Anybody watching this stuff? Crazy.
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Anybody watching this stuff? Crazy.
so how about american idol? super bowl in a week or two!!!!! what the hell are you talking about
Yes! I'm also watching Obama and Hillary saying it's up to the people of Egypt to decide what happens next, yet the people are demanding Mubarak's outage and he's not leaving. He thought firing his entire administration would make them happy LOL.
I thought that was hilarious. :chuckle:Quote:
Originally Posted by SpecialInterests
That man is as good as gone. He might as well start packing his shit, now. I also thought it was interesting to see how well-respected the military is, as opposed to the police force. It's kind of ironic that, even though the military is sent in to keep the protesters at bay, they are still met with a certain level of respect (at least, that's how it's been portrayed).
The shots of all the people on the bridge - pushing back the police officers and vehicles through the clouds of tear gas - are amazing.
Not just Egypt, Tunisia and Algeria as well. I heard Yemen and Jordan were acting up too, the whole area is going apeshit.
I heard about Tunisia, but I didn't know it was so widespread.
They were talking about how the police stations in Egypt were being raided, and the police were actually changing into civilian clothing as a means of escape. Lol. It's almost poetic.
Yea for sure, I mean I read something that said soldiers were being dragged out of their patrol vehicles only to have protesters salute them and groups of them offering protection. Quite impressive like you said, considering they are there to suppress them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
They've shown one man getting shot (allegedly dead) in the street. I just hope that some sort or resolution is found, before things turn even more deadly. Hell, Mubarak has had, what, a 30-year reign? I'd say that's about long enough.
People should not fear their government. Their government should fear the people.
Well done, denizens of Egypt.
People don't just give up control after that long, and he seems to be digging in. Things are getting to a turning point where real violence might break out. In that case, he may never surrounded his position, until they cut of his head and hang out from out a window.
real violence? a man has already been shot dead!
One man shot dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by AustralianFire
Fucking entire army with machine guns.
One man.
You ain't seen nothin' yet.
As much as I hate to say it, given the numbers, it could be much, much worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by AustralianFire
I am speaking more of a tank firing into a crowd of people. Yes there is violence, but if something like that happens, you will quickly understand what I am talking about.
it could be alot better as well, we will see what happens.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I was in Egypt a couple of years ago. Wish I'd talked to some more people about politics.
By the way I heard BBC say 27 civilians dead.
i heard it was at least 30 now
I've been watching this. It's pretty unnerving. If Egypt had lots of oil we would be "bringing them Democracy" right now, but they don't. The Egyptian leader is not a terrible guy compared to some of the other dictators around the world. He's not mentally insane, what worries me most, is what will replace him. Will it be a stable government, or will it be a madman hell-bent of destroying Israel? The current guy doesn't like Israel, but he knows the limits of what he can do about it. I'm worried an attack on Israel from Egypt will push Palistine and a few other countries to join them. The Israelis have a hell of an army, and the UN behind them, but it'll still be a bloodbath.
The pattern is extremely interesting though; remember the Iranians were protesting about their autocrats last year, too. Much of the Arab world has started showing a largely peaceful desire for democracy of its own accord (without the holier than thou 'leaders of the free world' having to force it upon them via killing a few hundred thousand people).
Anybody know why the citizens are so upset with their leader?
From what I gather, they are sick and tired of living under such minimal means (the average Egyptian makes about $4 a day), and Mubarak's 30-year rule. They are sick of martial law and the police force being notoriously heavy-handed and even torturous to the citizens. Basically, they are just tired of his shit, and they're apparently not going to take it anymore. Heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drokens
Well damn! Good for them!Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drokens
However, the death toll has risen to 'at least 62 dead, at least 200 injured,' according to CNN. Getting uglier by the minute...
It's not, that's just updated information. The police, which were the violent element, have disappeared from the scene in Cairo. The Army are now controlling the crowds, and they're on friendly terms with the protesters.
They are not really controlling the crowds, though. Not completely, anyway. In some areas, yes, they have quelled a bit of the chaos, just by being there, but many of the soldiers themselves don't seem to know what side they are on. If worse comes to worse, as a commentator said, I couldn't really see the soldiers - so well respected - firing tank shells into mobs of their community members.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Also, there are many areas where there is actually no authoritative presence at all. Many people in Cairo have armed themselves with whatever they can find, and are roaming around in make-shift militias, trying to protect their property and neighborhoods. There's been talk of motorcycle gangs going around and looking people's houses, and I've been watching video of mobs of people, like 20-30 deep, roaming around the streets of their neighborhoods at night, armed with sticks, golf clubs, rifles, etc.
Hey Ninja I was thinking about that too. This whole thing could have huge implications for the Isreal/Palestine conflicts. If a left-wing for-the-people government gets in they will almost certainly side with the Palestinians. What I fear most is a right-wing washington candidate replacing Mubarak.
However I think the chances of a government hell bent on destroying Israel is pretty unlikely. You make enemies with Israel, your making enemies with the US. And Egypt has long standing good relations with the US.
That has never stopped them from fighting Israel in the past.
Well the great likelihood is that if anything they are going to elect a moderate government.
Yes! YES!
Who says anybody is going to be elected...Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Al Jazeera is covering this live if anyone wants to keep track of developments:
Al Jazeera English: Live Stream - Watch Now - Al Jazeera English
Hence the 'if anything'. ;VQuote:
Originally Posted by Spartiate
I disagree, although Egypt is pretty moderate because of it's mix of religions, but there are lots of fundamentalist from both religions. The fundamentalists are a minority, but very aggressive politically. I think one of them will take control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Well I'm just going on what the BBC's foreign correspondent said.
Opposition member and Nobel Laureate ElBaradei has just joined the protests.
I have a friend in Egypt who's on Facebook. This is what she posted a few days ago. Haven't heard from her or seen her on FB or MSN since.
This is pretty crazy. FB blackout so the news of what's going on won't spread.Quote:
Bullshit!! facebook is shut down, can't even SMS people or receive texts, WHATS NEXT?? wtf is wrong with this government! just step down, you are not wanted. people in this country are treated like worthless beings :s everyone deserves to be treated like a HUMAN BEING w/ the same rights as anyone else. And yes i had to sign on thru some kinda proxy server my friend told me about. This is crazy!
Edit: There's a blackout across all social networks, cell phones and IM'ing services in Egypt too. :(
I just heard that they plan on having the police return tomorrow, though the way they just fled and seemed to disappear off the face of the earth the other day, I am not sure how that is going to work out.
Yeah, they had actually shut limited cell service back on, yesterday. Dunno if it's still on (haven't checked the news yet), but it had been out for a few days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff777
Not very well, I'm thinking. Hell, many of the police stations have already been burned out and/or looted for weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
I think any government that tries to black out information, most especially when its people are protesting, is an oppressive government that doesn't belong any longer in this day and age. Would the American government try to do the same? Maybe. I also hate how the American news network has tried to take this genuine revolution happening in Egypt and transform it into an "American problem" of more "instability" in arab nations. All this talk about potentially losing an ally, what petty garbage!!! Egyptians deserve our support!
I also think its totally awesome how grassroots and instant this revolution was, the same with Tunisia, it was practically over night! Maybe only a week ago the Egyptian people didn't think they had it in them, let alone the capacity to organize themselves in the manner in which they have. This is a testament to the strength, will, and determination of the human spirit.
I also think these recent revolutions happening in the north Africa illustrate that all people, of any nation, want the same basic rights. They also illustrate the importance of coming together, not just as a nation, but globally. Why is it so important that the Egyptian people insure that their videos get online? Is it just so other Egyptian people can watch? No, they want the whole world to know about what they are doing. This isn't just an Egyptian revolution, or a Tunisian revolution, or an Algerian revolution. This is becoming a global revolution. Because as one nation watches, that nations thinks "can we do the same?". And it has to be a global revolution, because a lot of these problems are global. We have a global market screwing everyone over.
All together this spells out a deep desire for peace among all human beings that transcends national borders. A global peace that, thanks to the demonstration of north Africans that the average man does have the will, and is obtainable within this decade. (if we get off our asses!)
Its governments and artificial institutions (religious organizations) that lie to us and tell us we have enemies abroad. No we don't! Were all human! Were essentially the same! And thanks to the internet that helps to create a global community, this will become more and more evident, even in the most oppressed places.
What of America? The "greatest nation of all" that continues to support a minimum wage that keeps millions at poverty level, or below? America will be one of the last nations to have her own rebellion, because of how apathetic and largely ignorant her people are. But America is slowly waking up to the truth she doesn't want to hear, that we have an oppressive government that oppresses us through lies and deceit, undermining our constitution. Thanks to middle easterners and north Africans, I think America will wake up quicker than most realize. Just like a revolution can spark over night.
Yeah.. I'm pretty late to the "clued in folks about Egypt" party. ^___ ^;Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Get with it, Obama's currently trying to pass legislation that will allow for a similar 'internet kill switch'.
Then we better be ready to rock and roll on the streets!
I heard about his pushing for a national internet ID card. Is what you're saying related?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
What I admire about Egypt right now is that they have the balls to do this. Back a country so far into a corner and strip them from things that they're crying out for and then you get a revolution. American's have way too many distractions to even know about (or care about) what's going on outside of their homes and jobs. Give American's another season of Jersey shore and they'll shut the fuck up. That's what ticks me off. American's won't do what the Egyptians are doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by juroara
Yeah, I was thinking about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff777
That would be a scary situation, though. I believe if American cities/states started revolting like that, there would be a bloodbath. We're fucking crazy, yo.
Newsflash: COICA bill would censor internet. Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Thankfully, some senator from Oregon filibustered the shit out of that bill. Before this, it was ACTA, which had similar censorship powers initially (plus a handful of new brutal measures), but has since been severely diluted. As far as I know, it hasn't passed, but is still on the table.
Yeah, this is really unlikely to happen in America. Everything is too comfortable for a revolution. Things sounded like they were complete shit in Egypt and I'm sure that pushed them to revolt. Here, things are much too comfortable for revolution. Maybe if they took our television away or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
Haha. I agree. :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drokens
If the internet and phone service got shut off though, that would be it. People in America would go crazy. Shutting down the internet was probably the worst thing they could of done, because then all the young people lose that huge distraction and all they got is protesting.
I think that the reason that it never will happen in America is because people think it will never happen in America.
My psychiatrist is originally from Egypt. I don't see him again until 02/07. I don't know if he still has family over there. An older brother lives here, but that's all I know. I hope everyone's okay.
Jeff, I hope you hear from your friend soon.
Thanks Zhaylin. Me too. ^_^
Following the news right now, sounds like things are going crazy down in Egypt and also Jordan apparently. Maybe we should just have an islamic revolution right now and get it all over with.
Yes, the King of Jordan has sacked his government and promised reform, mainly as a pre emptive move against a situation like that in Egypt.
FREE SHOWERS IN EGYPT!
just kidding. I think it's amazing to see the people going as long as they have been with the protests.
Follow the story 24/7 here.
Man, this is just fucking crazy. Just the images of over a milllion (est.) people gathering in the square at night is insane, by itself. But just the way everything plays out is incredible. Of course, Mubarak comes out and tries to keep himself in office for as long as he can, but he's met with nothing but more outrage. They say they are going to protest for as long as they can, and one man was talking about plans to storm the Presidential palace by Friday.
Never seen anything like it...
It was a couple of hundred thousand, but yeah, it's awesome stuff to see.
Haha. Yeah. That's what I figured. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Mubarak just said he wouldn't run for "reelection" next term (supposedly in September). The guy is freaking 82 years old, I'm surprised he still wants to be in office for that long.
Some people never learn to share their toys. Lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartiate
It sounded like he was preparing to leave soon and leave things to his son, before any of this even happened. So its just his plan he had to start with, switching out his son with someone he might think make a good puppet. I don't really see the people accepting that.
Looks like things are getting even worse now, with pro-Mubarak groups clashing with the anti-Mubarak groups. Men riding in on camels with clubs and other weapons, beating up protesters and journalists; speculation that many of them are being paid off by the government...craziness.
Lmfao, now that's my kind of dictatorship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I just saw some guy pwn himself with a Molotov Cocktail, after trying to throw it on a building. It was just a random guy in a wide shot of the clashing crowds, and I don't even think the network noticed it. He ran off camera, engulfed in flames. Lol. Wow.
Over 600 people wounded in this latest clash, alone.
Well in any endemically corrupt state there will be plenty of people with vested interests who are by default in the pockets of their autocrat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I hear Egypt is nice this time of year. :)
There are reports that all the pro government protesters keep attacking people, and reports that some were caught with police and government ids on them. Seeing as how all the police and security people disappeared days ago and still haven't appeared, it seems very likely that they are the ones who are causing the trouble. I mean the government even said the police were going to return but instead of them returning pro government protesters appeared instead.
So they showed a police van mowing people down in the street, yesterday, on CNN. A buddy of mine posted this on Facebook, and at first I thought the first vid was going to be the same one I saw. It wasn't. :?
My friend in Egypt was online today.... : politics
Shit is crazy, man...
Before seeing all of this stuff happening I knew pretty much nothing about modern day Egypt. But following this story over the past week or so and seeing these people protest has been quite inspiring. Where many other parts of the world would descend into complete anarchy, a lot of these protesters have stood their ground and stayed true to their cause. They could go mad and tear the country apart in anger, but they don't want that. They want a peaceful country with a leader who will treat them well. That isn't too much to ask. :P
I have a lot of respect for these people. I'm sure they'll get exactly what they want in the end, I just hope they get it without any more bloodshed.
There, no one has a gun. Imagine how different it would be if it took place in some where like in the US, where half of them owned guns.
Exactly. I can't even imagine what it would be like, if that kind of shit went down, here. :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
Also, this:
"Thugs" destroy Al Jazeera office in Cairo
Well the protesters there can't really do anything, so they are just sitting tight in that main square. Some people were thinking of raiding the presidential palace, but realistically they can't do it. If he has any loyalty from the military they would all be gun down in front of the building. If half the protesters had guns, I suspect that would go for it. That is probably why its a protest and not a revolt. If you are unarmed and can't do anything, you protest. If you got weapons and can fight, you revolt. Of course, a revolt is far more bloody.
The fact that you have a gun doesn't mean you can take on an army.
An unarmed mob can't take on an army either, but an army can't exactly shoot at an unarmed mob (they can but they would lose popular support forever).
People in Iraq do it all the time. The population of America is probably better equipped than the insurgents in Iraq, and we are talking a hundred thousand people at once, not a handful at a time. They could most definitely take on the army. I think the army would avoid it regardless of what the crowd was made up of, since shooting a bunch of people will always cause a huge outcry against them.
Also, flamethrowers.
I have actually known people from some other forums who have built home made flamethrowers and cannons and stuff. They even showed pictures of them. Believe it or not, in many parts of the US its legal to own high powered weapons, flame throwers and cannons and stuff. If you could afford it, it is even legal to own tanks. It is actually very easy to go out and buy body armor and an assault rifle and boom, your equipped like a solider yourself. It would only cost you a 1000-2000 dollars. Armor piercing rounds are legal in most places too.
People in the US are nuts. You don't want to see that sort of stuff break out here in the US, people will die and our army has no way to stop them.
This whole situation is exposing Washington for the beast it really is. They're encouraging Mubarak to hang on, and pretty soon the protesters are going to be so worn out they'll accept the next puppet that's offered to them. By the sounds of what Hillary is saying, Suleiman is Washington's next favourite. The people need to do something fast. I fear this is not going to work out very well in the people's favour if they do not FORCE him out.
Washington is making clear signs that they want Mubarak to go...
I'd argue differently. They've atleast been tacitly enocuraging him to hang on. If they really supported democracy in foreign countries, since day 1 they would have been condemning Mubarak's choice not to step down immediately. Can you think of a better reason why they would not be harshly condemning his actions in every public statement? I think the reason is to wear the protesters out, so the movement loses momentum. If that happens it's much more likely for the Egyptian people to accept another puppet.
If they've made any such clear signs they want him to go they've been extremely weak, unqualified, and overall not convincing at all. If anything it's probably to pacify the American masses to make it look like the US government supports what the people of Egypt are doing. I mean, they obviously acknowledge he needs to leave eventually, but its clear to me at least dragging it out is something in their interests. Just my two cents.
They can't really turn against him, or the other dictators in the world we support will know that we don't actually care about them.
(Possibly) worse times on the horizon, after that inflammatory speech by Mubarak. I can't imagine what's going to happen now...
There's something fishy going on. What im seeing on the news is so heavily contradicting with images i see, i cant help but think our media is either in control or purely getting its information from american capitalists.
Elaborate? :/
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Originally Posted by Dthoughts
Yes. Please do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
From what I've gathered, out of the phone call with the U.S. Ambassador to Egypt, is that Mubarak has "stepped down" only in the sense that he has 'delegated authority' (which has been a phrase danced around and left vague, even by the ambassador) to Vice President Suleiman, who is said to be nothing more than a 'twin' of Mubarak himself. Mubarak hasn't shown himself to be in a position that completely denies even himself power. Even the ambassador refused to answer the question of whether or not Mubarak retains the authority to retake all power, at a time of his choosing. Face to face interviews with people that are actually in the square are pretty much confirming that what Mubarak did was not enough, and restating (in their own words) what the media has told us (or, at least, what CNN has said. I haven't checked any other outlets on the speech yet).
It's basically the equivalent of the entire country storming the White House and demanding for the entire Obama Administration to leave office now, and then Washington releasing a statement saying that Obama is going to 'delegate authority' to the Vice President (who is a part of that administration), without saying whether or not he will actually be retaining any sort of power for himself.
But if this is a misinterpretation, please let me know what you're seeing, from your side?
I heard that Omar Suleiman is also the head of the country's secret police, don't know if that's true though. If it is, then like Oneironaut says, I don't think he'll be any better for the Egyptian people than Mubarak. :P
So Mubarak isn't stepping down (until September).
I really hope he doesn't expect to stay in office for another 7 months.
Tomorrow is looking like the day when things come to a head. Mubarak's statement was both a tacit expression that he believes he has consolidated his position (I'm not sure what O means by 'inflammatory speech' though), and he looks to be trying to manufacture the event that will confirm that consolidation: tomorrow there will be more than ever on the streets, and this time they will be looking to up the game, to the extent that the army can no longer remain a neutral party.
Interesting fact: Mubarak's personal wealth is more than 40 billion dollars. From what exactly? It's almost comical.
You would think he would just take his money and leave. It doesn't work like that though. Once you been the dictator of a country for 30 years, it isn't about money, its all about power.
I mean that in the sense that his speech was exactly the opposite of what the people protesting in the square (along with the C.I.A.) were expecting him to come out and say. It was inflammatory in the sense that Mubarak knows damn good and well what the people are asking for, and he's not only ignoring their demand that he leave (not ambiguously 'delegate power', but leave), but he's insulting the Egyptian people by saying that the charges against him aren't those of the Egyptian people, but simply those of international influence. He is basically sticking his fingers in his ears and going "LA LA LA LA LA" and trying to barter his way out of completely relinquishing power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
There is no way he going to leave, I think his actions are clear by now. Either people are going to have to go into the presidential palace and physically drag him out, or there is going to need to be a military coup.
I think it'll either end up with Mubarak being dragged out (either by citizens or military), or by him getting the fuck out because, you know, getting lynched kinda sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alric
this guy mubarak is really an ass. when i clicked on the news and saw he was not leaving until semptember all i could think was what an asshole. maybe he hasnt seen how serious these egyptians are...hopefully USA does the right thing. i also get the feeling that mubarak and israel and us are all in collusion or something..
Apparently the US gives 1.3 billion dollars every year in military aid to Egypt. Could he have been keeping some of that for himself?Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
Hopefully the USA does nothing and lets the Egyptians sort out their problems themselves...
Also I think Mubarak will die of natural causes before anything, he's in his eighties...
... lets start a pool?
I bet £20 he slips in the shower!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartiate
Give a date.
I say he's out on the 25th of the month.
The 14th of February, Valentine's day. A day of love, and.... death.
If this actually happens, I will go crazy. :panic:
A week. Maybe.
Mubarak has just stepped down and left Cairo. Wow.
So much for slipping in the shower. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by heavy sleeper
Now we see what replaces him...
Yup. The military high council will take over for a while. Hopefully they maintain the level of dignity that they have shown, throughout the ordeal, long enough for a suitable leader to come forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spartiate
:banana::breakitdown::party::panic:
Awesome news... I have so much respect for these people. By sheer peaceful people power they have swept away their oppressors... this is a truly revolutionary event, and it seems to be a new kind of phenomenon.
Everybody is of course now praying that the military acts as a force for peace, but their conduct and the power of this movement are good signs.
So do I win the pool? My bet was the closest.
Sure if you ignore the one that was closer. ;V
Most of those countries of course have an insurmountable number of problems. With the government side-stepping the allowance of education and provide a positive foundation that would in turn allow for a positive infrastructure and catalyst for some economic growth. The shear reality is just by looking at the difference between a lot of Arab countries and Israel. Israel’s 2nd Prime Minister Golda Meirer made a determination that Israel will not continue an agricultural thought process. The Aggregated farms offered absolutely nothing of value to the world mainly because they were in the desert. Amidst this, Israel decided to change direction and if the country was going to thrive and have a future they needed to incorporate technology and education as an essential part of their lives.
Now examine in contrast Israel’s scenario to the thought process of an Arab that rather lives in the 17th century. One huge downfall here is that half of the uneducated population happens to be under the age of 21 and are well… uneducated. Such a large portion uneducated such as this is extremely dangerous because of its shear vulnerability and extreme ease of influence by terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and others that despise anything westernized. However, as they say “it is what it is” and most of the under 21 population have no idea of the Millions upon Millions provided to the Palestinians and Egyptians alike as well as other Arab countries and prominent groups. Of course many times much of the money was never used to accommodate the populace but was instead kept by those in power. It all just sucks to no end. Hopefully with Mubarak stepping down, someone who actually gives a damn will take his place.
That post said February 14th. Mine was "a week." That could be any day within the week, not merely Sept. 17th. I never specified :cheeky:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xei
To be fair we give so much aid to Israel which they use for their military, that the other countries need to spend their aid on their military to defend them self. Probably would be smart if we stopped funding the military of countries that hate each other. It would be a lot cheaper, it probably would stop a lot of the conflicts in the area, and it would probably help stop the governments from being so corrupt.
It is nice to see that Mubarak had some common sense. I suspect he saw that the military council was meeting without him, and decided that he probably should leave before they tried stepping in.
Mubarak's Swiss Assets Frozen - WSJ.comQuote:
BY DEBORAH BALL
ZURICH—The Swiss government froze assets possibly belonging to departed Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak and his entourage Friday, marking the latest efforts by the Alpine nation to crack down on illicit holdings in its banks.
The Foreign Ministry said Friday the government had frozen "any potential assets" belonging to Mr. Mubarak and his "associates." The freeze goes into effect immediately and lasts for three years.
A ministry spokesman declined to say how much money was involved or ...
Bitches net worth is between 40 - 70 billion US dollars. Yet his country is poor as shit. Yeah, his ass needed to go.
Hey I'm surprised no one mentioned this yet but February 11th (1979) is the anniversary of the Iranian Revolution. The day the US-backed Shah was overthrown. Coincidence?
Is it really? Interesting. :-?Quote:
Originally Posted by SpecialInterests
As an aside; it's also my mom's B-Day. Heh.
Interesting indeed! Iranian Revolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The royal regime collapsed shortly after on February 11 when guerrillas and rebel troops overwhelmed troops loyal to the Shah in armed street fighting"
You know, with 'coincidences' like this, it's no wonder that people of the world take an interest in conspiracy theories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiki
Happy birthday, Oneiro's mom!Quote:
Originally Posted by Oneironaut
I must say that is messed lol.
Ever since that fateful day Iran's been an enemy. When the Shah were in power even people like Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Kissinger argued that Iran was going to need a strong nuclear program in order to meet it's future needs. Probably to support extraction of their vast quantities of oil and gas and support the modernized industrial system they would have built. Not to mention Westinghouse and General Electric would have scored a nice contract. Oh how things have changed.
aldkfalk Im late!
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congrats to Egypt!
Speaking of Iran....I don't think the protests in Iran are going to go over quite so peacefully. The Lawmakers are already (literally) amassed in the Parliament building fist-pumping and screaming of the opposition leaders "EXECUTE THEM! EXECUTE THEM!!" in unison.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpecialInterests
This could be baaad.
You know.. I watched those two opposing groups of male thugs in that square in Cairo and I realised that I wouldn't wish to live in any society ruled by either of those two sides. My doubts about the protestors were compounded when I read the news of that poor female TV reporter who endured a "20 minute sexual assault" at the hands of a group of male thug "pro-democracy" demonstrators. I think that the Egyptian people deserve better than either of the two mobs I witnessed fighting.
Libya's falling apart in a pretty chaotic fashion. There's random violence from random sides all over the place, but the general picture is of Gaddafi's power disintegrating, and there are some reports that he fled the country yesterday.
House of cards.
OK so shit's whack over in Libya, this is pretty much what would have happened in Egypt or Tunisia if their dictators were any meaner. Gadhafi is a rambling madman who has no intention of stepping down and is blaming the unrest on drugged up youth that are in league with the devil...
Now I'm usually the last person to advocate for other countries to intervene in a country's internal affairs, but it's clear that nobody wants Gadhafi there anymore and even elements of the army/security forces are defecting to the protesters' side. In response Gadhafi has hired foreign mercenaries and attacked civilians with warplanes and warships. Reports indicate that he plans to leave the country's infrastructure in shambles before being ousted, which would mean decades of recovery for the country.
The UN could easily intervene in the form of a military action to prevent needless death and destruction in what will be an inevitable outcome anyways, but this would obviously cause complications regarding Libyan sovereignty and the overall progress of the protests in the rest of the Arab world.
Also hah Shoe-Thrower's index - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Saw that today, thought it was awesomeQuote:
Dear rioters,
Please don't destroy the pyramids, we will not rebuild them for you.
kthnx
-The Jews
I think it's a bit late for the Jews to be worrying about their work. I mean, just look at what those rioters have done to the sphinx! A lion with a man's head? What the hell?!
http://egypt-dreaming.com/sphinx/ima...ried-color.jpg
Looking more closely at the face, I think it's actually a tribute to Michael Jackson.
Juicy!
Egyptians have ransacked the Secret Services archives and have found some interesting/awful/insert-adjective-here stuff. LOTS of sex tapes, including one of a Kuwaiti princess and an Egyptian businessman, pictures of the corpses of children, etc.
Probably the most interesting for us: @wikileaks For those asking did US @BarackObama know of #AmnDawla torture -they knew and rendered terrorism suspects to Egypt to be tortured
If you want to follow, search for #amndawla on twitter.
Is the Kuwaiti princess hot and is it going to be on Wikileaks?