioned, so I'm not saying he's a bad actor or anything. I love those films big time. He was also great for movies like Good Will Hunting, Mallrats, and Dogma. But Batman is a million miles from those roles. Ben will be doing the Batman talking style, and I'm going to be chuckling about him becoming obsessed with a lesbian and having paint spilled on his head by ninth graders. I do think think he has enough skill to play Batman, though. I might even say he would be perfect for the role if he weren't already typecast in my head.
      I do agree with all that. It's the reason my approval isn't completely Gung-Ho, but I've seen him play serious enough roles (that are more recent) to where I don't think it's going to affect me too much. A lot of people tend to get caught up in 'seeing the actor instead of the character', in many movies, but it doesn't happen to me very often - other than in extreme cases like, say, Nicolas Cage playing Johnny Blaze. *shudder*

      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      Seems kinda dumb that they're rebooting it so soon after the series 'concluded'. Same with Spiderman. Superman too (that's one which just keeps on stalling and restarting...). These cash cows are getting tired, in my opinion.

      Is it even a reboot? I don't really know what's going on, with how it's tying into the existing Superman franchise.

      As for Affleck, well, I always thought the role was kinda bland and easy to play. As Batman he has the mask on, and as Bruce Wayne he's just sombre. Lots of people seemed to like Christian Bale but I just found him boring.
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      Ben Afleck has played in so many comedies, it's just hard to picture him in such a dark and serious role as Batman. We'll see how he does.

      I agree with Xei on this though, why in the heck do they keep "resetting" these films? Spiderman could've gone on with the same people, from where the last "old" film left off, why create "The Amazing Spiderman" with all new actors, from the beginning? WTH was that about? And now they're doing that with Batman, when they had a good thing going, again, with the last films they did? WTH is going on with these films, it makes no sense! It would be like, if after making the second Hunger Games film, they started over from the beginning with an entirely different cast.

      I thought Christian Bale was the darkest, most serious Batman they could've cast, and he did an excellent job--same with the guy who played the Joker (can't remember his name). Compare Afleck to Bale, and you can see why I have a hard time picturing him as Batman
      It's all an unholy mess that has to deal with character rights and franchise cohesion. In the case of Spider-Man, FOX owns the right to the [Tobey McGuire] Spider-Man, so he's basically not "allowed" in any of the new Marvel movies. When Marvel Studios decided to do "The Amazing Spider-Man" it was the first step in their attempt to give their version of the character a chance to appear in other 'strictly-Marvel' material. Basically, the companies that created these characters (Marvel and DC) - after outsourcing them to production companies to make them into movies over the previous years - now have the ability to make their own movies, with their own visions for the characters they helped create, and so they are doing whatever they can to get these characters back and integrate them into their universes.

      Case in point: both FOX and Marvel Studios want to use Pietro/Quicksilver. He's going to appear in both X-men: Days of Futures Past and Avengers 2, but they will be played by different actors, and likely have different backstories. It's kind of a clusterfuck.

      Batman is a little different, because Christopher Nolan made his Dark Knight so 'grounded in reality' (and closed-ended) that he really won't have much place in a universe with Superheroes the likes of Superman / Wonder Woman / Aquaman; etc. To do that, they essentially got rid of a lot of things that made Batman Batman (they also went so far into their own story that, by the end of the franchise, he was pretty physically incapable of even being Batman anymore). It would have been impossible to put him into a Justice League universe, because he was already at the end of this road. They had to reboot it, so that we could get a more complete (and, likely, bombastic) Batman, who is going to be able to keep pace with the God-like characters of the JLA - like the one in the comics and cartoons does.

      Also, Batman / Bruce Wayne, isn't supposed to be so 1-dimensionally somber. I actually was not a big fan of the Christian Bale casting for Batman. He was dull and boring, as was said. Bruce Wayne, especially, is supposed to be this infinitely-likeable, charismatic socialite. And even Batman, in some of his greatest moments, has shown a propensity for humor while wearing the cape and cowl. Bale really showed none of that, and I think Affleck will be able to bring a more dynamic (and interesting) style to the role.
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      You forgot Colin farrel in that too.

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      I didn't like him as Bullseye.
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      THAT explains it then. I was wondering why the sudden change in the films, thanks for taking the time to explain that. You are right, of course, about the new batman being "too human" for the Justice League. That said, I always saw Batman as the ONE superhero who didn't really have any superhuman powers, and it's what made him unique. I liked how they played on that in the newer Batman films. That said, I get what you mean too, about how they essentially made it to where it *had* to be done. Doesn't mean I won't miss the new spin on him though--or the very dark and ominous Joker.
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      There was a lot of trepidation about Michael Keaton as Batman for many of the same reasons - he had mostly done comedy etc, heck, I didn't think he was the right choice at all. Until I saw the movie. He was perfect - though from what I've seen Ben Affleck doesn't have any of the intensity Keaton does that made him able to pull it off. Plus being done by Tim Burton of course there was a lot of whimsey included in that universe. This one will be different.

      One thing I realized after seeing Keaton in the cowl is that he had the absolutely perfect jaw for Batman. Not so sure about Affleck.. I guess only time will tell.

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      Quote Originally Posted by oneironaut zero View Post
      i didn't like him as bullseye.
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      By weird coincidence Daredevil was on cable last night, so I watched for a while, trying to imagine Benny as Batman. Ya know, I think he can pull it off. Especially considering he's older now and a bit more rugged/manly.

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      The jawline thing was actually something that I'd brought up to someone else as being essential to having a good Batman. Bale didn't have it, and I believe that that's part of the reason they tried covering it up with that unusually-concealing mask in the TDK series. I do think Affleck's got a strong enough jaw for it. And people have been talking about build, but I've read that Affleck has already started training 2 hours a day to bulk up for the role. I don't think physicality will be a problem in this, at all.
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      Agreed. By an even weirder coincidence Paycheck is on now. I watched a few minutes of it (never saw it or any of the other Affleck recommendations listed here). I was thinking about the jaw thing, and I realized - he does have that strong cleft chin thing going on. While I didn't care for the Daredevil costume, what I liked about him in that movie was the banter with his friend in the cafe or whatever - I can see him as a very personable Bruce Wayne. He's got this weird thing going on that in a way makes him perfect for a half-masked type of hero character - if all you can see is his chin he looks like a hardass, but when the mask comes off he looks kind of wimpy, so it's a perfect built-in alter-ego thing. I hope he doesn't gargle Drano for the voice the way Bale did..

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      Oh, it's not coincidence. TV networks tend to pump out actor/franchise-related stuff whenever there is something big happening in the film world. They are just showing Ben Affleck movies because he was just outed as the new Batman. They always do this. Pay attention to whenever there is a blockbuster hit that has either been announced or is about to open in theaters. Odds are you are going to see a virtual marathon of related content on TV.

      But yeah, I would say definitely watch The Town, if you haven't seen it yet. He has definitely matured as an actor, as his career has progressed. Overall, I think The Town wasn't quite as good as it's being reviewed, but it was still really good, and he was great in it. What I'm hoping to see is Affleck having maybe some directorial influence over the MoS vs Batman movie, but leaving the pure visuals to Zack Snyder (Because there is hardly anyone better, when it comes to visual direction). That would be superb, in my eyes. Dunno if it's going to happen, but it would definitely do away with some of the shortcomings Man of Steel had with having Snyder as the sole director. Visually, he got it down to perfection, but it was everything else that kinda lacked. (Still loved it, though.)

      I really am optimistic about Affleck, though, and I think he may have a lot of people eating their words, once the movie comes out; just like Heath Ledger did.

      Also, I kinda brought the guns out on someone on FB who'd said I was an 'idiot' for saying I didn't think Bale was a great Batman, so I'll just post my reply here, because it goes to show why I'm really looking forward to someone Other than Bale taking on the character:

      His Bruce Wayne was dull. Part of Bruce Wayne’s mystique (and appeal) is that he is a billionaire playboy, a world-renown philanthropist and a charismatic socialite with the ability (and charm) to put literally anyone into his back pocket. When it comes to sheer personality, Bale’s Bruce Wayne was None of that. He had mostly mediocre lines and hardly came across as charismatic at all. He spent most of his time brooding, and there were very few moments where his Bruce Wayne actually came across as someone who was funny, upbeat and a pleasure to actually be around. That is what makes the duality between Bruce Wayne and Batman work, IMO. In these movies, it was there (slightly) but it was very, very bland.

      And his Batman? Really…what was there to like?

      The fight scenes were average. The choreography showed him to be more of a brawler than an elite martial artist, and the cinematography paid not the slightest bit of respect to the actual moves that were being done. It focused so much on the drama and gave you the ‘just appreciate the fact that people are hitting each other’ version of movie-fighting. It got better as the series went on, but remained Absolutely sub-par, when it comes to cinematic fight scenes, in general. This is not altogether Bale’s fault. (Nolan is Not a great action director. There. I said it. And this is coming from someone who lists Inception as one of my favorite movies.)

      Also: The Bat Voice is a Joke to anyone who’s actually watched Batman: the Animated Series (which is hailed by many as one of the best incarnations of Batman in existence), played the Batman: Arkham games or, basically, experienced Anything in which Kevin Conroy has voiced Batman. It was impossible for me to take him seriously with that raspy, unnecessarily over-the-top, synthesized voice that was more ‘cheesy’ than ‘intimidating’, and it was the main thing that I continued to wish they would change, as the franchise went on…but they didn’t. Ever. Do you know what completely ruined the climax of The Dark Knight, for me? His voice. The monologue that he was giving to the Joker, while trying to catch his breath from the fight…and still doing the “Raspy…*inhale*…Batvoice….*inhale*….like This….*inhale*…” was PAINFUL. Seriously. It hurt.

      Everything from:
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      It was horrible. All of it.

      Now, don’t get me wrong: I love Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. They are great movies. TDKR, to me, is the worst of the three, but it is still pretty good. I also have nothing against Bale as an actor. But I actually have some pretty unbiased reasons as to why I don’t think Bale’s Batman was anywhere near what some fans think it was. Why don't I think that? Because, frankly, I’ve seen better. I actually enjoyed seeing Michael Keaton play Batman more than I did Bale. Let's not forget about how they had to neuter Batman to make him fit into Nolan's 'more realistic' universe. Batman is supposed to be one of the Smartest Characters in the Known Universe. A super-genius with No Equal. Was that Bale's Batman? No. Not at all. In fact, I would say Lucius Fox and Alfred were mainly the brains of the TDK universe...and that is a shame.

      So, yeah. Your turn. What was it that made him so phenomenal? The World that Nolan built was superb (aside from the mediocre fighting), but there was absolutely nothing special about Bale as Batman, in my eyes. Nothing. He could have been replaced by any number of people, under the same conditions, and it wouldn’t have been any worse at all.

      Also: Anne Hathaway was a mediocre Catwoman. Sorry.
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      Very well said - I gotta agree with every word. Oh, and I do know how cable stations will push for upcoming releases - somehow it just didn't occur to me that's what was going on. A derp moment.

      Yeah, I've personally never been happy with the fight scenes in any Batman movie - I guess the cape and cowl cause all kinds of problems. Heck, they ought to just mocap those in after the fact so they can have him doing all the badass moves unencumbered. At least for the big action shots. He could actually be wearing the mask just without anything around his neck, maybe some body paint for perfect freedom of movement, then fix any bad spots in post and add in a CG cape. For most shots he'd be able to wear the full getup.

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      Quote Originally Posted by TheSilverWolf View Post
      Ben Afleck has played in so many comedies, it's just hard to picture him in such a dark and serious role as Batman. We'll see how he does.

      I agree with Xei on this though, why in the heck do they keep "resetting" these films? Spiderman could've gone on with the same people, from where the last "old" film left off, why create "The Amazing Spiderman" with all new actors, from the beginning? WTH was that about? And now they're doing that with Batman, when they had a good thing going, again, with the last films they did? WTH is going on with these films, it makes no sense! It would be like, if after making the second Hunger Games film, they started over from the beginning with an entirely different cast.

      I thought Christian Bale was the darkest, most serious Batman they could've cast, and he did an excellent job--same with the guy who played the Joker (can't remember his name). Compare Afleck to Bale, and you can see why I have a hard time picturing him as Batman

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      I just checked IMDB and saw that there have been TONS of Batman movies and T.V. shows. I only knew about a few.

      Find - IMDb

      Probably the most famous is the 1960's T.V. show that wasn't a cartoon. There was a late 60's cartoon too, but it's not too famous now.



      Adam West (Batman) and Burt Ward (Robin) also did the characters' voices on a cartoon that went on the air in 1977.

      The New Adventures of Batman Cartoon - (1977) - YouTube

      The first Batman screen performance came out in 1943.

      Batman (1943) - IMDb

      Batman 1943 Serial - Chapter 2 - The Bat&#39;s Cave (Part 1/2) - YouTube

      I am pretty sure Ben Affleck can top that one.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Darkmatters View Post
      Lmao. That was hilarious.

      Here's another. I love Angry Joe.



      Some mixed feelings over at IGN:


      Also, a pretty cool, fan-made Daredevil/Batman mash-up:



      But I'm with Angry Joe on this one. That was my initial reaction when I first heard about the casting choice (though maybe not as hyperbolic. Lol), but I really do think we should reserve judgement. He's shown he can act, he does look Like a superhero in the DD costume, and we know he's going to be bulking up to fill out the Batsuit. There are going to have to be plenty of other things to keep this movie from being a disaster, though, so let's just hope all the stars align (no pun intended).
      Last edited by Oneironaut Zero; 08-25-2013 at 02:13 PM.
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