Killing while Non-Lucid

[ZeraCook]

So a few days ago one of my friends, who is really into dreaming and is trying to attain lucidity, told me he had his first dream where he killed someone that morning. He said he woke up immediately and felt guilty and somewhat freaked out. I have lots of non-lucids where I'm killing, even Murdering. Now if you know me you know I've changed how I was and trying to live a life of righteousness and have been doing quite successful, so I started to worry when He made me think about this. If I am trying to be so righteous then why is my subconscious still leading a life of evil? Or would this not be harm to others since its all in my head, and if so then does that mean that its a form of self-harm or even suicide since I'm killing personalities in my head. Anyone else dream of killing while non-lucid? if so do you feel guilty afterwards?

[Xei]

Your moral worth is determined by the choices you make. If you have dreams or even a subconscious desire to kill; doesn't make you a bad person. In fact it makes you a better person, because you're making the decision to reject that impulse based on your moral compass. You'd know all this if you'd read Harry Potter.

[Alric]

I vaguely recall a dream where I ate someone before. I got eaten by like rats and turned into a zombie rat or something. In fact I can recall another dream where I just randomly swallowed a person whole. Dreams are just weird though. You have thousands and thousands of dreams every year an weird and crazy things happen all the time. You could watch 5 minutes of a tv show and you might dream about it, despite not likely it at all. You don't really have control over what you dream, and random things in your life might appear in your dream. They are not all based on your views or personality or likes. You can not make any judgement at all on a singular random dream. Feeling guilty about it is also just silly.

[ZeraCook]

I vaguely recall a dream where I ate someone before. I got eaten by like rats and turned into a zombie rat or something. In fact I can recall another dream where I just randomly swallowed a person whole. Dreams are just weird though. You have thousands and thousands of dreams every year an weird and crazy things happen all the time. You could watch 5 minutes of a tv show and you might dream about it, despite not likely it at all. You don't really have control over what you dream, and random things in your life might appear in your dream. They are not all based on your views or personality or likes. You can not make any judgement at all on a singular random dream. Feeling guilty about it is also just silly. Naw dude there not singular dreams they are constant dreams I've had for years I never felt bad about it. It wasn't till the other day my friend had his first dream where he killed someone that I questioned if it was normal to always dream about killing. I mean its not an everynight thing but Its often in fact some of the time I don't write in My DJ if I kill someone.

[ZeraCook]

Your moral worth is determined by the choices you make. If you have dreams or even a subconscious desire to kill; doesn't make you a bad person. In fact it makes you a better person, because you're making the decision to reject that impulse based on your moral compass. Is that a word for word quote or is it your own cause I wanna quote you.

[DeletePlease]

Feel free to use it in your sig space; he got it from me, word for word.

[Marvo]

You should turn yourself in, dream killing is illegal.

[ThisWitheredMan]

Marvo is joking, but I'm actually kind of curious what would happen if you actively sought out the police in a lucid dream and confessed your murder of dream characters. I personally don't find myself killing people in my non-lucids. In fact the only things I ever seem to attack at all are always skeletons and zombies. In a lucid dream I spawned a sword and absentmindedly swiped at a dream character and it didn't hurt him at all, and in that same dream I did a finger gun at another and shot him but he was uninjured. In both cases I think it's because I really, really didn't want to actually attack these random people, nor see any sort of vivid violence. Like Xei said, however, if you're actively resisting 'immoral' urges, that makes you a more moral person. It would seem it's 'easier' for me because it's automatic.

[ZeraCook]

well thank you All you guys have put my conscious mind to rest, and made me feel kind of proud of my own... self control I guess.

[ThisWitheredMan]

I'm not sure if you've ever actually killed anyone in waking life, hah, but another thing worth mentioning is that I do a lot of lucid-type stuff in non-lucid dreams, including flying and teleporting and spawning things, all kinds of things that it doesn't make a lot of sense for me to be automatically doing without being/becoming lucid. My point is, killing someone in a non-lucid dream doesn't necessarily mean you have the urge to kill, it could just be a representation of your frustration and anger towards that person, or towards people in general, but not necessarily that you are subconsciously capable of murder or necessarily more violent than anyone else.

[ZeraCook]

Yeah I had fear of all those things once I started thinking about it, but you kind of just gave me the Idea that I could be able to use my killing in Non-Lucid to realise and get lucid, but you only made me think that because most times I start flying and teleporting or using my Telekinesis because I try telekinesis as an RC too.

[Zhaylin]

Excellent points! I've had problems with this as well... But my guilt went further lol. When I was deeply spiritual and then religious and practicing my religion I ended up quitting smoking for 8 years. But I dreamed of smoking almost every single night lol. I would have random sex or death dreams. My brain isn't working so well right now because I've been up for 2 days, but I can't recall ever dreaming about personally murdering someone. I only dream of being myself about half the time though and I DC jump a lot. "I" become random DC's throughout my dreams as the story unfolds a lot of times. One of my most awesome dreams ever was of a primitive war. "I" seemed to be a male leader of some African tribe. I was rallying the people to war and there were ritual dances and songs. Then some modernized troops massacred the natives and I hopped from one victim to the other and then into the modern soldiers. It was an awe inspiring dream to say the least! So, while I dream of death and murder it's usually not ME doing the killing. But I still wake up feeling somehow dirty. I even feel guilty over gory zombie-type dreams lol. My guilt, however, was self-instilled. I figure that our thoughts make us who we are. We should automatically BE that person no matter the circumstances. Our dreams reveal (by and large) what's in our heart... you know, the person we actually are when no one is looking so to speak. Yeah, movies, books, snippets of conversations etc trickle their way into our dreams but I think how it's all put together can be truly revealing. Then too, sometimes a dream is just a dream lol. When you discern a pattern though, that's when (IMHO) self discovery can be best made. Succumbing to guilt does little if you don't learn from it. Just shrug the dream off and look at the contents logically (while still drawing off your emotions from a distance). Do what you will with the information you gleam but don't beat yourself up about it (unless you really deserve it ) (As an aside, I'm also bothered by people's dying exclamations. I wonder how many people die in an accident and their last words are "Oh shit!" So I used to obsessively watch my language at such times throughout my life )

[ZeraCook]

E (As an aside, I'm also bothered by people's dying exclamations. I wonder how many people die in an accident and their last words are "Oh shit!" So I used to obsessively watch my language at such times throughout my life ) when you say this it reminds me of a while back I was with my cousin and he asked me if I wanted to watch 1000 ways to die and I told him I don't watch it or things like it and when he asked why I told him the truth, "I don't want my last thought before death to be, hey I saw this on 1000 ways to die."

[ThisWitheredMan]

I just noticed something about my behavior in dreams last night. I guess this is only in lucids, but it also happens sort of non-lucidly, like I just kind of find myself doing it, and generally speaking have to make an effort to NOT do it because it's such a waste of time (though fun): It seems basically any time I see an attractive woman in a lucid dream I absolutely throw myself upon her without even thinking about it. Being dream characters they are receptive, but to a certain extent it seems almost molestery, and I have to drag myself away to avoid wasting the lucid. I don't do this in waking life, though perhaps the point is that I would if I could get away with it? Point being, I guess, that you shouldn't take the occurrences in your dreams TOO seriously. I don't think you killing in your dreams makes you a murderer at heart any more than my apparent ravenous appetite makes me a molester at heart... If that makes sense lol.

[tropicalbreeze]

i had a few dreams were i killed someone. i don't feel guilty because i have no desire to kill anyone in my waking life. i had a dream that i was killing my family one by one. hunting them down. i took that as, i was killing my attachment to them because that was exactly what was happening in my waking life.

[Wayfaerer]

Killer instinct, man. You're a biological organism.

[dutchraptor]

What is most important is the emotions you felt during the dream. I barely take Non-Lucid's serious because they can be so realistic that you may really believe you are a soldier. I often kill people but i don't feel any strong emotion nor is the victim ever someone I know. I would only be surprised if I repeatedly killed someone I knew or I felt intense fear/anger/grief while doing it.

[Neekstar]

It's okay to kill people in dreams, but not in real life. Simple as that.

[Arra]

I just woke up (so sorry about this reply if it's disorganized), and when I read that thread title it jolted back a memory of a dream I had last night in which I was killing people. I didn't remember before reading it a minute ago. This has also been my first murder dream. I mean I have plenty of dreams in which people die, are dead, zombies, ghosts, killed by someone else, etc. I've even had dreams in which I've killed someone who I judged to be 'bad' but that was more in a heroic way. But this is the first time I've dreamed of killing people who hare pretty much innocent and actually desiring to in a Dexter-ish way. I was sort of an assassin, and at one point I was about to kill a person but didn't know if I was supposed to or not. I found myself wanting to kill him anyway for the fun of it, hoping I was supposed to kill him. Then this moral part of my brain turned on and told me I should be more careful, that killing someone is wrong, that person has a whole life of memories and a mind and emotions like I do. That stopped me from killing him but also made me want to kill him more. It's this malicious feeling I get rarely in real life (1-2 times a year rarely), like this terrible anger that gets pleasure from inducing suffering, but controlled and rational. When I do get this feeling it's only a part of me, and another part of me gets really scared and stops it almost immediately, so there isn't a problem. Whether you judge it to be wrong or not really depends on the feeling you get while doing it and how much you're able to suppress it, even in dreams. I wouldn't jump to say it's definitely okay either. If the dream I described were common then I would be worried, because I don't want to be the type of person who desires to do horrible things. Even if it were limited to dreams, I'd still be worried that my subconsciousness is fucked up, that I am something which I decide through reason is wrong. So maybe you should be worried, or maybe not. If you don't feel the 'desire' to kill but your dreams just involve a lot of killing for some reason, then perhaps there's nothing wrong and your brain just focuses on that for some non-apparent reason. Most of my dreams used to involve bodies of water and I have no idea why. Maybe this is similar, just a random thing your mind wants to focus on.

[PalmDreamer]

In a dream, I once shot a kid in the head, believing it to have actually happened I was in shock. I had so much emotion pouring through me because of it I realized I was actually dreaming (that was what lead to my 1 and only LD). A few days later, I had a dream where I did an RC, told myself I was dreaming and proceeded to shoot lots of people because I was after all dreaming. However, I was not lucid, or at least I had no control over my own actions or surface thoughts. After that I stopped playing Battlefield 3 as often and I haven't had such a ruthlessly violent dream since. Sometimes its killing in non-lucids could just be attributed to video games or movies recently experienced.

[Carrot]

Dream logic works different from real life logic, you mentioned you got them in your non-lucids meaning your consciousness doesn't have control over it. If it's not bothering you, I don't think there's anything to worry about. It is not immoral to kill a DC. Killing could be a dream sign symbolising something. It could represent pent up frustrations. It could represent something that's affecting you in real life but you got so numbed to it, you're not even looking at it anymore. I always believe dreams are a way of telling you what problems you had. Instead of thinking that killing is wrong in a dream, I would suggest you to find out what's exactly bothering you in real life that's giving you lots of killing dreams. I had a couple of dreams where I was attacking, I'm not sure whether I killed them but I think I did once in a dream. I usually attack back if someone or some things in my dream started attacking me, self-defence mechanism. Or it could be the DCs were bothering me. I had a most unusual dream recently where I was pretending to be the good guy but I knew I wasn't the good guy but I couldn't catch any evidences of myself playing the bad guy, there was even a planned assassination and I wonder was I behind it. I think I have some complex issues going on in my mind.

[tempusername]

I can't remember ever killing anyone in a dream. I'm worried.

[Iokheira]

I've killed a couple of people in me dreams. Except for the first time, I've never felt bad if they deserved it (like someone breaking into my house and threatening to kill my family). I've only occasionally felt bad if they didn't. Those were non-lucids, so I don't think it really counts as much. Particularly if you're not in your own form, when I'm dreaming I'm a an animal, some things are a lot harder to resist. That begs the question though: Is killing in lucids wrong? I think so if you want to irl. Not that that would stop you, I mean, it's a dream.

[h1nchm4n]

Your subconscious and unconscious are where your inner instincts are located. Humans naturally desire sex and violence. These two needs are focused in your unconscious and subconscious. The only way humans stop themselves from having sex with whatever is around them, killing everything around them, or blowing things up is their conscious. Your conscious is your moral center of your brain. It's quite rare for me to have a dream where I'm not violent or killing things. Dreams are where you can let yourself go, and do whatever, without worrying about it. It doesn't reflect who you are at all. Non Lucid dreams merely bring out your unconscious and subconscious needs and desires. You could be the purest person on the planet, but still have violent dreams. Don't worry about it! You aren't alone Keep dreaming!

[Grod]

Don't concern yourself with it. Everyone has a sub (or even conscious) desire to kill, rape, destroy, and otherwise ruin everything they have ever loved. I often have dreams about various external and internal forms of destruction. Going into detail isn't necessary because everyone who is honest with themselves is able to empathize. I actually enjoy these dreams, as far from reality as they are. Even in an idle daydream, everyone wants to say "fuck it all" and cause as much mayhem as possible before being sedated. These destructive 'fantasies'are nothing to be worried about and certainly nothing to be fretting over the possibility of about carrying out. The fact that you think about this stuff demonstrates your humanity. I even believe the indulgence of these 'fantasies' is healthy; it's a release. I'd be more worried if you didn't have dreams like this.