Sooo wish I was a girl.

Has anybody ever wished that they were the opposite gender. I wish I was a girl, as I think I would be much better at it. I think socializing would be easier for me if I was a girl. I'm not saying that it is easier for all girls to be successful socially. I'm just saying that I think it would help me a lot. The main guy from Synechdoche New York said this and I found myself identifying with him in many ways. I'll never act on this feeling though, because I'd like to avoid being labeled a freak by most of society.

Also, boobs would be a fun thing to have.

Anybody feel the same way? Male or female?

I can't remember ever seriously wanting to be a girl, but I can understand where you're coming from. If you don't mind me asking, are you gay?

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I can't remember ever seriously wanting to be a girl, but I can understand where you're coming from. If you don't mind me asking, are you gay?

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I'm extremely confused


So bi.

I love being male.

I wish I could switch genders for a day and have fun with it. But I wouldn't want to be a girl for an entire lifetime.

it would be fun to have boobs. but not on me, like in a drawer or something. lol im kidding XP. ive never wanted to be a girl forever but a day or two would be cool

Okay... Girl for a day would be cool, but only because I'm perverted.

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it would be fun to have boobs. but not on me, like in a drawer or something.

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I just fucking lost it wtf!

Girls can be really mean to each other though. I think socially guys get a long with each other a lot better than woman do.

I'd like to be a guy for a day or so, just to see what it's like.

I think girls actually have it tougher socially. While us guys are always dealing with being shy vs. being bold, girls tend to deal with things on a more rank based level. Social status and all that jazz. Even meeting cool REAL men can be tough. The hotter you are, the more you have to deal with men putting on a show and not being themselves. If you talk to some beautiful women about this, you'd be amazed at what they'd tell you about their perspective and experiences when they are truly opening up to you. Definitely, not everyone's the same, but many people in our society deal with similar issues and problems.

But if your reasoning is sexual preferences, I can certainly understand where you're coming from. I love being a man, however, it isn't exactly something EVERYONE wants to be. I believe that as you continue to go through different life experiences, you'll learn more about what you prefer in many situations. These experiences will show you your preferences :)

I'd like to jack off as a girl :D..... i mean REALLY jack off XD

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I love how mature this conversation is getting.

I've heard good things about menstruation.

I think women definitely have it harder in today's society, so I wouldn't want to be one permanently...at least, not in this day and age. Add in that I'm attracted to women, and...yeah. Not much good can come of that.

On the other hand, were things more equal and lesbians in greater abundance, and I didn't have to go through the whole genital mutilation surgery bit, then yeah, I think it could be fun. :3

Yeah I'd agree that women have it much harder in today's society. There's so much pressure to be beautiful, and girl cliques are vicious. At least that's how it was in Mean Girls...

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I've heard good things about menstruation.

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I hear it attracts bears. Bears can smell the menstruation.

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Has anybody ever wished that they were the opposite gender. I wish I was a girl, as I think I would be much better at it. I think socializing would be easier for me if I was a girl. I'm not saying that it is easier for all girls to be successful socially. I'm just saying that I think it would help me a lot. The main guy from Synechdoche New York said this and I found myself identifying with him in many ways. I'll never act on this feeling though, because I'd like to avoid being labeled a freak by most of society.

Also, boobs would be a fun thing to have.

Anybody feel the same way? Male or female?

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There's nothing wrong with feeling this way. If you really want to "go through with it", one way or another, then don't let society stop you. It's a good thing that you're exploring these parts of your personality, and talking to other people about it is very rewarding, as opposed to just thinking about it all the time.
Personally, I also sometimes felt like I wanted to be a girl when I was younger, it's always been something I've thought about, but now I'm pretty confident in my gender and sexuality. Like many others, I wouldn't mind trying out the other side, but it's not really something I burn for. Maybe you'll end up feeling this way too and just be an ordinary bisexual person, maybe you won't.

I hope you figure things out :)

I think it would be fun for a while, but being physically weaker would probably get annoying.

And how many guys get raped compared to girls, like seriously.

As a transgendered person, I'll be glad to help if you can give any more details. From what you've said, you don't sound exactly transgendered, but I'm not sure.

The main thing that's throwing me off is the "boobs would be fun" thing. I don't really want them because I want to have fun with them, I just feel that they'd be more... natural. How long have you felt this way, and do you have any other examples? It's a pretty serious decision to go through hormones (if you decide to go that far at all) and it's definitely not something to do for fun.

Also, you should probably consider discussing this with a therapist.

I'd like to be a girl, but only if I had good parents. If I could be girl who wasn't raised to be a mindless idiot I'd be down. Having boobs would be awesome. plus men's clothing is pretty bad looking.

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I'd like to be a girl, but only if I had good parents. If I could be girl who wasn't raised to be a mindless idiot I'd be down. Having boobs would be awesome. plus men's clothing is pretty bad looking.

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If you think men's clothing is bad, you simply need to widen your horizon.

I didn't mean to say it's all bad, just that women have better clothes. More options.

But a lot of mens dress clothes or buisness attire or whatever you wanna call it looks stupid in my opinion.

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I'm extremely confused


So bi.

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You're not bi if you're confused (but you could be confused because you're bi). Sexuality is mostly genetic, or at least can't be changed due to one's desire to feel one way or the other. Thus, you definitely are gay, straight, or bi, you just don't know which yet. EDIT: Or in between, of course. The point is your conscious confusion has no effect on your innate preference.

Anyway, I've never wished I were a female permanently or seriously. Boobs are nice, though.

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You're not bi if you're confused (but you could be confused because you're bi). Sexuality is mostly genetic, or at least can't be changed due to one's desire to feel one way or the other. Thus, you definitely are gay, straight, or bi, you just don't know which yet.

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He might have yet to place himself on the Kinsey Scale, too. It can be hard figuring out where you land when puberty is kicking in.

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it would be fun to have boobs. but not on me, like in a drawer or something. lol im kidding XP. ive never wanted to be a girl forever but a day or two would be cool

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That was frightening.

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Girls can be really mean to each other though. I think socially guys get a long with each other a lot better than woman do.

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Definitely. And I get along better with guys than I do with fellow females. Less drama

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As a transgendered person, I'll be glad to help if you can give any more details. From what you've said, you don't sound exactly transgendered, but I'm not sure.

The main thing that's throwing me off is the "boobs would be fun" thing. I don't really want them because I want to have fun with them, I just feel that they'd be more... natural. How long have you felt this way, and do you have any other examples? It's a pretty serious decision to go through hormones (if you decide to go that far at all) and it's definitely not something to do for fun.
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Yeah, that was just a joke. Boobs play virtually no role in this desire.

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You're not bi if you're confused (but you could be confused because you're bi). Sexuality is mostly genetic, or at least can't be changed due to one's desire to feel one way or the other. Thus, you definitely are gay, straight, or bi, you just don't know which yet. EDIT: Or in between, of course. The point is your conscious confusion has no effect on your innate preference.

Anyway, I've never wished I were a female permanently or seriously. Boobs are nice, though.

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Yeah, I guess I'm just confused more than anything.

Even if you do want to be a girl, it doesn't mean you're gay or bi.

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Even if you do want to be a girl, it doesn't mean you're gay or bi.

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Yeah, they're really separate issues. I wasn't going to bring it up sexuality until I was asked. I feel like I'm confused about both, but separately.

I think the two are often related, but neither is directly caused by the other.

I used to want to be a male when I was younger. There are positives and negatives to both genders, of course. I find I don't naturally socialize the way more girls do, and think it would be a lot easier to interact with people if I were a male. If a male is quiet and stoic in a group, he's probably going to be judged to be intelligent and to have other good qualities. When I do it, it probably seems like there's something wrong with me. I won't go for walks late at night, even though I often feel a lot like walking at that time, and if I were male I might not be afraid. I also get the feeling guys are more likely to be taken seriously. Whatever people say, it seems more normal when a female is lesser in some way than a male, so when I lose an argument or something, although I might feel bad for my own reasons, I probably don't feel as bad as I would if I were male and more likely to be judged. I also sort of enjoy the fact that not as much is expected of me in certain areas. Like with computer programming, when I do really well people are more likely to be amazed than if a male did well.

Overall, considering everything, it's probably a bit easier to be female. I don't at all want to be male, but I don't think I associate myself with my gender as much as other people do. I mean, in my head, while thinking to myself, I 'm neither male nor female. I just don't think of myself in that way.

I'm good being a guy.

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I used to want to be a male when I was younger. There are positives and negatives to both genders, of course. I find I don't naturally socialize the way more girls do, and think it would be a lot easier to interact with people if I were a male. If a male is quiet and stoic in a group, he's probably going to be judged to be intelligent and to have other good qualities. When I do it, it probably seems like there's something wrong with me. I won't go for walks late at night, even though I often feel a lot like walking at that time, and if I were male I might not be afraid. I also get the feeling guys are more likely to be taken seriously. Whatever people say, it seems more normal when a female is lesser in some way than a male, so when I lose an argument or something, although I might feel bad for my own reasons, I probably don't feel as bad as I would if I were male and more likely to be judged. I also sort of enjoy the fact that not as much is expected of me in certain areas. Like with computer programming, when I do really well people are more likely to be amazed than if a male did well.

Overall, considering everything, it's probably a bit easier to be female. I don't at all want to be male, but I don't think I associate myself with my gender as much as other people do. I mean, in my head, while thinking to myself, I 'm neither male nor female. I just don't think of myself in that way.

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May be just my opinion but i think life is easier being a girl. Guys think with their dicks. I dunno...maybe i'm just looking too far into some things. I was listening on the radio and they say 80% of women flirt to get out of trouble or get things cheaper from stores. Maybe someone has studdied all this male vs female things, i dunno. Guys seem to get more respected by other guys when talking, although that does not work like that for me. I'm more i respect everyones opinions and stuff offline. Online is online, anyone who judges a person how they really are as a person including offline by how they act online is not very smart.

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If a male is quiet and stoic in a group, he's probably going to be judged to be intelligent and to have other good qualities. When I do it, it probably seems like there's something wrong with me. .

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When I'm quiet in groups I don't really feel like people think I'm more intelligent for it. It always makes me feel weird.

Ya when Im quiet in a group people just think Im weird as hell. I try to avoid hanging out with people anyway.
I have also noticed that girls are taken less seriously in conversation which I think is cultural baggage from simpler times.

Being a male or female both have their advantages but I would still want to be a man.
Also if I could be a girl for a day why not?

I like my penis. We get along quite well. I have wondered about what it would be like to be a girl for a day though (as others have said).

I like being a guy, though I'd like acting in some senses like a woman, but not actually have a gender change.

Eeewww! damnnn. I worship women, but hell, I could never even imagine ever wanting to be one. Hell no!!!!!!!!!

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Eeewww! damnnn. I worship women, but hell, I could never even imagine ever wanting to be one. Hell no!!!!!!!!!

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Hunh. I can understand this post.

Alright, who hijacked Philosopher's account?

*Slowly raises hand*

Nah I'm kidding, I'm completely fine with all this.

I've never wanted to be a guy. I like them a lot, more so than girls, but it doesn't make me want to be one.

I think things would be simpler being a guy though. When guys fall out, they scrap for a bit and then it seems they're best pals the next day. Girls bitch and bitch and bitch and it fucks with my head. Maybe that's just highschool though. I can't really think of anything else at the moment but I like being a girl, though I kinda hate girls who are obssessed with pink, ruffles, and dress like barbie. That's just me though.

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Hunh. I can understand this post.

Alright, who hijacked Philosopher's account?

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Yeah, I've been noticing that lately too about his posts. They used to all sound something like:
"The real question is whether or not the layers of neurological excavation will reside entirely within the given grammar system."
Lately, some have been making sense.

Did Dianeva just crack a joke...? :O
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Can't say that I'd want to be a girl. Maybe for a day but not for the rest of my life.

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He might have yet to place himself on the Kinsey Scale, too. It can be hard figuring out where you land when puberty is kicking in.

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The good news is you don't have to place yourself. Just do what comes naturally.

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Eeewww! damnnn. I worship women, but hell, I could never even imagine ever wanting to be one. Hell no!!!!!!!!!

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You'd have cooties forever!!!

Being a girl's neat, since it's way more socially acceptable for us to assume male roles. Fuck, it's often encouraged. Depends where you look, of course.

Also, feminine anatomical characteristics are generally more aesthetically pleasing (leading to great possibilities for cross-dressing).

And we live longer.

So that's three for three.

It's an interesting thought. I am who I am, and don't want to change that, yet I also would like to see a day or two in the life of a the other gender. Just to be able to put myself in their shoes. So, echoing what seems to be the common response in the thread.

Mind you, I've had several non-lucids recently. The first time, I was like "sdr,jhskdlfjhn??? Penis???" the second time I was like "Oh. Penis. Right.... *touches it*" And the third time I just didn't care.

I'm happy being a girl though :D

I've had one dream in which I had one ... it scared me in the dream because I thought it was real and was really disturbed and stressed, it was like a nightmare. Then when I woke up I was so happy that it was only a dream.

I have very occasionally wondered what it would be like to be female out of curiosity, but I'm glad to be male myself.

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Hunh. I can understand this post.

Alright, who hijacked Philosopher's account?

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Clearly you have finally understood the fallacious nature of Plato's claims. It's all an illusion of your egocentric nature. Abstraction is the key to solving this. Search for the truth.

(I guess this is what Philosopher is actually like without the faux intellectualism and constant misuse of words in an attempt to sound smart.)

Alright, stay on track now, kids. Leave Phil' alone.

It does not bother me. Sour grapes are grown world wide.

I like how nobody here seems to realize that you CAN test-drive the opposite gender.

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I like how nobody here seems to realize that you CAN test-drive the opposite gender.

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Wut?

@OP: then be a girl.

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Wut?

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he means that you could conceivably try being a girl for a while, if you wanted.

I guess I should have worded my question a little better.
Hao?

Lucid dreaming, anyone?

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Lucid dreaming, anyone?

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Except in a lucid dream you are just role playing your expectations of the other gender not actually experiencing it for what it truly is.

That's true for the most part, but gender is mostly a social convention, it's mostly expectations. But true that you can't really try it out or ever really be a girl even if you had surgery.

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Lucid dreaming, anyone?

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I fail to see how your mind making a best-guess attempt about what it would be like equates to a 'test-drive'. You've no idea of how thought processes and experiences might differ, or the many social and physical differences that you likely have an incomplete knowledge of. It's like saying if you turn into another animal that gives you actual experience of being a different animal. It doesn't.

We're not talking about something like flying here where your mind borrows your existing knowledge and experience of sensations like gravity, acceleration, and wind resistance and applies it to a different situation.

Exactly, it was just another way of saying ignorance can be knowledge.

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It's like saying if you turn into another animal that gives you actual experience of being a different animal. It doesn't.

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That might be why he said "test drive".
Okay, you can't know fully what it would be like living as the opposite sex or a different animal, but neither can you know what it would be like to own a car by taking it for a test drive, or be the oppisite sex by taking it for a test drive too.
A test drive isn't supposed to give you every detail of the car, every possible future problems you may encounter, every emotion you may experience along side it.

If it weren't for my religion, I would have a sex change and become 'lesbian'. So yeah. I hate being a guy most of the time. Just wish I was born female.. ._.

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That might be why he said "test drive".
Okay, you can't know fully what it would be like living as the opposite sex or a different animal, but neither can you know what it would be like to own a car by taking it for a test drive, or be the oppisite sex by taking it for a test drive too.
A test drive isn't supposed to give you every detail of the car, every possible future problems you may encounter, every emotion you may experience along side it.

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Way to miss the point.

If I test drive a car, I get to experience how the car actually drives, and get a feel of how it performs. You know, that's kind of the entire point of taking it for a test drive. It's not designed to be the be-all and end-all guide to owning that car.

Changing your gender isn't like taking a test drive. It's the equivalent of a very vivid daydream where you imagine yourself driving a sports car. Obviously a daydream (or a dream) is useless for determining how a car performs because your brain makes it up.

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Obviously a daydream (or a dream) is useless for determining how a car performs because your brain makes it up.

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It makes it up with what it already knows though? So, surely, if somebody already had a fairly good knowledge of something (a certain car in this instance) the brain would make up something according to that knowledge? Therefore not making it entirely useless?

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If it weren't for my religion, I would have a sex change and become 'lesbian'. So yeah. I hate being a guy most of the time. Just wish I was born female.. ._.

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This made me lol. Just curious how would being female improve your life? The grass is always greener on the other side y'know.

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If it weren't for my religion, I would have a sex change and become 'lesbian'. So yeah. I hate being a guy most of the time. Just wish I was born female.. ._.

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If you so desire, I can try and help you lose that religion. ;-P

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If you so desire, I can try and help you lose that religion. ;-P

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Indeed. We've got a whole community of happy helpers to improve your life. :D

I wouldn't mind experiencing a female orgasm, but I would want to switch back quickly before having a period.

I understand where the rest of you are coming from. I'm sure your brain isn't going to do an absolutely perfect job of replicating the life of the opposite gender, but lucid dreaming is the closest one is ever going to get to experiencing the actual thing, and I'm sure that it would be realistic to such an extent that it might as well be the real thing. If you're skeptical, then try it and see for yourself. If your mind doesn't create an accurate enough representation of what being the opposite gender is like, it doesn't necessarily mean that it won't work for somebody else.

I would expect that the subconscious would do a pretty good job of replicating the social factors in being the opposite gender, in addition to the personality and emotions that the opposite gender would generally have and experience. It would simply require your subconscious to place yourself in the position of the other gender. The social interactions that you encounter in the dream are already handled by those that your subconscious sees and picks up on in real life. And we already know that emotions are very strong in lucid dreams, so the mind most likely wouldn't have too much trouble recreating the suspected and probably correct emotions/personality of the opposite gender.

The subconscious is very skilled at creating new realities even if that reality has never been personally experienced. And for the example of test-driving a car, really, who cares if it's not exactly the same as the real experience? It certainly feels as real as if you were to have actually done it. If you were hoping to experience the real thing, then you would obviously have to experience the real thing. No amount of subconscious accuracy is going to create the real thing, but it can come pretty close to it.

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It's like saying if you turn into another animal that gives you actual experience of being a different animal. It doesn't.

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The only thing that would give you the actual experience would be to die and be reborn as that animal. That's not my concern when it comes to gender. My point is that lucid dreaming can provide a pretty good guess at what being the opposite gender is actually like. And it's certainly more accurate than daydreaming, since you are consciously creating those scenarios as opposed to working from what your subconscious creates. Imagining that you are flying feels nowhere near as real as lucid dreaming that you are flying, and the experience itself differs in that your subconscious creates the scenario, thereby incorporating the aspects of that reality which you haven't consciously thought of.

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This made me lol. Just curious how would being female improve your life? The grass is always greener on the other side y'know.

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Explain how I amused you? And I'd be able to be myself more freely. I find it hard to express that with a male body.

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If you so desire, I can try and help you lose that religion. ;-P

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Oh, but I don't desire that. Sacrificing the truth is sacrificing my place in heaven. I will not do that. No amount of yearning for a different body will change that. It will have to remain something unobtainable in the real world, and something which stays with my lucid dreams.

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This made me lol. Just curious how would being female improve your life? The grass is always greener on the other side y'know.

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I wouldn't say improve his life, though he would be happier because it's easier for women to express their feelings than it is for men, specially if you're sorta feminine. But he could still be feminine, he could give a shit about what other people think but that's hard, specially at work.

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Remain relevant or I will delete your whole family.

Annnnnd I wish I was a boy.

I've considered that if I moved to America that I could beforehand go to the gym for a few months and concentrate on exercises that develop musculature similar to the other gender; then go over, and crossdress, and for strangers on the street either I would be seen as the opposite gender or transgender and thusly experience different societal reactions which would be quite informative, even if it wouldn't be so sustainable in proper conversation. Then again with the right hair and chest clothing it might be somewhat viable even at closer inspection.

i`m a male and i would not want to change my gender. i`m happy with what i have in this life :)

The last post reminded me of this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY

I think it would be very intresting to be a girl..

I honestly have a very hard time. I have some gender issues myself. I'm really good at being a guy, and I have no problem playing the part. And most of the time it doesn't feel like I'm pretending to be something I'm not. If I were a girl, I would still act the way I do now most of the time.

But I struggle knowing what I am inside is not exactly what I am outside. Sometimes I have this horrible feeling like I'm just not comfortable in my skin. And I try to ignore this feeling until it goes away. I wonder what avenue I can take toward total self-acceptance. I wonder if I have to become what people would call a freak in order to be truly happy. I suppose it's worth it. I've already crossed Freak Road and found many people are accepting of me, and the people who are not were never worth my time to begin with, and it's far easier to spot these worthless people when you wear a Freak's colors boldly. It becomes easier to surround yourself with good people when you give yourself an appearance that judgmental people find distasteful.

But I still have trouble reconciling. If I were gay, it would be easier. But I don't know what I truly want. I love girls. I love being able to fuck them. I wouldn't want to give that up. But I want to be comfortable in my skin someday.

Tom Gabel, is that you?

I recently read that article in Rolling Stone. I don't know if that's where I'm headed or not. But I empathize with him.

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I wonder if I have to become what people would call a freak in order to be truly happy. I suppose it's worth it. I've already crossed Freak Road and found many people are accepting of me, and the people who are not were never worth my time to begin with, and it's far easier to spot these worthless people when you wear a Freak's colors boldly. It becomes easier to surround yourself with good people when you give yourself an appearance that judgmental people find distasteful.

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Amen my brother. <3

I wish I were a girl but at least I'm tall, dark, and handsome.

Being a dickgirl might be fun.

Man im certain that being a woman can be ok,but if one day im gonna wake up and see 50 different pairs of shoes in my cupboard im gonna shoot myself.

Well it could be nice to try and be a girl for one day ,but even if I could do that I am not sure I would truly want to try it out. I think that we shouldn't try to change ourselves that much just because the neighbor's grass looks greener. We should accept who we are and keep living our lives happy. Even though I am not saying that you shouldn't change your gender if you feel that you should have been born as the opposite gender. Just think if that what you really want before you do such a thing. Anyways just do what ever makes you feel right and happy.

Then again people seem to have this tendency to suggest that all grass has equal levels of greenness, which I think is not true at all.

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Well it could be nice to try and be a girl for one day ,but even if I could do that I am not sure I would truly want to try it out. I think that we shouldn't try to change ourselves that much just because the neighbor's grass looks greener. We should accept who we are and keep living our lives happy. Even though I am not saying that you shouldn't change your gender if you feel that you should have been born as the opposite gender. Just think if that what you really want before you do such a thing. Anyways just do what ever makes you feel right and happy.

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Something puts you off about trying out the opposite gender. That feeling you get from this idea, that is how some transgendered/sexual people feel all the time. Their life basically feels incorrect. This isn't all of them, probably a relatively small amount, but those are the ones you hear about the most. An even smaller segment of this group actually goes through with a transition. To understand why they would go so far, simply get a grip of that feeling you get, when imagining being the other gender, and imagine that all the time, pretty much from the moment in your life you disover that boys and girls are different.

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Then again people seem to have this tendency to suggest that all grass has equal levels of greenness, which I think is not true at all.

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Well I am not sure if it is greener ,but I think we can both agree it has pros and cons. In my opinion (and that is just my opinion) it is hard to judge something from the side because sometimes you can't see the whole picture. Lets look at the amount of the information a person can get at himself and at another person. Lets call the first person "The Observer" and the second person "The Person" (as you can see I am very creative with the names I give :P ). Now "The Observer" can hear "The Person" and he can see him. He can hear stories about him from other people and by that sometimes get information about what people think about "The Person" which "The Person" might not know. Now "The Person" not only can hear what he says and see himself , he is also able to feel his body which "The Observer" couldn't do because he is not "The Person". In addition "The Person knows what feelings he is aware of, what sounds does he hear and what sights does he see. Now if you also add the memories, thoughts, dreams, perspectives and much more information that "The Observer" doesn't know you get a huge gap between the information each party has about the second party. We compared two general people , we didn't mention if their gender is different or not. Think how the gap between the information each of them have on "The Person" would grow if one was a boy and the other a girl. I am not saying that the genders are equal and I think that everyone can believe what ever they wish to believe , but just be aware of all the things you don't know and then do your thinking if it is better to be the opposite gender or not :) .

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Something puts you off about trying out the opposite gender. That feeling you get from this idea, that is how some transgendered/sexual people feel all the time. Their life basically feels incorrect. This isn't all of them, probably a relatively small amount, but those are the ones you hear about the most. An even smaller segment of this group actually goes through with a transition. To understand why they would go so far, simply get a grip of that feeling you get, when imagining being the other gender, and imagine that all the time, pretty much from the moment in your life you disover that boys and girls are different.

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The thing that puts me off about it might be that I know that being a girl doesn't fit me. Just like transgendered people doesn't feel right about being their gender I don't feel right about being the opposite gender. As you said this group is a minority and since it is that way I think that the majority should just be happy with what they are and not be miserable about what they could be.

Why wouldn't you transition if it improves your life quality?

Who said it does? If it would have improved my life quality maybe I would ,but I just don't see how it can benefit me. It seems to me as a waste of energy and money. Even those who feel they want to go through transition don't get such a better life quality from my point of view. That is because some groups in society mock them and look down at them. Even though I do believe that if your truly want to do such a thing you should ignore what everybody else says and do what ever makes you feel right about yourself.

I wouldn't mind being an attractive girl.

But... If I had to be a girl that was around the same level of hotness as I am as a dude... I'd pass.

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If my desires were so straightforward that I could tell what would improve my life quality, I'd be all for it. Unfortunately, the two sit in conflict. I'm not a woman trapped in a man's body nor am I something inbetween. I feel drawn to both the masculine and feminine polarities, and I do not wish to embrace one and remove the other, nor to transform into some sort of hybrid of the two. Rather, I think I'd prefer to just go with the flow, and use my conflicting desires as a vehicle toward spiritual growth. Having this unobtainable desire makes me understand the nature of desire itself.

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I honestly have a very hard time. I have some gender issues myself. I'm really good at being a guy, and I have no problem playing the part. And most of the time it doesn't feel like I'm pretending to be something I'm not. If I were a girl, I would still act the way I do now most of the time.

But I struggle knowing what I am inside is not exactly what I am outside. Sometimes I have this horrible feeling like I'm just not comfortable in my skin. And I try to ignore this feeling until it goes away. I wonder what avenue I can take toward total self-acceptance. I wonder if I have to become what people would call a freak in order to be truly happy. I suppose it's worth it. I've already crossed Freak Road and found many people are accepting of me, and the people who are not were never worth my time to begin with, and it's far easier to spot these worthless people when you wear a Freak's colors boldly. It becomes easier to surround yourself with good people when you give yourself an appearance that judgmental people find distasteful.

But I still have trouble reconciling. If I were gay, it would be easier. But I don't know what I truly want. I love girls. I love being able to fuck them. I wouldn't want to give that up. But I want to be comfortable in my skin someday.

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This was posted a while ago but I just read it now. Holy fuck, switch the genders in this and almost everything you said I can relate to.

I'm completely fine with being female, but feel that the way I think and the way I often want to express myself involve some things which are typically more masculine. Sometimes I think it would be easier in some ways to be male. Being socially withdrawn wouldn't feel as awkward, since men are more likely to be judged as awesome mysterious lone wolves instead of... just being rude, as I feel I'm often judged. There've been too many instances in which I'm with a group of people and am not talking much, and someone asks why I'm being so quiet, and I have a male friend who is also in the group but is talking even less than I am and no one thinks twice. I'm not naturally very expressive and putting on fake expressions feels wrong, but only women are expected to be expressive, so if I were a man I wouldn't have that problem either.

There are many more, but I definitely wouldn't say I'm a man trapped in a woman's body, because in many ways I feel comfortable being female. I'm attracted to males (mostly, although I think my level of attraction to females is higher than most women's). I like wearing dresses and pretty ornaments and things. I have a terrible sense of direction and a good memory (typically female traits). I can be really emotional and tend to concentrate on my feelings a lot, but I'm also quite logical and try to use reason everywhere and am good at math, which is more typically associated with males. I'm not sure how many of those things show real differences and how many are just cliches, but my point is that I generally feel like a mixture of both genders, and the acts I put on wouldn't be as difficult, in some ways, if I were male.

There's a certain quality which most females have but which I perceive myself to lack. It's... a socialness, girliness, I don't know how to describe it. I've been wishing recently that I had it, because I feel people would like me more, but when I think about it, it just wouldn't fit in with the rest of my personality at all.

I'm not sure where this post went, lol.

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It went through your browser, down a series of tubes, into the DV server, back through the tubes again, out through my browser and off my screen into my eyeballs.

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Has anybody ever wished that they were the opposite gender. I wish I was a girl, as I think I would be much better at it. I think socializing would be easier for me if I was a girl. I'm not saying that it is easier for all girls to be successful socially. I'm just saying that I think it would help me a lot. The main guy from Synechdoche New York said this and I found myself identifying with him in many ways. I'll never act on this feeling though, because I'd like to avoid being labeled a freak by most of society.

Also, boobs would be a fun thing to have.

Anybody feel the same way? Male or female?

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you know, i reckon as much as you want to, it may be totally different and not what you expected so youd hate it! but if you still feel this way in 5 years. Get a sex change ;p

I wouldn't mind being a girl for a week or two to see what it's like, but I think the boobs would be much more cumbersome than you'd think, plus I doubt it would be easy for me to part with Senior Pepe, I love him. <3

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I honestly have a very hard time. I have some gender issues myself. I'm really good at being a guy, and I have no problem playing the part. And most of the time it doesn't feel like I'm pretending to be something I'm not. If I were a girl, I would still act the way I do now most of the time.

But I struggle knowing what I am inside is not exactly what I am outside. Sometimes I have this horrible feeling like I'm just not comfortable in my skin. And I try to ignore this feeling until it goes away. I wonder what avenue I can take toward total self-acceptance. I wonder if I have to become what people would call a freak in order to be truly happy. I suppose it's worth it. I've already crossed Freak Road and found many people are accepting of me, and the people who are not were never worth my time to begin with, and it's far easier to spot these worthless people when you wear a Freak's colors boldly. It becomes easier to surround yourself with good people when you give yourself an appearance that judgmental people find distasteful.

But I still have trouble reconciling. If I were gay, it would be easier. But I don't know what I truly want. I love girls. I love being able to fuck them. I wouldn't want to give that up. But I want to be comfortable in my skin someday.

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I doubt my life would be easier if I was gay/bi but I completely agree with this post. The only problem I have with Self-Acceptance is that it's impossible. To accept yourself you need to be accepted by your friends or peers on some level. And when it comes down to it that isn't self-acceptance. Humans are just to socially oriented to be able to be content with what only they think of themselves.

I think it is difficult because we do depend on other people to some extent. But I think we can accept ourselves even if we still have to hide our true identities to some extent. I've heard enlightenment describes before as the completely understanding that to the very core of life, everything is just fine. I agree with this. Even if you live in conflict between your inner self and the self you present to the world, that's okay. You're allowed to be a little conflicted, and you don't have to torture yourself because of it.

Being a woman for awhile would be quite the experience. It would be great to have a different perspective on reality. The different brain set up would provide me allot of exploration of the emotions they go through.

I would not like their clothing because i have sensory issues and would not be able to wear the tighter clothing many wear or the high heels. Because the brain would be different from my own, I would likely develop a new sexuality and stop being asexual. That would be an odd adventure.

Being a girl makes as much sense as being a man in my reality. It would be cool to be able to shapeshift between the genders, in case one day i went crazy and needed to be away from people who could recognize me for awhile.

I would LOVE to be a female! have been a crossdresser forever and would love to have boobs!

Yep, To wake up from a nights sleep to find i have changed sex...I'm not sure how anyone could understand how overwhelmingly happy I would be in this situation. Has been a dream of mine for a rather long time.

For the record I would definitely be bi as a female.

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I think women definitely have it harder in today's society, so I wouldn't want to be one permanently...at least, not in this day and age. Add in that I'm attracted to women, and...yeah. Not much good can come of that.

On the other hand, were things more equal and lesbians in greater abundance, and I didn't have to go through the whole genital mutilation surgery bit, then yeah, I think it could be fun. :3

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This post is almost three years old, and now you have a female symbol for your gender status. Did you go through with the change? (It might be a while before you read this, if you ever do.)

I was born female and, biologically speaking, I still am 100% female... but I identify as male and plan on taking hormones and going through surgery in the future. :)

I'm still at a loss how far I'll be taking things. Rereading this thread, before I advocated that it's okay to be in conflict. Now I'm thinking I may actually try switching genders. Well, I'm taking it at my own pace. I'll start off by openly crossdressing more often. I know I feel happier and more comfortable dressing up in a dress and make up than a tuxedo when time comes to dress up, and when it's time to dress casually I'll probably keep wearing boy clothes.

I may or may not take it a step farther and begin hormones. Like I said, one step at a time, and only as I feel comfortable. I only live once, and I may as well try out the female gender even if I'll sound like Dr. Girlfriend. I can wear girl clothes for a year or something if I fucking want to, after all. From there, I can grow a pair of titties if I want to, too. I'll still be just as tough as my life experience has necessitated, but girls are allowed to be tough as nails too.

You look totally awesome in a dress, go for it!

Would be nice to not be sexually harassed and discriminated against. There are too many things I like about being female though, and I definitely identify as one in my mind, so no to the permanent thing. Just a days switch would be enough.

I have been playing with the thought for a while, I'm not sure if I would want it for the rest of my life but a couple weeks or something could be really fun.
I guess I could make this a goal in future lucid dreams. :cheeky:

We should all be bisexuals. I hate the fact that there's loads of interesting and cute guys around that I'm missing out just because I'm only attracted to girls. Once again, it's not all about sex and romance but there always tends to exist a line (even if we are the ones who create it) between best-friends and loved ones.

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We should all be bisexuals. I hate the fact that there's loads of interesting and cute guys around that I'm missing out just because I'm only attracted to girls. Once again, it's not all about sex and romance but there always tends to exist a line (even if we are the ones who create it) between best-friends and loved ones.

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I agree with this, although I'm only attracted to girls, this still would make sense being neutral, if everyone was bisexual it would actually be quite fantastic for everyone.

I'd be such a slut lol

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I agree with this, although I'm only attracted to girls, this still would make sense being neutral, if everyone was bisexual it would actually be quite fantastic for everyone.

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People would still get jealous and possessive.

LucasPotter and OP (and others that don't mind answering):

What makes you feel that you truly are a man/women and not the gender your body is? This is something that fascinates me: is it a sense of not identifying with some (how should I put this) self-generated image of what your current gender looks like? For example if I found out I was homosexual it would be because I would feel attracted to people of the same sex. But what would make me feel like I wasn't really a man? I suppose the answers will vary, but personally I can only conceptualize it in terms of not identifying with my body (a very poor analogy, but like I was a child in the body of a giant), or with some general view of the gender my body was (like a girl who's traits would identify her as a boy if you had never seen who she was).

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I'm trying to find the proper chart showing the various scales of gender, this is the best I can come up with. If you look up gender spectrum and scalar fields and the like you'll find plentiful variations of categorizing everything and I invite you to look up the different maps people have made for them, but this chart will do well enough for now. As you can see gender is divided into 3 categories: physiology, identity and expression.

To define my own ambiguity, which will vary from the next genderqueer and transgendered person, my upset is more with gender role and identity, which feeds into norms and binary concepts of gender expression. Personally, I fit somewhere in between on identity and expression. Currently I feel safer and less vulnerable hiding in masculine self expression and a male gender role, and ignoring the rest of it, so that's where I reside until I can find myself among trusted friends again who are more supportive and less judgmental than my family. And what it comes down to for me is finding a mode of expression that makes me feel most comfortable and secure. For the same reason if a girl feels like shit, she'll dress herself up a little to make herself feel more confident, a little girly flair also increases my confidence and makes me feel more comfortable.

I simply don't feel as my authentic self when I act rigidly masculine. To be completely free requires something, the best way I can describe it is like a feminine flair on my expression, not necessary as flamboyant and limp wristed and lispy like a queen but something more musical and less direct. I don't have to wear tight pink pants and glitter every day, you know, but I want the freedom to play with stuff like that and decorate myself as I please without it taking away from masculine qualities.

Ever since i was a young child i felt like i wanted to be a Girl. To answer Zoth's question i feel very similar to OP. I don't feel like myself while acting in my gender identity. Being Strong and the muscular man's man just never felt like who i really was, even though i never done anything cross dressing wise, I dream often of being Female. Unfortunately i am scared to tell family or friends about this. I am surrounded by family that Love me but a lot of family and people who I know and actually care about who might judge me. My mother's one of the nonjudgemental ones though when in tears at the age of 11 came out and confessed this to her she just said it was puberty and sexual confusion. :( I also live in the bible belt and you can guess how LGBT is viewed here, not to mention that i am only atracted to women like OP said so it's been something iv'e had to wrestle with very often, iv'e been fighting it for most of my life. Thank you Dreamviews for being tolerant and open minded.

Sweet Dreams,
Stintman <3

This audience is probably too sophisticated for the no-brainer "shocking facts" in this article but I figured I'd deliver it for your pleasure, anyways

5 Shocking Realities of Being Transgender the Media Ignores | Cracked.com

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I hope that's an attempt to appeal to our stupidity by feeding our egos and you don't actually think this audience is sophisticated. :cheeky: I will never give up the opportunity to read a posted Cracked article.

I just think the shocking revelations the article brings to light are probably obvious to most people here, but possibly not.

Yea you're right it is not an easy thing to be transgendered, society is a bitch, a really cruel one. I keep my feelings to myself these days, I don't feel its necessary for me to show who I really am deep down to anyone out in the world because chances are they are closed minded and cruel, sometimes its better to just keep it in our own heads as hard as that is, there are worse things in life.

I used to think I would go all out of the closet and be my true self and undergo HRT or surgery, but then decided to just accept what and who I am and sort of bottle it up and keep it to myself, despite my feelings that come and go, urges to look like a woman, I remedy those feelings through the internet or gaming, to keep myself happy, or maybe im just not ready or never will be ready.

So, I'm a straight/confused person but I don't like women. I don't know what that means. I think I'm curious for all the desires possible that either sex can provide so I wonder, but most of my thoughts correlate to that of the male. I'd rather have sex with a man rather than female, I guess it what I'm trying to say.

I don't think being a female is all that great, MOST of the time, but I'd still rather be a female. Being a shy female is the worst. I once attempted to ask a guy out and it turned out HORRIBLE. I was tired of waiting for answers and he was giving mixed signals so I went for it. He turned into the BIGGEST asshole there is and made me the laughing stock of my school. I still like him is the irony in the whole situation, but being a girl can SUCK. No one lets things go, but with guys he's rewarded for his repeated mistakes!

Either way, both sides suck, I wish there was an in-between. Where we could decide when we wanted to be a specific gender. We'd have to have experience first, sort of like school, where we learn about different careers before we decide to choose a specific one. Then when we got older we could decide which gender we wanted to be. So many people would be happier and HOPEFULLY it would reduce the bullying.

I know what you mean jumpscreamfly, sounds like to me you identify more like in the middle, or fluid like where a person would like to present as both male or female depending in their mood or situation, that is called genderqueer or bi-gendered.

Some people don't feel like they belong in either gender and go androgynous or just identify as gender-neutral also.

For me my whole life being born male felt like a curse, like a cruel joke...I knew most of my life I was different from most, and it took me a very very long time to accept that I am essentially female in spirit and mind, and since my last post here have grown quite a lot and am beginning to make changes in my life to finally reach that goal of being a female that I have dreamed about since age 8 or before.

Anywho, I agree that people should be left to decide which gender they feel like you wrote, not everyone is happy with the birth gender, i'm sure its not a huge number of people but, its enough to be something society MUST recognize and society is now just beginning to really understand this issue.

How do you feel you identify?

For me its always female.

Guerilla, I identify myself as a female. I do feel comfortable, just sometimes if rather not be classified as one and made fun of as another. As if I don't see the masculine clothes I sometimes wear. Well, what everyone else passes as guys clothes. I just like pants and sweaters. People suck. I'd just rather not be anything sometimes. But I will say I am a female if I have to.

It hurts allot to live in this world with the feeling of not being oneself. For all of my memorable life I felt like an alien when grouped with guys. I was much smaller and always wanted long hair and somehow gravitated to wherever the girls where in just about any social setting. It was and still is a nightmare to have feelings that my own body defies. I went temporarily loony until I admitted to myself what the problem was. I also quite dislike how this worlds population freaks out when someone is abnormal.

*hug* I know exactly how you feel and had lots of stupid times where I decided drugs were the solution for long lasting happiness.

Glad that is behind me.