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Originally Posted by tommo

Yeah, but are you gonna send fruit and vegetables overseas every time there is one? No. You can't, they'd just rot on the way.

Maybe you're right when it comes to australia, but around half of US produce comes from south america

Originally Posted by tommo

I agree with some of what you have said.

That is not the GM that I condone however.
What I'm talking about is creating plants that use less nitrogen (which is BAD for the oceans, and therefore the whole world, as I previously stated), or plants that produce more beneficial vitamins and minerals, or just more edible matter.

These are not bad things, and there's no reason it would mutate and harm us, any more than the plants we have now would. Because you're changing the same thing we have been since we started selecting the best plants' seeds to propagate, just faster.

I definitely agree that they should not be copyrightable, or even sold to companies at all. And therefore that there would be no reason to make them not produce fertile seeds.

BTW, the seed thing doesn't really work very well. They've been doing it just through selection (slow GM, really) for years now. Yet you can still throw an apple in the garden and grow an apple tree.


I haven't seen any credible sources for this. And anyway, good luck growing our current plants in poorer nations with drought.
Even in Australia, bananas go up in price dramatically every few years basically. It is because of floods which destroy the farms. Not false scarcity.
And drought here affects food supply in the worst times as well.

Can we distinguish between genetic modification and the domestic selection that humans have done for 10000 years?

Originally Posted by IndieAnthias

Can we distinguish between genetic modification and the domestic selection that humans have done for 10000 years?

Depends how you think about it.

We're altering the same things we always have, just in a different way that is more efficient.

Originally Posted by tommo

We're altering the same things we always have, just in a different way that is more efficient.

And allows changes that would have little chance of occurring naturally.

Well to be fair, I don't think the products of domestic selection had much chance of occurring naturally. But GM is very different. I don't think they're comparable in any real sense. Like you said tommo it might depend on how you think about it, but just go back to juroara's post and see that the differences are very important, not to be marginalized like you are doing.

GM food companies 'driven by profit not health' - Telegraph

^this to me seems to be the case.

Yeah, as I said. It should not be in the hands of companies. Governments should control the food industry. Or at least have very very strict regulations on the companies.