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      Cannabis Legalisation

      Baking Nomad, cannabis legalisation

      It is 8pm Monday 19-October here in Adelaide. I am watching "Australian Story" on TV. It reminded me of your campaign to get canabis legalised in Hawaii. Here is a thread you started.

      You posted this in September 2010

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      Here is an artical about the "Australian story I watched at 8pm last night.



      Lucy Haslam's plan to supply medicinal cannabis unchanged by legalisation proposal - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)



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      Lucy Haslam's plan to supply medicinal cannabis unchanged by legalisation proposal

      Australian Story*

      By Jennifer Feller

      Updated*yesterday at 9:24pm

      Medicinal cannabis campaigner Lucy Haslam has responded to the Federal Government's announcement that it will legalise medicinal cannabis with a cautious welcome.

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      Key points:

      Lucy Haslam wants to grow and supply medicinal cannabis herself from Tamworth

      Decision comes after the death of her son from bowel cancer

      Ms Haslam says recent Federal Government announcement concerning legalisation has not changed her plan

      NSW Premier Mike Baird credits Haslams as the driving force behind recent initiatives

      After losing her son Daniel to cancer in February this year, the former nurse has been heavily involved in political discussions surrounding legalisation.
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      "I am pleased that politicians are ready to get on board but I hope and pray that the outcomes are in the best interests of the patients and that reform is more than political grandstanding," she said.

      Over the past year, Ms Haslam has grown increasingly impatient with political delay and has been working on her own initiative to make medicinal cannabis accessible.

      She has told Australian Story of a radical plan to grow and supply cannabis herself, and has already assembled a team to work on the Tamworth-based project.

      "At the moment we are looking for a property in Tamworth to set up a small research and development facility," Ms Haslam said.

      "My goal is that in the short- to mid-term we'll be able to produce a product to supply people like Dan who need compassionate access to medical cannabis now."

      The team has recently applied for a New South Wales Government exemption to cultivate the drug and is waiting for a decision.

      If successful they will be able to grow cannabis for research and development purposes. The ultimate aim is to supply patients who register under a 'compassionate access scheme' which is still being developed.

      I honestly think that medicinal cannabis would not be where it is today without Lucy's intervention together with Dan's.

      NSW Premier Mike Baird

      Such a scheme would ensure that medicinal cannabis would not only be accessible to all those who require it, but would be priced appropriately.

      "The long-term goal is for medicinal cannabis to be legalised, but further to that we need to make sure that when it's legalised it's affordable," Ms Haslam said.

      Ms Haslam and her husband Lou, a former drug squad officer, have put their cafe and gift shop business on the market to help fund the project in Tamworth.

      The Haslams' plan is also supported by Daniel's widow Alyce.

      "I think Dan would possibly be a little bit surprised knowing that his mother is planning on setting up a cannabis centre in Tamworth, but I mean this whole journey has been full of surprises," she said.

      Haslams the 'driving force' behind medicinal cannabis change


      PHOTO:*For three years Lucy Haslam's son Daniel experienced debilitating nausea as a result of chemotherapy and only gained relief when he began using cannabis as a medicine.(Supplied: Paul Mathews)


      Ms Haslam is widely credited as the driving force behind various state and federal initiatives aimed at legalising the drug.

      She and Daniel, who was diagnosed with bowel cancer at age 20, started campaigning for legalisation when forced to access cannabis from the black market.

      NSW Premier Mike Baird told Australian Story that he was persuaded to act on the issue after meeting last year with the Haslams.

      "It was very clear listening to the story that I wanted to do something," he said.

      "I honestly think that medicinal cannabis would not be where it is today without Lucy's intervention together with Dan's.

      "They have turned this debate on its head and I think the country has turned with her."

      A staunch opponent of recreational drugs, Ms Haslam admits her journey has been a strange one.

      "I'm in a constant state of amazement at how weird my life has become. I would gladly give it up and have Dan back in a heartbeat but that's not the way life is. We just had to do this, we had no choice," she said.

      Medicinal Cannabis legislation efforts:

      Federal initiativesThe*Federal Government*has announced that it will seek parliamentary support before year's end to*allow the controlled cultivation of cannabis for medicinal or scientific purposes. Patients may be able to access regulated medicinal cannabis as early as 2017.

      The*Regulator of Medicinal Cannabis Bill 2014, a private member's bill which had cross-party support, was to have been tabled in parliament in November by*the Greens. It would have established a regulator independent from the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) which would have overseen a scheme to make medicinal cannabis available to patients who qualify for treatment.

      The*NSW Government*has announced a*series of clinical trials to commence in 2016.

      They include trials for children with severe, drug-resistant epilepsy;

      adults with terminal illness, focusing on improving quality of life and symptoms such as pain, nausea and vomiting;

      and adults with chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting, where standard treatment is ineffective.

      Last December the*NSW Government*announced a scheme to protect certain categories of patients in possession of limited quantities of medicinal cannabis from prosecution. Patients need to register with the Government.The*NSW Government*has also established a Centre for Medicinal Cannabis Research and Innovation to oversee clinical trials, research and education.

      The*Victorian Government*has announced that it will legalise access to locally manufactured medicinal cannabis for use in exceptional circumstances from 2017 including for children with severe epilepsy.

      The*Victorian Government*will also establish an Office of Medicinal Cannabis to oversee the manufacturing, dispensing and clinical aspects of the framework.

      You can watch Doing It For Dan on*iView*or theAustralian Story website

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      We're getting dispensaries here for patients next year, so they can go in and buy their medicine.
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      Baking Nomad I found what you said

      Quote Originally Posted by Baking Nomad View Post

      We're getting dispensaries here for patients next year, so they can go in and buy their medicine.


      https://www.mpp.org/states/hawaii/



      Here it is:


      Medical marijuana dispensaries to open in Hawaii; session in recess until 2016

      Last update: October 13, 2015

      In 2000, Hawaii became the first state to legalize medical marijuana through the legislative process. The law permitted patients to grow their own plants but did not allow for dispensaries. On July 14, 2015, Gov. David Ige signed two important medical marijuana laws. HB 321 allows medical marijuana dispensaries to operate in Hawaii, and SB 1291 strengthens civil protections for patients.

      HB 321 initially allows eight dispensaries (three on Oahu, two each on Big Island and Maui, and one on Kauai) with two locations each. Starting in 2017, the state health department will be allowed to issue more licenses as needed. Each dispensary license will allow the license holder to have two cultivation sites with up to 3,000 plants, as well as the two dispensing locations that must be separate from the cultivation locations.

      SB 1291 strengthens existing civil protections for medical marijuana patients and adds new protections that prevent landlords, schools, and courts from discriminating against medical marijuana patients.

      Click here for a summary of this new legislation.

      Decriminalization and prohibition

      The Hawaii Legislature has before it*legislation that would replace criminal penalties for possession of marijuana with a civil violation*and proposals to end the Aloha State’s marijuana prohibition by taxing and regulating adult marijuana sales similarly to Colorado. Hawaii has a two-year session, so lawmakers can take up these issues when they reconvene in Honolulu in January 2016.

      A*QMark Research poll, commissioned by*the Drug*Policy Action Group and the American Civil*Liberties Union of Hawaii, found that 78% of Hawaii voters support a dispensary system for*medical marijuana, 69%*think*that*jail time for marijuana offenses is inappropriate, and an overwhelming 57%*favor legalizing marijuana for adults and regulating it like alcohol. This last number is 20% higher than the last poll conducted in 2005.

      In addition to polling, an economic analysis was commissioned from University of Hawaii economist David Nixon. Dr. Nixon estimates that Hawaii could redirect $9 million annually if it stopped arresting individuals for marijuana possession. Additionally, Hawaii could generate tax revenues of up to $11 million annually if the state legalized, regulated, and taxed the sale of marijuana to adults.

      Multiple bills have been filed that will end Hawaii’s marijuana prohibition this session, giving legislators the opportunity to take a fiscally sound approach to marijuana policy when they reconvene in 2016.

      Take action!


      Speak out:*Please*ask your legislators to support ending the costly and futile prohibition of marijuana.

      Contact us: If you are a law enforcement official, a clergy member, a member of the legal community, or if you were arrested for simple possession of marijuana, please email*[email protected]*to see how you can be of special help. Be sure to include your zip code so we can determine who your legislators are.

      Stay connected: To stay updated on the status of marijuana policy reform in Hawaii,*be sure to subscribe to MPP’s free legislative alert service.

      Here is the 30 minute program I watched yesterday at 8pm here in Adelaide. Just poke the picture at the top of the page to watch it. You can also open the entire transcript further down the page.



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      I prefer to listen to the scientific experts. They say that pot bong injections are wiping out civilization and melting Antarctica.



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      UM is this video from some satire show? It seems that a lot of americans engage in anti-intellectualism, but this is just ridiculous.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Kaitakaro View Post
      UM is this video from some satire show? It seems that a lot of americans engage in anti-intellectualism, but this is just ridiculous.
      It's satire. Reverse Legalization Now has a YouTube channel and a Facebook page. It's all comedy.

      What country do you live in?
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      Nice, i only watched 30sec of it until i decided that time is to precious. The problem is after 'Intelligent design' or this 'Creation vs Evolution' thing , its often hard to guess when something from the US is meant as satire or when they actually mean it.

      Not saying the education here where i live is better, here you are either an autodidact or you won't learn a thing.
      But the level of organisation anti-inellectual groups have in the US is kind of alarming.

      (also i never have been to the US and the only americans living in my hometown are mormon missionaries, so i don't claim to know much about your culture over there)

      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post

      What country do you live in?
      Somewhere across the Ocean.

      But to stay at least a bit on topic , the Netherlands have full legalization of cannabis, without any adverse effect.
      Not even a significant rise in consumption, per capita use is less than in france where it is illegal.

      Also this Cannabis as Gateway drug stuff is nonsene,
      the only reason it may act as a gateway drug is because it is illegal and so brings people into contact with the black market.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Kaitakaro View Post

      Also this Cannabis as Gateway drug stuff is nonsene,
      the only reason it may act as a gateway drug is because it is illegal and so brings people into contact with the black market.
      Ignoring your very valid point, even if the argument one makes about it being a gateway drug is based on its ability to impair judgment, it's entirely unfair to attribute gateway behavior specifically to marijuana. Alcohol, various other (legally consumed) pharmaceuticals, a lack of sleep, improper nutrition, various disorders, diseases, and syndromes should all equally qualify as causing "gateway" behavior. To call cannabis a gateway drug before alcohol (going to ignore the fact that alcohol is probably far worse than cannabis in this regard), before a lack of sleep, before a lack of mental health and an individuals current circumstances in life (which is arguably the best way of explaining drug-taking and drug-seeking behavior), before any of the other numerous ways impaired judgment occurs is either flat out dishonest, or highly misinformed.
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      I am very much for marijuana legalization. It is not illegal because of danger to society. It is illegal mainly because of its danger to the timber industry and other industries. The arguments for marijuana illegality are absolutely ridiculous.
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      Like i said i don't believe in this gateway drug thing either , drug abuse is primary an socio-psychological problem and than secondary turns into a medical issue.
      Also i didn't wanted to imply that cannabis has any important position concerning drug abuse. If you look at Drug harmfulness research , cannabis usually turns up at the low end of the scale for social or personal harmfulness.(far below alcohol or nicotine for example)
      And (like i thing you already implied), everywhere where the pharma industry has a strong lobby , it turns the health care system into one of the primary agents of drug abuse.
      (but thats of course not the topic here)
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      Quote Originally Posted by Kaitakaro View Post
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      Like i said i don't believe in this gateway drug thing either , drug abuse is primary an socio-psychological problem and than secondary turns into a medical issue.
      Also i didn't wanted to imply that cannabis has any important position concerning drug abuse. If you look at Drug harmfulness research , cannabis usually turns up at the low end of the scale for social or personal harmfulness.(far below alcohol or nicotine for example)
      And (like i thing you already implied), everywhere where the pharma industry has a strong lobby , it turns the health care system into one of the primary agents of drug abuse.
      (but thats of course not the topic here)
      Oh, I wasn't going on like that because anything you implied. I was just making an all-encompassing statement in support of what you said. Sorry, I should've mentioned that. In any case, for the last 5 years or so I've been for the decriminalization of drugs, and in the case of cannabis, legalization. This isn't thread about the war on drugs specifically though, so I'll leave all that for another time. I think it almost goes without saying these days any more that anyone with intelligence that isn't biased for personal reasons (like they know somebody that smokes way too much or a parent did drugs or something), for reasons of money, or political gain probably knows most of what we're talking about now. Not that it shouldn't be said, but it's hard for me to have the conversation anywhere anymore and not have it wind up being very repetitive agreeing, or endlessly disagreeing because someone isn't willing to look at the facts and see it in a truthful manner.
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      EbbTide, the formatting of your posts is infuriating.

      Yes, legalize marijuana. But chemically engineer it so it doesn't smell like shit. I hate the stench.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Descensus View Post
      But chemically engineer it so it doesn't smell like shit. I hate the stench.
      There's a strain that smells just like rootbeer. I don't know if it's altered in some way to make it smell like that, but I remember just leaving it out in my living room one day to use as an air-freshener.

      As for the signature smell of cannabis, I think people's reactions to it depend on the associations they've made with it. When I was young, it reminded me of french fries and oil so I reacted to it in the same way I would react to McDonalds. Nowadays, it just reminds me of summer because the smell is everywhere in my part of the city around that time of year.

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      Quote Originally Posted by GavinGill View Post
      There's a strain that smells just like rootbeer. I don't know if it's altered in some way to make it smell like that, but I remember just leaving it out in my living room one day to use as an air-freshener.

      As for the signature smell of cannabis, I think people's reactions to it depend on the associations they've made with it. When I was young, it reminded me of french fries and oil so I reacted to it in the same way I would react to McDonalds. Nowadays, it just reminds me of summer because the smell is everywhere in my part of the city around that time of year.
      I heard Canada is going to legalize weed soon.

      Do you know anything about this?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Kinky View Post
      I heard Canada is going to legalize weed soon.

      Do you know anything about this?
      The Liberal Party's open to it, but I doubt they'll prioritize it until the public pressures them to do so. The Liberals are a brokerage party so they typically make moves that will maximize their power-base. If it's advantageous for them to legalize, they'll do so. But if there isn't enough momentum behind that specific issue, they're likely to wait it out and move on to other things in the mean time.

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