Thread: Anonymous Leaks Personal Details of Cop Who Pepper-Sprayed Well Street Protesters

Taking him to court is probably the correct move to be honest.

This is post 9-11 America, cops have blank checks to do whatever they want, the UN has done a number of studies about police brutality in the US and it's been out of control since the war on terror started. Fuck you asshole cops who harass peaceful protester. Good job Anonymous.

Here is the actual info on the cop: BadCop d0x - Pastebin.com

A quick google of his name shows it's not the first time he's pepper sprayed innocent protesters. Looks like he's a right wing extremist, who has pepper sprayed lots of people protesting right wing fuckups.

So you guys don't have a legal system any more? Nobody's even going to try to use it?

Originally Posted by Xei

So you guys don't have a legal system any more? Nobody's even going to try to use it?

Not really, cops can pretty much do whatever they want as long as they don't kill someone. In the USA you can only get justice if you can afford it, we are capitalism on steroids. The costs of the legal system is so high that regular people can't afford it. The ACLU on the other hand... I would not be surprised if they brought action, and they are still very powerful. They protect the people in the bottom 95% who can't afford to use the legal system.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

In the USA you can only get justice if you can afford it, we are capitalism on steroids.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Lawyer = $500/hour on average in NYC
Court Cost = $50 on average

Could you afford that? That's why the ACLU protects us.

Originally Posted by Xei

Taking him to court is probably the correct move to be honest.

Actually, I was speaking more to the idea that there's likely to be a lot of very angry people who will probably use this information against him...which can be extremely hazardous to his health. I could imagine people demanding that he turn in his badge, or face consequences.

People are nutty like that.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

cops can pretty much do whatever they want as long as they don't kill someone.

Not even. They can shoot and kill children too apparently, so long as they're the only witness, on top of a bad history working for the department.

Anyways gentlemen, O said he should hang up his badge not to avoid the legal system, but because it would probably be a good idea considering the position he's now in. He should still be sued, definitely, but put yourself in his shoes and maybe you'd think resignation from the force was in your best interests.

edit: And don't forget about all the good police. They don't stop existing just because a few assholes make their way into the public light.

Yeah, people are getting less and less tolerant of the police brutality now because they see the government as part of the machine that is causing all of the problems we currently have. We have a corrupt banking system, a corrupt political system, and more and more, a corrupt police system, and people are turning against them. People see the system as broken, so they are going through alternative means to get points across. That's why despite mostly negative media coverage, people's approval of anonymous is fairly high.

Originally Posted by Invader

Not even. They can shoot and kill children too apparently, so long as they're the only witness, on top of a bad history working for the department.

Anyways gentlemen, O said he should hang up his badge not to avoid the legal system, but because it would probably be a good idea considering the position he's now in. He should still be sued, definitely, but put yourself in his shoes and maybe you'd think resignation from the force was in your best interests.

edit: And don't forget about all the good police. They don't stop existing just because a few assholes make their way into the public light.

Yeah, they can kill whoever they want if no one else sees it, I'm sure that happens several times a year.

And yeah, most cops are good, but the system seems to be protecting the bad ones instead of throwing them to the curb. Even though 99% of cops are good and not corrupt in the least, the 1% of them makes the entire force looks bad, and causes people to distrust all of them because you don't know who the good ones and who the bad ones are, and that small percent is too high for most people's comfort.

I feel like I just said something similar recently about something else, but I can't quite remember what it was, maybe O knows...

Anyone else catch the part where the NYPD condoned this as "appropriate" use of pepper spray?

Originally Posted by ninjanumbers

I feel like I just said something similar recently about something else, but I can't quite remember what it was, maybe O knows...

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Actually, I was speaking more to the idea that there's likely to be a lot of very angry people who will probably use this information against him...which can be extremely hazardous to his health. I could imagine people demanding that he turn in his badge, or face consequences.

People are nutty like that.

I know, these were the people I was talking about. Anonymous is just doing its usual cowardly 'sending pizzas for justice' crap.

Originally Posted by Supernova

Anyone else catch the part where the NYPD condoned this as "appropriate" use of pepper spray?

No.

Originally Posted by Xei

Anonymous is just doing its usual cowardly 'sending pizzas for justice' crap.

They're just mad bro.

Originally Posted by Xei

I know, these were the people I was talking about. Anonymous is just doing its usual cowardly 'sending pizzas for justice' crap.

It's not anonymous' job to fix the problem, it's their job to bring it into public light so that the public can deal with it, that's the point of all activism.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Not really, cops can pretty much do whatever they want as long as they don't kill someone. In the USA you can only get justice if you can afford it, we are capitalism on steroids.

indeed.

Care to explain that facepalm? Have you ever paid for a lawyer before?

Originally Posted by Xei

No.

Last sentence.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Not really, cops can pretty much do whatever they want as long as they don't kill someone. In the USA you can only get justice if you can afford it, we are capitalism on steroids.

And here we go.

Originally Posted by Invader

edit: And don't forget about all the good police. They don't stop existing just because a few assholes make their way into the public light.

Very well put.

Still; you guys seem to have an endemic problem with a lack of accountability that isn't present elsewhere in the West, and that clearly needs fixing.

Originally Posted by Xei

Still; you guys seem to have an endemic problem with a lack of accountability that isn't present elsewhere in the West, and that clearly needs fixing.

Agreed. Stuff like this just disappears in after a few days or weeks and eventually the general public tend to forget about it. I think most of the time the general public just assumes the protesters were being typical protestors, i.e. they imagine the typical caricature of lefty "anarchists" donning black masks and throwing rocks and shit. That or they genuinely don't give a shit or are too busy watching Jersey Shore or "Real" Housewives to pay attention.

Here you go http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies...sa/USHRN15.pdf

Some exerts

However, due to restrictive laws, judicial interpretations, and a post 9/11 climate that serves to limit police accountability, such suits are often unsuccessful, and even where successful, rarely lead to individual or systemic changes in police personnel or practices. Overall, these mechanisms are largely ineffective and insufficient to meet the U.S. government’s obligations to provide remedies and redress for violations of rights under the Convention.

Clearly, existing complaint-based mechanisms fail to create a climate in which police officers understand that abuse will not be tolerated and in which individuals believe that the police will treat them fairly

Basically what the United Nations Committee on Human Rights is saying that the Bush totalitarian laws remove a lot of the accountability, and we are starting to see that more and more.

Ne-yo, cmind, and BLUELINE976, you all facepalmed my argument that most people can not afford justice, but none of you have addressed the issue I keep raising. Do you think everyone, who makes $22,402/yr (2000 average in New York City from the census) can afford a $200/hr lawyer to protect you (in my own experience lawyers cost closer to $500, but I use more expensive than average ones)? I don't think any of you will argue that it's a good idea to fight a cop without a lawyer.

You also know that brutality cases tend to be in poorer areas, so $22,000 is probably even more than the average victim makes in a year. Just FYI, $22,000 is living paycheck to paycheck, they won't have savings, they can barely afford rent and food. Stop looking at it as if it was you. Yeah, we all probably all make 100K and can afford it, but we are not average. And you think that maybe the people protesting on wallstreet in the middle of the day might be unemployed? You can't say that they shouldn't get justice because they don't have a job to pay for it, Americans are Americans, whether they are currently working or not.

The courts are supposed to be the accountability mechanism for policemen like the one who pepper sprayed innocent protesters. The cost of that mechanism puts people off, so it's inefficient.

I'd love to hear you try and defend the $200/hr minimum accountability mechanism. Accountability shouldn't cost the victim anything.

The ACLU doesn't have the resources to help everyone, they go after high priority targets to make statements, they haven't shown any indication of fighting the cop who is a repeat offender when it comes to pepper spraying peaceful protesters.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Ne-yo, cmind, and BLUELINE976, you all facepalmed my argument that most people can not afford justice, but none of you have addressed the issue I keep raising.

I'll address it, but I'm going to wait on BLUELINE971696 to address it first and then just copy/paste what he says.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Ne-yo, cmind, and BLUELINE976, you all facepalmed my argument that most people can not afford justice, but none of you have addressed the issue I keep raising. Do you think everyone, who makes $22,402/yr (2000 average in New York City from the census) can afford a $200/hr lawyer to protect you (in my own experience lawyers cost closer to $500, but I use more expensive than average ones)? I don't think any of you will argue that it's a good idea to fight a cop without a lawyer.

You also know that brutality cases tend to be in poorer areas, so $22,000 is probably even more than the average victim makes in a year. Just FYI, $22,000 is living paycheck to paycheck, they won't have savings, they can barely afford rent and food. Stop looking at it as if it was you. Yeah, we all probably all make 100K and can afford it, but we are not average. And you think that maybe the people protesting on wallstreet in the middle of the day might be unemployed? You can't say that they shouldn't get justice because they don't have a job to pay for it, Americans are Americans, whether they are currently working or not.

This is a huge problem, that nobody ever seems to really talk about. It goes beyond that, though. Even when it comes to things like bail and bond. Why is it that how much representation you have (for something that you could very well be innocent of), as well as how much time you spend in jail for certain crimes, is dependent on how wealthy you are? (It is a rhetorical question, of course. The answer is "Because money, status and power rule all.")

It is a blatant perversion of the very concept of 'justice'.