Hey look more fallacious propaganda
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...87450346_n.jpg
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Hey look more fallacious propaganda
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...87450346_n.jpg
^ Fallacious indeed. All that line of argument proves is that an armed teacher couldn't stop someone from killing one kid. But could he/she stop someone from killing 26 kids? You bet your ass.
The image is not rational. It takes one incident and applies the outcome to all hypothetical incidents of the type. It involves very weak inductive reasoning. However, it does point out that teachers with guns would not 100% guarantee that there would be no school shootings. And like cmind said, it does not make any kind of a statement about mass shootings.
This image, on the other hand, makes a really good point.
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Do you understand the argument made by the image? Is the argument fallacious? The fact that some political images are fallacious does not prove that they all are.
* If you click the image, it will get big. I am still having trouble posting images of the right size. I clicked off the "Retrieve remote file and reference locally" box, and the image came out small any way. The site won't let me copy and paste images any more.
Yeah that image does the same thing, it relates assault rifles to hand guns. That's the most common fallacious criticism of the gun control being proposed. They think the feds will literally come take their guns but non de facto is in the constitution. You cannot relate secret service to mass shootings any better by doing it in reverse.
Guns can be used for protection. Obama agrees. However, his agenda goes against his own perspective.
Obama hints at handgun restrictions too | WashingtonExaminer.com
That article is so biased I can't even read it. Do you have a less extremist news source? Maybe one that isn't basically just publicizing the NRA's paranoid outlook?
The Washington Examiner isn't just some right wing lunatic website. It is a mainstream Virginia newspaper. Are you saying they made up the quote? If so, there is a really good lawsuit that could be waiting for them. Here are some more sources.
"Part of it is seeing if we can get an assault-weapons ban reintroduced. But part of it is also looking at other sources of the violence. Because frankly, in my home town of Chicago, there’s an awful lot of violence and they’re not using AK-47s. They’re using cheap hand guns." - Obama, as quoted in...
Newtown and What Obama Must Do About Guns : The New Yorker
What President Obama said about gun control in the 2012 campaign
Gun control: Obama, Romney not fired up enough - Los Angeles Times
This is interesting...
Barack Obama on Gun Control
South Australians up for cash rewards for information leading to gun busts
State Political Editor, Daniel Wills**
adelaidenow
February 21, 2013*1:16PM
REWARDS of up to $10,000 will be offered for people who give South Australian police information that leads to major gun busts.
Premier Jay Weatherill announced the measure today in response to a spate of recent shootings - 17 since December 31.
He said the state could have confidence most of the shootings were not random but conceded more needed to be done to address the problem.
The gun bounty follows a recent amnesty encouraging people to hand in illegal guns.
Mr Weatherill said the actual amount paid would be determined `case by case' using existing police guidelines on handing out rewards.
"We understand there has been considerable concern in the community following a series of incidents involving firearms," Mr Weatherill said.
"The State Government views this behaviour as abhorrent and is dedicated to taking every measure possible to get these illegal weapons out of the hands of criminals."
Deputy Police Commissioner Grant Stevens said the reward suggestion came from a member of the public.
"Illicit firearms are weapons that have either been illegally imported or manufactured or stolen from registered firearms owners,"
he said.
"These illicit firearms are then used to commit violent crimes and used in criminal activities."
Here is the link to News Article:
South Australians up for cash rewards for information leading to gun busts | adelaidenow
“The laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity...will respect the less important and arbitrary ones... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants, they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.” – quoted from Enlightenment philosopher Cesare Beccaria’s On Crimes and Punishment, 1764; translated by Jefferson and copied into his Commonplace Book of great quotations.
Joe Biden says in his own voice that he does not think gun control will be effective. I am so glad this guy keeps spilling the beans about the Obama administration. This is more evidence that the Obama administration is not really trying to reduce gun deaths through gun control. They are control freaks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTyoppK_aDM
I've been seeing alot on the news about cops being more afraid now than ever because so many of them are being shot. But all cops have guns. And they want to disarm people and tighten gun control. Making it harder to get a gun. But don't you think we have just as much of right to self defence as cops, no matter who we are? I think if it ever came down to the government trying to grab up people's guns it would lead to more violence and instability. People are already on edge.
Here's some propaganda I that I don't actually find fallacious. While it is technically still confusing a causation with correlation and perhaps ignore other factors that enabled the result, it's safe to assume the link being implied is sound:
https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphot...15975783_n.jpg
This is my main problem with the gun control arguments I see, it's hypocritical. Here's some quotes from an argument I've been in on FBQuote:
Originally Posted by saltyseedog
Him: I would say that shrinking the number of military style weapons in circulation wouldn't grow the death toll. It seems like everyone wants handguns for security but still wants to ensure that the loose nuts have access to AKs & AR15s..
And I would say armed staff in elementary schools will have a negative psychological print regarding conflict resolution. It's not the right message to send that violence is curbed with more guns, or that you may not be safe in school without one. I don't want children feeling that sort of life/death decision compulsion.
Me: I'm not actually arguing against banning AR-15s, or at least regulating them better. But we already live in a society that believes violence should be answered with more violence, hence why police equipment has slowly drifted toward military grade (including tanks and assault rifles). We're currently forcibly and violently occupying four nations and recklessly bombing several others. It would be nothing less than utterly hypocritical to try and teach children that we, as a nation, do not believe in violence as a means of resolving conflict.
Someone: America loves guns. Every other civilized country in the world has restrictions on gun ownership and as a result there are less gun deaths. Until we ban assault rifles, enforce stricter background checks and dismiss the silly idea that more guns is the answer to our problems, more and more people will die. The rest of the world will continue to think we are idiots, and sadly, they will be right.
Me: Gun deaths are lower in other countries, yes, but violent crime and home invasion is not actually any higher, per capita. In fact it's quite a bit lower than a lot of nations with stricter gun laws. I never said guns are the solution, but neither is banning them.
While I'm against gun control of any kind (including automatic weapons) I think this thread has become something of a circle jerk.
This is very profound.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMso12zeYDQ
