Thread: Sex

I edited my post.

Sigh. Let's take this one line at a time, now.

Originally Posted by tommo

You will never know the depths of her "soul" until you fuck her.

Well, we're both wrong. Nobody can totally comprehend the total existence of anyone else. Ever.
They can get close, though.

When you kiss her and enter her you will see who she really is.

Oh? So my penis entering her vagina is suddenly going to open up a whole new world of understanding. Sure! LONG LIVE ENDORPHINS! With every thrust, may I learn something new about my dear friend. Because body fluids totally convey memories and concepts and build trust.

As for kissing, well, that's another hype that doesn't make sense. And I kiss. AND I'm a sensate. And no, it still makes no sense.
Now, a good back massage... that makes sense!

You will know in that instant how you really feel about her.

Really? I will better know my own feelings, because my chemicals will be on the fritz at that point?
No thanks. I'll stick to conviction. Feelings are emotions, and emotions are by no means a good foundation to build trust and love upon.

You can lie to yourself, but you'll know whether it is lust or love.

You're telling me that a mind that is high on the chemicals of sex can think straight? No thanks! Bodies attract each other, yes, and it must be lovely.
But the mind should not be thrown to the wind simply to satisfy the body.

And that is why you should have sex before marriage. Is that a good enough reason?

I think you have my answer.

BTW, if the only reasons you've heard are "sex feels good" you really haven't been searching very hard.

That's the only reason that has held up in its own (usual) worldview: hedonism. Unless the only reason for you to exist is to feel pleasure and to indulge and to be ruled by your body, then sex is a tricky thing to justify except in moderation. I've seen the effects of sex on people, on their lives and on their minds. It's... annoying.


Tell me, tommo; why do couples break up so often?
Tell me, tommo; why do they continue to practice for divorce by indulging in meaningless relationships that lack true commitment?
Tell me, tommo; why do people think that their problems will be solved by finding ANOTHER mate?
Tell me, tommo; how did you become so convicted that this method that consistently leaves couple uncontent and relationships ruined and trust broken?

Synopsis:

"You will never know the depths of her "soul" until you fuck her.
When you kiss her and enter her you will see who she really is.
You will know in that instant how you really feel about her.
You can lie to yourself, but you'll know whether it is lust or love."

My goodness, that sounds like a romance novel. Silly tommo.

Well that was a long post, I put my reply in blue.

Originally Posted by Signet

I'm very sorry. At this point, I have no socially responsible reply to your post. It would be inappropriate for me to reply in the manner that I intended to and wanted to, so I am waiting.

Just a minute. Lemme cool off.


If you're just saying what came to mind from the assumptions that you've made based off of the voice of your peers, you're damn right you don't.

Says the guy who started this whole thread without ever having had sex...

What you posted leads right back to the reason I made this thread in the first place. You say "You aren't going to know if you are going to like it, and if you don't your [wife is] going to get pissed off." She very likely will.
So... you're saying is that sex is the hinge-pin upon which a marital relationship is sustained? No, but it's important. You're saying that I can't find meaning and completeness in the company of another person without sexual compatibility? You can but it's harder. If that was so, I would not be alive because my parents would never have stayed married for twenty years. (Yeah, I'm a late child.)
Sex: the cornerstone of lasting, mutual relation. To hell with that. ... I stand before the world as a living rebuttal to that notion, for I am a virgin and proud of it, AND I keep my friends. You can have friends without having sex, in fact most friendships are maintained without coitus. I have deeper relationships with my friends (who are mostly girls, go figure) than almost anyone I have met - and ANY of my peers, sans one couple who just got engaged.
Without ever having sex. Good for you?

Guys, I'm not a Bible-thumper. I don't even want to get into that right now. Ok... Everything I say, I say with the conviction that comes from extensive observance of the world. I've seen dozens of cities in eight countries and talked to hundreds of people from all sorts of walks.
I'm running out of patience. I'm trying like mad to find reason for this mentality that mankind has of "sex, sex, get laid, sex, do it NOW, commitment later," and I find none. Same reason you buy daily tickets to amusement parks before getting the season pass. Making a smart commitment requires knowing what you're committing to. It's inconsistent with reality (one reason I find lucid dreaming is so enticing), and I only see it leading to ruin. Today, yesterday, last year, and back throughout the millennia. Dude, if populations didn't have sex, no one would be born in the next generation, and the population would disappear. Now that's what I'd call ruin.

I want to justify it. But I can't.

And that difference... is starting to feel powerful.

I can know the depths of my best friend's mind and soul without laying a hand on her. Why would I rattle that with lust? Why would I rock the boat when it sails so smoothly? Sex drive. It's a biological urge, and if you don't understand it, you should ask yourself if you are asexual.

Why would I give up temperance and respect for "it feels good"? When did having sex cause you to lose respect? If you both enjoy it there is no shame in the act. Although I doubt you are at the point with your friend where sex is appropriate.


Sorry. I tried to keep cool. Rant over.

P.S. I fully respect your opinions and your right to express them, I just disagree, please don't take this as any sort of attack on your character.

Signet, I really think you should try sex. You will probably feel a lot better for a lot of reasons when you do. Go for it. This thread tells me that you are having major mental conflict over being a virgin over 40. That can end. You should bring it to a close.

Originally Posted by ixsetf

Says the guy who started this whole thread without ever having had sex...

As if you're any more entitled. I, sir, have been studying this on and off for over a year. As I said.

What you posted leads right back to the reason I made this thread in the first place. You say "You aren't going to know if you are going to like it, and if you don't your [wife is] going to get pissed off."

She very likely will.

So... you're saying is that sex is the hinge-pin upon which a marital relationship is sustained?

No, but it's important.

Very well. Prove it, [sarcasm]married man.[/sarcasm]

I'm running out of patience. I'm trying like mad to find reason for this mentality that mankind has of "sex, sex, get laid, sex, do it NOW, commitment later," and I find none.

Same reason you buy daily tickets to amusement parks before getting the season pass. Making a smart commitment requires knowing what you're committing to.

Faulty analogy. You are comparing a man-made thrill to an inexplicable freak of nature. Sex is in a league totally of its own, and the thrills that man make don't hold a candle to it, am I right?
Playing with fire...

It's inconsistent with reality (one reason I find lucid dreaming is so enticing), and I only see it leading to ruin. Today, yesterday, last year, and back throughout the millennia.

Dude, if populations didn't have sex, no one would be born in the next generation, and the population would disappear. Now that's what I'd call ruin.

And yet, through the ages of sexual "oppression" (which is a load of revisionist history bullshit, thanks to our different perspectives and wordviews) mankind has continued to procure more if its inane self. Whoopie.

I can know the depths of my best friend's mind and soul without laying a hand on her. Why would I rattle that with lust? Why would I rock the boat when it sails so smoothly?

Sex drive. It's a biological urge, and if you don't understand it, you should ask yourself if you are asexual.

As if. I occasionally consider becoming so just to do away with all the hassle. But, I know that I would be totally changed in character and that would be cheating my friends out of their friend in me.

Why would I give up temperance and respect for "it feels good"?

When did having sex cause [a person] to lose respect?

When it brought them to the point at which they decided they "couldn't hold off any longer."
Saying that is bullshit. It's just a selfish, lusty want at that point -- nothing respectful. Respect in this context would be the (hypothetical) two saying "I will contain my feelings (lust) for you until such a time that it is helpful and appropriate," not "I want you, I want you!"

If you both enjoy it there is no shame in the act.

Careful with those words, ixsetf. Do you mind if I substitute "murder" for "the act" in that sentence? No?

Although I doubt you are at the point with your friend where sex is appropriate.

Quite true, and we know it. And that's okay.

P.S. I fully respect your opinions and your right to express them, I just disagree, please don't take this as any sort of attack on your character.

No, no, no. I respect YOU for putting up with me ranting. Especially since people who try to uphold in any obvious way Judaeo-Christian values on this site tend to get shouted down by all the post-modernists.

Thank you, ixsetf.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Signet, I really think you should try sex. You will probably feel a lot better for a lot of reasons when you do. Go for it.

UMind... no. Just no. Don't join the ranks of those trying to convince me for the sake of myself. I refuse to do so; I have a creed. I would sooner CASTRATE myself than give in to lust, and that's not cheap -- that's badass.

This thread tells me that you are having major mental conflict over being a virgin over 40. That can end. You should bring it to a close.

Not to sound disrespectful, but you make me laugh. And facepalm.
I don't have any angst over myself on this issue, it's the world around me. Deep down I'm a compassionate guy, and so when I see nearly the whole running around humping like bunnies without answering why... yeah, I get upset about it.

Wait wait wait, you're over 40?
Dude, what the fuck?
I was thinking you are 15 or something with the way you're talking.

Originally Posted by Signet

Sigh. Let's take this one line at a time, now.


Well, we're both wrong. Nobody can totally comprehend the total existence of anyone else. Ever.
They can get close, though.


Oh? So my penis entering her vagina is suddenly going to open up a whole new world of understanding. Sure! LONG LIVE ENDORPHINS! With every thrust, may I learn something new about my dear friend. Because body fluids totally convey memories and concepts and build trust.

As for kissing, well, that's another hype that doesn't make sense. And I kiss. AND I'm a sensate. And no, it still makes no sense.
Now, a good back massage... that makes sense!


Really? I will better know my own feelings, because my chemicals will be on the fritz at that point?
No thanks. I'll stick to conviction. Feelings are emotions, and emotions are by no means a good foundation to build trust and love upon.


You're telling me that a mind that is high on the chemicals of sex can think straight? No thanks! Bodies attract each other, yes, and it must be lovely.
But the mind should not be thrown to the wind simply to satisfy the body.

Ah, you're one of those people.
Why don't you give pure emotions a go. It's what makes us animals after all.
There is not only one aspect to life, you gotta see many sides or you end up in a stupid, illogical rut like the one you're in now.
Rock the boat.

Originally Posted by Signet

Tell me, tommo; why do couples break up so often?

Because:
1 - They like each other but after a while they realise they aren't right for each other.
2 - They find someone else they like more
Please tell me how sex makes people break up?

Originally Posted by Signet

Tell me, tommo; why do they continue to practice for divorce by indulging in meaningless relationships that lack true commitment?

What is wrong with that?
Better than being by yourself and never finding anyone.
May as well take a chance with many and maybe find one than to never have anyone.

Originally Posted by Signet

Tell me, tommo; why do people think that their problems will be solved by finding ANOTHER mate?

Because they do not understand themselves and/or like themselves so they think that finding someone else will help.
Nothing to do with sex, just an inability to examine one's own life and self.

Originally Posted by Signet

Tell me, tommo; how did you become so convicted that this method that consistently leaves couple uncontent and relationships ruined and trust broken?

What method?
Having sex?

Tell me why exactly, a short relationship is a bad thing?
When two people grow apart, that is not bad, it just means they have changed.
It doesn't have to be a horrible fight to the bitter end, it can be a mutual decision to move on and find other partners.
You can have a wonderful relationship that lasts a few weeks, or a few years.
It doesn't have to last til you die for it to be good.
If some rare RARE RARE people find that, good for them. But it's RARE.
And we should not all aspire to that and end up hopelessly lonely like you.

Originally Posted by Signet

"You will never know the depths of her "soul" until you fuck her.
When you kiss her and enter her you will see who she really is.
You will know in that instant how you really feel about her.
You can lie to yourself, but you'll know whether it is lust or love."

My goodness, that sounds like a romance novel. Silly tommo.

I wrote it better, but then it got deleted coz DV is fucking up. So I had to write it again and it didn't come out as well.

I keep forgetting the first role of debate: Never, never, NEVER get in a debate with a relativist or a postmodernist. It just won't work. T_T

Originally Posted by tommo

Wait wait wait, you're over 40?
Dude, what the fuck?
I was thinking you are 15 or something with the way you're talking.

1. Don't assume.
2. Don't assume.
3. Don't assume.
4. Question, don't assume.
5. I'm nineteen-and-a-half-ish.

Why don't you give pure emotions a go.

You have obviously never seem me playing rock music live. You might wonder where all the passion comes from.

It's what makes us animals after all.

I am not an ANIMAL. I am a human, and -oops!- I consider that considerably different, thanks.
not getting into that one today, though.

There is not only one aspect to life, you gotta see many sides or you end up in a stupid, illogical rut like the one you're in now.

Whatever you say. I'm just trying to stay logical because I refuse to subscribe and repeat a relativistic viewpoint. [Read: "what I think because I think it"]

Rock the boat.

Rock and roll the battleship, you mean.

Please tell me how sex makes people break up?

Lack of commitment. They go hand in hand.

Better than being by yourself and never finding anyone.

Please tell me how it's better to have broken, cut-off relationships than to live a chaste, single life. Just like that 40-year-old single virgin I know who laughs at our sex-saturated culture.

Better yet: "Oops. I disagree." See? Relativism.

When two people grow apart, that is not bad, it just means they have changed.

It doesn't have to be a horrible fight to the bitter end, it can be a mutual decision to move on and find other partners.

It doesn't happen, man. I've seen it too often to think so; relationships don't break without pain and loss.

You can have a wonderful relationship that lasts a few weeks, or a few years.
It doesn't have to last til you die for it to be good.
If some rare RARE RARE people find that, good for them. But it's RARE.

Again: Bull. Shit. Go ask the old couples at the church I help run tech at. Go ask the teachers at my school. Go ask my mom and dad, and their mothers and fathers, and their brothers and sisters and MY brothers and sisters-in-law. Go ask the old guy I sat next to on the train coming back to college in Kansas; he'll tell you about his wife of 30+ years.

It's not rare that two humans find their "soulmate", it's tripe. What's rare is when the Modern Man gets off his mental duff and works at himself, making within himself a person actually worthy of a life-long relationship.
I once heard it said: "Don't wait around for 'that right person' to find you; work to become 'that right person' for anyone who is worth it."

And we should not all aspire to that and end up hopelessly lonely like you.

YOU, sir, can take that one back. I take great offense to this and if I could, I would personally drag your ass from your island-continent all the way over here to Iowa so that I can introduce you to some of my friends. I'll let them say what they will, for I actually have reason to believe that they've got my back. I'm not lonely, because I've taken the time to fully know my friends, looking past the skin and into the soul. They care because I care.
And one of these days I'm most likely going to marry one of them. Or the other. You see, they're actually honest, upstanding young women who live by a logical, moral basis. (As much as you might think that is an oxymoron.)

I wrote it better, but then it got deleted coz DV is fucking up. So I had to write it again and it didn't come out as well.

Not cool. (Author here, as well.) Or are you just being sarcastic? >_>

No I wasn't being sarcastic.

It's like, hey, here's a bowl of nuts

Of all the analogies you could have made...

Originally Posted by Signet

Why would I give up temperance and respect for "it feels good"?

So you're saying that sex is disrespectful and intemperate?

Originally Posted by Signet

It's just a selfish, lusty want at that point -- nothing respectful. Respect in this context would be the (hypothetical) two saying "I will contain my feelings (lust) for you until such a time that it is helpful and appropriate," not "I want you, I want you!"

Helpful? Appropriate?
I don't think sex is 'helpful', it's good and it's nice. Appropriate? Is it not appropriate as soon as both parties want to have sex?

Originally Posted by tommo

"I can know the depths of my best friend's mind and soul without laying a hand on her."
You will never know the depths of her "soul" until you fuck her.
When you kiss her and enter her you will see who she really is.
You will know in that instant how you really feel about her.
You can lie to yourself, but you'll know whether it is lust or love.

What the fuck. Everyone here is making sex out to be something ridiculous that it isn't.
Signet is right that you don't need to have sex before marriage, but you're basically saying that love = sex, which is also bullshit.

It seems that one of you is arguing that sex is this magical end-all answer to life, while the other is arguing that sex is the source of all evil.
What sex really is is when two people touch each other and it feels nice.

Ideally the people of the future will realize this and they'll stop making such a big fuss out of it. Most people will want to have sex and so they do; it's not a big deal to them they just do because why not. There's no reason to be abstinent but also no pressure to do it. It's like, hey, here's a bowl of nuts, you can take them or you can leave them. Right now sex has a shit load of connotations, both negative and positive, and it's making threads like this possible. People need to realize that sex isn't magical, it's just a nice thing.

Originally Posted by Signet

I'll stick to conviction. Feelings are emotions, and emotions are by no means a good foundation to build trust and love upon.

Trust and love are emotions too.

Originally Posted by Signet

Tell me, tommo; why do couples break up so often?
Tell me, tommo; why do they continue to practice for divorce by indulging in meaningless relationships that lack true commitment?
Tell me, tommo; why do people think that their problems will be solved by finding ANOTHER mate?
Tell me, tommo; how did you become so convicted that this method that consistently leaves couple uncontent and relationships ruined and trust broken?

This isn't a problem with sex per se. It would be totally fine if two people had sex occasionally but then went each their own ways: As long as they both agree that that's the way it is. It's when two people feel differently about it that it gets troubling. If for example one wants a lot of sex and the other just wants to spend their time forever with the other person.

That's where you have your broken trust, but that doesn't have anything to do with sex in itself. In fact, these points could be used to attack the idea of love and relationships much in the same way that your thread attacks sex. Why must we put relationships on a pedestal? Everyone seems to get into relationships, even those who don't actually want to, and it results in broken trust.

As for your point on hedonism, I didn't actually recognize the word so I looked it up. But I cannot see how anyone could not be hedonistic? Everyone obviously wants to feel good. Everything we do, we do because we think we'll like the result.

Originally Posted by Signet

As if. I occasionally consider becoming so just to do away with all the hassle. But, I know that I would be totally changed in character and that would be cheating my friends out of their friend in me.

What? How do you "become" asexual? Could you similarly "become" a homosexual? Can you just

When I first read this thread, I thought what you meant was that sex is being treated like something it isn't. I agree with that, and I think we should stop thinking of it as something magical and special and instead think of it as just sex. But after reading through the thread up until now it really does sound like you hate sex all together. (Calling it an inexplicable freak of nature?)

At this point it really does sound like there's just a huge conflict inside you because you haven't had sex. Everyone against you should stop thinking of sex as if it's so important, and you should stop thinking of it as if it's such a bad thing.

Originally Posted by Signet

Careful with those words, ixsetf. Do you mind if I substitute "murder" for "the act" in that sentence? No?

That's ridiculous. Murder harms someone by definition, sex does not. The fact that it is possible for some people to equate sex with something like murder absolutely boggles my mind. They're diametrical opposites!
... But then again, if they both enjoy it? Sure go ahead then? But then it wouldn't really be "murder" as much as a freaky assisted suicide.

Originally Posted by Signet

UMind... no. Just no. Don't join the ranks of those trying to convince me for the sake of myself. I refuse to do so; I have a creed. I would sooner CASTRATE myself than give in to lust, and that's not cheap -- that's badass.

It would be badass if sex was actually an enemy that's trying to get to you.
But it isn't. Sex is just sex. Your creed that's keeping you away from sex is just as badass as my creed that's keeping me away from eating chocolate.

Originally Posted by Signet

You have obviously never seem me playing rock music live. You might wonder where all the passion comes from.

I think you should stop playing all that rock music and abstain with it until it becomes helpful and appropriate. You're giving in to your pure emotions by indulging in your urges to passionately play rock music. Oh, wait...

Originally Posted by Signet

Lack of commitment. They go hand in hand.

No they don't. If lack of commitment is what you don't like, you should complain about lack of commitment. People who are very committed to each other can have sex without losing their commitment. Thus they do not go hand in hand.

Originally Posted by Signet

I once heard it said: "Don't wait around for 'that right person' to find you; work to become 'that right person' for anyone who is worth it."

People get into relationships without having "found themselves" yet, yes. I guess maybe you could say that's why they break apart so often. But hey, you can actually be that person and have a sexuality at the same time!

Ok, here we go again.

Originally Posted by Signet

As if you're any more entitled. I, sir, have been studying this on and off for over a year. As I said.


1. Don't assume.
2. Don't assume.
3. Don't assume.
4. Question, don't assume.
5. I've also studied this stuff


Very well. Prove it, [sarcasm]married man.[/sarcasm]

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Things that women might assume if you don't want sex.

How long would you stay in a marriage without sex?
Something an actual married person said "But sex is something we both value too, and a lifetime without sex is not something I could choose to settle for"

Faulty analogy. You are comparing a man-made thrill to an inexplicable freak of nature. Sex is in a league totally of its own, and the thrills that man make don't hold a candle to it, am I right?
Playing with fire...

It doesn't matter if it's natural or not, you shouldn't make a commitment to something before trying it out.

And yet, through the ages of sexual "oppression" (which is a load of revisionist history bullshit, thanks to our different perspectives and wordviews) mankind has continued to procure more if its inane self. Whoopie.

FGM and and stoning for adultery? If that's not sexual repression what is it?

As if. I occasionally consider becoming so just to do away with all the hassle. But, I know that I would be totally changed in character and that would be cheating my friends out of their friend in me.

I think you don't get the term, Asexuality is a sexual orientation, just like you can be gay or straight, you can also be bisexual or asexual. Some Asexual people have a sex drive and some don't.

When it brought them to the point at which they decided they "couldn't hold off any longer."
Saying that is bullshit. It's just a selfish, lusty want at that point -- nothing respectful. Respect in this context would be the (hypothetical) two saying "I will contain my feelings (lust) for you until such a time that it is helpful and appropriate," not "I want you, I want you!"

If you were the only person interested, then yes, it is selfish, but if she is also interested in sex, it turns from "I want you, I want you!" to "We want each other, We want each other!" and that's not selfish anymore is it?

Careful with those words, ixsetf. Do you mind if I substitute "murder" for "the act" in that sentence? No?

Yes I do, you can't consent to murder, and I said that "the act" had to be consensual.

Quite true, and we know it. And that's okay.




No, no, no. I respect YOU for putting up with me ranting. Especially since people who try to uphold in any obvious way Judaeo-Christian values on this site tend to get shouted down by all the post-modernists.

Thank you, ixsetf.

The quote feature is not working. This site really fucking up lately. I think it goes with what I have been saying. Advertisements are ruining the internet.

Signet, responding to you last night was the last thing I did before I passed out. I read your post where you said something about a 40+ virgin you know, and I thought you were still talking about yourself. I got that screwed up. I just read your post where you said you are 19. That is completely different. So, never mind what I said. You are a teenager, so don't even worry about this. You are not ready for sex until you are ready to handle a pregnancy. Just don't let yourself become a 40 year old virgin. You would be really depressed about it at that point.

You know what? Forget it.
At this point, there are so many comments to rebut that I honestly don't feel the need to make myself do so.
This whole thread is nothing but another "difference in worldviews" thread. Since I am drawing only from observance and most of the responses are just "I think this/that" (relativism), it's a pretty dumb idea to continue.

Gentlemen, I am content with myself. As I said, it's a lot of the world around me that gets me ruffled.

I will reply to two points, though:

I cannot see how anyone could not be hedonistic[.]

HAH. Welcome to the real world, faun. You're not having a lucid; now really wake up.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Just don't let yourself become a 40 year old virgin. You would be really depressed about it at that point.

Nope. Again, I cite my 40-year-old virgin friend. That man has so much inner peace that he puts most others I know to shame.
If you give me a sustainable contact point, Mind, I'll tell you when I'm 40. Married or not, maybe we should talk then, eh?

Maybe it's just my computer that's screwed up. I still can't quote.

Signet, I will still be checking in at this site in 21 years unless I or this site dies first. I bet you will have a different perspective at that point, but maybe not. I will be interested in knowing what ended up happening then.

Originally Posted by Signet

HAH. Welcome to the real world, faun. You're not having a lucid; now really wake up.

If you're going to say that you no longer care about making your case and thus will stop replying to the massive amount of arguments against your view, but that you will still reply to just two of them, I think you should at least make that reply mean something. You did not offer any counter argument.

What I was trying to say with that is that everybody does things because they want to do things. Obviously. You wouldn't have made this thread if you didn't want to make this thread would you? Of course there can be conflict, like I imagine it is for you; your primal brain still has sexual urges, but the rest of you has decided not to pursue those desires. And you made that decision based on what you think would serve you best, i.e. what would give you the result you liked the most i.e. what would be most pleasant for you.

You wouldn't do anything if you didn't think, at least in the moment, that it was the best thing to do. Thus my claim is one of these two options: 1. Everyone is hedonistic or 2. I don't get hedonism. 3. I like the idea of being a faun, please call me Tumnus.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Signet, I will still be checking in at this site in 21 years unless I or this site dies first. I bet you will have a different perspective at that point, but maybe not. I will be interested in knowing what ended up happening then.

I think many of the arguments against Signet have been sort of rude and/or fallacious. This one is one of those easy ways to wave away his entire argument. What you're basically doing is saying that the argument can't be resolved until Signet turns 40. It's always easy to just say that someone is too young to get it, then you don't have to defend your argument at all. You'll get it when you're 40, you'll get it when you're a parent, you'll get it when you've tried it.
Don't worry you'll agree with me once you're smart.

Wow, this thread is a digrace.

There are tonnes of reasons to like or dislike sex. Personally I'm in favour of it, like alyzarin I think that life is about experience and sex is one of the highlights in that respect, but this is offcourse my opinion.
Yes I agree that society imposes the need for sex a little to hard but there is really nothing to rant about. Either you have sex and have a good time or you don't have sex and have a good time. If you are true to your ideals then it shouldn't matter what other people are saying.

Replace "sex" with "chocolate ice cream", and this thread becomes very funny, because it's basically about a person who says he doesn't like something delicious, and an entire forum is trying to convince him that chocolate ice cream is really great, but he refuses to try it out, because his 40 year old buddy, who never ate chocolate ice cream, has a personality trait he admires, that he for some reason attributes to an aversion to chocolate ice cream.

Maeni said this:

"I think many of the arguments against Signet have been sort of rude and/or fallacious. This one is one of those easy ways to wave away his entire argument. What you're basically doing is saying that the argument can't be resolved until Signet turns 40. It's always easy to just say that someone is too young to get it, then you don't have to defend your argument at all. You'll get it when you're 40, you'll get it when you're a parent, you'll get it when you've tried it.
Don't worry you'll agree with me once you're smart."

Maeni, that is not at all what my point was. How much did you look into our dialogue? Look before you leap. I said that he does not need to worry about sex as a teenager because he is still a kid and that a person isn't ready for sex until he or she is ready to handle a pregnancy. It sucks that people so young get messed with by social pressure to have sex. I added that if he is still a virgin at 40, it will depress him. He disagreed and offered to contact me when he is 40. I told him I will still be checking in here once in a while then. Understand?

Originally Posted by Maeni

What the fuck. Everyone here is making sex out to be something ridiculous that it isn't.
Signet is right that you don't need to have sex before marriage, but you're basically saying that love = sex, which is also bullshit.

It seems that one of you is arguing that sex is this magical end-all answer to life, while the other is arguing that sex is the source of all evil.
What sex really is is when two people touch each other and it feels nice.

Ideally the people of the future will realize this and they'll stop making such a big fuss out of it. Most people will want to have sex and so they do; it's not a big deal to them they just do because why not. There's no reason to be abstinent but also no pressure to do it. It's like, hey, here's a bowl of nuts, you can take them or you can leave them. Right now sex has a shit load of connotations, both negative and positive, and it's making threads like this possible. People need to realize that sex isn't magical, it's just a nice thing.

So, maeni, have you had sex? I'm pretty much positive you haven't, considering the whole pedo thing.
What makes you so sure it's JUST something that feels good?
If that were the case we'd be happy with dildos and fleshlights.

No, there is far more to it. Of course it depends on why you're doing it, who it's with.
It can just be something that feels good if you pick some hot chick up at a bar and fuck her in the toilets and leave as soon as you cum.
If you actually love the person, it is SO fucking much more than "something that feels good".

Great, now I want ice cream, too.

Just don't get the ice cream pregnant.

No worries, I always use a... spoon.

I think both parties are sort of missing the point.

Both society and biology pressure us to have sex. The trick is not confuse the pressure with an obligation. You're not required to have sex just because you're driven to. And frankly if you haven't found someone worth raising a family with there isn't much point in having sex other than because it feels really fucking good (which is something it has in common with heroin).

However there's also not much point in not having sex. Sex isn't really a big deal at all. And I feel like Signet is perhaps over-dramatizing the experience. There's not much reason to either go and get laid nor abstain from getting laid. Both positions are baseless. It's just sex.