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tommo
So it's people's fault for not being born with the reasoning to realise that their job is not that bad and is not everything there is and there's no reason to get stressed about it? If you ignore the fact that they need it to live.
I don't care who's fault things are, but if you are in a situation you don't like it's your responsibility to change it.
Most people get stressed out at their job because they take life far too seriously, or more specifically because they take their inner dialogue about life too seriously. If you really merge with what you are doing you won't get stressed about it. Even if you don't like your job you can merge with it. I hate cutting the grass, I think it's extremely stupid for a number of reasons. But when I have to do it, I do it with my whole being, and I don't get stressed anymore.
As you've pointed out, they don't need it, they can find other means of living, I'm just suggesting that you're advice is far too drastic and no one would really even do that. There are certainly other means of making a living and if you don't take advantage of that you have no one to blame but yourself.
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One of the most amazing things I will never get bored of is looking at nature. Walking around in the bush/forest/beach whatever. I actually feel completely ecstatic and in awe.
The natural thing to do would be to go live somewhere like that. Even if that is just on a farm or something.
So get a job as a park ranger, or a naturalist. Or be a farmer. I've considered doing those things myself but I like music more.
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If your interests are the wild then going in to the wild is pursuing your interests in itself lol
True, but you have to admit that you have to give up on cultural interests to live in the wild. Technically I could bring my guitar, but I'd have no one to play with. Most people like something about our society and culture even if they have major problems with them.
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Um. Maybe that's your preconceived notion of it. Teaching people about the consequences of having too many children is just a way to control the population size.
A smarter way than just deciding to tell people not to and killing any extra people.
But it's not control, it's not governance, it's just education. It's not controlling. But this is just semantics, it doesn't really matter.
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Classic business fallacy. I was just reading a study the other day which proves this wrong. And it's been known for quite a while. If anything, it makes them produce lower quality products because they want to get through them as quick as possible to make more money. Which is what you get generally with mass production.
This is exactly what causes people to have a narrow point of view and to become stressed out of their mind because all they see is this one thing and they think that it is everything. When it's not.
That's not what luthiers do though. I guess some of them do, but I wouldn't really call them luthiers. Luthiers spend a lot of time and effort trying to make the best product that they can. They already do this, that's why they charge $5000 for a guitar(and those are the cheap ones).
This is only wrong in terms of things being mass produced, I'm talking about high quality instruments and other things which aren't mass produced. Things which are crafted.
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Again. Same fallacy. So everyone just build houses for the money?
There's lots of people who build houses for themselves, or for other people who can't afford it. They do it because they enjoy it.
If you won't do something without monetary return, well then you don't really like it that much.
The labor isn't that bad when you actually enjoy watching your ideas become reality.
So you really think people will just build houses because it's fun? Because it ain't. Who's gonna work at landfills or clean porta-johns or scrape dead animals off the road. There are some jobs that just suck that have to be done.
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Irrelevant video is irrelevant.
He's talking about if everyone became hunter-gatherers and had to make all their own stuff.
I never suggested that. I said if someone doesn't like what society has to offer, but they do like the idea of living in the forest or something, they should do it.
And anyway, this population would not survive a transition to hunter gatherers en masse.
So it's even more irrelevant because it couldn't happen.
It's relevent because it explains how we cannot specialize without trade. People are never going to just make things and give them away to complete strangers. That's a completely absurd notion.
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If, however, we just wiped out trade. We would be fine. People can still specialise. Because people would still enjoy farming and people would still enjoy building power stations etc. etc.
But then you're assuming that there's gonna be someone who wants to just build a power station when we need power. Or someone who likes cleaning shitters when they get too full.
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And look at what's happening to the rest of the world to allow the American's (every developed country, not just Americans). The Amazon rainforest is a perfect example.
The only reason other countries are so fucking "poor" is BECAUSE of our system. Hunter-gatherer's were not poor. Unless they lived in a bad region, but they would have died out.
By our standards they are. They don't have a computer, they don't have expensive houses. They don't have the means to drive 2000 miles across the country just for fun if they wanted to. We do, we live in luxury compared to them.
It's quite true that americans do all kinds of fucked up shit for money, but they do this because they are greedy, not because we use currency. People have been using currency for a long time before there was america. It's very possible to have currency and not have people acting this way. One big step is having a currency that has a basis, is not fiat.
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But as I said. I don't see much difference (on a personal level) between working all year to have enough money to buy food or going out and hunting/finding/growing your own food. Elders never had to keep working until they were 60+ to survive. The fittest people went out and hunted.
But anyway, take your pick, it's either mental or physical anguish. Unless you figure everything out and overcome your automatic reactions to things.
Both have their downsides basically.
If you count being bound by the laws of physics/nature slavery, you will never be free. Technically that is correct, but you might go crazy if you think about it too much.
There's a really big difference, just in the amount of effort you have to put int. Go live as a hunter gatherer for a week and you'll see what I mean. It's much more difficult than living in society, that's why people don't do it.
And if you don't like thinking, get a job doing physical labor, construction or something. It's less work than being a hunter gatherer, and you still get to sleep in a bed.