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      Video proves Trump supporters are RACIST NAZIS

      These interviews of Trump supporters show just how racist, prejudiced, homophobic, and even anti-semitic Donald Trump supporters are.



      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViZtCfN3CGA
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      The interviewer is manipulating the answers. People will generally view the interviewer as an authority figure in whatever he or she is questioning. People are generally not comfortable conflicting with authority figures, so they'll likely agree with the interviewer no matter how warped the his or her views are.

      An interviewer can also easily get Americans to support North Koreas actions.


      People will even harm or potentially kill other people in order avoid conflicting with authority figures.


      So, the interviewer is seen as an authority figure and therefore has a lot of power to manipulate the answers.

      However these Trump supporters probably see Trump as an authority figure which is pretty scary.
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      The interviewer is asking mostly open-ended questions.. How do you feel about this, what do you think about that... They seem to be giving their honest opinions for the most part.

      Most of the responses are not able to be manipulated in the way you are claiming.

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      Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
      The interviewer is manipulating the answers. People will generally view the interviewer as an authority figure in whatever he or she is questioning. People are generally not comfortable conflicting with authority figures, so they'll likely agree with the interviewer no matter how warped the his or her views are.
      I'm not sure that explanation makes this video any more palatable, or less valid. It may indeed make it more disturbing, that, simply because some kid has a mic in their faces, people are willing to abandon their sensibilities by agreeing with arguably leading but certainly open and fairly obvious questioning than it would be if they were fundamentally bigoted.

      Worse than that video, I think, are the endless "man on the street" interviews being done by more established news sources (including Fox) that, time after time, without leading questions, show Trump and Cruz supporters to be incredibly uninformed at best, and racist or just plain hateful of everyone at worst.

      So sure, that video might be a complete con-job or even fabrication (which I personally hope it is) but watch the exit-poll interviews on any given Tuesday this election season, and you will see pretty much the same tone, if not the same words.

      Thankfully, though media amplification makes them seem like many more, Trump supporters amount to about one third of one third of the voting population, which is a small minority at best... as long as Trump mania doesn't continue to spread: I am still encountering some new friend or family member who (often apologetically) announces their support for the Carnival Barker in Chief.

      However these Trump supporters probably see Trump as an authority figure which is pretty scary.
      Scary, indeed.

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      It's not just about what the interviewer asks but how they ask it. The interviewer asks "Do you think the Holocaust really happened?" with a big cheery smile as if it obviously didn't, which makes the person being questioned also believe it didn't. He asks "How do you feel about Adolph Hitler?" as if he thinks a he's great guy, which makes the person being questioned feel the same. If he asked these same questions in a serious tone, he'd get different responses.

      The interviewer also lies by saying 99% of blacks will go to jail and homosexuality is a disease which the people being questioned believe because they want to agree with him.

      That's true that the questions about sexual consent and slavery are more open ended. I don't know what to think about that.
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      ^^ I don't know...if that interviewer asked me those questions, in the very same tone and context, I'd like to think that I would say what I believe (i.e., that the Holocaust did indeed happen, or perhaps correct his statistic about blacks & jail). Wouldn't you?

      That you are seduced by a man with a camera does not make it okay to say hateful or amazingly incorrect things back to him, even when you know that's what he wants. Our brains ought to be working, no matter how badly we want to be on TV... of course, these days I may be a real minority on that point.

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      I think I would also say what I believe in. But, it's easier for us lucid dreamers to tell when something is off. Most people aren't lucid dreamers.

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      Being that I filmed and produced the video, I can contest that the interviewees were not swayed by the interviewer's tone or facial expressions.

      The reveals:

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      ^^ So basically you were just decieving us. Nice.

      I for one am not a fan of being lied to, Vince; why did you present your OP as you did? As I said above, I did hope the video was a fake, but I had assumed you had found it, rather than made it yourself with the apparent intent to make fools of your fellow DV members... I' m not sure I see the humor or value in that.

      Couldn't you have made your point simply by starting a thread with an OP that asks if the interviews we see about Trump (or anyone) might be partisan creations rather than actual opinions? You still could have shown your video.
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      Yes, it was all a grand deception. I presented the video as real mainly for reaction purposes, that is, to achieve maximum effect, and to see true opinions of the video (especially whether it was real or not) without suggestions or hints that it may be false. I think going into watching the video with the idea that it may be fake right off the bat would change the experience of watching it- the absurdity of the interview responses probably makes the most impact (comedic or otherwise) when believed to be real. The outrageousness of the answers is where the humor lies, although it is probably the funniest to those who can tell that the responses were edited, as some of the answers would have surely been a bit disturbing or shocking had they been genuine.

      Of course, most of those who have watched and left feedback thus far could tell it was fake, and I honestly didn't really expect anyone to take it as real to begin with, aside from perhaps a small group of naive viewers who couldn't figure out the purpose of the heavy editing style and all the cuts throughout the video right between the questions and answers. But to most, this and the nearly unbelievable nature of the responses was evidence enough.

      The definition of "making a fool of someone" is making them look foolish or ridiculous in some way, especially by embarrassing them. This is quite different from "fooling someone," which is to deceive or trick. Call this a social experiment if you will. If you're personally offended, you may be looking into it a bit too far. I assure you, there was no malevolent intention.
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      ^^ A lie is a lie, Vince, no matter how clever its construction, or how you mght dress it up afterwords.

      This sort of makes me wonder, reluctantly, where else on these forums you've made things up, just to get a reaction. I never thought that about you before; to date I'd considered you a genuinely honest contributor.

      I will take a moment from now on to assume that your other posts might be "social experiments" as well, rather than the honest presentations to be taken at face value that we all generally would like to see (regardless of how naive we might be). It's a shame to do so, but if being disingenuous is okay for you, I have to build that into the process.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      ^^ A lie is a lie, Vince, no matter how clever its construction, or how you mght dress it up afterwords.
      From my last post:
      Yes, it was all a grand deception.
      Not sure why you're restating what I've already admitted.

      I'm not dressing anything up. I explained everything exactly as it went down. I only elaborated in response to your questions.

      This sort of makes me wonder, reluctantly, where else on these forums you've made things up, just to get a reaction. I never thought that about you before; to date I'd considered you a genuinely honest contributor.

      I will take a moment from now on to assume that your other posts might be "social experiments" as well, rather than the honest presentations to be taken at face value that we all generally would like to see (regardless of how naive we might be). It's a shame to do so, but if being disingenuous is okay for you, I have to build that into the process.
      Keep in mind that the reveal was an inevitable part of this thread.

      Whether you take me seriously from now on is not very relevant in my life. If you can't distinguish when something is a joke, and if you insist on taking and making things overly serious, then perhaps it would indeed be best for you to keep your guard up.

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      ^^ Given that you apparantly cannot understand what I've said, or what you've done, and that this is your thread, I'll leave you to it... maybe someone else will be impressed by your joke ... or was it a social experiment? ... no wait, it was a grand desception; that's the ticket!

      I don't know, and I've ceased caring. The subject you raised, initially, was a very serious one, but your need to sacrifice all credibility to impress us (or condescend to our apparant naivete) pretty much nixed the conversation... no sense pushing it.

      I sometimes don't know why I bother; this time I wish I hadn't.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      ^^ Given that you apparantly cannot understand what I've said, or what you've done, and that this is your thread, I'll leave you to it... maybe someone else will be impressed by your joke ... or was it a social experiment? ... no wait, it was a grand desception; that's the ticket!

      I don't know, and I've ceased caring. The subject you raised, initially, was a very serious one, but your need to sacrifice all credibility to impress us (or condescend to our apparant naivete) pretty much nixed the conversation... no sense pushing it.

      I sometimes don't know why I bother; this time I wish I hadn't.

      I really don't think these types of things should be joked about. It's pointess posting something that's fake, where is the interest in that? Why would you try and deceive us like that?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      ^^ Given that you apparantly cannot understand what I've said, or what you've done, and that this is your thread, I'll leave you to it... maybe someone else will be impressed by your joke ... or was it a social experiment? ... no wait, it was a grand desception; that's the ticket!

      I don't know, and I've ceased caring. The subject you raised, initially, was a very serious one, but your need to sacrifice all credibility to impress us (or condescend to our apparant naivete) pretty much nixed the conversation... no sense pushing it.

      I sometimes don't know why I bother; this time I wish I hadn't.

      I understand quite well.

      It was a three-in-one package- a joke, social experiment, and a grand deception all in one!

      Seems silly to care so much about my alleged sacrificing of my own credibility, or to assume that my goal was to impress you, and it's actually quite a stretch to say that this thread brings suspicion to my other posts here. If I really wanted to deceive you, we wouldn't be having this conversation. You'd still be wondering if the video was real and why I posted it to begin with. You didn't catch me in a lie. I posted something and then revealed it as a hoax. There is quite a difference there. Do you discredit magicians when they say their magic is real and then later go on reveal the trick behind it all? Or can you see that it's all in fun? Lighten up and have a little fun, will ya?
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      ^^ Sigh.

      No, I have a feeling that you do not understand quite well... and there is nothing I can do about it, so I give up with this post.

      Speaking of lightening up: I do find it amusing when someone does something rude or insulting, and then tells those he insulted to lighten up.

      Had you started this thread with something like, "Hey, look at this example of how the media can easily mislead people," then your magician analogy would be valid; but otherwise it has nothing to do with your "Grand deception." I for one do not accept a magician's tricks to be real magic, nor do I assume he is presenting that "magic" in good faith.

      I also do not find it much of a stretch to question your other posts here, and no, I don't care at all about it -- why does simply pointing something out always imply that I must care deeply about it? I will have forgotten all about this thread just a few seconds after I hit that "unsubscribe" button, and all that will linger beyond that is a small wave of annoyance for allowing myself to get drawn into yet another ultimately useless ED thread.

      This could have been an interesting thread about a very serious subject, Vince, and you instead have revealed it to be a joke had at the expense of your fellow members. And the real shame is that you have no idea you've done anything wrong.

      You know what? Never mind... I've wasted way too much time. Feel free to have my posts deleted so maybe you can get back on subject and trick some more members with your clever prank video.
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      Lack of agreement does not necessitate lack of understanding. You obviously don't agree with my sense of humor, and I don't agree with your overly-serious approaching to, well, probably everything, based on what I've seen on this forum.

      A magician performs illusions, in hopes that they appear real, for the entertainment and reaction of the audience. In the same way, I've shared this video, an illusion, for essentially the same purpose.

      Where you're especially wrong is that this thread is somehow hurting people on this forum. The joke is not at the expense of anyone here. If you believed the video was real, then hopefully you've learned a lesson in discernment. If you're mad that I fibbed in my first post to help create the illusion I was going for before the reveal, then perhaps the phrase "get a life" could be applied. There are far more important things to worry about than someone having fun with a video.
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      Absolutely amazing.
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      Perhaps it's just because the jig is already up, but I am not quite as offended by being lied to about the video. I definitely see why people are, and you should have expected the reaction you got, Vince, but as far as the actual thread goes... even if this were the truth, why would I especially care, or believe that the people asked make up a significant demographic of Trump supporters? The title in itself was brash and all encompassing enough for me to know that the opinions I am about to read are blown out of proportion in some way, sensationalist, or what have you. But, I've seen something similar come up on the news, where somebody said that KKK members were supporting Trump and then there was an awkward moment of silence because he used it like it was a point about something, and he expected the people on the show to react just because he said the KKK supports Trump. Throwing that fact around like some kind of buzzword trump card (pardon the pun) and expecting it to work means you legitimately think the people around you are stupid. Some people are though, and saying that a person that belongs to a certain group held in bad opinion supports someone else is enough to mean that the person they support is also bad--but I don't really need to point out how stupid that is.

      Don't get me wrong either. I don't support Trump, but it irks me when people come out with sensationalist stuff like this. On a side note, when you deceive somebody and they react poorly to it, it's best not to dig yourself a deeper grave. It really isn't that hard to apologize. I don't really care that you did it, but obviously other people do... your lack of remorse and even more the defense of your actions is probably the most telling about this issue and what is most upsetting to people.
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      Quote Originally Posted by snoop View Post
      Perhaps it's just because the jig is already up, but I am not quite as offended by being lied to about the video. I definitely see why people are, and you should have expected the reaction you got, Vince
      Why would anyone be offended? Someone presented a hoax video and soon after revealed that it was just a joke. For the life of me, I couldn't imagine why any down-to-earth, balanced and content individual would get upset by something so harmless and silly.

      believe that the people asked make up a significant demographic of Trump supporters?
      There's no reason at all to assume that any of the people interviewed are Trump supporters, aside from the misleading title. His name wasn't mentioned once in the video.


      On a side note, when you deceive somebody and they react poorly to it, it's best not to dig yourself a deeper grave. It really isn't that hard to apologize. I don't really care that you did it, but obviously other people do... your lack of remorse and even more the defense of your actions is probably the most telling about this issue and what is most upsetting to people.
      No graves were dug nor lain in. I don't owe anyone an apology, as no one here was harmed. Taking offense to such a thing is merely an indication that one is not emotionally/mentally balanced. I have no special agreements or bonds with anyone, no pacts that forbid me from having some harmless fun now and then. There is no malevolence here and no need for remorse, as my intentions were innocent.

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      lol @this thread.
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      Why would anyone be offended?
      I'm offended, why would you go and waste your time to make a silly video, you even said it was silly yourself in the previous post to snoop. I'm offended at this point, wouldn't It be different though if you was black, a slave, a jew, or homosexual?
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      Quote Originally Posted by VinceField View Post
      For the life of me, I couldn't imagine why any down-to-earth, balanced and content individual would get upset by something so harmless and silly.
      I'm not offended, but these down-to-earth, balanced and content individuals perceive the world in different ways. So, what we perceive as harmless, others might perceive as offensive. There's little, if anything, you can do about how others perceive the world, but what you can control is whether you apologize to those offended, just a simple, "Sorry everybody, I didn't mean any offence," in an attempt to make amends to harm you didn't intend. Otherwise, it's more like a hit-and-run than a normal accident.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
      I'm not offended, but these down-to-earth, balanced and content individuals perceive the world in different ways. So, what we perceive as harmless, others might perceive as offensive. There's little, if anything, you can do about how others perceive the world, but what you can control is whether you apologize to those offended, just a simple, "Sorry everybody, I didn't mean any offence," in an attempt to make amends to harm you didn't intend. Otherwise, it's more like a hit-and-run than a normal accident.
      Haha a hit and run, huh?

      I did not mean to hurt feelings, but words can be cheap, and an insincere apology is next to meaningless. If someone can provide a logical explanation for offense taken from the video or this thread, perhaps it will change my perspective.
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      Quote Originally Posted by dolphin View Post
      I'm not offended, but these down-to-earth, balanced and content individuals perceive the world in different ways. So, what we perceive as harmless, others might perceive as offensive. There's little, if anything, you can do about how others perceive the world, but what you can control is whether you apologize to those offended, just a simple, "Sorry everybody, I didn't mean any offence," in an attempt to make amends to harm you didn't intend. Otherwise, it's more like a hit-and-run than a normal accident.
      I really shouldn't get involved, I'm just procrastinating.

      I don't think VinceField needs to apologize to anyone. Like you said, people think differently. VinceField thinks what he did was correct and civilized. Others felt offended or that they could not trust him as much anymore. That's all fine and they can all express those feelings. But VinceField did not directly harm anyone so there is no need for apology. If he apologized for their reaction despite thinking that what he did was harmless, it would actually be condescending; Apologizing to people you perceive as overacting just to act as the bigger person seems patronizing in my opinion, especially between adults. I think everyone expressed their feelings and no one owes anything to anyone in this situation. All VinceField needs to do is accept the consequence that his actions will lead people to view him differently, based on his actions and their opinion of it. He might have gained the respect of some and lost that of others but that is a risk we must take everyday.
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