I agree that there's not way to reason with them. |
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My point was to make you realize that you can't base social standards of gender equality on the acts of the criminally insane. |
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I agree that there's not way to reason with them. |
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Previously PhilosopherStoned
Of course.. agreed on that. |
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Well we are confronted with the premise that rights are necessary given that there exists more then one human being in the world. A behavioral system outlining what is and isn't proper behavior needs to exist in some form. I mean even if you don't think there is proper behavior, that is still establishing a behavioral system. I define rights are legally enforceable legally obligations and such obligations naturally fit under a behavioral system. So by what right does someone have to utilize force/coercion against another individual? How are they imbued with such a right? |
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'What is war?...In a short sentence it may be summed up to be the combination and concentration of all the horrors, atrocities, crimes, and sufferings of which human nature on this globe is capable' - John Bright
Somii, how do you actually feel about gender equality, or do you only think in philosophical abstractions? |
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Why do you state that it is anti feminist for a main woman character falling in love with a man and getting married? Guess what. That's what normally happens in real life. I guy and a girl fall in love and have sex. How is that not stereotyping the guy? I think your examples suck. |
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I was always a dreamer, in childhood especially. People thought I was a little strange.-Charley pride
'What is war?...In a short sentence it may be summed up to be the combination and concentration of all the horrors, atrocities, crimes, and sufferings of which human nature on this globe is capable' - John Bright
Socratic method is cool. And somii has sparked some good conversation using it. Guess I just wanted to see the real somii behind the mask. Prolly too much to ask, I know. And that's cool too I guess. Just a bit frustrating... like talking to a person who only responds by pulling fortune-cookie strips of paper out of his mouth and handing them to you to read. But he does make good points, even if he often does it in a somewhat uncool way. |
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Mayflow...keep trolling and you're going to get yourself banned. Off topic posts deleted, infractions given, back on topic. K thnx. |
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There will obviously never be total equality between men and women due to the physical disparity between male and female. Political equality is pretty much a done deal in the West though. |
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Do you know if said woman was refused solely because she was a woman? There are a myriad of reasons for why something like that could happen--nepotism, rumors about her, the person hired had a better reputation/bigger name (although still less qualified), the interviewer did not like her attitude, or maybe it was even just her appearance (attractiveness [or lack thereof], stained/sloppy clothes, poor hygiene, etc.). These things aren't intrinsically sexist toward women, the same thing could happen to a man; that is to say, being refused a job that you were more qualified for than another person. Discrimination effects everyone, men as well as women. I agree that it is sexist to refuse a woman a job simply because a man applied for it too. However, you were victimizing women in your example. For all anyone knows, it was for any of the reasons I stated above. If the woman who was refused the job used the excuse that it was because a man had applied for it, she would simply be victimizing herself. Victimize yourself long enough and you really become a victim, whether or not a crime or injustice has been committed. I don't have enough real world experience myself just yet to claim that women have fully received the equality they were looking for, but personally I believe that many current-age feminists have gotten what they wanted but continue to victimize themselves in every scenario in which sexism could have played a role, thus sustaining the victim mentality--regardless of whether they are really victims or not. Maybe a majority of feminists really do just want equality and its simply the loud, verbose, abrasive nuts that want more than just equal rights that ruin it for them, but there are those for every group; think Westboro Baptist Church. |
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Last edited by snoop; 08-19-2011 at 01:08 AM.
How am I missing the point? Unless you consider rapists and sex traffickers to be a part of mainstream society, you can't use what they do as a measure of social acceptance of gender equality. They're not reacting to social conditioning concerning women's status, but to deep-seated psychological issues. |
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Ok, very good points all. But I think you missed MY original point. I said that in response to Laughing Man defending Somii's purely abstract/philosophical statements and my asking somii if he ever thinks in anything other than philosophical abstractions. And you're right, the example I gave was too vague and/or poorly worded. |
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If a woman was not hired and she believes it was solely due to the fact that she is a woman, there are mechanisms in place to take punitive action on the employers. |
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I already admitted that was a poor example. |
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Last edited by tommo; 08-19-2011 at 03:24 AM.
I did a ctrl. F search through this thread and not once were the following mentioned: |
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Last edited by cygnus; 08-19-2011 at 03:39 AM.
Ok, gotcha. |
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Well, you're pretty much right on the money (at least I've realized it before you posted it). I've been enraged about this stuff ever since I was 17, and sometimes wondering why. At least I've been taking productive steps (applying for jobs) since the thread's creation and trying to forget about what a shit storm this thread is. I don't know why my personality has developed an insane amount of pent up anger, and how I can get rid of it for good. That's why I also posted a thread in the Help board. Maybe once I finally get a job and can make some money, I'll find a real therapist and not just some pill pushing piece of wood. Or I'll get a medical marijuana prescription. |
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