Thread: Jon Stewart Murders Bill O'Reilly (again) in a Debate Over Bringing Rapper Common to the White House

I love Jon Stewart. I like Colbert a little more though. I watch both shows religiously.

I saw that actually. I can't believe people like Bill O' Reilly actually believe the stuff that they say. Absurd.

Yeah, that is why whenever people start pissing Bill O'Reilly he threatens to just throw them off his show. I think he knows that the right wing is not completely logical and that when people start chanting logic to him, he starts to look really stupid.

And "Hurricane" is one of the best songs ever written.

This is super old.

That being said, Expect Republicans not to understand the difference between rap and gangsta rap

Omg, I just looked up who won the debate. Even the deepest parts of the deep south new O'Reilly looked stupid.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

This is super old.

How very observant of you.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

And "Hurricane" is one of the best songs ever written.

I approve!

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

How very observant of you.

You should make a Jon Stewart forum because he's a dream!

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Omg, I just looked up who won the debate. Even the deepest parts of the deep south new O'Reilly looked stupid.

Was the poll also on HuffPo? People who read HuffPo in Alabama tend to be of the same political persuasion as people who read HuffPo in NYC.

Then again, it is a picture, and the only evidence more compelling than a picture is when somebody says it on the tee-vee.

No, that image was from Bill O'Reilly's website.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

No, that image was from Bill O'Reilly's website.

From your img tag: http://i.huffpost.com/gen/279622/BIL...ON-STEWART.jpg

Oh, yeah, it may currently be hosted by other places, but it originally came from the Fox poll.

You guys aren't actually siding with John Stewart are you? Common VISITED a convicted murderer's house!

Common believed the "convicted murder" was a racial conviction like Hurricane Carter. Did you watch the clip? Whether or not that was the case is not relevant, his beliefs are what's relevant. Like he said, Dylan also visited a convicted murderer.

He's a rapper, not exactly known for education. Not exactly relevant when it comes to poetry.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

He's a rapper, not exactly known for education. Not exactly relevant when it comes to poetry.

I believe that to be a matter of perspective.

Common is known more as a poet than a rapper.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

He's a rapper, not exactly known for education.

The bulk of Common's work falls under Concious Rap (or Socially Concious Hip Hop, whichever you prefer, which is "a sub-genre of hip hop that focuses on social issues. It is not necessarily overtly political, but it discusses social issues and conflicts. Themes of conscious hip hop include religion, aversion to violence, culture, the economy, or simple depictions the struggles of ordinary people") and he's regarded as one of the more intelligent entertainers of today. This isn't Eazy E we're talking about here (who, interestingly enough, was also invited to the White House a while back), this is a guy who used to go by the stage name "Common Sense."

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Not exactly relevant when it comes to poetry.

Rappers were probably the most relevant or influential force in the late 80's - 90's when it came to aspiring poets hailing from inner-city communities. On the whole, rappers were definitely "relevant to poetry," especially in North America. Although to a much lesser extent, I'd say rap still has some level of influence/relevance in today's North American poetry.

As for Common, being an influential Golden-Ager (Golden Age hop hop was totally hax), he's much more "relevant to poetry" than many of North America's other poets. To think otherwise is str8 ignant, dawgz. na'msayin, ??

Discussing with Bill must be so frustrating. Stewart kept saying that Common thought the woman was innocent, thus he is celebrating her supposed crime, but Bill just completely ignored that and kept repeating it, every single time. It's basically a matter of "keep telling lies, eventually people will believe them".

Srsly Jesus Christ. Did you see him on the Daily Show last night? He's still acting like he deserves a smaller tax burden than his wealth control. It's pretty fucking simple, if your class controls 40% of the wealth, your class should be paying 40% of the taxes.

Originally Posted by GavinGill

The bulk of Common's work falls under Concious Rap (or Socially Concious Hip Hop, whichever you prefer, which is "a sub-genre of hip hop that focuses on social issues. It is not necessarily overtly political, but it discusses social issues and conflicts. Themes of conscious hip hop include religion, aversion to violence, culture, the economy, or simple depictions the struggles of ordinary people") and he's regarded as one of the more intelligent entertainers of today. This isn't Eazy E we're talking about here (who, interestingly enough, was also invited to the White House a while back), this is a guy who used to go by the stage name "Common Sense."


Rappers were probably the most relevant or influential force in the late 80's - 90's when it came to aspiring poets hailing from inner-city communities. On the whole, rappers were definitely "relevant to poetry," especially in North America. Although to a much lesser extent, I'd say rap still has some level of influence/relevance in today's North American poetry.

As for Common, being an influential Golden-Ager (Golden Age hop hop was totally hax), he's much more "relevant to poetry" than many of North America's other poets. To think otherwise is str8 ignant, dawgz. na'msayin, ??

I didn't say rappers aren't relevant to poetry, I said his views of the convicted murderer is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Srsly Jesus Christ. Did you see him on the Daily Show last night? He's still acting like he deserves a smaller tax burden than his wealth control. It's pretty fucking simple, if your class controls 40% of the wealth, your class should be paying 40% of the taxes.

nope.avi

That would make it a flat tax.

Yeah, a flat tax benefits the rich. If you take 10% of everyone's income, that's not fair to the bottom. You think those making $30,000 can afford $3000 in taxes? Certainly not, at least not easily. Think those making 50 million can afford to pay $5 million in taxes and not even feel it? You bet you're ass. Flat tax benefits the rich.

I wasn't suggesting a flat tax. I'm suggesting a sliding scale based on control of wealth.

Flat consumption tax anyone? I'd rather be taxed when I actually spend the money, rather than never ever get it in the first place. It could make up for a lot of the income tax inequalities even on a graduated income tax.