Thread: Is China Planning a Surprise Missile Attack on the U.S.? (World Affairs Journal)

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

The truth would be closer to your analogy if you were also a lawmaker and you made a credible threat to the banker that if he ever tries to collect on the debt, you'll pass a law that would allow you to pay him back in monopoly money.

LMAOOOO


Yeah, I don't think China is dependent on the U.S either.
Just look at all your clothes. Made in China no doubt.

There are other places, some are Singapore and Thailand and probably some other places, but it's rare to see that.

China needs 100 billion? or something from the US.

They could either wait for the U.S to repay them or go and take it.
What would you do?

It's basically impossible for the U.S to pay it back btw.

Mass manufacture of cheap goods is not the sign of a highly developed economy. Western economies aren't supposed to make T-shirts.

Looks like all those years on combat games are going to pay off.

Yes, of course China is going to shoot their nuclear missiles at us. Because then we would shoot back hundreds of nuclear missiles at them. America has a mutually-assured destruction planned for every single nation on the earth that has nukes. And we have many many more nukes than the other nations.

I call shenanigans.

The thing with countries like china is, their government is able to divert really any amount of money they want towards their own goals, and they don't seem to care much about the welfare of the general population. For all we know, they are fully prepared for all their major cities to be nuked, and have miles of underground bunker cities already built (like the russians) for the government and high level party members.

In the end, we don't even know what our own government(s) have prepared, how are you to know what China has up their sleeve?

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

The thing with countries like china is, their government is able to divert really any amount of money they want towards their own goals, and they don't seem to care much about the welfare of the general population. For all we know, they are fully prepared for all their major cities to be nuked, and have miles of underground bunker cities already built (like the russians) for the government and high level party members.

In the end, we don't even know what our own government(s) have prepared, how are you to know what China has up their sleeve?

I tend to think somewhere along those lines. I mean, it's just as easy to say what a country 'wouldn't do' as it is to say what any individual man 'wouldn't do.' We all know that the latter is much less predictable than some us of would like to admit.

I missed the bit where an oligarchy destroying the entire country it rules was rationalised..?

Originally Posted by Xei

I missed the bit where an oligarchy destroying the entire country it rules was rationalised..?

I don't believe anyone said it was. It was just being looked at as a possibility, as many regimes has gambled upon their ideas (however radical) and lost, in the past. Don't make it out to look like we're saying it's likely to happen.

I'd accept that such a thing could plausibly happen due to somebody who was literally insane (like a Dr. Strangelove scenario).

But the idea that sane rulers could ever be motivated to do such a thing is not realistic; neither is the possibility of somebody with mental problems being allowed into the Chinese political elite.

Originally Posted by Xei

I'd accept that such a thing could plausibly happen due to somebody who was literally insane (like a Dr. Strangelove scenario).

But the idea that sane rulers could ever be motivated to do such a thing is not realistic; neither is the possibility of somebody with mental problems being allowed into the Chinese political elite.

And we are all entitled to our speculations.

Why does any government willingly enter into a war of attrition? Because they believe the potential gains outweigh the necessary losses. How is the possibility of global nuclear war much different than the bombings of dresden, london, etc. in world war 2? Why would any sane government send millions of its citizens off to die? China is the most populated country on the planet. If they believe that their preparations will allow them to win a global nuclear war with the United States and others, then the potential gain is total world domination. Do you think they are willing to sacrifice several million of their own citizens and billions of dollars of infrastructure to do it? I'd say so, especially given their general attitude towards their own population, their penchant for immediate sacrifice in exchange for long term gains, and the fact that they have already started to "rebuild" so to speak ahead of time with new empty cities being put up.

I find it hard to believe that you can't believe governments with massive nuclear stock piles would actually have plans to use them.

I still don't think China would honestly risk nuclear holocaust. Much more likely to get that kind of behavior out of an organization of end-times obsessed extremists. They're the real nuclear threat. Even if China does not value the welfare of their general population they still understand the service they provide the upper class. They have too much at stake risking the destabilization of the entire world. Meanwhile cross-cultural, end-times obsessed extremists are intentionally pursuing such chaos.

Prepare for nuclear winter. China is coming.



Everybody who has played knows what I am talking about.

It seems to me that nuclear weapons are not to be used, rather, to be flaunted. It's a preventative measure to protect a nation's sovereignty. That's why Iran wants a nuke, they want a reason to protect themselves. Do Americans really believe that Iran would launch one or two nukes at us when we have more than enough to obliterate every square inch of their populace? No. It's for self-encouragement and to prevent more war.

Iran wants nukes because they think it is only a matter of time before Israel tries to destroy them. Israel almost definitely has nukes and would use them against Iran. Iran would definitely use them against Israel if they managed to develop them.

p.s. Would it be safer to move into a vault knowing that some of them might just be government experiments or staying out in the open and possibly becoming a hideously disfigured ghoul?

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

p.s. Would it be safer to move into a vault knowing that some of them might just be government experiments or staying out in the open and possibly becoming a hideously disfigured ghoul?

I am balancing between chance to mutate to supermutant or hide in the vault. I have to find a new chip, though, for my water recycler.. other wise I am set to go.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Iran wants nukes because they think it is only a matter of time before Israel tries to destroy them. Israel almost definitely has nukes and would use them against Iran. Iran would definitely use them against Israel if they managed to develop them.

p.s. Would it be safer to move into a vault knowing that some of them might just be government experiments or staying out in the open and possibly becoming a hideously disfigured ghoul?

Iran doesn't want the Middle East destroyed either. -_-

I think the point is each nation feels like if they don't get nukes, nukes will be used against them.

Fact: no nation with nukes has ever been invaded.

Originally Posted by cmind

Fact: no nation with nukes has ever been invaded.

I would like to requote this fact. It's exactly what I was getting at Sure, it makes the world a little more scary, but imagine if WE lived somewhere under constant threat of invasion and had no nukes... we'd want one ourselves.

The Us could destroy China in a microsecond if so needed. It is not needed... yet. Russia once thought that the us would self destruct, back at you Russia. China needs not go that route, but time will tell. If they attack the us, they are gone. I am pretty sure they know that.

Originally Posted by eldante

The Us could destroy China in a microsecond if so needed. It is not needed... yet. Russia once thought that the us would self destruct, back at you Russia. China needs not go that route, but time will tell. If they attack the us, they are gone. I am pretty sure they know that.

That's the spirit.

If USA has time to destroy it before China outruns it economically. Not that USA could be destroyed as well with nukes at the moment.

Is this thread for real? Jesus you guys treat international relations like a game of Risk.