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People of that category of racism can and often do have friends of other races. Since they generally believe the majority of people of a race are bad, but still believe individuals can be good. What really muddies the water though, is some of the stuff they believe can be true as well. Since people really are different, and people come from different cultures.
I am decended from the settlers who migrated to britain at the end of the last ice age. So yes I am indigenous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaqaria
I notice that xei nitpicks my definition of british but he STILL hasn't said where he would draw the line.
You sure about that? The last ice age ended over 10 000 years ago, men weren't so much "settlers" back then but nomads without written language or culture. Also most of the original inhabitants of Britain (pre-Roman) were pushed out of England towards Scotland and Wales during the Dark Ages. The vast majority of people in England are descendants of Anglo-Saxon invaders from what is now Germany.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thatperson
Perhaps that's because I've had remotely interesting things to be talking about.Quote:
I am decended from the settlers who migrated to britain at the end of the last ice age. So yes I am indigenous.
I notice that xei nitpicks my definition of british but he STILL hasn't said where he would draw the line.
300 years isn't long enough but 12,000 is because..?Quote:
Indeed as america has only existed for 330ish years, americans don't form a single ethnicity. Instead it's more a mixture of various european ancesteries. As people have lived in britain continuously for 12,000 years there does exist a brithish ethnic group. This is where the terms "civicly british" and "ethnically british" come from. If you own a passport, you are civicly british, however if you are ethnically britsh you are just "british", the fact is that I and the 50 millionish others are more british than any black/asian/non british european will ever be. I would take the exact opposite view of mario92, where he says "Lineage and descent don't matter a lick" I would say having a passport doesn't matter a lick.
Why do you even care so much about genetics? What difference does it make to absolutely anything? You don't honestly think that the people who lived on this island for the last few thousand years had some kind of consistent quality? How does this matter to anything? Britain is a lump of dirt for chrissakes.
And why do you place so much importance in your ancestors from 12,000 years ago but completely ignore all of your African ancestors from 15,000 years ago?
(I'm amazed you checked out all 250-odd of your great-great-...-great-grandparents from 1830 by the way).
How would you even know this? Don't you know how much immigration has taken place, sometimes in huge amounts, to this country, over history? The probability of every one of your ancestors being settled here just after the ice age is virtually zero.Quote:
I am decended from the settlers who migrated to britain at the end of the last ice age. So yes I am indigenous.
To be blunt with you, you should know that I find the fact you'd equate 'half black' to 'half British' as disgusting and disturbing. And that you think my disagreeing with this is 'nitpicking'...Quote:
I think a good guidline would be unable to benefit from positive discrimination. When they advertise posts for ethnic minorities only I'm sure they have some standard where you have to be no more than 3/4 British. I think if you can't tell if they appear british then they qualify, as the great man himself once said "You just look, you just know". I think if you are 7/8 british then you qualify. But then again most people are 100% british so they arn't subject to the "where do you draw the line" debate.
British people are citizens of Britain.
If there were a white guy, descended from the very first Brits, who was a petty criminal who sat around and sponged off the state; would you call them British? What about a serious criminal? Are they British?
If yes, then what is the point in discussing Britishness, as it seems like a totally meaningless term?
Another interesting question: who exactly do 'non-Brits' by your definition have to integrate with to become 'Brits'? It seems to me that an Asian person would have to socialise with white people, but white people don't have to socialise with anybody. Why are they so special? Many black people have roots from three centuries ago.
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Originally Posted by Xei
Dear god, no‼ It can't be‼
I read somewhere that police officers and other officials can't actually publicly be part of the BNP.
ThatPerson, I find it amazing that you actually researched your ancestry to that extent. I think the fact that you did says a lot in itself. :P
Indeed, Police officers and prison service workers cannot be part of the BNP (or National Front). It was on the cards that teachers may be banned but luckily that hasn't happened yet. This itself is blatent unfair discrimination. If they were to bring politics into the classroom then sure they should be disciplined/struck off. But this should apply to all teachers. So make the argument that people with the BNP's views are incompatible with teaching but as long as they don't politicise school then there's no problem. Infact we used have a teacher who spent his whole time ranting and raving about how bad the BNP were without actually teaching a thing usually.
What does the fact i researched my ancestry say about me? :p maybe i'm missing something lol.
If you go to ancestry.co.uk they used to have a 2 week free trial where you had access to census records, birth/death records etc, even marriage certificates. However most of this information ceases around 1830. However someone I know paid for premium membership to get parish records etc. Turns out one of my ancestors born in 1500 was born just 9 miles from here, and his line of decendants all the way down to me all lived within 9 miles of where I am now. The hardest bit is getting enough info to start off with though. Ideally should should know all 8 great grandparents before you start.
Like the BNP...Quote:
Originally Posted by Thatperson
ZING!