Let's Take Over the World

Let's all pretend, in this strictly hypothetical scenario, that we are bank owners. And let's say that over the years through shady lending policies we've managed to put a few governments in debt, and have plenty of people in debt over the course of their lives (we're wealthy, don'tcha know). What we're interested in is obtaining more power, because that's how we roll, and what we want to establish is a new sort of order in which as much control as possible is in our hands.

Now, we have plenty of politicians in our pockets and it isn't terribly difficult for us to pass legislation. We'll also say that because we make money off of the major oil companies, we support their interests too.

What would you do in this position if you were trying to exert more control over world politics and the peoples of the Earth? What policies would you enact, what wars would you incite, what other competing powers would you seek to eliminate (and so on) and how would you go about accomplishing that?

Let's make some wholesome discussions!

I wouldn't make a post if I was in that situation, instead I would wait for everyone else to post then eliminate them all as my competition.

I forgot to specify that you are all in this together. :P

And what I mean is...
Are there any drugs that you would not like the public to have access to?
Are there any organizations that could easily stand against you?
Are there any material resources in another country that you'd like access to and want to start a war over (but with smart publicity, a scapegoat and all)?

And so on of course..

Well, I reckon I would try to control as much of the resources and commodities. I would need to have control over the energy, the land, the water, and the food. I would lend people money to buy land but make it so they couldn't pay me back. I would then take the land. Because land is a real commodity. I would try to set up a one world government where we are in charge and set up global laws that override individual countries' constitutions and laws. Being inn control of the food and water will keep the people in control. I will claim that I own the seeds that grows the food. You will have to buy seeds from me if you want to grow food.

Anybody or any country that doesn't play ball and tries to assert their own sovereignty will have to be invaded, so we can take control of its resources, its citizens becoming slaves to our system, making us richer and them more dependent. I would not want people to have access to entheogenic drugs because then they will feel connected to the life-force, they must be dependent on us.

First and foremost, I would convince the oil companies to create a fake oil shortage, driving prices high enough that people will pay, but not so high as to make them stop using cars etc. And slowly, so that it doesn't seem insanely high.

This would give me even more money! I would at the same time create uncertainty about global warming by paying off scientists to create false studies and campaigns to vilify the scientists who are popular in the public global warming arena. I'l probably call it climate change coz it sounds less harmful.

I would also either
a) Finance several renewable energy companies, all in different areas (wind, solar, geothermal etc.).
or b) Get undercover people to work in these areas to sabotage their projects.
I would also finance scientists to create new batteries, and then buy this technology.

All this leads to more money.

Money allows you to do anything in politics.
So it depends on what you want to do.

Pretty much everything America's done so far is a good start. Fake reasons for going to Iraq so they can get oil, fake studies/organisations regarding "climate change" etc.

Things like loans lie around the top layer of the highly fragile thing we call civilisation. As soon as there is an energy crash or a similar event, and everybody is engaged in global or local warfare and starving to death, nobody is going to give a toss any more about what money they owe to whom or anything at all to do with fiat. The Banks will have no authority, and will be redundant and ridiculous. The CEOs will likely be involved in the same struggle in fact, once they work out they can't eat any of their Ferraris.

If I wanted to take over the world the first thing I'd be doing is encouraging a gigantic push for all sustainable technologies.

I'd call the plan stupid and wait for people to change currencies.

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Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I'd call the plan stupid and wait for people to change currencies.

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Which plan?

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Originally Posted by Xei

Things like loans lie around the top layer of the highly fragile thing we call civilisation. As soon as there is an energy crash or a similar event, and everybody is engaged in global or local warfare and starving to death, nobody is going to give a toss any more about what money they owe to whom or anything at all to do with fiat. The Banks will have no authority, and will be redundant and ridiculous. The CEOs will likely be involved in the same struggle in fact, once they work out they can't eat any of their Ferraris.

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Right you are! But don't worry, I have you covered. While the economy was becoming unstable we pushed for new legislation that allowed for these internment camps to be built all over the US (roughly 1,000 of them, each with occupancy of 100,000+), and all in the name of national security, in case order was temporarily lost. We put FEMA in charge of construction and ownership. The people may not care about the money they owe, but that's why we have indirect control of the military. It's a good thing we have banks all over the world too, and that the collapse of one nation will not wrench any considerable amount of power from us.

Play along Xei. Renewable resources will be useful after total order is established, but what will you do in the meantime while all the nations are fragmented and different powerful organizations resist you?

I say we make this more than just a hypothetical.

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Originally Posted by Invader

Which plan?

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The plan to essentially enslave people via banking practices. I think people would drop the currency used to control them before things got too bad. Or, if they did, it wouldn't last in the long-term.

Basically, I'm being a buzzkill. Go me.

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Originally Posted by Heavy Sleeper

I say we make this more than just a hypothetical.

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Patience, dear friend.

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Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

The plan to essentially enslave people via banking practices. I think people would drop the currency used to control them before things got too bad. Or, if they did, it wouldn't last in the long-term.

Basically, I'm being a buzzkill. Go me.

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You're not being a buzzkill. That point is relevant to our concerns. What do you suggest we do to not let that happen? Can we make the people so dependent on our economic practices, fellow banker? Is that decision of the public actually likely to happen, and how would they go about executing it?

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Originally Posted by Invader

You're not being a buzzkill. That point is relevant to our concerns. What do you suggest we do to not let that happen? Can we make the people so dependent on our economic practices, fellow banker? Is that decision of the public actually likely to happen, and how would they go about executing it?

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I'm being a buzzkill by calling this hypothetical scenario stupid :P

I don't think you'd be able to stop it. If a currency becomes useless, worthless, or even harmful, it's typically in the best interests of people to drop it and move on to a more stable one. Even if you manage to become all-powerful, there's no guarantee any progress will occur. I think you'd all end up like Zimbabwe.

Ok, so it's stupid. Does that mean that I'm trying to approach a problem that you think is absolutely unsolvable, or that it's just very difficult to solve, or that there are too many variables, or..? Help me out here. Because we've seen new currencies replace old ones, and all the while interest is still legal and the banking system remains intact.

We see plenty of people that remain in debt over the course of their entire life through college loans (one cannot declare bankruptcy on those either as I'm sure you're aware). A currency also does not have to be devalued in the wake of an economic takeover scheme. If the people remain dependent on a resource that we supply, and there is a labour force willing to take our money to execute our plans (whether that's construction or the hostile takeover of a small country that has further resources we require for new industry, media >> popular war) in what way would we fail specifically?

And I know there's no guarantee of moving forward. All of this is dependent on having a people that rely on us. If the society wanted to move onto agrarianism and drop consumerism, we'd be done. But thankfully for us bankers they enjoy their entertainment technology, and thankfully for us bankers we can put virtually anything on the television that we want to.

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Originally Posted by Invader

Ok, so it's stupid. Does that mean that I'm trying to approach a problem that you think is absolutely unsolvable, or that it's just very difficult to solve, or that there are too many variables, or..? Help me out here. Because we've seen new currencies replace old ones, and all the while interest is still legal and the banking system remains intact.

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To get to the crux of this scenario, what are you trying to do exactly? Centrally plan an economy? What are the "shady lending policies?" How do you plan to put governments in debt? There are so many questions to be asked that it's hard for one to just jump to "well here's what we can do."

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Originally Posted by Invader

Patience, dear friend.

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Originally Posted by Invader

You're not being a buzzkill. That point is relevant to our concerns. What do you suggest we do to not let that happen? Can we make the people so dependent on our economic practices, fellow banker?

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I have an answer, I'm not going to write it until I am done with the conversation in Lseadragons' witholding information thread.

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Originally Posted by Invader

Which plan?



Right you are! But don't worry, I have you covered. While the economy was becoming unstable we pushed for new legislation that allowed for these internment camps to be built all over the US (roughly 1,000 of them, each with occupancy of 100,000+), and all in the name of national security, in case order was temporarily lost. We put FEMA in charge of construction and ownership. The people may not care about the money they owe, but that's why we have indirect control of the military. It's a good thing we have banks all over the world too, and that the collapse of one nation will not wrench any considerable amount of power from us.

Play along Xei. Renewable resources will be useful after total order is established, but what will you do in the meantime while all the nations are fragmented and different powerful organizations resist you?

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To get people into the FEMA camps we would have to set up either a massive terrorist attack, or a huge natural disaster so that the people will go willingly. I would also let people use alcohol and prescription drugs. Prescription drugs because we own the pharmacies so we are just making money off of that, and alcohol because it clouds your mind and instead of enlightening it. I would definitely push down any entheogenic drugs/plants like dannon was saying.

I would test it out in third world countries first. I would enslave them economically, and thereby take their land. The land would be owned by the banks and the multi-national orginizations which hire private security armies (mercenaries) to defend them. I would withhold food and water and spread disease so the people are too weak to revolt. Any currency they use will be valueless if there is no food for them to eat. If they do get strong enough to revolt, I would take out the leader of their country and put in a new one that promises changes, but doesn't deliver.

Yes, people can use whatever currency they want, but if it is not backed by anything of real value their currency will be worthless. If they don't own their own land, then they are powerless. Then they have to work on a plantation that supplies us with bananas while they can't even earn enough money to buy a banana. But if they cooperate, they get a roof over their head and a good square mean a day.

If I wanted to take over the world in a different way, I would become president of the U.S. and go live in an undisclosed location where I would declare a new country with new laws. It would take me time to think up what these new laws would be, but basically I would become a kind dictator. I would encourage a new industry in alternative energies like solar, wind, wave, hydrogen cell, etc....and at the same time implement amazing public transportation. I would raise the price of oil so it is basically unaffordable. I would create a department of peace. I would declare that corporations do not have the same rights or more rights than people, and I would require them to pay their fare share of taxes. I would redistribute the land and make it so that housing is free. I would legalize all victimless crimes. I would make this new country an example of a cutting edge futuristic vision and urge other countries to modernize and not be left behind. Of course i would have to be in an undisclosed location so that I wouldn't be assassinated. I would try to centralize farming and industry to each location in order to empower communities to be self-sufficient as much as possible. I would halt the production of poisons as much as possible. With clean renewable free energy there will be no more mountain top removal polluting the rivers and oceans with mercury. With prosperous communities and a nation of happy people, hopefully the idea would catch on. There would be so much to do and think about that I would probably not be successful, but at least I could try. I live how Bolivia and Bhutan have made efforts in this area.

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Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

To get to the crux of this scenario, what are you trying to do exactly? Centrally plan an economy? What are the "shady lending policies?" How do you plan to put governments in debt? There are so many questions to be asked that it's hard for one to just jump to "well here's what we can do."

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*shrug* I don't know man. The title just says "Let's Take Over the World." What does that mean to you? If I was a banker and my goal was to "rule the world," the first thing that comes to mind is a centralized world government and a population that thinks they're as free as they can be without actually having the freedom to live self-sufficiently or independently of the resources that I back. If I'd succeeded I'd probably start dumping most funding into new transportation technologies and medicine. Likely into semiconductor and general computing technology as well. Question is how you'd reach whatever you define this as if you had the power. What I meant by shady lending policies and government debt I should have just phrased as fractional reserve banking, obviously I see that I was trying to be dramatic with my words (and so for the inaccuracies I must apporagize). In the end though the dollar is devalued and a number of consequences can be invoked depending on what you do with popular opinion through news media or whatever you want to use.

That's it really. It's just for laughs.

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Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

If I wanted to take over the world in a different way, I would become president of the U.S. and go live in an undisclosed location where I would declare a new country with new laws.

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So how would you become president if you were currently a wealthy banker? I know money can buy your way into politics, but do you want to be in the position of the fall-guy? Or do you think you could take over another country without being president, and if so how would you do it without drawing the world's attention (and the dislike of the natives) to you? :)

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Originally Posted by Emecom

To get people into the FEMA camps we would have to set up either a massive terrorist attack, or a huge natural disaster so that the people will go willingly.

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What would you use the camps for, what goal would that accomplish?

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Originally Posted by Invader

What would you use the camps for, what goal would that accomplish?

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Well theoretically, once we had the masses imprisoned in camps thinking that it was for their safety. We could basically do anything. The media would be under our control in the camps so people would only hear exactly what we wanted them to hear. Also I've heard theories that the world only needs a certain amount of people to run everything that we would need. So if needs dictated, we could start a mass genocide and the camps that we left alive wouldn't even know anything was going on.

I would be interested to hear what you think we could accomplish with them though. Or if you think you would even need them.

How did I miss this thread? I have not read the above post yet but I would pull a Monsanto and seek to monopolize the seed industry as well as the livestock industries. Someone said if you control the worlds food, you control the world. I would shut off the internet in a jiffy as well to control all information. I would also seize control all water sources.

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Originally Posted by stormcrow

How did I miss this thread? I have not read the above post yet but I would pull a Monsanto and seek to monopolize the seed industry as well as the livestock industries. Someone said if you control the worlds food, you control the world. I would shut off the internet in a jiffy as well to control all information. I would also seize control all water sources.

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I really wanted to find the south park clip where they unplug the internet. Would've really driven my point home :(
My point is, how do you believe you would go about "shutting off the internet" lol.

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Originally Posted by Invader

Let's all pretend, in this strictly hypothetical scenario, that we are bank owners. And let's say that over the years through shady lending policies we've managed to put a few governments in debt, and have plenty of people in debt over the course of their lives (we're wealthy, don'tcha know). What we're interested in is obtaining more power, because that's how we roll, and what we want to establish is a new sort of order in which as much control as possible is in our hands.

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So basically we're the IMF?

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Originally Posted by Invader

Now, we have plenty of politicians in our pockets and it isn't terribly difficult for us to pass legislation. We'll also say that because we make money off of the major oil companies, we support their interests too.

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Ok...sounds like the IMF...

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Originally Posted by Invader

What would you do in this position if you were trying to exert more control over world politics and the peoples of the Earth? What policies would you enact, what wars would you incite, what other competing powers would you seek to eliminate (and so on) and how would you go about accomplishing that?

Let's make some wholesome discussions!

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Ok so if I were the IMF, then I would constitute a global currency and form all other Federal bank systems to accept it. Those who didn't would get economic penalties and tariffs. Those that did would be forced to allow top countries into their country to reorganize their economies towards export production. So basically I would do the the current IMF is actually doing.

Holy hell! Just as I was reading your post, I saw on the news that the IMF boss had been arrested on rape charges! :panic:

Who wants to place bets on whether he gets jail time or not?

If I wanted to control the world.. Hm.

I'm surprised no one has made mention of manipulating media outlets yet.

Perhaps I can illustrate how I'd rule the world best by telling you how I play the game of monopoly. In monopoly, my first objective is to dominate a set color on the board so that I can build houses or hotels. I do this often times by giving those who have the land I want obscene amounts of money for their land so I can get my set color (I know that if I play my cards right, it doesn't matter how much money I give them. I'll get it right back in the long run). Then, I build houses or hotels.. depending on how much money they have. After that, I continue buying up land and making deals with my competitors by offering them obscene amounts of money (their money really that they've given me) in exchange for more property. After I have every area on the board dominated. I tear down my houses and let the other players continue passing go and collecting 200 dollars. I do this because I know they are paying me taxes everywhere they go. If they start amassing more money than I would like, I simply build houses to take that away from them and tear them down when I'm satisfied with their earnings. I control the board, and I control their wages. They work for me. I continue this until I get bored of playing boss and just build hotels everywhere and bankrupt everyone. Game over.

How I would go about applying that to real world situations, I'm unsure about but I'd find a way.

Religion.

The most important thing to do is to monopolize the media in such a way as to still give the impression that the media is free. That way you can control whatever information makes it to the public, but the public will still be unaware that the information is controlled.