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Torriatte
You just made my point for me......he does have a problem that he should not have to have.
Whether he should have it or not is no one's problem but his.
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It must suck to have that "tolerance and sensitivity" crap thrown in your face...doesn't it? Welcome to my world.
Well, if you are tolerant and sensitive toward others, you don't tend to have that problem. Sounds like a personal problem.
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Liberals and Progressives have used that tool for a long time....If you don't agree with them...you're an intolerant racist homophobe with tolerance issues.
I am neither liberal (by modern standards), nor progressive. But you are being an intolerant homophobe.
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I'm just having fun with the debate. Personally I don't give a flying rat's ass if they're boffing each other in the showers. They're the ones who will have to wear Depends by the time they're 40
When all else fails, claim you're just having fun, say you don't care, then make an egregious and erroneous claim.
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Originally Posted by
Torriatte
Oh...so if I disagree with you....I get called names. Hmmm....Idiot, bigot...you forgot asshole, racist, moron, jerk, pussy, loser.
The truth does not travel in favorable ways sometimes.
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Your logic is quite flawed.
Irony...I smell it too.
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You made the IF / THEN statement and did not back it up with anything but your OWN personal bias and hatred for those who don't embrace YOUR diversity! What happened to you embracing MY diversity? Or...is that just for the bigots to have to endure?
You threw out a blatantly false claim as an insult as if it were truth.
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If you are really enlightened and open minded, you would gladly allow me my opinions
We are allowing you your opinions...
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without calling me names, and trying to marginalize me.
...but this statement does not follow the one above. We may allow you your opinions, but no one said we had to be nice about it.
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Therefore you must be gay, since you so actively defend the opposite position. Therefore nothing I can say or do will ever change your mind about what you are "entitled" to.....can it?
What a rather strange assumption. We cannot defend homosexuality without actually being homosexual?
Since you are so adamant in your hatred of homosexuals, let me take a large stretch and assume that you are a closeted homosexual, wrapped up in a whirling hatred for the truth.
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You were doing ok in the debate until you started calling me names. When you do that, you instantly lose. This is not your high school. You can't win here by calling people names. It only makes you look like a child.....and an intolerant child at that. You wanna start over??
You began posting with insulting claims right off the bat. As far as I'm concerned, this never was a debate.
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Torriatte
You obviously can't read. I never said anything about being raped.
What else would your paranoia-stricken man be afraid of?
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If you had bothered to READ what I said....I used the analogy of a guy in High School being allowed to shower with the girls IF he promised not to touch them. I asked if you thought the girls would be just fine with that....or if they would feel violated. I got NO answer from you. Your point (as usual) is about calling people names when they are not embracing your diversity. Sorry....I can be tolerant without embracing it.
Well, if you had bothered to READ what I said, you would have noticed that I explained the different between school children and soldier-aged people. Your point (as usual) is about telling people they haven't read your posts while playing the victim.
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It's not about him RAPING them....no.....just him being in there with them would make them VERY uncomfortable, even if he was tied to a chair and couldn't move. Just being vulnerable and knowing that someone "could be" fantasizing about you, when you're standing naked in front of them...is enough to make this not about fear of rape, but about TOLERANCE, and SENSITIVITY. Perhaps when the tolerance thing is working against what YOU want it's not quite so important is it?
By your reasoning we should never leave our houses because someone may think we look nice in our clothes, and, well, that would just be uncomfortable.
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You should maybe think about how the OTHER people feel....who would be forced to shower in the presence of an openly gay man.
Their fear is their problem.
[/quote]You can deny it all you want...but I believe that MOST men (straight) would be quite uncomfortable getting undressed and showering with an openly gay man next to him. It's not about getting your ass raped.....it's about sensitivity to other people and THEIR rights to feel secure and comfortable in their own shower space.[/quote]
We can all be openly straight but not openly gay right? Your double-standard card is laying face-up on the table.
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The whole shower thing is just one example....the barracks is another.
We're not talking about whether we can be friends with these guys, or whether they would watch your back in a firefight.....this is about....tolerance for straight people's feelings. That should matter just as much as tolerance for Gay people's feelings....right???
You're right, both sides should get their due. But you're not giving gays their due.
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Torriatte
Oh, well if she was a totally "average" girl.....watching me shower...she'd definitely be touching herself. Still I'd rather she was not there, because it would make me uncomfortable and self conscious. Having a large penis doesn't automatically mean that you're a free spirit I guess.
Step 1: Tell people they aren't reading your posts.
Step 2: Fall back on the "tolerance" position
Step 3: Stroke your own ego.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: Profit!
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Torriatte
Tolerance must go both ways.....
Tolerance is a dual edged sword.
Wow! It's like you knew what I wrote before I wrote it.