We all know that this law wont be passed... This is just a hypothetical disscusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis
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We all know that this law wont be passed... This is just a hypothetical disscusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis
Basing how many children one can have simply upon numbers is as brilliant as a burnt out light bulb.
It is amasing, that given the chance to say something intelligent, people avoid it like the plague.
It is by definition that a living organism competes for its existence. Removing the competition negates evolution.
The intelligence of humanity has been on a decline with the advent of civilized culture---because man is too stupid to begin with to know how to establish a civil state without violating what he must be. The use of technology to replace human functioning instead of using it to augment it.
The mind learns by experience, remove the experiences and one removes the learning. Intelligence declines. Social Structure as it stands promotes human decadence.
Increase population invokes stress, people are once again challenged. Intelligence in a segment increases, at least for a time.
Now, man can choose to let his future be guided by his own stupidity, and therefor it becomes simply an accident if he lives or not, or he can grow a damn brain.
Perhaps humans can evolve to consciously take control of their own population and evolution? This hasn't happened in the rest of the animal, plant, fungal, etc. kingdoms that I am aware of.
Lovely, my post didn't post. Humans are the only known species to go to war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut
Needless to say, it is an illusion. I wish people wouldn't be so stupid and repeat the same mistakes.
Joy, that is what matters. Regardless of thinking on this single topic, things will work out or the planet will purge us to the point we are manageable. A purge by the planet is painless, but it is definitely meaningful in the sense of failure. For all we know, this could be our third trimester. Who wants to chance it? Don't be naive. Don't believe everything you hear. Listen to your heart.
The world is indeed the grand parent. Do you know what immorality is? Most likely, you just don't remember.
I believe people should be more educated about what a carrying capacity is and how rapidly our population is increasing. We haven't hit our carrying capacity, but when we do all hell will break loose.
People will die of starvation faster, more widely, and disease will (in the hopes of a balance-seeker) help lower our population to a more sustainable level.
I think people should be able to have as many kids as they like
Its their own personal right and I dont think you should take that away
me, im only having one of my own kids. if I want more ill adopt
this wouldn't be a bad method. but people would probably have a problem with it too
I do kinda think sometimes that people should have to pass a test in order to become parents but then there would be a whole lot more orphans . And then they should be tested like every two years following, and if you fail the government will take your precious baby away
there is no better motivation.
and then they will know the things they should
could not agree more with you. the problem isnt with over population in general. its over population of dumb shits. the kind of people that live at wal mart and think the tv is reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartiate
That isn't true. I believe there are species of insects that go to war all the time, examples are ants and possibly bees. Granted not on the same scale as humanity, that is just a by product of civilization. I believe rival bands of chimpanzees even have "battles" from time to time. War and violence are as integral as love and peace in the minds of human beings, whether you are aware of it or not. It's anything but an illusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis
Dumb poor people generally do the physical labor for the smart, wealthy people. Have you ever seen a wealthy smart person lifting beams at a construction site?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartiate
Also, some wealthy people are not smart, just lucky *cough PARIS HILTON cough*.
Please read Huxley's Brave New World.
There needs to be a balance of poor dumb people and rich smart people for a society to be productive. If everyone is poor, there are no employers. If everyone is rich, there are no employees. Can you imagine the Monopoly Guy driving a truck full of lumber? I can't.
Where was I going with this? Oh right, restrictions on the number of children an individual can have. For everybody, no more than 2 should be the result of sex. Feel free to adopt, though. That's my thought. Children are disgusting.
However, America fears communists and restrictions on God's commandment to "bear fruit," which is a shame because I don't think God said, "F:shock:k like rabbits," but whatever. Education is very important, I think, whether there are restrictions of baby making or not.
Sorry for the double post.
Restricting the number of children produced would be a societal evolution, as it would help prevent overpopulation. In my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Philosopher8659
How about this? Instead of tossing around theoretical "BAN ALL SECOND SIBLINGS" laws or arguing over what the right number of kids is, we focus on creating a society where people with more kids than they can count on one hand are shunned for the irresponsible overbreeders that they are? Outlawing things is dangerous, because the government really has no role in the bedroom unless someone's getting murdered. Shifting the societal expectation to "less kids is more responsible" and "adoption makes real families too" and away from the idea that it's better to harvest sperm and eggs from healthy people and make test tube babies than it is to adopt from some poor teenager who made a mistake.
I thought we already had that...Quote:
Originally Posted by katemorrigan
Last I checked "shunning" and "giving them a reality TV show" weren't the same thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by kookyinc
Overpopulation, in the long term, reduces the quality of life of everyone in a country. A government has the right to step in and prevent this from happening. Your right to bear children doesn't override the right of others to live in a stable and productive society that can't exist with overpopulation.
Want to bet?Quote:
Originally Posted by horsey101
yes? That's not much of a rebuttal...Quote:
Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis
Here's what happens when you meet and exceed the carrying capacity of the earth: people start dying as fast or faster than they're born. One of the greatest threats from overpopulation is that with such a high volume of people, many will be forced to live in close, cramped quarters. Places like these are a breeding ground for traditional viruses, but also new and far more lethal ones. It would take one solid virus to wipe out billions. This is not a question of if, but when. Then you face other problems like energy production and consumption, as well as food and fresh water. The American lifestyle is not immune to the effects of overpopulation.
Most definitely, so you should go read my original comments I made in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by horsey101
There isn't overpopulating problem worth mentioning in Europe... no idea about US. The real problem imho are muslims. Nothing against them in general, but if i remember right, their birth rates should be something around 8. Not much to do with self control either like somebody mentioned here. Just religion and traditions mostly. Look their population and do the math... Frightening numbers if you ask me.
Indeed, very good point. The way to stop overpopulation in North America/Europe is by substantially reducing immigration (with no muslim immigration at all ideally).
Ideally, this would be a good idea, but practically, though, I think that this would be very unlikely. There would be a load of protest and suggestions of bigotry and whatnot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thatperson
I've no doubt there would be mass protests if one were to suggest a reduction in muslim immigration whislt others would rejoyce. People may one day realise practicality does not equal bigotry.
The practical thing to do would be to place restrictions on all citizens and all immigrants, the bigoted thing to do would be to single out a certain population due to their ethnicity or their religious beliefs. You are deluding yourself if you think your opinion on this matter isn't bigoted.
Trying to reduce population growth from the top down with population controls just introduces new complications. The one factor that reliably lowers birth rates is education, so rather than wasting time telling people what they "should" do, try opening a school in the Third World.
is there anything more evil than a concentrated effort to depopulate certain groups of people? i agree we need education. not starvation, not sterilization, not abortions. we could all use a little more education...(not the establishment education of course)