the clouds I saw today

This is the first time I've ever seen anything resembling what others have called 'chemtrails'. It was disgusting looking at them.

I'm in San Antonio, TX. Earlier today, around 1pm, the sky was blue and the clouds were puffy and white. But while I was at work I noticed that blue sky turned into the white-out. Just this blinding hazy white. That was "NORMAL". This haziness has been a part of my daily life for years. But the chemtrail watchers tell me this hazy sky is not normal, I finally understand them.

When I left work at 7pm I saw them, two large billowy "contrails" going across the sky, associated with whispy hazy clouds. I decided to document as much as I could! Let me explain to you what I saw as I was seeing it. Those "contrails" were quickly fanning out into pseudo clouds. Very hazy, feathery clouds. At the same time it looked as though they were too heavy for the sky and started to "fall". Rain looks very different, but it still had that vertical feel when you see rain falling from a distance.

But after they fanned out and seemed to "fall" everything was starting to blur together, as this blinding hazy white-out. I don't know how many pictures I can share in one post???

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Here are more examples of what I saw today. The last pictures I took as the sun was setting said it all, it resembled a sky most people would take as completely normal. The very last thing I saw resembled a rain cloud, but it wasn't. It was still so strange billowy contrails that fanned out into pseudo clouds, that had merged and seemed so heavy for the sky it fell and touched the earth, appearing to others as a rain cloud when there's no rain.

And before you start screaming and howling in my thread, there is something you should know. While many just scoff and laugh at "chemtrail", GMO companies consider it an opportunity to dominate. Do the research, GMO Aluminum Resistant Trees.

So when the trees die off from the poisoning, don't worry if you didn't pay attention to the conspiracy nuts! Monsanto and their patents will save you!

And because of certain members, I can't guarantee that I will continue to participate in my own thread. More than anything, I just thought you should know.

Hey, you're, as they say, preaching to the choir. Some friends of my parents first alerted them to Chemtrails, and my mother told me about them; I was skeptical at first, but when you really pay attention, there is a marked difference between the usual exhaust of an airplane and these chemtrails. The Chemtrails stick around, for one--while normal exhaust fades away. Also, Chemtrails spread out, you can see it happen, but it sorta hangs in the air, whereas normal exhaust doesn't behave quite the same way--it disappears before spreading like in your pictures.

You see those all the time where I live; and they also form a grid pattern too; I'll have to take a picture the next time it happens, it's freaking crazy :o

~SilverWolf~

I don't see any reason to believe these aren't just regular clouds.... :?

You've posted pictures of cirrus clouds mixed in with with altostratus clouds mixed in with a few contrails from airplanes. Well done.

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Originally Posted by TheSilverWolf

Hey, you're, as they say, preaching to the choir.

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lol..nope. You just haven't been on DVs long enough to understand the level of which is anyone who knows of chemtrails will be treated as ignorant and stupid

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Originally Posted by TimeDragon97

I don't see any reason to believe these aren't just regular clouds.... :?

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Exactly, you just aren't 'seeing'.

All of those clouds first started out as 'contrails'. That's why they aren't regular clouds. You don't have to take my word for it. You just have to go outside and witness it for yourself. For major cities this activity is reported at least once every two weeks.

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Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

You've posted pictures of cirrus clouds mixed in with with altostratus clouds mixed in with a few contrails from airplanes. Well done.

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As I was photographing that lonely little "pooped" contrail, another plane flew by. That plane had a legitimate contrail. It followed behind the plane, it was clean, streamlined, and it vanished before your eyes. At no point in time was that clean contrail ever 'pooped' out to linger.

In other words, I know what a contrail looks like. Do you?

Perhaps there are some people on the forum, and maybe eventually even in this thread, who actually know anything about cloud formation and aeroplanes; but I am not one of them and juroara certainly isn't either.

I've never heard the term 'chemtrail' in my life. I prefer puffy clouds to the hazy ones too, but that doesn't mean they disgust me. Are they supposed to be caused by pollution or something?

Joe Rogan SE01 E02
A full program on the subject of chemtrails.
Some serious discussions, and a few nuts added in for flavour.

What better place to hide a conspiracy, than out in the open.
You can cover up any action in the USA by labeling it as a conspiracy.
This way the 'nutters' get on board, and mess any facts up so much, that nobody takes the subject seriously.
So, juroara, you have very little chance of getting your thread taken seriously.

This even happens when I tell others about lucid dreaming, and Dream Views. They think I have lost a few marbles.
" You are a member of WHAT? A dream forum. What a waste of time. "

Good luck with this one though.

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Originally Posted by TiredPhil

Joe Rogan SE01 E02
A full program on the subject of chemtrails.
Some serious discussions, and a few nuts added in for flavour.

What better place to hide a conspiracy, than out in the open.
You can cover up any action in the USA by labeling it as a conspiracy.
This way the 'nutters' get on board, and mess any facts up so much, that nobody takes the subject seriously.
So, juroara, you have very little chance of getting your thread taken seriously.

This even happens when I tell others about lucid dreaming, and Dream Views. They think I have lost a few marbles.
" You are a member of WHAT? A dream forum. What a waste of time. "

Good luck with this one though.

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The typical skeptics that have participated in this thread have only made noise. They provided no debunking material. Its unlikely any of them have spent the time investigating this, there's plenty of great documentaries on youtube about it. Anyways, its real! And its not a conspiracy theory, its an actual conspiracy. They are patenting alum. resistant trees. That matters to me.

This is what a contrail looks like, clean, streamline, evaporates moments later. Recognize the clear difference.


I crappily filmed this in the same time period I took the photos, it was on the other side of the sky though. I couldn't see the tiny plane through my view finder so I lost it for a moment.

Anyways, I'm sure I'll see this activity again! I really wanna do some time lapse photography making it clear how the "contrails" billow out into pseudo clouds.

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Originally Posted by juroara

The typical skeptics that have participated in this thread have only made noise. They provided no debunking material.

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Uh, you might wanna check who has the burden of proof here, ie. you.

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Originally Posted by TimeDragon97

Uh, you might wanna check who has the burden of proof here, ie. you.

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I made this thread to share what I saw in the sky.

I already made a different thread concerning the proof for the chemtrail argument. In that thread I posted a chemtrail documentary to get you started to help you understand the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail. There are also soil, water and atmospheric samples that have been collected supporting the chemtrail argument. What was discovered in those soil, water and atmospheric samples completely coincides with what scientists were promising to do over 10 years ago.

When global warming was actually on the publics mind and people were actually scared about global flooding, scientists proposed a way to save mankind. They planed global aerosol spraying of aluminum, barium and other things to deflect the sunlight and effectively cool off the earth. At that time, they were not given the greenlight to proceed with the project because their plan is toxic to biological life.

But if you aren't going to watch any documentary concerning chemtrails, then don't waste my time. I'll continue to use THIS thread to document that activity I see in SA.

If they wanted to pump the atmosphere with aerosols to prevent global warming, using commercial jets is the absolute worst way to achieve that goal. Commercial jets would have to fly much higher than they actually can otherwise the chemicals would just get diluted in the jetstream and end up raining back to earth. That and they would have to be deposited in MASSIVE quantities, more than a commercial jet would accommodate.

The logistics of orchestrating such a program are immense. Impractically so.

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Originally Posted by juroara

As I was photographing that lonely little "pooped" contrail, another plane flew by. That plane had a legitimate contrail. It followed behind the plane, it was clean, streamlined, and it vanished before your eyes. At no point in time was that clean contrail ever 'pooped' out to linger.

In other words, I know what a contrail looks like. Do you?

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If you're argument is that real contrails always vanish relatively quickly and chemtrails linger, then you don't know what a contrail looks like. There's no time limit on when a contrail must dissipate and vanish. They can often linger and form large sheets of clouds.

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Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

If they wanted to pump the atmosphere with aerosols to prevent global warming, using commercial jets is the absolute worst way to achieve that goal. Commercial jets would have to fly much higher than they actually can otherwise the chemicals would just get diluted in the jetstream and end up raining back to earth. That and they would have to be deposited in MASSIVE quantities, more than a commercial jet would accommodate.

The logistics of orchestrating such a program are immense. Impractically so.

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The problem is you're assuming they were telling the truth, lol. I believe they had a completely different agenda having nothing to do with global warming. Like everything else with the US government, that's just a cover up.

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Originally Posted by juroara

When global warming was actually on the publics mind and people were actually scared about global flooding, scientists proposed a way to save mankind. They planed global aerosol spraying of aluminum, barium and other things to deflect the sunlight and effectively cool off the earth. At that time, they were not given the greenlight to proceed with the project because their plan is toxic to biological life.

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I cannot imagine any real scientist proposing anything like this.

As Blueline explained, the quantities you are suggesting this occurs in are much too small to have a serious impact on global warming, especially not if you're suggesting that some/much/all of it precipitates down to the surface.

I just want to point something out to those that have such a hard time believing the government would be involved in any conspiracy that would harm the American public. Last semester or so I took a class for my psychology degree--Drugs and Drug Dependance. In this course, we learned that sometime in either the 50's or so (I think it was 50's, may have been a tad earlier or later), our government decided we needed to know more about how LSD works. So, they went and doped up an entire town, slipping it into their water supply. Later on, this was found out (the government actually admits to doing this now), and the government paid off the inhabitants of that town so they didn't get their **** sued off.

There is also an ADMITTED case where the CIA dosed one of their agents with a large amount of LSD just to see what would happen. The agent in question did not know or volunteer for such experimentation, it was slipped into his drink while he was off-duty.

So, still think our government would "never" do something harmful to us on purpose?

~SilverWolf~

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Originally Posted by juroara

The problem is you're assuming they were telling the truth, lol.

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I'm assuming who is telling the truth? The government? Telling the truth about what? That using commercial jets would be impractical? That they'd have to fly higher than they can? That the chemicals would be diluted and would fall back to earth in the rain if they weren't deposited high enough? That they'd have to be deposited in massive quantities to have any noticeable effect? It's indisputable no matter who says it.

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I believe they had a completely different agenda having nothing to do with global warming.

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You made a thread called "Aluminum, Barium, and Strontium" and spent your first post in a wild craze, telling us how chemtrails are how the government secretly solves global warming despite adverse health effects. And you believe they have a completely different agenda now?

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Like everything else with the US government, that's just a cover up.

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It's very convenient for the mind susceptible to conspiracy-thinking to consider everything as part of a cover-up, isn't it?

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I cannot imagine any real scientist proposing anything like this.

As Blueline explained, the quantities you are suggesting this occurs in are much too small to have a serious impact on global warming, especially not if you're suggesting that some/much/all of it precipitates down to the surface.

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Yeah you're right, it does go back down to the surface, but I think that's the real point!

Some cooky scientists did go on TV at one point and proposed these ideas, Al Gore time. So were talking pre 2000. They don't call it chemtrails. They call it geo-engineering with aerosol spraying. Even now, ten years later, there's articles here and there that they are still proposing spraying something in the atmosphere to deflect the sun. As far as the public knows, its all just silly far-out science talk.

The chemtrail conspiracy is that this activity is already happening, has been happening, and its happening for different agendas.

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Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

I'm assuming who is telling the truth? The government? Telling the truth about what? That using commercial jets would be impractical? That they'd have to fly higher than they can? That the chemicals would be diluted and would fall back to earth in the rain if they weren't deposited high enough? That they'd have to be deposited in massive quantities to have any noticeable effect? It's indisputable no matter who says it.

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The chemtrail conspiracy has nothing to do with deflecting sunlight or stopping global warming so none of those issues matter. The chemtrail conspiracy is about dumping a toxic stew on suspecting people and the land, and convincing everyone there's nothing to look at 'just clouds'.

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You made a thread called "Aluminum, Barium, and Strontium" and spent your first post in a wild craze, telling us how chemtrails are how the government secretly solves global warming despite adverse health effects. And you believe they have a completely different agenda now?

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I'm willing to entertain any idea if I have enough evidence for it. The evidence I see is global warming was a cover up for a different agenda, or to confuse and control legislation. Now that they are patenting Alum. resistant trees, a whole new picture emerges. Create a toxic environment and then control the GMOs that can grow in that toxic environment, ultimate domination. Sounds insane? I think so. But there isn't any sane reason for global aerosol spraying, that's why its so hard to believe in chemtrails. Any motive is insane.

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It's very convenient for the mind susceptible to conspiracy-thinking to consider everything as part of a cover-up, isn't it?

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Unfortunately, after learning about Monsanto and how it controls the FDA - I've lost all faith in my government. I really believe they are capable of any imaginable evil. Horrible, I know.

A while back I was watching a doc' on something to do with Global Warming.
The narrator pointed out that global temperature rise/fall was 100% man made.
He needed to go back and find days when the greatest fluctuations occured.
What he found was quite literaly proof ( for some of us ) that the climate, and people can be controlled by aeroplane emissions.
The days selected were when the skies were almost clear of air traffic.
This includes 9/11 as all flights in US airspace were grounded.
Also a few other days when airflights were low.
If I remember the doc' I will post a link to it on here.

THEY ARE CONTROLLING THE WEATHER AND UNLEASHING MILLIONS OF NANOBOTS INTO THE ATMOSPHERE TO INFILTRATE OUR BODIES IN ORDER TO CONTROL US LIKE MACHINES. THIS IS ALSO HOW MORGELLONS DISEASE IS SPREADING. HOLD ON TO YOUR HATS, THE REAL SHIT STORM HAS JUST STARTED BREWING. :panic:

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THEY ARE CONTROLLING THE WEATHER AND UNLEASHING MILLIONS OF NANOBOTS INTO THE ATMOSPHERE TO INFILTRATE OUR BODIES IN ORDER TO CONTROL US LIKE MACHINES. THIS IS ALSO HOW MORGELLONS DISEASE IS SPREADING. HOLD ON TO YOUR HATS, THE REAL SHIT STORM HAS JUST STARTED BREWING. :panic:

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I think your CAPS LOCK button is jammed mate.

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Originally Posted by TiredPhil

I think your CAPS LOCK button is jammed mate.

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Surely it'd make more sense for the shift key to be jammed. Caps lock only has to be toggled once :)