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      Conspiracy theories.

      No. I don't wear a tin foil hat. Just wanted to make a thread and ask what are your views into conspiracies. I'm pretty new here and wouldn't like to be labeled as some crazy nut, but thought I have to post a thread about conspiracy theories with a purpose that if at least one person starts to question things he/she, before, took as simple truth and common agreed knowledge.

      So yeah. I believe there's corruption in this world in the name of power. And it's been in human nature from the beginning, desire to rule, desire to unite the world as one under your command. The Romans tried it, the Mongols, the Russians, the Germans, the Persians, the British and many others. All of them failed. But I have no reason to believe why this, the 21 century should be any way different. History tends to repeat itself over and over. So yes, I believe there's a threat to humanity as a whole.

      The threat of globalization. The main reason would be major global corporations and privately owned banks having influence on government. And organizations like the EU which has become more like a country itself having a parlament and a president, a supreme court. It would be all fine by me to unite world in one. But I got to say, there is no such thing possible as global democracy. And it would be fine by me, if in charge would be a dictator who is perfect person with unbelievable knowledge of moral, ethics and millions of other qualities. But we all know there are no single perfect person to make decisions that please everyone. Every person has an ideology, which in many cases, as history shows is meant to serve progress through slaving working class.

      With that said. No. I'm saying this is the ultimate truth and I believe every word I just wrote. I just believe it would be wise to know of the possibility of such outcome in future. Having researched about secret societies and tracking down the lines between key figures in major corporations, media, military and government it doesn't make me feel very comfortable. I don't like that mainstream media doesn't cover secret societies in any way. For example, when people in Bilderberg meetings are the very people who are in key positions in governments(Clintons, Bushes, Obama and so on), people from the banking industry(Greenspan, Bernanke, Rockefellers, Morgans and so on) not to mention Military officials and head of states from countries all over the world. Again. I'd be fine with these meetings it they weren't set in private and done behind closed doors with no mainstream media coverage at all.

      There are tons of other 'suspicious' organizations and secrets societies, which members are interlinked. I wouldn't give a shit about them if the people there are not top officials of every single major corporation, bank or government.

      Council on Foreign Relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      Trilateral Commission - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      Skull and Bones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
      Bohemian Grove - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

      There is some pretty sick things I've read, seen and heard about the activities done in some of these goups(secret societies). And no. My buddy didn't tell me these stories. Nor did I read it from some random conspiracy book. I've seen all the people I've mentioned on photographs from the meetings. Heard the president Nixon tell himself what homosexual faggetry is going on in Bohemian grove. Not to begin with pedophilia scandals and occult 'stuff' that's leaked out from these groups.

      Here's my first video for you. No... It's not some tinfoil-hat-wearing conspiracy theorist who tries to tell you that no plane hit building 7 at 9/11 and it still fell at free fall speed and that BBC aired a interview on live TV saying that the building(WTC 7) had collapsed, even though it was still in the background on live feed. (The interview was cut short due to technical issues, lol). I almost forgot. Here is President Kennedy:




      That's about it for now. Should be enough to get a fiery response. But people who still didn't get it. I'm just guessing here. I believe in everything and nothing. Just sharing information that many people just haven't come across. I'm not trying to convert anyone to believe in things I just hinted at. I'm just open minded and like to research stuff like this.

      So for you, who thought omfgod maybe there is some sense in what I just said and think the men in power ain't really working for your best interests. Go dive into the world of conspiracy theories by watching the following documentary. Oh, it has 7 million views and 42k likes / 7k dislikes . So maybe. Maybe there is something interesting in there after all.

      YouTube - ‪The Obama Deception HQ Full length version‬‎

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      I hate how people group all conspiracy theories together. As if conspiracies are one thing. Either all conspiracy theories are true or all or false. That is ridiculous though. You have to take each one individually and see what is true and what isn't. Most of them have elements of truth in them, and some are all true. What I find, is some things labeled as conspiracies are actually proven history.

      It is not real surprising that a lot of important people are connected to the secret groups. It is no conspiracy that people in the government are often corrupt, and its fairly well known that people help one another for favors. So when friends find them self in power, they bring their friends along with them.

      The practice is so common it has its own word, nepotism.

      While things like the Bilderberg group, might not actually be talking about taking over the world, its is important to look at the group. There are questions raised that it may not be entirely legal for elected politicians to be going to such a meeting. It is no surprise that the media doesn't really cover such things, since they often do turn a blind eye to things like that.

      As for politicians looking out for the peoples best interest, I think most people know that is bullshit. Its why so many people in america is turned off from politics. There is no conspiracy there.

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      You know I just had a (genuine) theory. I think there maybe a conspiracy that because these people involved in genuine conspiracies didn't wan't people questioning their ideas too much, they created the concept of "conspiracy" and that if you belive in one you are some crazy nut and shouldn't be belived.

      Seriously, most of the world just brush of any serious discussion about thigns like jews controlling the world, but then again they actually do (not that I have anything against the vast majoirty of jews). I mean I belive the moon landings happened but I've seen 0 evidence for this at all.
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      Which Jews? :S

      Nobody controls the world. The whole problem with conspiracy theories is that they place too much faith in the competence of organisations. People in general are actually pretty stupid and make decisions out of ignorance, even (or especially) those in power.

      Organisations fuck up all the time. In fact, the bigger and more powerful an organisation becomes, the greater the tendency it seems to have to do something inane.

      In reality history tends to be driven by random decisions of individuals, often seemingly trivial at the time, and individuals are far to chaotic to be able to understand or control.

      For example, 9/11; the airline security was incompetent, the US intelligence and defence was incompetent, and the terrorists were fucking idiots. Simple. No conspiracy required.

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      I am generally very skeptical on most government conspiracy theories.

      Why?

      Because the government is made up of humans, not monsters.

      Conspiracies have happened in the past, and they almost always involve a very tight group of people, and the secret leaks. If there was a huge conspiracy, like, 9/11, it would get out.

      Here is a quote from Debunking911.com. Although it is discussing the 9/11 conspiracy theory specifically, it applies to all conspiracy theories.

      Even conspiracies with a few people are doomed. Look at Enron and Watergate. The more people you involve, the more likely the conspiracy will fall apart. The amount of people needed for this conspiracy could fill one of the towers. It's absurd to think this many people could keep a mass murder for Bush secret for this long. Absurd...
      It is conspiracies that involve deaths that make me the most angry. Specifically 9/11. I never cease to get very angry when someone suggests that the government did it.

      Another quote from debunking911.com:


      All the people who would have to be involved in order to pull this massive conspiracy off...

      -The Bush Administration, who failed at everything they ever did. Yet all of them and the people below are helping him cover up the largest mass murder in US history... Some of them like Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neil have come out for less.

      -The NYC Fire fighters who know more about building collapses than most, if not all, of them. It's their LIFE to know. Literally! Yet they don't call for an investigation into the MASS MURDER of over 300 of their brothers... Why? (The twisting of these peoples’ statements for donations and DVD sales sickens me.) We have uncovered the myth about a gag order imposed on all fire fighters. Only 9/11 conspiracy sites say this. ONE person who sued Bush for not taking action before the event is ordered by the court not to speak to the media about the case. This is not imposing a gag order on the whole fire department as some of these sites claim. They are lying to cover up this mass murder by the government or the building owner. Why? They don't even know...

      Conspiracy theorists bring up an article in Fire House magazine which says the fire department wanted to stop the steel from being sold in order to test the fire proofing and other non-bomb/controlled demolition related investigations. They twist the article’s context to make it seem like the firefighters questioned the idea that fire brought down the towers.

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      Many of these men and women come from the military, yet we are to believe they are so afraid they rather die in the government’s next mass murder than come out and expose this.

      -The courts for imposing a gag order [SEE above]

      -The NYC Police department who lost over 20 lives. They didn't ask for an investigation. Motive? None...

      -The NYC port Authority who lost personnel. Motive?

      -All the people in the Pentagon who have not called for an investigation. Many who are liberal and centrist. They did or said nothing while people supposedly trucked in airplane parts to cover the crime. Why? Again, no answer...

      -The more than 1,600 widows and widowers of 9/11 who would rather have investigations of the decisions which led to the terrorist getting away with this. They don't want to waste time investigating the mass murder of their loved ones. Even the Jersey Girls. Why? They say it's the money... [note: Whenever killing someone, pay off the relative. They won’t say anything.]

      -The media (This one I almost believe) who doesn't follow up on the biggest mass murder and conspiracy in American history. It seems no one wants a Nobel prize for journalism. Not only the American media but foreign press like the BBC and Al Jazeera. Why? No answer here either...

      -The photographers from around the world who took pictures of the towers which clearly show bowing of the perimeter columns. These photos support the NIST hypothesis that the sagging trusses lead to the collapse. Some photos also show the core intact shortly after collapse which also not only support the NIST hypothesis but discredits the "Controlled demolition" account.

      -Popular Mechanics who debunked these sites are also helping Bush commit the biggest mass murder in history.

      PopularMechanics.com Science - RSS Feed

      -PBS Nova since they created a documentary explaining in detail how and why the buildings fell. None of it said bomb.

      NOVA | Building on Ground Zero | PBS

      -Everyone in the NIST who covers up the largest mass murder in US history. This independent organization doesn't have a moral person in hundreds of employees because not one has come out exposing this so called "Conspiracy". In fact, the hundreds of scientist who signed onto the report are willing to not only lie for Bush but cover up the largest mass murder in American history. Some suggest only a handful can do the job but that's simply impossible. The team in charge of the computer modeling has to be in sync with the team of structural engineers and so on. There are hundreds involved in this investigation and every team has to work with other teams using the same evidence and specifications.

      -NY Governor Pataki because he sold steel from the WTC for the construction of the USS New York. If the argument is the government sold the steel in order to cover up the crime then Pataki is one of the criminals.

      -The NY city scrap yards because they also sold steel to China before all of it was tested. Bush would have needed to call them up and tell them to sell it before they could have investigated every beam. A task which would have taken years and years not to mention millions more. Ironically the republican Mayor Bloomberg could not be involved since he asked the scrap yards not to sell the steel on behalf of the firefighters.

      -EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD who doesn't write a paper for a mainstream peer reviewed journal saying the towers were brought down and could not have fallen due to fire. If laymen can prove things just by looking at videos and reading interviews out of context, then all those structural engineers MUST be working for Bush right? Even the ones in other countries. Why? The answer they give is that the engineers don't know about Jones’ work. So in all this time no one has e-mailed Jones' work to any structural engineer?

      -Structure Magazine who published a report saying the collapse of WTC 7 may have been due to one column failing.

      -The liberals who don't believe the towers were brought down. (Like me) They're helping a neo-con cover-up the largest mass murder in this nation’s history. Why? No clue...

      -The CIA

      -The FBI

      -FEMA

      -The American Society of Civil Engineers who have produced peer reviewed papers showing how what Conspiracy Theorists say is impossible is possible.

      -NORAD

      -The FAA who saw planes which conspiracy theorists say never existed.

      -The Silverstein Group who they say got together with Bush to blow up the building for insurance money.

      -Silverstein's Insurance Company who didn't question the collapse and paid out over 2 billion to Silverstein. Why? Conspiracy Theorists say the insurance company just wants to pass on the bill to the public but they already fought Silverstein in a number of law suits concerning the amount.

      -American Airlines (Pentagon)

      -United Airlines (Pentagon)

      -Logan, Newark and Dulles Airport for losing the planes

      -Scientists and engineers who developed the remote control plane technology

      -Installers of the remote control devices in the planes (Pentagon)

      -Remote controllers of the planes (Pentagon)

      -Scientists and engineers who developed the new demolition technology and carried out practical tests and computer models to make sure it would work.

      -Installers of the demolitions devices in the three buildings

      -People who worked at the company(s) the installers used as cover

      -Airphone etc employees who said they got calls from passengers (Pentagon)

      -Faux friends and relatives of the faux passengers or just the faux relatives who claim to have been called by their loved ones or just the psyops who fooled relatives into thinking they really were their loved ones. (Pentagon)

      -People who detonated the buildings"

      -anyone who thinks the conspiracy is a diversion to take liberal activist focus off of real crimes.

      Even conspiracies with a few people are doomed. Look at Enron and Watergate. The more people you involve, the more likely the conspiracy will fall apart. The amount of people needed for this conspiracy could fill one of the towers. It's absurd to think this many people could keep a mass murder for Bush secret for this long. Absurd...

      Update:

      A common excuse for no one coming out who was part of this so called 9/11 conspiracy is they fear death. If you analyze the argument carefully you realize they are debunking themselves. Why would even people in the military be more fearful of exposing this than the common conspiracy theorists behind a computer monitor? Either they don't believe what they're saying or they actually think they are more fearless than the thousands of others who would have had to be "in on it". As if people in the CIA or FBI couldn't figure out how to get the message out if they wanted to without exposing who they are. People, dates, places, memos and other evidence could easily be disseminated to the public without exposing who they are. The only reason they claim the people are paralyzed with fear is because they have too in order for the conspiracy story to work.
      Other conspiracies, I feel a little bit more open to. But almost every conspiracy theory I've heard dehumanizes a government. I mean, if something SO big was going on, wouldn't somebody get a prickle in their conscience?
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      The most definitive conspiracies are the ones that no one talks about. Most of you probably don't even know any of this information.

      I have a theory from the information I've gathered over the last eight years that something is going on with animal/human viral research. I have no idea if swine flu or SARS is related, but it wouldn't surprise me. It has to do with the American woman Aafia Siddiqui dubbed the Lady Al-Qaeda, the shutting down of Plum Island animal research facility, and the movement of the research onto the mainland at the primary cattle center of the U.S..

      Note: If you read about how Aafia Siddiqui was caught on wiki, it is obscured, which just gives a good example why wikipedia is a bad place to cite. Aafia Siddiqui was caught by U.S. military while crossing the remote border from Afghanistan into Pakistan. What they found on her of key interest was a hard drive with Plum Island animal virus research. Likewise, officials don't know where her children are. That means she put them in hiding or they are being held hostage. Her nickname she was dubbed originally was the Queen Osama Bin Laden, not Lady Al-Qaeda

      The choices and actions taken are illogical, stupid, and rather hush-hush. Likewise, they all go together. There is most likely other events or scenarios tied that I missed over the last eight years.

      Something different is that you never really hear about Mark Lombardi, which I find one of the most interesting conspiracies ever. The reason is because his work can still be finished and is very easy for even a child to understand. It is just time consuming and could draw unwanted harm.

      I'm frankly tired of following conspiracy theories. They are a waste of time to follow. I feel the decapitation of corruption is far more useful.

      Oh, I almost forgot to add. People that blame the government are thinking illogically. That type of propaganda is most likely being put out by foreign governments to create unrest in the U.S.. Whether it be negligence or intent, there are individual's in the government at fault, not the government. Do not get the two confused.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Noogah View Post
      I mean, if something SO big was going on, wouldn't somebody get a prickle in their conscience?
      No, because only a small group of people would really know. Sure it would take a lot of people involved, but if each one works on a different part of the construct, then the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

      It is like if you were going to construct a top secret underground facility. You would get many different contractors to build different segments so that the location's integrity isn't compromised by someone having the lay-out etc..

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      Quote Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis View Post
      No, because only a small group of people would really know. Sure it would take a lot of people involved, but if each one works on a different part of the construct, then the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing.

      It is like if you were going to construct a top secret underground facility. You would get many different contractors to build different segments so that the location's integrity isn't compromised by someone having the lay-out etc..
      The people would put two and two together after the fact.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Spartiate View Post
      The people would put two and two together after the fact.
      Really? You should probably tell the military that for the top secret bases they build.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis View Post
      Really? You should probably tell the military that for the top secret bases they build.
      People that are contracted at military bases know they are working at military bases, even though they probably don't know what's behind every door in the base. If people were sent to do certain things before 9/11 without knowing what the end result would be, afterwards they'd go "huh, what a coincidence that I was sent to do this fishy business in the world trade centre and then it blew up".

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      Quote Originally Posted by Spartiate View Post
      People that are contracted at military bases know they are working at military bases, even though they probably don't know what's behind every door in the base. If people were sent to do certain things before 9/11 without knowing what the end result would be, afterwards they'd go "huh, what a coincidence that I was sent to do this fishy business in the world trade centre and then it blew up".
      Not if it is as simple as dropping off an unknown package at a location for some unknown person.

      The people that are contracted to build military bases probably do know they are working on some sort of installation but they aren't going to know the layout of the installation if it is top secret. That would jeopardize the installation's integrity.

      The concept is exactly the same.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis View Post
      Not if it is as simple as dropping off an unknown package at a location for some unknown person.

      The people that are contracted to build military bases probably do know they are working on some sort of installation but they aren't going to know the layout of the installation if it is top secret. That would jeopardize the installation's integrity.

      The concept is exactly the same.
      So you're telling me that if you're told to drop an unspecified package to an unspecified person in a high profile location, and a few days later that place blows up, you won't be suspicious?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Spartiate View Post
      So you're telling me that if you're told to drop an unspecified package to an unspecified person in a high profile location, and a few days later that place blows up, you won't be suspicious?
      It isn't that simple. Something highly complex would take years.

      Not my problem if you aren't capable of or able to comprehend setting and planning things out years in advance.

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      Yes this is way over my head, I'll just leave you to your conspiracies then...

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      Quote Originally Posted by Spartiate View Post
      Yes this is way over my head, I'll just leave you to your conspiracies then...
      lol, funny person.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis
      It isn't that simple. Something highly complex would take years.
      Translation:

      I'm being rediculous.

      Let's get something straight.


      -The Bush Administration

      -The NYC Fire fighters who know more about building collapses than most, if not all, of them.

      -The courts for imposing a gag order

      -The NYC Police department who lost over 20 lives.

      -The NYC port Authority who lost personnel. Motive?

      -All the people in the Pentagon who have not called for an investigation.

      -The more than 1,600 widows and widowers of 9/11 who would rather have investigations of the decisions which led to the terrorist getting away with this.

      -The media

      -The photographers from around the world who took pictures of the towers which clearly show bowing of the perimeter columns.

      -Popular Mechanics

      PopularMechanics.com Science - RSS Feed

      -PBS Nova since they created a documentary explaining in detail how and why the buildings fell. None of it said bomb.

      NOVA | Building on Ground Zero | PBS

      -Everyone in the NIST who covers up the largest mass murder in US history.
      -NY Governor Pataki

      -The NY city scrap yards

      -EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD who doesn't write a paper for a mainstream peer reviewed journal saying the towers were brought down and could not have fallen due to fire.

      -Structure Magazine who published a report saying the collapse of WTC 7 may have been due to one column failing.

      -The liberals who don't believe the towers were brought down.

      -The CIA

      -The FBI

      -FEMA

      -The American Society of Civil Engineers

      -NORAD

      -The FAA who saw planes which conspiracy theorists say never existed.

      -The Silverstein Group

      -Silverstein's Insurance Company

      -American Airlines (Pentagon)

      -United Airlines (Pentagon)

      -Logan, Newark and Dulles Airport for losing the planes

      -Scientists and engineers who developed the remote control plane technology

      -Installers of the remote control devices in the planes (Pentagon)

      -Remote controllers of the planes (Pentagon)

      -Scientists and engineers who developed the new demolition technology and carried out practical tests and computer models to make sure it would work.

      -Installers of the demolitions devices in the three buildings

      -People who worked at the company(s) the installers used as cover

      -Airphone etc employees who said they got calls from passengers (Pentagon)

      -Faux friends and relatives of the faux passengers or just the faux relatives who claim to have been called by their loved ones or just the psyops who fooled relatives into thinking they really were their loved ones. (Pentagon)

      -People who detonated the buildings"


      Did you even read the list?

      Do it.

      That list isn't comprised of government servants. Many of them are scientific experts in their field. So they just dropped the subject and lied for...no reason? Because the government bribed them? What?

      These people are professionals. I take their word over yours.

      No reputable organization had any suspicions. No investigations showed anything suspicious. The video's showed two PLANES crashing into the trade centers. There were also video's showing people in the middle east celebrating after it happened. They knew.

      Now, believe this stuff if you must. I don't why you want to, but do it, and at least realize that the conspiracy theories hold no ground.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Noogah View Post
      Translation:

      I'm being rediculous.

      Let's get something straight.


      -The Bush Administration

      -The NYC Fire fighters who know more about building collapses than most, if not all, of them.

      -The courts for imposing a gag order

      -The NYC Police department who lost over 20 lives.

      -The NYC port Authority who lost personnel. Motive?

      -All the people in the Pentagon who have not called for an investigation.

      -The more than 1,600 widows and widowers of 9/11 who would rather have investigations of the decisions which led to the terrorist getting away with this.

      -The media

      -The photographers from around the world who took pictures of the towers which clearly show bowing of the perimeter columns.

      -Popular Mechanics

      PopularMechanics.com Science - RSS Feed

      -PBS Nova since they created a documentary explaining in detail how and why the buildings fell. None of it said bomb.

      NOVA | Building on Ground Zero | PBS

      -Everyone in the NIST who covers up the largest mass murder in US history.
      -NY Governor Pataki

      -The NY city scrap yards

      -EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD who doesn't write a paper for a mainstream peer reviewed journal saying the towers were brought down and could not have fallen due to fire.

      -Structure Magazine who published a report saying the collapse of WTC 7 may have been due to one column failing.

      -The liberals who don't believe the towers were brought down.

      -The CIA

      -The FBI

      -FEMA

      -The American Society of Civil Engineers

      -NORAD

      -The FAA who saw planes which conspiracy theorists say never existed.

      -The Silverstein Group

      -Silverstein's Insurance Company

      -American Airlines (Pentagon)

      -United Airlines (Pentagon)

      -Logan, Newark and Dulles Airport for losing the planes

      -Scientists and engineers who developed the remote control plane technology

      -Installers of the remote control devices in the planes (Pentagon)

      -Remote controllers of the planes (Pentagon)

      -Scientists and engineers who developed the new demolition technology and carried out practical tests and computer models to make sure it would work.

      -Installers of the demolitions devices in the three buildings

      -People who worked at the company(s) the installers used as cover

      -Airphone etc employees who said they got calls from passengers (Pentagon)

      -Faux friends and relatives of the faux passengers or just the faux relatives who claim to have been called by their loved ones or just the psyops who fooled relatives into thinking they really were their loved ones. (Pentagon)

      -People who detonated the buildings"


      Did you even read the list?

      Do it.

      That list isn't comprised of government servants. Many of them are scientific experts in their field. So they just dropped the subject and lied for...no reason? Because the government bribed them? What?

      These people are professionals. I take their word over yours.

      No reputable organization had any suspicions. No investigations showed anything suspicious. The video's showed two PLANES crashing into the trade centers. There were also video's showing people in the middle east celebrating after it happened. They knew.

      Now, believe this stuff if you must. I don't why you want to, but do it, and at least realize that the conspiracy theories hold no ground.
      lol, that doesn't mean anything because I don't adopt mainstream mentality or automatically agree with it. I really don't agree with anything and just pick up on interesting bits of information to see if I can identify propaganda or a pattern later on due to residual cause and effect. It is actually kind of like a game. You should try it sometime.

      You need to calm down. You are acting on emotion. Saying all conspiracy theories are false would be illogical. Conspiracy theories are neither true, nor false.

      The funniest thing about conspiracy theories is that I would wager some do have truth to them, but for the mainstream ones most likely 95% of the true information is disinformation that is either fabricated or jointed in such a manner to create a perception for whatever agenda. Questionable drug research etc. is done the same way.

      Maybe the Chinese did it?

      Frankly, I'm not about to waste my time creating a long example explaining how some huge grand scheme can be constructed for whatever agenda. A small group of people with an ideology can formulate and execute something like that with enough power, influence, and a high enough intelligence. Doesn't even have to be someone in the government. Most politicians are bought anyways, right?

      Speaking of which, did you even read what I said about how not to get the government and people in the government confused? Naughty.

      Now, there is some bull crap xenophobia going on is the statement you have about a video showing people in the middle east celebrating after it happened. True or not, the actions of a few do NOT represent condemnation of a whole populace. "They knew", wow, you sound just like a 9/11 crackpot theorist except you are on the other side of the playing field. Whether 9/11 was an accident or not doesn't matter, that is the past. What matters is the future, which it has been exploited for war etc. and it will indeed continue to be exploited. Cause and effect.

      How about you stop believing things and start thinking.

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      Quote Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis
      Saying all conspiracy theories are false would be illogical.
      It would indeed. Read through my posts, and you will find I never said anything to that effect.

      Quote Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis
      Conspiracy theories are neither true, nor false.
      That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You should start following your own "Don't group all conspiracy theories together" logic.

      Quote Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis
      Speaking of which, did you even read what I said about how not to get the government and people in the government confused?
      Sure did. Did you read anyone else's response?

      Quote Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis
      "They knew", wow, you sound just like a 9/11 crackpot theorist except you are on the other side of the playing field.
      They...uh...did know. In case you didn't notice, they flew two planes into our buildings. It wasn't on accident, I can tell you that. People planned it. People knew. Nothing mysterious, nothing new.

      In addition, no one in that country denied that they did it. Think they would have happily taken the blame with the full knowledge that they didn't do it?

      Quote Originally Posted by ArcanumNoctis
      Whether 9/11 was an accident or not doesn't matter, that is the past.
      It baffles me that you can possibly call a plane hijacking an accident. Or even any of those preposterous conspiracy theories. How could anyone bomb a building on accident?



      Anyways, do you believe 9/11 was an inside job or not? Because you're really confusing me.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Noogah View Post
      It would indeed. Read through my posts, and you will find I never said anything to that effect.



      That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. You should start following your own "Don't group all conspiracy theories together" logic.



      Sure did. Did you read anyone else's response?



      They...uh...did know. In case you didn't notice, they flew two planes into our buildings. It wasn't on accident, I can tell you that. People planned it. People knew. Nothing mysterious, nothing new.

      In addition, no one in that country denied that they did it. Think they would have happily taken the blame with the full knowledge that they didn't do it?



      It baffles me that you can possibly call a plane hijacking an accident. Or even any of those preposterous conspiracy theories. How could anyone bomb a building on accident?



      Anyways, do you believe 9/11 was an inside job or not? Because you're really confusing me.
      Wow.

      I think I'll go talk to a brick wall now.
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      Lol Lakona nice : D , great video : D

      At 9/11 topic: Noogah, I have only one question for you for a start. Why did the world trade center 7 collapse even though it wasn't hit by a plane?

      What I personally think that happened is backed by 1241 architectural and engineering professionals.

      Spoiler for facts:


      For detailed info, videos, articles, pictures for every point above visit AE911Truth.org (architectural and engineering professionals).

      For me it seems clear, I wonder if I'm being mislead with disinformation though, maybe someone can 'debunk' claims above.


      E: random quote "The great masses of the people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one." - Adolf Hitler
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      For me it seems clear, I wonder if I'm being mislead with disinformation though, maybe someone can 'debunk' claims above.
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      Conspiracies do happen, it's just that people don't care, care to know or it becomes an everyday natural occurence. People are either mostly dogmatic or mostly rational. When you find yourself laughing, for example, at "crackpot conspiracies" just because they are called conspiracies, you should know that you're failing in your cognitive faculties. You can't suceed everywhere, but staying always sceptical, and always looking for factual evidence on any matter, as opposed to concentrathing on assumptions or only listening to propaganda of any kind, would be a nice thing in this day and age. It's the way the world works... I mean, just some time ago I read a classified report, leaked by Wikileaks, from CIA, instructing Eruopean media to do more stories of islamic discrimination of women etc. to ignite more public support for military action in Afghanistan and Iraq. It's this sort of bullshit and way worse that's happening in the background, and to me it's not really a surprise; but I don't like it.

      Anyway... If anything, an interseting read on conspiracies I stumbled upon: 33 conspiracy theories that turned out to be true
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      You know, I think this is funny in a fashion. That people don't think that these large "conspiracies", which I really just label as people with a collective interest, are grouped together. But they forget one thing, and that is the discipline a human being can have, and they forget this, because they themselves do not have it . In fact, I would generalize that every person who objects to all conspiracies, does not have a lot of discipline, which is why they couldn't imagine the level of discipline involved for an individual to have if they were involved with such a group. You see though, you can train discipline from an early age, which is why such collective interest groups, such as the ones behind banks, often push the ideas, motifs, and thought patterns through the generations, just as your father, and mother pushed their belief systems onto you. Now, many would argue that their father and mother did not have impact on you, say, they object to all their mothers and fathers beliefs. But the very fact that you push away from those beliefs, means that you are being affected by them . So what does this mean "conspiracy" wise. All those people that supposedly have gotten together randomly, and formed these massive organizations to subvert the world their own interests, why, it isn't random, it isn't coincidental that they have gotten together, because their parents have taught them, have trained them into coming together, into forming connections with like minded people along the same goals. The problem is, that many of these goals often rise out of such ideas such as elitism, racism, and other superior thinking ideas. We see it in history quite clearly with WW2, and how the regime guiding Germany was very elitist in thought, and how everyone was connected, and how this changed the world. And yet, we think that this does not exist anymore, that this level of interconnection, across the world is impossible. I mean, its not like you can send an instantaneous message across the world, right? Its not like you could have super cryptographically secure systems sending these transmissions, right? Its not like this could ever arise out of the military industrial complex, right? That that system wouldn't try and keep itself continuous, right? Think about the ecology of the world, with regards to human behavior, instead of looking at individual conspiracy theories, and anyone will see that a mass group of people with like minds, and the correct amount of discipline, could accomplish anything. But in any case, this is all about to change.
      All of experience is fun for me, whether in a dream, or in reality, because I love existing, learning, and continuously evolving and sustaining. Then again, who knows, I may not enjoy existing so much if I caught a face full of buckshot from an angry farmer. But hey, at least I'd got out with a bang.

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