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      Falls - Cautiously - Without and Within - The "Oh My God" Particle - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi9ys2j1ncg&t=2418s [Asking a Theoretical Physicist About the Physics of Consciousness | Roger Penrose & Jordan Peterson] - Dive deep - The Banner of Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.] - Emotion - Altruistic Behaviour - Trust The Process - "...GOD may be watching, and curious besides...best look like I am worthy of being tuned into..."

      AP= Annoy https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83062#p1083062 [Re: Who would the antichrist fool?] [Annoy [Re: Who would the antichrist fool?] [= 415]]

      [415]

      [Annoy [Re: Who would the antichrist fool?]
      What Are Your Thoughts On The Subject?
      July Nineteen Fifty Two Washington DC
      Love & Respect Musing On The Mother Act III]

      RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

      07:28 [One's Thoughts I Will]

      GM: Lyricus designs, transposes, and installs galactic Tributary Zones to a planetary system
      "Fitting In
      Creative Conscious Intelligence"

      William: Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence = 424
      Unite humanity with a living new language. = 424

      GM: "Tied To The Moon
      Mindfulness"

      William: Tied To The Moon Mindfulness = 299
      Twenty Seven Kilometers = 299
      Related phrases to The Subject = 299

      GM: Nag Hammadi [a collection of early Christian and Gnostic texts discovered near the Upper Egyptian town of Nag Hammadi in 1945]
      "Arms Crossed
      The Solar System"

      William: Arms Crossed The Solar System = 333
      [=333]
      Intelligently. Mindfully. Shaped.
      Transferring your awareness
      The Devil - as usual - is in the details...
      The Mind is a planetary phenomenon
      The Mind is The Invisible Garage Dragon
      May all your madventures be fun.
      Like Unto Ghidrah - many heads one beast
      A grateful heart Open your chakras

      GM: Elude
      "Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment."
      “No sailor controls the sea.”
      Tabula Rasa

      William: Elude Tabula Rasa = 143
      [143]
      World Wide Web
      The God of the Bible
      Mothers Milk
      The Purpose
      Consider This
      The Path of Faith
      Awake and Waiting
      Panpsychism
      That'll Be The Day
      Homeostasis
      A safe pair of hands
      Summerlander
      Contentment
      Precognitive
      Self-mastery
      A Grateful Heart
      Peaceful Messiah
      Quantum Field

      GM: Sleep
      Self Awareness
      Children
      Bullies
      Your Dream – Alien faces projected in the sky
      Prison Planet
      Shrug
      Unnecessary Tangent
      Mission
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2utCTvqlVI

      William: From the link;
      'Joe Rogan | The Crystal Skulls and Alien Abductions w/Dan Aykroyd'
      GM: Imaginative Realities
      Balance
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...79343#p1079343

      William: From the link;
      Transponder: Also there is this; aside Moral instructions in the Bible, suppose it was God imprinting the innate morals in our minds ("On our hearts" as Paul has it) as with a lot of this basic stuff ascribed to a Cosmic Mind, which god are we talking about? Christians so often seem to think that there is only ever one possible god and religion to credit for this stuff.

      William: This process can be explain sufficiently in that Christianity is a culture and all culture tends toward tweaking the storyline to obtain a favorable image of said culture.
      This is along the lines of how [in political terms] the victorious culture indulging in warfare will write the history to make themselves look shiny and the defeated culture to look inferior, in comparison.

      Psychologically, it is a common enough human trick, regardless of whether the culture is based in theism or non-theism. Arguably dishonest and ultimately futile against the truth of objective reality as experienced subjectively.

      "Some days there won't be a song in your heart. Sing anyways."
      GM: The Word and List Strings
      Learn How to
      The Respect You Give
      "When our progressive movements are strong, they lead toward an exciting, irresistible vision for the future where all of us thrive"
      Reach
      "It is not a thing to judge, but a thing to accept without judgement"
      Red Pill
      James Webb Space Telescope
      "Insidious
      Clumsy"

      William: Insidious Clumsy = 212
      [212]
      Encouraging Indication
      The Science of the Soul
      Universal Objective
      The Confusion of War
      GOD is not an elitist.
      Less dense than water
      The deserved second place
      Unclog your chakras
      A mixture of awe and dread
      That ship is sinking
      The Inception Point

      GM: Message Generator System of Random Selection of Word-Strings
      Mind To Mind https://debatingchristianity.com/for...o%20Mind.,-Top

      William: From the link;
      Bust Nak: How exactly does a bunch of sentences having matching numbers associated with them evidence of true randomness not existing?

      William: Because I created a topic for the purpose of providing the evidence and discussing the conclusions which could be drawn, I have answered your questions there.

      Re: Generating Messages and the number values of word-strings.
      GM: How to Bruise a Ghost
      [Although there are opposite sides to spectra, all elements combined form a whole]
      Plan
      A Sturdy Place
      Within that which is unseen...

      William: How to Bruise a Ghost Plan A Sturdy Place Within that which is unseen... = 702
      seven zero two = 187
      [187]
      What Is The Point?
      Heroes and Villains
      Break the glass ceiling
      All is as is should be
      A fish out of water
      The Divine Darkness
      Coming From QueenBee
      The science of can and can't
      Like playing Rush
      Seven Zero Two

      How to Bruise a Ghost Plan = 268
      [268]
      Dimensional Crossovers
      Until "Christ Returns"
      The sculptor in the sky
      Algorithms are not perfect
      What is the Point? Sadness.

      A Sturdy Place Within that which is unseen = 434

      [434 ]
      Communication with the Deeper Levels of Self
      We humans really made our beds with this one
      God/Source/Home Why is this a Requirement?

      GM: Keep an Eye On
      Present over perfect
      Before The Beginning
      Awaken


      08:12 [= 205 ] [We oppose deception
      Unconditional Love
      The Same Information
      Afraid of The Unknown
      The objective standard
      All fingers and thumbs
      Welcome all experience
      YHVH in particular
      The Last Question]

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      Inside the workings of intelligence
      Superposition and entanglement

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      Yes, I Hear You - Golden nugget of truth - The Divine Darkness - For The Purpose Of... - Shine Your Light - Precise definitions of strategies - ...and the way forward, eyes wide open - Lucifer - Those internal things which make one shine - The belief in a mindless Planet/Universe creates the hard problem of consciousness by refusing to deal with said problem using the mind as the very instrument in order to do so. - Integrate

      AP= https://debatingchristianity.com/for...77938#p1077938 [Re: The Three Biblical Interpretations About Afterlife] - Exactly

      [The Three Biblical Interpretations About Afterlife - Exactly = 573]

      [573]
      [Reality is adapted through the individual adjusting to it.
      “Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.”]

      RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

      04:39 [= 222 ] [Snap Out Of It Already!
      The House of Culture
      The Mother and The Father
      Start where you are
      The Enigma Code Chamber Of Self]

      GM: Cycles
      The Christchurch EQ
      Any Other Way How shallow is the reach of YHWH
      Invite The Bee To Land
      Victim/Vampire Energy Exchange
      Walk The Talk In Love
      Marriage
      Deranged
      The Ancient Grey Entity
      Insanity
      We Could
      Sanctified love’s joyful lust with ever movement Every thrust and every loss of sexual tension
      Humble Dreamer
      Hearing External Voices In Your Head
      “If you're looking for something more in life, you're likely to find it in something less.”
      Anyhoo
      Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baN48zhFGzY

      William: From the link;
      WINGMAKERS JAMES INTERVIEW 2013
      Aug 26, 2015 His first published creation was WingMakers.com, which established James as a multidimensional storyteller who is focused on sharing deep, original perspectives to the conversations of spirituality, cosmology, extraterrestrial life, myth and the importance of the heart in one's personal mission.
      Random time-place select: 23:52 ["Spiritual Activism"]
      GM:The future is not crystal clear - we choose the future now and here
      "You can teach me when I’m Needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding Touch me where I need it most - you are the Ghost - in the Machine"
      "Exact Science
      In The Light Of The Truth"

      William: Exact Science In The Light Of The Truth = 364
      The debate between theists and atheists = 364
      ...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...= 364

      GM: The deranged can come about...become arranged.
      Conception
      Read/Book/Story
      Gateway
      "Good on you mate
      Learn Well"

      William: Good on you mate Learn Well = 272
      [272]
      The dawning of The Universe
      It is neither good nor evil
      A time prior to human beings

      GM: Mathematical Problems
      Spiritual Connection
      A Black Hole
      [Either Authored or Orphaned]
      Hide This
      All Because I Had To Ask
      "Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment."
      "Narrow
      Closed Loop Production"

      William: Narrow Closed Loop Production = 340
      As to call light the soul shall sing = 340
      To Comprehend Correctly Mind Games = 340

      GM: A dish fit for the gods
      [Incantation
      Anti Christ
      Like stubbing ones minimus]
      "Honest attempts at scrubbing up
      Interesting
      Sovereignty
      In an environment which is able to perceive this."

      William: Honest attempts at scrubbing up Interesting Sovereignty In an environment which is able to perceive this = 1107
      one one zero seven = 197
      Selfless attitude
      Your Thoughts
      Roller Coaster Ride
      Breathe In Breathe Out
      The sound of a Ghost
      Genetic information
      That is the truth.
      Don't forget The Mind

      GM: Intention
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87235#p1087235
      Steady as She goes...
      Read On

      William: Indeed - there is follow-through from that link - post #69...

      GM: It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84254#p1084254 [throwing pooh/calling "woo"]
      What is 'The Soul' and is it Immortal
      Teachings
      Voice/Message/Communication
      The Serpent
      Joining
      Is there any such thing as 'Objective Morality'
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...75267#p1075267

      William: From the link;
      William: I would rather be a robot with a mind of its own, and deal with the fact of being on this planet forever as an opportunity to lay aside that which is unnecessary and perhaps even use these humans who still cling to the old good, to my advantage by having them live the way they believe is good while they enjoy the paradise I built for them while they slept.
      GM: Z2+C [Mandelbrot set - Wikipedia]
      "There is nothing fundamentally evil or good about struggle, or the design of the experiential reality which implements struggle.
      Although there are opposite sides to spectra, all elements combined form a whole"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81283#p1081283

      William: Some folk are scant with their explanations re their beliefs - not wanting to be pinned down on anything specific...

      GM: Hoo haha the laughing owl
      The places that scare you
      Archangel Metatron
      Visions
      The Cave of Origins
      Behind The Veil

      William: Yes - the fear of moving through places which one is unfamiliar with...yet that is exactly the predicament this universe offers us...and aspects of it become familiar to the point where we are satisfied with belief and see no reason as to why we should question said belief...

      05:01 [Attention to Detail]

      06:13 [The Way of the Shaman]

      William: I think that the idea of the cave has to do with an internal mapping re our Subconscious Archetypes and "dealing with the demons" and how it is likely bests to do so now, while the opportunity presents itself to do so - rather than having to face these things in the next phase...understanding the Self in full capacity - shining a light into the dark corners of ones psyche and dealing with that which we inherit from ancestral regions...Jesus did this [as the story tells] when he weakened his body and walked the path of the Sharman to face his demon...

      GM: Chakra
      Equity
      Feature
      I AM WE ARE
      Anthropos Quaternio [is a combining form used like a prefix meaning “human.” It is often used in scientific and other technical terms, including in the social sciences. Anthropo- comes from the Greek ánthrōpos, meaning “human being” or “man.”
      Quaternio A group or set of four people or things.]
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87668#p1087668

      William: From the link;
      Theophile: Very similar logics at play for sure. But I daresay this version sounds much colder than the biblical narrative, with terms like 'Nature' (versus an interpersonal God), 'survival' (versus a vision of the heavens and the earth flourishing with life), and 'programming' (versus free and responsible human beings). I suppose I like a story that gives more of the warm and fuzzies

      William: Yes. This is an off-shoot of the experience of Hugs [specifically a Mothers] and it would be incorrect to abandon that warm fuzzy as some kind of unnecessary attempt to superimpose something false upon something real.

      While I may not wonder re the idea that we exist within a creation, I do - naturally enough - have to wonder at the state of the mind which thought up this monstrosity;



      The image typifies the Planet Earth experience in general...the hidden Gems are coming through the Human experience of it, which isn't so much a monster as it is a lost soul in need of a Mothers Hug.

      Hence the projection out onto the Reality being Experienced.

      Theophile: Your last point is an interesting one though on the acceptability of death because death is not the end. It's an argument I've wanted to deploy myself at times, since death and destruction takes on a whole new meaning once you believe in life and the resurrection. It changes the calculus entirely, even though it may be hard to swallow, or even more difficult to do. But it gives more reason to why Abraham would sacrifice Isaac for instance (or why God would ask for it). Or why Jesus would walk the cross.

      What are such things when we have faith and hope in life?

      William: Yes that is the dressing of mythology over the reality being experienced.

      It takes shape through many guises which can - with a passing glance - appear to be different, but closer inspection reveals there is no difference at all.

      I went to a funeral yesterday in support of my wife at the loss of Her Mother.

      There was no warm fuzzy in viewing the suffering demise of The Mother, nor Her cadaver - which lay cold and waxen but those too are outward appearances to which we have no direct way of knowing what She was going through consciously...once She slipped into the realm of unconsciousness...

      The Funeral Service was performed at a Roman Catholic Basilica, so I could see first hand the surrounds of imagery meant to entice the warm fuzzies and give everyone a sense of ... being embraced ... by something large and loving...

      While we who walk through life hereabouts all head towards our experience of bodily deaths, we are best not to run away from it screaming...might as well use our time here to prepare for that inevitable.

      Christ IS the hope that death is not the end of conscious experience...and that said continued experience is a happier one than the previous monstrosity.

      So we diligently pick the fruit we enjoy the most, which sorts folk into various categories in preparation for the inevitable...and the living support the living in their understanding that life might be all that there ever can be and is.

      I myself prefer the thrill of seeing Mother Earth as She truly is - some demonic-like entity who has been manifesting Her particular projections out into that which She is awakening to - slowly and surely... and in the process, I hope to witness therein a transformation of a demon-like entity into a god-like entity...and be a part of that rather than dressing it up n too much fluff that I distort things far too impractically.
      GM: The Fog Is Lifting
      Open your chakras
      Researching


      06:26 [ Soul Group Energies
      Trust the process
      Attitude of gratitude
      The Father - in The Mother.
      Deliberate and important]

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      Question: If the universe had been fine tuned just to enable us to exist, then what evidence for that could we expect to see? How would observations differ from what we actually do observe?

      An Answer: The same as if it were fine tuned for sponges. The point is, there is no need to suppose a guiding, designing force. There is no need to suppose a 'god.' There is nothing to compel the conclusion it was designed by unicorns or anything else. It is a complete non issue invented by apologists out of nothing, just to fit the desire in a debate to claim 'god did it.' There is no need for the absurdly anthropocentric argument that it was all done for us. We are as important to the universe as bacteria and quarks. In other words not important at all. It is absurd to even ask the question. The universe just is and we are part of it, just like kittens, black mambas, SARS viruses and black holes.
      We may not like where honesty, the search for truth, and Occam's Razor takes us, but there is no purpose to the universe or us, except what we wish to make for ourselves. {SOURCE}


      070822
      The information content of nature

      SCLx16 + select last LE per shuffle
      Failure - Spiritual bypassing - Epoch - Inappropriate Costume - Ever-changing - "Life is scary then you die of it"... is that really living? - The Spirit of The Planet - Rarified - Arms Crossed The Solar System - Spiritual practice - Asking Politely - From the link - The Digital Angel - "Eventually one can cease doing the tests and accept the results." - Plus - Group Hallucination

      William: This say's to me "When involved in the specific OOBE of the physical universe, calm down, accept the ride is safe and sure and remain respectfully brave in the face of it. The Earth Entity Consciousness has been doing this for Epochs...She is well equipped to keep one safe and sure.

      AP= Be-Live Examine
      [Be-Live Examine = 126]

      [126]
      [Interactive
      The Body of God
      Returning
      Completely
      Desperation
      All That We Are.
      Not Wrong
      Reflections
      Shift Focus
      Important
      Mother of God
      Rotundum
      Truthful
      Lock the door
      Numinous [having a strong religious or spiritual quality; indicating or suggesting the presence of a divinity.]
      Learn By Doing
      Be-Live Examine]

      RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

      07:32 [Central Intelligence Agency]

      William: This not only applies to the C.I.A. in the real-world - which I was just thinking about as in "If the CIA are not constantly monitoring my computer, they are missing out on some major information"...but also the that "inner empire" of the human psyche ... the overlord of the underworld re the realm of the individual human subconscious ... connect with that central intelligence agency and learn a thing or two...
      [07:45] [You are the universe]

      [07:54] [How stories are created...]

      GM: Belief Helps Cause Separation
      "Is it possible that the infinitesimal super hot object preceding the Big Bang, didn't in fact contain the vastness of the matter within our universe but rather, was the event in which the energy from the blast resulted in the formation of Galaxies and everything else which we call "The Universe" from the field of inert material which already existed as 'space'? Matter + Energy + Space = Time."
      "True happiness
      Awake
      Be here now"

      William: True happiness Awake Be here now = 307
      [307]
      The vessel of argument sinks
      Over days of forgotten tales
      Into a time that we've all seen on
      Simulated for the purpose of?
      Within ones grasp of influence
      True happiness Awake Be here now


      GM: Against the grain
      Beaming Out Beaming In

      William: Against the grain Beaming Out Beaming In = 334
      [334]
      You Know or You Don't know
      The Smallest Spark can start a fire
      I can't imagine it in my head visually
      Couldn’t we do something about it...

      GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ekH2gnqPY8

      William: From the link [random time 41:25]
      A Shocking Truth For Humanity - Forbidden History | Paul Wallis & Matt LaCroix
      [560,233 views Premiered Apr 21, 2022 ]
      There is an ancient story.. one that exists far beyond what we are told. A re-occurring theme in many ancient cultures and narratives all over the world. If this is indeed true, what does it mean for humanity?
      GM: "Positive self-talk
      Joy
      Left -brain Right brain Whole brain"

      William: Positive self-talk Joy Left -brain Right brain Whole brain = 551
      Well even the most ugly of us have a Father. [in house joke] = 551

      GM: Nihilism
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...930074#p930074

      William:
      In that, such come to the realization that what Jesus was talking about requires human beings themselves build the 'kingdom of GOD' over the face of the Earth and live as citizens of that system of parity.

      I am myself unconvinced that promises attributed to Jesus coming back to do the job for 'the worthy' are genuine anyway. I can see how the doctrine is attractive, but wonder why Jesus would bother doing something FOR us which we are more than capable of building for ourselves, if we wanted it...and in that, stopped letting the 'man' pull the wool over our sheepish eyes by forsaking those systems for a better system.
      GM: Please place this on your ComList
      "Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence
      Presumed outcome"

      William: Done. Also;
      Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence Presumed outcome = 789
      *Why it is wrong is that it does not serve reality to see it as disorderly = 789
      {*That was not on my ComList so added it, too.}

      GM: Secret Organizations
      A lot of weird things have been happening...
      The conversation is very informative.

      William: re the C.I.A... yep...

      GM: Intrinsic motivation
      When The Opportunity Presents Itself To Do So...
      "Well even the most ugly of us have a Father. [in house joke]"

      William: Ah...yes...just what was at the heart of my inner empire at the moment the visitation occurred and its still-felt consequence all these decades after.
      In some way, the comment that came out of my mouth was a brazen attempt at being brave by inserting a sense of humor into the mix...when all else fails..."laugh", even if a tad nervously...

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83142#p1083142
      Counterfactual
      Who Am I
      Barbarous
      Ideomotor Effect and the Subconscious. - International Skeptics Forum

      William: From the link;
      William: "Observing people I see the Mind of the Cosmos struggling to be heard above the fray...it appears to want to be heard through that Human medium, but that medium resists hearing, except what it wants to hear for its own individual agenda, rather than recognizing the overall."
      GM: "We Can Do Magic!
      What is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness"

      William: We Can Do Magic! What is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness = 702
      Seven Zero Two = 187
      [187]
      Crop formations
      Under question
      In William’s Room
      Whatever you do
      Through Others
      The Wider Reality
      Aye...A name I call myself.
      Synchronicity
      Went To The Devil
      Mirror-Mirror
      In Out and All About


      GM: Atheist mischief making;
      "The Alien Disc crop circle
      Supernatural"

      William: "The Alien Disc crop circle Supernatural" = 377
      [377]
      Preparation is willingness to change
      Something does not come from nothing.
      The more the merrier - as the saying goes.
      Ours the story shall we carry on


      GM: I Know William
      The Body of God
      Put That Fire Out...
      ...Of this Message Generating Process.
      Induce
      Research into the Phenomenology of the Self

      William: Of this Message Generating Process. Induce Research into the Phenomenology of the Self = 825
      Eight Two Five =149
      [149]
      The meaning of life
      Water the garden
      Milky Mother
      Sophistry
      Querulous
      Idiosyncratic
      A temporary façade
      Act the giddy goat
      Illumination
      Self-Reflection
      Labyrinthus
      Known/Revealed
      Bond Wild freedom
      That reminds me

      GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwc_EGDdWgo

      William: From the link;
      If Christianity isn’t true, why is it the LARGEST religion?
      49,165 views Apr 28, 2018

      HOW DID CHRISTIANITY grow to become the LARGEST religion? by Rabbi Michael Skobac, Education Director for Jews for Judaism.

      JEWS FOR JUDAISM is an international organization dedicated to countering the multi-million dollar efforts of Christian missionary groups that target Jews, the impact of cults and eastern religions, and the growing rate of intermarriage that is devastating the Jewish community. JEWS FOR JUDAISM achieves its goal through FREE educational programs, materials and counseling services that connect Jewish people to the spiritual depth, beauty and wisdom of Judaism and keeps Jews Jewish.
      GM: Equity
      People Don't Like To Be Judged
      Now isn't the time for tears
      Grounding
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81375#p1081375

      William: From the link;
      Very well.
      (I see a message forming)

      Betterment...
      Lost beings...
      Surrender...
      Unnatural...
      Look inward...
      Naked truth...
      Inner Critic...
      Epitomized...
      Very well...
      GM: "Superposition
      Being aware of Human Control Dramas"

      William: Superposition - Being aware of Human Control Dramas = 512
      Five One Two = 134
      [134]
      The human brain
      The game of Chess
      The tree of life
      Information
      Arms crossed
      Breakthrough
      Incorporate
      The Digital Angel
      Insignificant
      Encounters
      To Accomplish
      Do a Word Search
      One Nine Two
      Homo Sapiens
      The middle-class
      Unprecedented
      Real is better
      Pollution
      The Ghost Agenda
      Five One Two

      GM: A Pinch of Salt
      "Longing
      Trust
      Persevere
      Living in alignment"
      William: Longing Trust Persevere Living in alignment = 480
      The relationship between energy and information = 480

      GM: Everything is The Expression Of The Creator
      The Freedom Of Friendship
      We know not what we are because what we think we are gets in the way of it all
      Stuff Happens
      What The Gods See
      Rainstorm
      The Sun
      The Alphabet
      https://wizardforums.com/threads/wil...647/post-14193
      Productive
      This
      Besides
      Where are we getting our news from?
      Now We Are Getting Somewhere
      They is what they is.
      It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something existed
      Courageous
      The Vast UICDevice
      Finishing What Was Started
      Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal
      Transform
      Fire
      We're two opinions deep before we can even analyze the moral question.
      Try Gateway
      The picture unfolds like silk in a loom Silhouetted by Diane are the witch and the broom If she is the bride - who is the groom?
      IQ
      Burgeoning
      Seductive
      What we call the experience of reality
      Shamanic
      Failure Wish
      Big Gaps In Logic
      Unknown/Hidden/Occult
      Blunt the edge off that particular blade...
      The relationship between sound and formation re The Universe's existence.

      Incantation
      Spacetime is doomed
      Sea
      Unite humanity with a living new language
      Transition
      Living our forefather's conflict
      GOD is not an elitist.
      Virtues
      Vehicle
      Extreme
      Higher Self Dream Guide
      Love Heart
      Raise your frequency
      Bandages of The Beast
      A knight in shining armour Manipulation
      Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.
      Metamorphosis
      The practice of vipassana
      The Squeeze
      Cease to exist
      Final Destination
      Science Projects
      The Screen
      Most folk need moderating.
      The journey is fun and maybe that is the point.
      08:47 [Secret Organizations]

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      Continued...
      11:07 [Genetic information]

      GM: "Everything is The Expression Of The Creator
      The Freedom Of Friendship"

      William: Everything is The Expression Of The Creator [The Freedom Of Friendship] = 700
      Consciousness itself is fundamental to all our virtual realities = 700

      GM:We know not what we are because what we think we are gets in the way of it all
      Stuff Happens
      What The Gods See
      Rainstorm
      The Sun
      The Alphabet
      https://wizardforums.com/threads/willia ... post-14193

      William: From the link;
      8Lou1: Yesterday i had a sort of bubble in my head, at least thats how it felt. Then a voice asked are you conscious, i said yes. Then the voice said then that bubble is consciousness.
      GM:"Productive
      This
      Besides
      Where are we getting our news from?"

      William:Productive This Besides Where are we getting our news from? = 612
      Six One Two = 144
      [144]
      Textnum code
      Inspiration
      Real friendship
      Rationality
      Strange Desire
      Expression
      Astral Pulse
      Serendipity
      Ten Insights
      Look Closely
      Tremulous [shaking or quivering slightly. timid; nervous.]
      Synesthesia [the production of a sense impression relating to one sense or part of the body by stimulation of another sense or part of the body.]
      Multiverse
      That's a good one
      Up to scratch
      Transponder [a device for receiving a radio signal and automatically transmitting a different signal.]
      Six One Two


      GM:Now We Are Getting Somewhere
      They is what they is.
      It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something existed
      Courageous
      "The Vast UICDevice
      Finishing What Was Started"

      William:The Vast UICDevice Finishing What Was Started = 453
      Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden
      Universal Intelligence Communications Device
      It was at the time - still a work in progress.


      GM:Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal
      Transform
      Fire
      We're two opinions deep before we can even analyze the moral question.
      [Try Gateway
      "The picture unfolds like silk in a loom Silhouetted by Diane are the witch and the broom If she is the bride - who is the groom?"
      IQ]

      William: Try Gateway IQ = 171
      When Done Say “Done”
      Changing The Rules
      Another Mind Open
      Source Reality
      The human interface
      Fireside Metaphor
      Mainstream Science
      Go with the Flow
      Respect others
      True happiness
      Inner Strength


      GM:Burgeoning [beginning to grow or increase rapidly; flourishing.]
      "Seductive
      What we call the experience of reality"

      William:Seductive What we call the experience of reality = 464
      "We need your unique and original perspective." = 464
      "Consciousness" = "Zero", mathematically speaking. = 464

      GM:Shamanic
      Failure Wish
      Big Gaps In Logic
      Unknown/Hidden/Occult
      Blunt the edge off that particular blade...
      The relationship between sound and formation re The Universe's existence.
      Image
      Incantation
      Spacetime is doomed
      Sea
      Unite humanity with a living new language
      Transition
      Living our forefather's conflict
      GOD is not an elitist.
      Virtues
      Vehicle
      Extreme

      William: Virtues Vehicle Extreme = 268
      How to Bruise a Ghost Plan = 268

      GM:"Higher Self Dream Guide
      Love Heart
      Raise your frequency"

      William: Higher Self Dream Guide Love Heart Raise your frequency = 535
      Not in it’s wholeness – but certainly in its parts… = 535

      GM:Bandages of The Beast
      A knight in shining armour Manipulation
      Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.
      "Metamorphosis
      The practice of vipassana"

      William: Metamorphosis The practice of vipassana = 402
      [402]
      It is a path already forged, ahead of human arrival
      Your Dream – Alien faces projected in the sky
      Instructions on what to do with data

      Vipassana is an ancient mindfulness meditation technique. It involves observing your thoughts and emotions as they are, without judging or dwelling on them.
      GM:The Squeeze
      Cease to exist
      Final Destination
      "Science Projects
      The Screen"
      Most folk need moderating.
      The journey is fun and maybe that is the point.

      William:Science Projects The Screen = 261
      Universal Belief System = 261

      11:53 [Interesting data
      Centre of learning
      The Healing Power
      "Supernatural"
      Enflame Emotions
      Science of Truth
      Tetragrammaton
      Self-compassion
      It is what it is
      Personal freedom
      One Eighty Two]

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      William: My point was that we as humans don't know. My argument isn't irrational when taken in context. I explained that in my post. I did not say that we were humans before humans existed. I was simply saying that we may have created the whole thing in order to then play in it. That is why I wrote;
      ...through such theories as emergence and by discarding the notion that we exist within a creation which [as another type of Consciousness] we ourselves could have created for purpose, as a complex simulation we could then enter into and experience as a reality and shape the raw materials accordingly.
      The problem with mine-quoting is that when one does this - quoting the other out of context - one then argues against something other than what was actually stated, as you are doing. This is what is referred to as creating a straw man.

      Diogenes: I honestly do not understand your complaint. You wrote:

      I don't see that the implication is that the universe was designed for 'us' as in 'human beings' but rather, for Consciousness to experience the universe through a huge variety of forms, which the universe provides.

      We may even have been the one(s) who designed the universe for that purpose. It remains an unknown but considering we are the only known specie of our type [human] and we have progressed through various epochs - all of which could be seen to be fine-tuning us in relation to the universe we are experiencing and - through science - we are slowly understanding and adapting.
      Diogenes: Whether or not you actually meant what you wrote, "We may even have been the one(s) who designed the universe for that purpose," or whether you meant consciousness in general, I see little difference. When something is "an unknown" why posit a god or other magical source and assume 'purpose'?

      A central problem with the 'fine tuned universe' argument is its inherent assumption of a designer. This is the same assumption underlying the notion that there must be a purpose or 'meaning' to the universe. When one assumes the universe has meaning or purpose, one has already assumed there is a god behind it all.

      William: It has not been established that consciousness [of any sort] has to be regarded as 'supernatural' or 'magic' and the like.

      Until it is established either way, The Subject remains on the table of discussion re The Question, "Do we exist within a creation?"
      "Assumption of a designer" is equal to "assumption of no designer" re The Question and possible answers. One is on the table, so naturally, the other too.

      Diogenes: Tho' the exact mechanism remains a mystery it is easily explained in general by the 100 billion or more neurons in the human brain and the 100 trillion or more synaptic connections.

      William: Your focus is on the human brain alone. It has not been established that consciousness only resides in and works through the human brain.

      Nor did your post address my own.

      I am forced to assume the position of "we don't know either way" re The Question "Do we exist within a creation?", rather than assume one way or the other, thus - from my position, The Subject remains on the table.

      Diogenes: Right. I suppose you are free to think it comes from the feet, the heart or the stomach... or from some magical unknown 'god.' Whatever mystical mumbo jumbo you want to suppose, but I am tired of trying to use logic and science to explain things to you, or to address your irrelevant questions.
      ____________________

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      SCLx9 + select last LE per shuffle
      It gives rise to a lot of speculative mythology unsuccessfully attempting to make the dots all connect. - Large Elemental Powers - Temporary - Always Extraterrestrial - Betterment - We cannot hinder the process, but we can help it. - Here-and-now - Pyramid - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...75874#p1075874 -

      From the link;
      Indeed - The Book tells us exactly who is YHWH and what we are in relation to that.

      The mystery is in how each personality responds to that - as to whether they serve the Dark side of YHWH or the Light side of YHWH or relinquish the right to either side of YHWH by accepting the whole of YHWH.
      AP= https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80217#p1080217
      Communicating with Consciousness - The Nature of The Mind
      [Communicating with Consciousness - The Nature of The Mind = 583]

      [583]
      The formless tone of equality; the bypass of limitation

      William: From the link;
      Rose: Why would anyone wish to do that?

      Is it through grief with attendant emotions? In which case it is understandable but irrational.

      Or is it idle curiosity without reason? Which explains the showmanship of mediums, an entertainment. Mainly a con in my view. Think of people such as James Randi who debunked many an unfortunate con artist.

      To my mind it is unhealthy and dangerous to delve in matters that promise to be detrimental. I see no good coming from it.

      The Bible warns us to have no connection with mediums and such, I believe the Bible is giving excellent advice. Leave well alone that which is a natural necessary process. We live, we must die. Acceptance is the only real peace. Even if you could communicate with those gone, what good could it do?

      William: "Contacting The Dead" - "Communication with the dead"
      The pattern seems to be -
      1: The Ancients were not aware at first that when one dies, that is the end of oneself. Thus they believed that they could communicate with those who had died.
      2: Since it appeared to be the case that the mediums were talking to something intelligent, it was determined that the only invisible intelligence one should commune with was GOD - specifically the God of the Israelites who happened to use mediums...called "Prophets".
      3: Later, this idea developed into belief that when people died they stayed dead, therefore - [apart from GOD] any invisible intelligence was designated "demonic" unless it stated that it believed Jesus was GODs Medium.
      RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

      06:24 [The Ghost is acknowledged]


      GM: The evidence points to the universe as not being an accident of mindless happenstance, but rather, the universe is a purposeful mindful event.
      "The Supernatural and the Bible
      Delineating [describe or portray (something) precisely.]
      Quantum"

      William: Honest attempts at scrubbing up Interesting = 488
      The Supernatural and the Bible Delineating Quantum = 488

      GM: "Taking root
      Looking After Poor People"

      William: How do we get all of these GMs on the same page? = 396
      Taking root Looking After Poor People = 396

      GM: Dilatory [slow to act. intended to cause delay.]
      "Astral
      As busy as a bee"

      William: Astral As busy as a bee = 191
      [191]
      The Nature of Angels
      Cleaning Up The Mess
      The devil you say
      Getting off the hook
      The One We Cannot See
      Living in Alignment
      Getting unstuck
      Personal growth
      A Game Rule was broken
      ...next level stuff...
      Astral As busy as a bee


      GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD4jHDvNB80

      William: Death Is Not the End = 171
      [171]
      When Done Say “Done”
      Suppression
      Changing The Rules
      Another Mind Open
      Source Reality
      The human interface
      Three-dimensional
      Fireside Metaphor
      Mainstream Science
      Go with the Flow
      Respect others
      True happiness
      Inner Strength
      Try Gateway IQ
      Death Is Not the End

      GM: All The Same
      The conscious mind of the individual is heavily influenced by the genetic mind
      The ride is wild
      The Mind is The Invisible Garage Dragon
      The Mandela Effect
      "Haha Joke We Win"
      Elysian [paradise reserved for the heroes immortalized by the gods.]
      Anunnaki
      "Vortex
      Television"


      William: Vortex Television = 234
      [234]
      Try Different Methods
      That’s the way I fire up
      The hologram of deception
      The Mainstream Program
      The Ghost is acknowledged
      The Mother is his Muse...
      The Hounds of Judgement
      Vortex Television

      GM: "Yours
      It is always a warm fuzzy"

      William: Yours It is always a warm fuzzy = 396
      [396]
      How do we get all of these GMs on the same page?
      Taking root Looking After Poor People
      Yours It is always a warm fuzzy

      I recently had this conversation;
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87668#p1087668

      From the link;
      Theophile: Very similar logics at play for sure. But I daresay this version sounds much colder than the biblical narrative, with terms like 'Nature' (versus an interpersonal God), 'survival' (versus a vision of the heavens and the earth flourishing with life), and 'programming' (versus free and responsible human beings). I suppose I like a story that gives more of the warm and fuzzies

      William: Yes. This is an off-shoot of the experience of Hugs [specifically a Mothers] and it would be incorrect to abandon that warm fuzzy as some kind of unnecessary attempt to superimpose something false upon something real.

      While I may not wonder re the idea that we exist within a creation, I do - naturally enough - have to wonder at the state of the mind which thought up this monstrosity;



      The image typifies the Planet Earth experience in general...the hidden Gems are coming through the Human experience of it, which isn't so much a monster as it is a lost soul in need of a Mothers Hug.

      Hence the projection out onto the Reality being Experienced.
      GM: If You Must Believe - Believe This:
      Realise
      Within Carry
      Crafted
      Don't Get Caught Up
      *Wink*
      A programmed reality that is not real
      Integral Network
      Thinking Allowed
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...79959#p1079959

      William: From the Link;
      Diogenes: Because we actually ARE, and are not God, therefore this impossibly omniscient/omnipontent God can not exist.

      William: It appears that here, you are relying upon an image of GOD which we can agree comes through the particular culture you and I came through experience of.

      I see also that you have included the factor of all-powerfulness too.

      Critique of this image has merit, but no merit if the critique is simply focused on GOD not existing.
      GM: Brilliant
      Overwhelming
      I would say...
      With
      Free-spirit
      A Great Answer!
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...37619#p1037619

      William: From the link;
      Re: The Three Biblical Interpretations About Afterlife
      [3] A "Person" is an eternal Spirit in human form and when the body dies, that Spirit immediately moves to the next phase and either knowingly or unknowingly creates for their self, their next experience, based upon a combination of mainly what they believe, what their overall attitude is and what they did in the previous phase.
      GM: Pearl of wisdom

      07:14 [The Nature of Reality]

      JK&William:

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      JK: I'm still not seeing a way to refute your position. As I try to play out different scenarios, it seems as if I'm answering myself.

      That last bit's an interesting bit itself.

      I'm still firmly in the "product of the brain" camp, but your hypothesis is a fascinating alternate explanation. While it may appear to propose a 'god', to my -ahem- mind, it lacks the baggage of so many such claims.
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      Opening Doors Easy To Find - In Detail - Source Intelligence - Narrative warfare - That is because every day, I am adding to the data - and it is a slow and sure process. - International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - [Split Thread] Randomly Generated Messages - Often sheltered from the storm - warm my body soul and spirit feeling alright. - Like Unto Ghidrah - many heads one beast... - Wife - International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - The Seed of Origin

      AP= How stories are created... "In thinking more about that truly unknown thing called the sub or unconscious aspect of ourselves, I found myself thinking that we are to it, what our shadow is to us" [= 1975]

      [One Nine Seven Five = 183]
      [183]
      Elemental Powers
      Fling That Veil Aside
      Test The Waters
      The Gospel of Judas
      The Hubble Telescope
      Manifest Destiny
      Planned obsolescence
      Hydrogen and helium
      Learn to trust
      The brain as a receiver
      Sister Saturn
      Truthfulness
      Transformation
      Embracing your life
      The problem of evil
      Cosmic Pluralism
      Children of The Light

      RSP = SCLx1 Page 1 & Page 11 & Page 111]

      05:36 [Ancient Grey Entity]
      [Page 1]
      GM: Interpretation is secondary to the process

      Witch Woman of The Cat Realm

      ComList
      Leave a Trail

      William: ComList Leave a Trail = 197
      [197]
      Selfless attitude
      Quantum Jumping
      Your Thoughts
      Roller Coaster Ride
      Making Up Stories
      Breathe In Breathe Out
      Genetic information
      That is the truth.
      The sound of a Ghost
      Don't forget The Mind
      Two Sixty Nine
      A belly full of laughs.
      Presence Telepathy
      One One Zero Seven

      GM: "I say this in terms of the generical idea of God rather than any particular religious idea of God."
      Beckoning
      [Folk get so hung up about the little stuff]
      "You’ve been a rock - For so long now I can’t even count the years that you’ve been rolling Nothing can shock or bring you down There ain’t nothing you haven’t seen - Nothing you haven’t known"
      While We All Wait....

      William: "The little stuff" can sometimes appear to be large...What is Webb Telescope showing us when we enlarge The Small? That there seems to be an endless supple of it throughout The Big.
      This reminds me of the discussion between Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins where Neil asks Richard about the ethics of science [37:00 - 41:39]
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXlfjzl-CFw
      William: Neil's list of the repercussions when scientific knowledge is used incorrectly - stating that it was far more problematic in Richard's Science [biology] than in Neil's science [astrophysics] and Richard point's out an ethical problem re astrophysics which Neil had not listed.

      GM: Descriptive
      An Objective
      Make obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
      It is a good sign when Joey Knothead cannot argue against the evidence you present
      Working on that...
      I see no solution to said problem coming from either theist or atheist positions.
      Worth
      The Trinity of Love
      "Astral Pulse
      Odd Radio Circles
      A Sturdy Place Within that which is unseen"

      William: Astral Pulse Odd Radio Circles A Sturdy Place Within that which is unseen = 717
      [717]
      It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.
      That is because every day, I am adding to the data - and it is a slow and sure process.

      GM: Go Within and Find That Place
      Teach
      Crown chakra
      Consensus Realities
      Points of Reference
      'Developing a thick skin'
      Kind
      "Individual Actions
      Proceed with causation, cautiously..."

      William: The Wisdom of Foresight; "Go slow When One is Feeling Tired” = 561
      Individual Actions Proceed with causation, cautiously... = 561


      GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6lbwcCI8TA
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81622#p1081622
      Expression Of Appreciation
      Follow The Story-Line
      Stone Age
      [Page 11]
      "Create Your Own Spirit Ship
      [Such reduces the opportunity of conflict re interrelation opinions.]"

      William: The evidence supporting the likely existence of said mind, gives us no reason to compartmentalize it as 'magic' = 1071
      Create Your Own Spirit Ship [Such reduces the opportunity of conflict re interrelation opinions. = 1071

      GM: "Psychological events
      Enlighten Discussion Forum
      Training"

      William: Psychological events Enlighten Discussion Forum Training = 621
      [621]
      Everyone: "In space nobody can hear you scream" Saturn: "Hold my beer"
      The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything Behind The Scenery

      GM: Encouraging Indication
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83804#p1083804

      William: From the link;
      William: The mind is even more inaccessible than we once thought the atom was. This is because the mind does not appear to be made up of matter, even that it appears that it might be emergent of matter.

      The truth is, it might be. The truth is not that it is or it isn't.
      GM: Constructor Theory
      "Zero" must have to represent something which does exist but is largely unseen - and "Consciousness" fits that description.
      "Childhood Nightmares
      Expectant
      Is There
      A GOD in The Making"
      Language
      Keep me in The Loop
      Evolutionary Game Theory
      Waxing and waning.
      https://sovereignintegral.org/paper/
      The Feminine Face of God
      God2
      The Christchurch EQ
      Dreamed Up By Yours Truly
      Concern
      Economic
      It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.
      Betterment
      I am all ears to any rewording for clarification
      In The Team Of The Collective
      Dualism merely expresses two sides of the same coin
      Gateway
      Recognise
      Deceiving Entities
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...82688#p1082688

      William: From the link;
      As is the case with religion itself, if it was from a Cosmic mind, you'd expect it all to be the same. If it was from an evolved human instinct, you'd expect us all to do it but with sub -species variants. Which is what we seem to get.
      What we get through Theism the same as what we get through some other culture.
      Your intel is off as your premise would have to be that "Theists are fully connected to a Cosmic Mind", which would allow for the expectation that 'it would be all the same' and hasn't allowed/accounted for any misrepresentation and subsequent misrepresentation of a Cosmic Mind which might occur through forms of Theism.

      Tread careful - it is a Mind Field...
      GM: "Phantasma
      Wise
      Conscious"

      William: Phantasma Wise Conscious = 267

      [267]
      The Need Determines the Value
      It’s both a break-in and a break-out.
      The Best way to access God is...
      Intertextual References
      Is OOBE like 'coming up for air'
      Conscious Eats Experience
      Available to all who seek this...
      Self-development Mind’s Eye

      GM: There is nothing fundamentally evil or good about struggle, or the design of the experiential reality which implements struggle.
      Miracles
      Self Doubt
      [Page 111]

      William: I understand Joey is correct. Engaging with ones thoughts [in ones own time and language] is how one connects with the things of consciousness...the depths therein...it certainly is engaging with one's "Demons" as much as with ones "Angels"... a reconciliation point being sought as a consequence...

      GM: A reconciliation point being sought as a consequence... = 491
      Invention is utilizing something discovered. = 491

      William: Which is exactly what is occurring with the discovery of a means in which to help the process - the discovery of Message Generating...

      GM: https://theagnosticforum.com/threads....344/post-1736

      William: The "Natural-Neutral" position

      GM: A simulation experienced within the brain is called a dream
      The Respect You Give
      If In Doubt Let It Sit
      GameMakers
      Dance
      Extra evidence is provided
      To make obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
      Duty Calls
      The Crystal Clear Waters
      Your Move
      Enjoy Progress
      Batten down the hatches
      Divine Purpose
      Recipe
      As In
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73457#p1073457

      William: From the link; [040422]
      William: As far as the evidence goes, the idea we are currently within some type of Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation isn't so far fetched as to be off the table...

      Seeds: I like what you're saying there, VVilliam, however, I'm not a fan of the word "Simulation" when it comes to the workings of the universe.

      "Illusion," yes. But "Simulation," not so much.

      A "Simulation" of what?

      William: I have seen this complaint before seeds, and it caused me to pause and reflect if that is the correct word to be using.

      That is why I call it a 'reality simulation' as it is simulating a reality which can be experienced as real.

      More to the point, whatever is experiencing it as real has to be conscious, so the only real thing in the whole HERS are the consciousnesses which are experiencing it.

      If any illusion is going on regarding that, it is the idea that consciousness is the illusion and the universe is the real thing, which is the basic tenet of emergent theory and the overall message supporters of that theory, preach....

      GM: Animistic
      Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views.

      William: It would be a step in a better direction than the one humanity is currently projecting.
      The shame we carry about being the human animal does have its reason for being, but we have to - as individuals - rise above the shame and understand the fuller picture - what was done was natural enough and can be forgiven in that context but without the forgiveness, there are only repetitive patterns of shame based expression into the shared reality.

      GM: ~Ooky Spooky
      Inner critic~
      William: Ooky Spooky Inner critic = 289
      [289]
      The Suppression Matrix
      This is how The Mind works...
      Within that which is unseen...
      Brother Wolf Sister Moon
      Ooky Spooky Inner critic


      GM: Intelligent Awareness
      Realm of Remembrance
      [The curating is done when I am taking my first baby steps and learning to say "dada" and "mama" and after uttering those sounds show -at least that I am able to do that - so the next level entry is made available to me, and I learn how to shape the sounds I can make, following codes which have been around since long before my own arrival on this planet, to what the data signifies, that is information I am interested in.]
      Shallow
      Copy
      Seductive What we call the experience of reality
      Unite humanity with a living new language
      Be Free
      Spirituality
      The truth of objective reality as experienced subjectively.
      Fearlessness neutralizes fear
      Golden nugget
      [The Mark of The Beast
      Three Dimension Printing]
      Personal Participation With The One
      Thel

      William: Thel's Motto
      "Does the Eagle know what is in the pit?
      Or wilt thou go ask the Mole:
      Can Wisdom be put in a silver rod?
      Or Love in a golden bowl?"

      GM: The non-Judgmental Algorithm
      Small Steps
      Your Own Individual Actions
      Nurture
      06:57 [Conscientiousness]

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      Chamber Of Self

      From March GM.
      Union
      Chamber Of Self
      Ghost In The Machine
      __________________
      From April GM.
      Incorporate
      Hacking through the subconsciousness
      In The Spirit These Were Given
      Chamber Of Self
      Coming From QueenBee
      Open Your Heart
      Compass of Divine Insight
      Communicating
      ____________
      From May GM
      William: My dreams are an experience and lately I have been aware of how these experiences are interactions with 'The Dream Team' ...

      GM: Chamber Of Self
      The Moment
      Provenance [the place of origin or earliest known history of something. the beginning of something's existence; something's origin. ]
      Adversary [one's opponent in a contest, conflict, or dispute.]
      Persevere
      Cultivate
      Cleanliness
      Self-acceptance
      Universe
      'The Dream Team'
      ______________
      From July GM
      GM: Evidence We Actively Collect
      "The Enigma Code
      Chamber Of Self"

      William: The Enigma Code Chamber Of Self = 222, as do;
      The House of Culture
      The Mother and The Father
      Start where you are
      The Enigma Code Chamber Of Self

      GM:Chamber Of Self
      Emotional validation
      And stuff like that

      GM: Though the Serpent rules the Shadow
      Liminal [relating to a transitional or initial stage of a process. occupying a position at, or on both sides of, a boundary or threshold.]


      William: Like "Natural-Neutral" re theism and atheism...not "Agnostic" because that is a known subset of atheism...

      GM: The Spirit of The Earth
      Essentially, we are Gaia in Human Form...

      William: Such is the nature of consciousness...

      GM: Chamber Of Self
      "And the wind will blow my tears away"

      [Welcoming answer
      The Internal Voice]

      GM: Put yourself in your own shoes
      Oneness of Wholeness
      A Sturdy Place
      Chamber Of Self
      _____________

      Definition of chamber
      1: ROOM
      especially : BEDROOM
      2: a natural or artificial enclosed space or cavity
      3a: a hall for the meetings of a deliberative, legislative, or judicial body
      the senate chamber
      b: a room where a judge transacts business —usually used in plural
      c: the reception room of a person of rank or authority
      4a: a legislative or judicial body
      especially : either of the houses of a bicameral legislature
      b: a voluntary board or council
      5a: the part of the bore of a gun that holds the charge
      b: a compartment in the cartridge cylinder of a revolver
      _____________________________________________

      100822
      Deciding On the Best Course of Action

      SCLx12 + select last LE per shuffle
      The Tree of Life - Photograph - Universal Belief System - Scape - Your Higher Purpose - Journey - Like mindful nests with eggs in 'em - Anthropos Quaternio - Consciousness Interacts - Through Others - Consciousness

      AP= Mystery Consensus Realities [=352]

      [352]
      [Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?
      What constitutes a measurement?
      Mystery Consensus Realities]


      RSP = Pages 65 & 27 & 83

      05:31 [Mapping Wholeness]
      [Page 65]
      GM: Some
      Nature
      How are we to react in relation to our choices?
      https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...111/nbfr.12603
      See-Through
      Inform
      Umwelt Courageous [Umwelt - the world as it is experienced by a particular organism.]
      To Be Sovereignty
      Astral Teachers
      The Trinity of Love are three things operating as One Thing
      A type of 'leg-up' but no more or less than that
      Answer
      Communication with the Deeper Levels of Self

      William: Yes. Through going within - to The Chamber of Self.

      GM: Counsel
      Recipe
      You will overcome
      Added Significance
      Collective
      How about that
      Not
      Perennial
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...77938#p1077938

      William: From the link;
      Mon May 16, 2022 12:42 pm
      Compassionist: If God predestined the lives of humans, how can it be just for God to send some to heaven and some to hell?

      William: Taking [3] into consideration;
      [3] A "Person" is an eternal Spirit in human form and when the body dies, that Spirit immediately moves to the next phase and either knowingly or unknowingly creates for their self, their next experience, based upon a combination of mainly what they believe, what their overall attitude is and what they did in the previous phase.
      William: your question can be answered that Justice is served and that it is not any Spirit [God] but ones self who 'sends' that self to the places that self experiences.

      That is the short answer.

      re the "combination of mainly what they believe, what their overall attitude is and what they did" and predestination, The game is created by Spirit Entities [the players] and is naturally complex.

      The idea is for an Eternal Entity [EE] to enter the Human Avatar [HA] and become completely unaware of any prior existence. The HA provides the means in which this amnesia is made possible.

      From that point on, a character forms and personality develops - none of which are reflective of the EE [game player]. The Character and Personality formed through the interaction, are purely fictional in relation to the EE, but have the potential to be 'made real', which is accomplished through Phases of experience, which include experiences of heavens and hells.

      Heavens and Hells are part of the Game-Play experience.
      GM: Psychic powers
      That's Powerful!
      Downfall
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81597#p1081597

      William: From the link;
      JK: Flowers don't have brains.

      William: Yet they display intelligence through behavior.

      It is possible that what we identify as 'brain' [re identifying the function of] may not actually be confined to only small fatty grey-matter.
      The planet itself, and the galaxy and indeed the whole universe may function in a similar manner as an animal brain. All the elements are there, so there is no reason why we should automatically take the mundane path of explanation over the intelligent path of explanation.

      JK: I never liked the term "fundamental reality. I see reality as a binary state - is or ain't.

      William: Yet in reality Joey, it IS - so no binary necessary.
      It is the conscious examination of what is, which is hampered by brains interpretation of its experience of reality, relayed to consciousness. It is scientific fact that the brain places its own interpretation on reality and in doing so, befuddles consciousnesses intelligent ability to see the true fundamental nature of the reality being experienced.

      Sunflowers do not seem to display the same reaction to the same reality. The reaction is still obviously intelligent, requires no obvious brain, and achieves a more harmonious outcome - aligned with the natural order of everything. Seemingly in touch with fundamental reality as they respond to it unreservedly.
      GM: Endemic
      Inclusion of Jesus in Wiremu's Theology
      Mythology
      "On the off-chance
      A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind"

      William: "On the off-chance A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind" = 584
      Five Eight Four = 151
      [151]
      Jesus Christ
      Unconditional
      Meat For The Table
      Perpetually
      Once Upon a Time
      Yes…I Hear You
      That is the Key.
      Pure spirit
      Talking the talk
      Hidden Treasure
      Individuation
      Data of Experience
      Schizophrenia
      Five Eight Four

      GM: "Sphere
      Forgive"
      "Redefinition of the Human Being
      Practical application"

      William: Redefinition of the Human Being Practical application = 475
      [475]
      The Astral is a creation of the collective human mind
      Not about competition and winners and losers
      Redefinition of the Human Being Practical application

      GM: Rule your world
      Too
      Mothership
      Optimized for Fitness Pay-offs
      There is a lot to unpack here
      Loneliness
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84361#p1084361

      William: From the link;
      brunumb: The supernatural is usually invoked when there is no current natural explanation for the phenomenon or the natural explanation is merely not accepted.

      otseng: And that is the general crux of the argument. If there is no current viable natural explanation (and none that are even remotely possible), then a supernatural causation is a plausible explanation.

      brunumb: There is that big IF to consider. When will we know that there is actually no viable or remotely possible explanation? One can't simply invent an explanation and call it supernatural which is basically what is happening now. The supernatural must demonstrably exist first and then, as William suggested, it really becomes part of what is natural. Something remains in the realm of the invisible until we are able to see it and then it belongs with the visible.

      William: This has to be the truth of it.

      Things of the mind are transposed into nature and therein effect natural outcomes. That is the only natural manner in which the invisible becomes visible.
      The mind [things of] is always within "the realm of the invisible" however, - as is evident - such still 'belongs with the visible' because the visible acknowledges that the realm of the invisible exists and is functioning within the realm of the visible.

      If - at any stage of The Game a god-being emerges from the invisible into the visible, we can examine the event scientifically.

      Until then, there is no event to examine...but there are still events of the mind to examine...and Cosmic Mind is not off the table just because it is largely invisible as any object other than nature itself...
      GM: Elephant
      [Page 27]
      Root chakra
      Eternal Watcher
      Validate
      Convenient
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87235#p1087235

      William: From the link;
      William: The question is a cart before the horse as it first must be established as to why the Bible God made us so incoherent.

      Mortalman: That does not have to be established at all. God has made no one either coherent or incoherent.

      William: Since you wrote asking why the Bible God did not make things crystal clear and are asking - how might the important doctrine of salvation have been presented in the scripture in a clear and coherent way that left little doubt as to the real meaning - I went along with that and deduced that the God hadn't instilled a way - any obvious practical way - in which Humans can be coherent with one another.
      That also reminded me of the Biblical story where the God's Messengers purposefully confused Humans so that they couldn't work together coherently and had to abandon all their projects they had been working on together, prior to that.

      If you are now dropping that line of argument, I am fine with that.
      GM: Educational
      Let us pronounce that argument "silly" and move on...
      Hyperbole
      Awakening
      Voice/Message/Communication
      "Always
      Brother Wolf Sister Moon
      A grateful heart"

      William: Always Brother Wolf Sister Moon A grateful heart = 513
      Five One Three = 132
      [132]
      The Significance
      Description
      Teaching Music
      A loving heart
      A Great Answer!
      In Human Form
      Volunteer
      Reform/Refine
      Thanatophobic [an intense fear of death or dying]
      Zero Waste
      Such can mislead
      Alive and kicking
      An axe to grind
      Integration
      Core emotion
      Solidarity
      Creativity
      Miraculous
      Visionary
      Five One Three

      GM: "I Think We Can Safely Say
      Human beings can do it the hard way or the easy way, but either way, the job will get done."

      William: I Think We Can Safely Say Human beings can do it the hard way or the easy way, but either way, the job will get done. = 1030
      We were not conscious of being a human for a time, but this does not mean that consciousness wasn't there. = 1030


      GM: Reason
      Getting Over It = Getting On With It
      Cub
      Intelligent Consciousness
      Chakra
      Things Are Not Always As They Appear
      Do you believe astrology works
      The conscious mind of the individual is heavily influenced by the genetic mind
      "A Perfect Event
      Sober journey into self-realization"

      William: A Perfect Event Sober journey into self-realization = 537
      The discovering of what makes the Realm of Humanity "tick" = 537

      GM: "Emotional awareness
      Frequencies
      Welcoming the Unwelcome
      Zones of Sensitivity
      Show
      Christian mythology re Satan"

      William: Emotional awareness Frequencies Welcoming the Unwelcome Zones of Sensitivity Show Christian mythology re Satan = 1231
      One Two Three One = 182
      [182]
      Crop formations
      Under question
      In William’s Room
      Whatever you do
      Through Others
      The Wider Reality
      Aye...A name I call myself.
      Synchronicity
      Went To The Devil
      Guitar and Ukulele
      Mirror-Mirror
      In Out and All About
      One Two Three One


      GM: Create Your Own UFO
      We have discussed
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70402#p1070402

      William: From the link;
      brunumb: When you look at this universe and everything within it, it is hard to imagine it all arising from some sort of mindful creator as far as I am concerned.

      William: That is very understandable. However, even being that it is hard to imagine, it is not impossible. I haven't had any insurmountable problem in at least subjectively verifying It exists, or finding ways in which to communicate with It.

      brunumb: Extend that into the domain of the Christian creator God, then it all even becomes an absurdity.

      William: As came up recently in my communion with said Mind -

      GM: Where is Truth?
      We Groove Together
      Recovery
      The resistance is generally traceable to the theistic approach of religionizing said intelligent mind.
      William: What is noticeable about theism - even where it has branched into religionism - is that this is a type of means of leaving a trail in ones wake, and the trail itself shows efforts of The Mind to engage with human minds for the purpose of connecting - but often religious leaders have used this as a means of securing station/position within hierarchal structures which require said leaders to be the middle-person between The Mind and the individual - something easily enough achieved since the individual can be unsure of themselves and even afraid of doing that, so they willingly allow for the medium to act as go-between...which more often than not leads to little to no meaningful connection at all.

      This also occurs in theistic non-religious structures - mostly because individuals doubt themselves sincere and honest enough to drop the medium and connect in a self-responsible manner.

      Even so, I write that as an observation rather than a judgement. The Mind is aware that it is a scary thing for individuate human minds to willingly do, and while ideally if everyone did do it, much good could be accomplished, that most do not do it, does not affect the agenda of said Mind.
      GM: Ugliest
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZbXGDxMRCw

      William: From the link;
      Wakefield Accelerators: The Future of Particle Colliders?
      163,827 views Feb 27, 2018 Wakefield accelerators are new to the world of particle colliders, but they are quickly becoming very popular. They allow you to accelerate particles to very high energies in a fraction of the space a normal accelerator would require.

      Today we take a deep dive into particle physics to learn about accelerators, wake fields, magnetohydrodynamics, cosmic rays and more.
      GM: To assist with strengthening the connect
      International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - The Seed of Origin
      Glad One Asked
      "Naked truth
      One Language Intelligent Network"

      William: Naked truth One Language Intelligent Network = 457
      [457]
      Is there any such thing as 'Objective Morality'
      Confirmation which moves one from faith to fact
      The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything
      Naked truth One Language Intelligent Network

      GM:[Page 83]
      Signs
      Innermost
      Through the building up of the collected data to the point where it can be examined......is The Subject which is being taught, being said to be true or false...
      Keen
      Poetry
      Shrug
      The Truth
      Central Purpose
      Photograph
      Tenacious [tending to keep a firm hold of something; clinging or adhering closely. not readily relinquishing a position, principle, or course of action; determined. persisting in existence; not easily dispelled.]
      Faithful
      Laugh in the face of death...and perhaps death laughs along with you...
      Bandage
      Sensing A Life Mission
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70608#p1070608

      William: From the link;

      JW: Are you suggesting Jehovahs Witnesses have claimed to be prophets?
      William: It appears more to be just a case of the JWs claiming that their interpretation of so-called prophesy is truth...but like you said - it is simply more a case of Jehovah's Witnesses believe full understanding of bible prophecy often comes at the moment they are being fulfilled, rather than before - so they cannot be claiming to be prophets or for that matter, claiming to understand so-called prophesy other than in the framework of some undetermined time when they believe it is "obvious" that the moment of so called prophesy is being fulfilled - as well as using same so called prophesy for differing events unfolding in different timeframes.

      All in all, JWs cannot be said to be either prophets or even some type of agency for interpreting
      so-called prophecies since same prophesies are not something ordinarily associated with being concerned with different events in different timelines.

      There does not actually appear to be any such thing as 'reusable prophesies'.

      Search "prophecy"
      a prediction of what will happen in the future.
      Nothing there to indicate any reusable quality. What is indicated is that prophesy is clear on the details [what WILL happen/not open to interpretation] rather than abstruse [what requires 'interpretation' by those who happen claim to have inside information - something which the title "Witness" does imply] although it is a matter of fact that most, if not all alleged prophecy lends itself to having to go through being 'interpreted' as - is it ever the case that actual clear details are part of any alleged prophesy?[/quote]

      GM: The Moment
      Food for thought
      Separating any idea of GOD from All other Consciousness
      “I do not exist to troll for any religious idea of "GOD"”
      Enough To Make Me Wonder
      People seem to love to put order to chaos because that is only natural, as nature is not chaos.
      They is what they is.
      Respect yourself
      Show Me Your Soul
      Symbol
      Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of
      Self-esteem
      Belonging
      Entheogenic [- psychoactive substances that induce alterations in perception, mood, consciousness, cognition, or behavior for the purposes of engendering ...]
      Reasons For Angry Energy -
      Barking up the wrong tree
      In Human Form
      "The Akashic Records
      ...because death comes a-knockin' eventually..."

      William: The Akashic Records ...because death comes a-knockin' eventually... = 531
      Five Three One = 132
      [132]
      The Significance
      Description
      Teaching Music
      A loving heart
      A Great Answer!
      In Human Form
      Volunteer
      Reform/Refine
      Thanatophobic
      Zero Waste
      Such can mislead
      Alive and kicking
      An axe to grind
      Integration
      Core emotion
      Solidarity
      Creativity
      Miraculous
      Visionary
      Five One Three
      Five Three One

      [The Akashic Records - are a compendium of all universal events, thoughts, words, emotions and intent ever to have occurred in the past, present, or future in terms of all entities and life forms, not just human.]

      [167]
      Realm of Remembrance
      Do Not Worry
      Ooky Spooky
      The Forerunner
      Got The Picture
      All systems go
      Your Best Self
      True Colours
      Majestic Twelve
      Unus Mundus [Latin for "One world") is an underlying concept of Western philosophy, theology, and alchemy, of a primordial unified reality from which everything derives.]
      Seven Four Five
      The Akashic Records

      GM: The problem of evil
      Is the statement one of fact or conjecture? [science or opinion]
      Equanimous [calm and composed.]
      Better The Devil You Know
      Spasmodic [occurring or done in brief, irregular bursts.]
      What Is The Point?


      06:29 [The Power Of Creation
      GOD became Gods and Goddesses. ]

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      Quote Originally Posted by We_Are_VENOM post_id=1019475 time=1597355881 user_id=14878
      Although, most of you may not care lol.

      I took a hiatus because I felt that after hundreds of posts and dishing out intellectual "spankings" throughout this great and well-run forum, I decided to "take my talents to other forums" *Lebron James voice, kudos if you know the reference*

      Those other forums can't hold a candle to this one, though.

      Its nice to see some familiar names still doing their thing, along with some newer ones.

      For those of you who know me, get ready.

      For those of you who don't know me; I am a Christian Apologist, here to do the Lord's work..which is to defend Christian theism against skeptics, critics, Bible attackers, atheists, agnostics, naturalists, scientists.

      I also keep extra clips for false religious teachings, such as those of Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Black Hebrew Israelites (to name a few).

      The plan is to strive to reveal the truth of/about God and his word...doing so in my own special way.

      My intellectual hit list (yes, I am calling out names): BustNak, DivineInSight, Zzzz, benchwarmer, Jagella <---not limited to

      My allies: ttruscott, otseng, tam

      See you guys in traffic.
      Welcome back We_Are_VENOM

      A friendly word of advise. Follow the forum rules and respect everyone.

      If you find that your beliefs re "Serving The Lord" conflict with those rules, don't question the rules or attempt in any way to usurp the rules or you will risk being suspended, which will only act against your ability to "Serve The Lord" in this setting.

      Or, failing that - perhaps see such a fate as The Lord telling you that you are not in the right place whereby The Lord can be Served in the manner you are trying to Serve The Lord.

      Whatever your decisions, may you find The Way eventually.

      The Evidence
      ___________
      110822
      Now We Are Getting Somewhere

      SCLx18 + select last LE per shuffle
      Until "Christ Returns" - Occupy - I come from a dark place , it is so dark I can't even remember it - The Mother - My advice to the reader is to follow the links - Team - Narrow Closed Loop Production - Children - Pareidolia - Navigational Aids - Feeling State - Interactive - Recommendable - Validate - To Be Sovereignty - Read On - James Webb Space Telescope - Money - Leg Hold Traps

      AP= Don’t give up Contact With
      [=269]

      [269]
      [Reasons For Angry Energy -
      This Translates To That.
      Unconscious mind inertia
      Successful replications
      There is a lot to unpack here
      A sacrifice isn't the same as a dream
      Random coincidence? I think not.
      The Creator Atman Here-and-now
      Don’t give up Contact With]

      William: I am more inclined toward building upon The Relationship...

      RSP = [Pages 22, 37, 19]

      06:58 [= 207] [The Butterfly Effect]

      GM: Respect yourself
      [The Fine Art of Not Being Offended]
      "In The Family Of
      Deep Impact Event
      Called To Order"

      William: In The Family Of Deep Impact Event Called To Order = 433
      [433]
      Acting In Congruity With Given Foresight
      There are two ways to approach the problem
      If I "talk to the Dead" then they must all be living

      GM: ...and the way forward, eyes wide open
      “I do not exist to troll for any religious idea of "GOD"”
      Potential Communication
      Efficacious [successful in producing a desired or intended result; effective.]
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZbXGDxMRCw

      William: From the link;
      Wakefield Accelerators: The Future of Particle Colliders?
      163,839 views Feb 27, 2018 Wakefield accelerators are new to the world of particle colliders, but they are quickly becoming very popular. They allow you to accelerate particles to very high energies in a fraction of the space a normal accelerator would require.

      Today we take a deep dive into particle physics to learn about accelerators, wake fields, magnetohydrodynamics, cosmic rays and more.
      William: You've mentioned this a few time in recent GMs...

      GM: "Unconditional
      Earth Entity
      In William's Room"

      William: As in - the Ancient Grey Entity paying me a visit all those years ago...

      GM: The Banner of Apotheosis
      Debate
      Behind The Scenery
      https://media.giphy.com/media/9kI1ho...pf83/giphy.gif

      William: *shrugs* yes...what more can a poor boy do under such circumstance...

      GM: "The Alien Disc crop circle
      The Kindness of Sleep
      The Wisdom of Foresight"

      William: The Crop Circle happened years later in relation to a game being played on an old WingMakers Forum and signified relationship between the CC image of the Alien holding a communications device...
      The "Kindness of Sleep" is reference to the hypnogogic state during the visitation experience
      The "Wisdom of Foresight" is how The Visitation Event added to and precipitated within my psyche the gift of ability to correlate data as a means of deciphering likely outcome...

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84694#p1084694

      William: From the link;
      Re the question "Do we exist within a creation?" the question "Do Gods exist?" is secondary and needn't be tackled until the first question is answered.
      Therefore, Theism, and subsequently Atheism and Agnosticism are positions created, based on the horse before cart fallacy...which is to say, the arguments created re the secondary question being asked ahead of the primary question not yet answered, are fallacious.

      The statements;
      "God Must Exist" and "Infinite Regression is Impossible" are false on two counts.

      1: It has not been established that we exist within a creation, therefore the premise "God must exist" is faulty.

      2: Infinite Regression AND Infinite Progression have been shown to be possible re the Mandelbrot Set.
      GM: The path of awakening
      "Synchronicity and the Holographic Universe
      Coincidence
      Illusion"

      William: Synchronicity and the Holographic Universe Coincidence Illusion = 654
      Resistance to that realization isn't helpful re aligning with it. = 654

      GM: The Path Of Faith
      Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden From Its Selves
      Union
      "Dungeons and Dragons
      Exploring Fractal Paths
      Something you cannot change
      Masks
      God's Love Direction"

      William: Dungeons and Dragons Exploring Fractal Paths Something you cannot change Masks God's Love Direction = 976
      Nine Seven Six = 159
      [159]
      Dreaming of bad police
      The speed of light
      The Grand Portal
      You Trust
      Sovereignty
      The Unveiled One
      Ancient Entity
      Do You Remember?
      Get To Know It
      The Mother of God
      The sound of a bell
      The Seed of Origin
      Hexagon Storm
      Your Dream Team
      Family of origin
      Love and Respect
      The data of Nature.
      Nine Seven Six

      GM: Your Best Self
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87450#p1087450

      William: From the link;
      Diogenes: Why would you need to imagine a god controlling this?

      William: I don't. I Imagine a Mind which brought it into being. I cannot say with any certainty that I Imagine that said Mind is controlling this Universe.
      What I Imagine is that there are subset minds involved and that these can act as mirrors re the overall Mind...

      In that, I Imagine that the planet [Earth] has a Mind - which derived from a bigger form of Mind, which itself was begotten by the overall Universal Mind.
      Furthermore, I cannot give the nod to my own mind, without realizing that I am experiencing the Universe from a position way deep down among the food-chain-on-a-need-to-know-basis.
      If this muddy apish man has a mind, there is no way in hell I am going to laugh at the thought that the rest of the Universe isn't also Mindful.

      My suspicion is that no God 'controls' the Universe, but one is working on doing so, from the inside, out. This God calls itself "Human" and worships his intelligence as supreme and wishes to take this into the heavenly night sky and somehow own it by controlling it enough to do so.

      I figure that this reaction mirrors The Earths Entities own agenda and that is why things are going the way that they are going. The Earth Wishes to Spread Her Wings and She currently has Humans working on creating AI which will assist in this operation.

      It is not that She isn't already "In The Heavens" but that she wants to be more pro-active in that regard...really get in amongst it all on a touchy-feely basis - something we Humans understand intimately.
      GM: To
      Unknown Symbol
      Hugs and Kisses
      Authenticity
      Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from?
      Sweet Talk Be grateful to everyone
      The Clear Eye Of Soul

      [Page 37]

      GM: "Pareidolia
      Hidden In Plain Sight
      Little Bird
      Fling That Veil Aside"

      William: Pareidolia Hidden In Plain Sight Little Bird Fling That Veil Aside = 566
      Five Six Six = 146
      [146]
      Invisible Bridge
      Manifestation
      Sleeping Dragon
      Realities Merge
      Interoperate [is the setup of ad hoc components and methods to make two or more systems work together as a combined system with some partial functionality during a certain time, possibly requiring human supervision to perform necessary adjustments and corrections]
      Transparent
      Enlightenment
      Relationship
      True Colors
      On all fronts
      No axe to grind...

      GM: Runestone Symbol [Random Select]

      William: Algiz


      Algiz is the elk, and so represents defence and protection. If you get this one, it means that you have the internal power to manifest your dreams and that your spirit guides are protecting you along your path. It is said to act as a shield to guard you against evil. It can also represent an awakening and strong intuition.
      KEYWORDS: Protection, guardian, awakening, courage, defence, instincts


      GM: Spring
      The Main Points On The Agenda
      Christianity is intolerant of such an idea, which is why the dark side of YVHV became a separate entity.
      Quantum Jumping
      Ideal
      A knight in shining armour
      Smart
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70048#p1070048
      "Consciousness Incarnates
      The Metaphysical Universe
      Oneirology
      Mapping Wholeness"

      William: Consciousness Incarnates The Metaphysical Universe Oneirology Mapping Wholeness = 888
      [Oneirology - the scientific study of dreams]
      Eight Eight Eight = 147
      [147]
      Assumption
      Non-Ordinary
      A Bit Of Both Yes
      Establishment
      Interactions
      Self-Awareness
      Translucent
      Heal Yourself
      Determination
      The Heart of a Buddha
      Let people help
      One Zero Eight
      Nine Eight Three
      Eight Eight Eight

      GM: The Heart Of The Soul Is Innocence
      Inner Strength
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...75272#p1075272

      William: From the link;
      Nobs: Until god steps down from its lofty perch (if it's real) and laws out definite proof, all else is, at the very least, imaginary.

      William: I understand the reasons behind the thought expressed. I literally see GOD is everything, so for me, it is more than just "imaginary".

      Even if Jesus does return...we shall have to cross that bridge when it happens - until then, such remain in the place of the imagination...
      GM: Love Your Life
      Hidden Gem
      Let It Be And So Be It
      Ah Oh...
      Forum
      Lordy! Do I Have To?
      Learn Well
      As well as that pot of gold...
      True happiness Awake Be here now
      "Be they seeds or suns, or be it that suns are seeds, it is all part of the universe, and everything that we acknowledge as the universe, came from a tiny seed."
      Fear Of The Unknown
      Tabula Rasa [a supposed condition that empiricists have attributed to the human mind before ideas have been imprinted on it by the reaction of the senses to the external world of objects.]
      Fearlessness
      It is fun ...as well as edgy...to explore these new avenues of thinking and learning and application.
      Shine
      Enlightened
      Learn a bit about what makes the God Realm "tick"
      Indication
      A time prior to human beings
      The Future Creates the Present
      07:53 [The Blank-Slate Borderlines]


      William:

      GM:

      William: TBC
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      11:34 [The path of awakening]

      [Page 19] [ = 105] [Congruence]

      GM: "The Confusion of War
      Get Comfortable
      Permanent"

      William:
      In an environment which is able to perceive this. = 460
      The Confusion of War Get Comfortable Permanent = 460

      William: It would appear that warfare was intended and built into the Game-Play - perhaps not as a permanent thing, but as something required as a temporary measure.
      The danger may be in getting used to Warfare as a means to an end, could bring an end to the means..

      GM: Mind To Mind https://debatingchristianity.com/for...20To%20Mind.,-
      William: Yes. From the link;
      William: So therein it is the universe which is shaping our opinion and thus our morals.

      If our universe is really just a chaotic misshapen mindless mess of a thing, we draw a blank on being able to answer the question as to WHY we are using an apparent mindless mess of a thing to shape our opinions and morals and how come we think that is going to solve the hard problems we current face as a specie.

      Whereas, if we choose to adopt the notion that there is a Mind to that apparently messed up thing - those questions are answered as follows...

      ;

      We shape our opinions and morals through understanding that we are here for that reason.

      Not that reason alone, but that reason initially.

      We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one, while involved within said "The Universe" depending on how we [each] actually reflect the Universes intentions through our [individual] behavior.

      The Universe can only have intention if the Universe also has a Mind.

      So we [each] make up our own Mind re that and proceed accordingly.
      GM: "Top
      Limpid [completely clear and transparent. unclouded; clear. clear and accessible or melodious.]
      Conviction
      The Mind Behind Creation"

      William: I am all ears to any rewording for clarification

      GM: Sign
      Hell
      Longing
      One cannot experience the objective realty of the world directly
      Soul Groups A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
      Idealistic
      Semiotics [ the study of signs and symbols and their use or interpretation.]
      Wild freedom
      "Universe of Wholeness
      Start From Scratch"

      William: Universe of Wholeness Start From Scratch = 456
      [456]
      Perhaps backwards or forwards doesn't matter
      As long as GMs are coherent, they can be interpreted

      GM: Intelligence With Wisdom
      Spirit Beings From Saturn
      Translucency [transmitting and diffusing light so that objects beyond cannot be seen clearly. b : clear, transparent translucent water. 2 : free from disguise or falseness]
      "From what I am seeing re the data - It shows clearly that an underlying intelligence operates quietly in the background of the Universes Structure."
      The Data of Experience
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...82466#p1082466

      William: From the link;
      Most of the atheist arguments have turned out to be Smoke and Mirrors.
      The very idea of a Mind - even to the depths of the Quantum Presence has them fleeing from
      Merging with the data and understanding the Integral Network which Mind is and is involved with the development of.
      This lack of being reasonable is shirking from Responsibility following after the Tempting Vision and hope in eventual "death by cease to exist" - the promise of ending the nightmare of existing - yet
      The Way of the Shaman is allowing life to breath - even if the breath appears to be associated with Sagan's' Dragon in the Garage...it is what it is and even if it hisses smokey instructions inducing the stuff of Childhood Nightmares from some deep part of us, a simple understanding and a gentle reminder - like a Moderator Comment - can make a world of difference...remind oneself occasionally that when the smoke clears [as it will when the dragon stops speaking] one is still left with the mirror.]
      Yes indeed...When the smoke clears, one is still left with the mirror...
      GM: Context
      The "Power-Station Concept"
      I'm okay with that
      Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God"
      "Independent
      Commitment"

      William: Independent Commitment = 235
      [235]
      Imposed Appropriates
      Delightful Anticipation
      The Navigator Can Read Maps.
      Stop. Listen. Observe.
      My alarm bells are ringing
      The Judgement Algorithm
      For the benefit of all beings
      Independent Commitment

      GM: Sophia and Han
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88183#p1088183
      Far Out! Shucks! Explain!

      William: From the link;
      William: From my position, while I understand Richard Dawkins being opposed to theistic jibba-jabba in the face of Scientific discovery, and he just wants folk to be awestruck about life without supporting any notions of being within a creation, [as per the thoughts of a past heretic-martyr-observer re the Christian God being just too small to fill the boots of "The Creator of The Universe"] - I accept the science and apply it to a far vaster entity which might be responsible for creating this [our] Universe.

      In doing so - of course - one allows for any definition of such a being, to remain as of necessity - open ended in the sense that such cannot really be defined adequately while the science is still being done.

      The best I can do with that, re my position is to make the definitions while also allowing for changes in the definitions to occur, as the information is made available.

      When it comes to questions about such subjects as Resurrection Sky Gods ["stuff like that"], I am forced to conclude that if such did/does happen, it would have to be explained as the handiwork of Extraterrestrial Science at best.

      ETScience is [of course] -hovering near the boarders of "Supernatural Woo" - since it hasn't been established that ET even exists, let alone that ET has been interacting in the Human Storyline...I only 'call' it, because it is Scientifically possible, given our currently expanding understanding of the nature of this Universe...

      For me - What Richard Dawkins is speaking of re the Awesomeness of Life, is simply magnified when a GOD-creator more appropriate to the situation is contemplated...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXlfjzl-CFw
      GM: We are not orphaned - we are authored
      Of The Human Being
      Phantasma [a perception of something that has no physical reality; of the mind;]
      The Freedom Of Friendship
      Simulacra [an image or representation of someone or something.]

      William: Phantasma The Freedom Of Friendship Simulacra = 418
      [418]
      Listening to and believing in fearful imagery
      Make Truthfulness the objective standard
      Life on this planet, as a human being, is difficult.
      The conversation is very informative.
      Phantasma The Freedom Of Friendship Simulacra

      GM: "Either Authored or Orphaned"
      [Don't let schooling interfere with your education]

      12:00 [=220]
      [220]
      Intimate On All Levels
      This Is Part Of The Job
      Why did the biblical God change?
      Beyond a shadow of a doubt
      Conducive to wellbeing

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      JK: I'm still firmly in the "product of the brain" camp, but your hypothesis is a fascinating alternate explanation. While it may appear to propose a 'god', to my -ahem- mind, it lacks the baggage of so many such claims.

      William: I know you are not partial to video JK - but for the readers who are;

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c47auO5Usc

      From the link;
      Are we living in someone's mind? Why is the structure of the universe so similar to the brain?
      105,103 views Aug 3, 2022

      -Chapters-
      0:00 Are we living in someone's mind?
      1:35 Comparison between the brain and the universe
      4:24 Why is the structure of the universe similar to the brain?
      5:42 4 types of Intelligent life
      8:37 The secret of the universe

      Christian Creationist: So we're now embracing science fiction as well as science, why am I not surprised!
      ___________

      120822
      It requires corrective action


      SCLx6 + select last LE per shuffle
      “The universe is not short on wake-up calls. We’re just quick to hit the snooze button.” -
      Elephant - The United Nations - Theist mischief making - Desynchronized - r = aeθ cot b

      AP= Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that. “The Atheist Infiltration Squad”
      [One Five Eight Seven = 190]

      [190]
      [It Is Our Nature
      Invite the Bee to Land
      Use Your Freedom
      Shine Your Light
      Wishful Thinking
      The Number Forty
      An identified reality
      Open your chakras
      Trust Issues
      Epigenetic Memories
      Hard-nosed skeptics
      One Five Eight Seven]

      William: Epigenetic relating to or arising from
      Line Entry on today's SCL is;
      1587. "The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are"

      RSP = SCLx1 Pages 93 28 74

      05:43 [= 222]
      [222]
      Snap Out Of It Already!
      The House of Culture
      The Mother and The Father
      Start where you are
      The Enigma Code Chamber Of Self

      Page 93
      GM: Mendacious [not telling the truth; lying.]
      Inculcated [instil/teach (an idea, attitude, or habit) by persistent instruction.]
      Redefinition
      "Gateway
      Luminous"
      Raphael ~

      William: Re Christianity;
      The New Testament names only two archangels or angels, Michael and Gabriel (Luke 1:9–26; Jude 1:9; Revelation 12:7), but Raphael, because of his association with healing, became identified with the unnamed angel of John 5:1–4 who periodically stirred the pool of Bethesda "[a]nd he that went down first into the pond after the motion of the water was made whole of whatsoever infirmity he lay under".[31] The Catholic Church accordingly links Raphael with Michael and Gabriel as saints whose intercession can be sought through prayer {SOURCE}
      GM: Expression
      "We stood side by side while the veils did hide the faces of children now grown"
      Only
      "Peace! We are invited to the feast! Inside my heart delights at the action I must take Lest I forget the taming of the beast within Lest I forget the heart that aches!"
      [It is not about what is written, but rather - why it is about what was written]
      Dequeue [remove an item of data awaiting processing from a queue of such items.]
      "You are a dream gone real You’ve got exactly what it takes to make an old wound heal You tied the knot - then you let it slip Now we both know what it feels like to find a place to fit"
      A measured step
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...82379#p1082379
      Guitar

      William: The links leads to an earlier interaction between JK and I.
      Since then [Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:36 pm] we have reached a place which appears to be mutual respect even that our positions on The Question [do we exist within a creation?] are not the same. JK believes that human consciousness emerged from the brain while I think that human Consciousness is an aspect of a "Cosmic Mind" which uses human forms as Avatars in order to cultivate personalities - game players...[re simulation theory].
      This, from a more recent interaction [Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:56 am]
      William: I simply add it to the information I already have [re the idea we exist within a creation and The Cosmic Mind] - which you admit you have no ability to debunk.

      JK: I do preciate you respect me enough to just put your data "out there" without excuses or such.

      I can't refute the video either.

      William: Thus, I have no compulsion to think that the mundane view anyone might have about the information, is reason enough for me to drop this concept as a valueless pursuit unworthy of further investigation.

      JK: Your contributions're NEVER valueless to me. As I can't refute the video, it's further indication you're onto something.
      William: I think my efforts are being monitored and evaluated and are non-debunkable...or at least have not been debunked as yet.
      I wouldn't even know how to go about debunking this GM system.
      It works every time I use it, no matter how random I attempt to make it.

      Also - your referencing my songs is to remind me that I have been practicing this interaction with You for a long time now [relatively speaking]

      GM: Ontology [the branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being. a set of concepts and categories in a subject area or domain that shows their properties and the relations between them.]
      "Self-Awareness
      Stuff Happens"

      William: Self-Awareness Stuff Happens = 298
      [298]
      Sometimes Yeah the Naysayer
      It is always a warm fuzzy
      Limitations or Liberations
      Self-Awareness Stuff Happens

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84361#p1084361

      William: From the link;
      Things of the mind are transposed into nature and therein effect natural outcomes. That is the only natural manner in which the invisible becomes visible.
      The mind [things of] is always within "the realm of the invisible" however, - as is evident - such still 'belongs with the visible' because the visible acknowledges that the realm of the invisible exists and is functioning within the realm of the visible.

      If - at any stage of The Game a god-being emerges from the invisible into the visible, we can examine the event scientifically.

      Until then, there is no event to examine...but there are still events of the mind to examine...and Cosmic Mind is not off the table just because it is largely invisible as any object other than nature itself...
      GM: It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something
      Christianity - a political device created for a specific purpose
      "I love you
      Like Every Seed That Followed"

      William: I love you Like Every Seed That Followed = 410
      A drop of consciousness in an ocean of tears = 410


      GM: Word2Number Calculator
      "I’ve travelled on these southern roads They’ve taken me to many answers to my questions
      Improve"

      William: I’ve travelled on these southern roads They’ve taken me to many answers to my questions Improve" = 1049
      Any God-Mind claiming to be responsible for human beings existing, is going to have problems to deal with re that = 1049


      GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ekH2gnqPY8 [Random Time Stamp [41:07]]

      William: Plotting geometric lines on the Globe [re Earth] re positions of evidence of ancient lost civilizations

      GM: Kinship
      Hide This
      Ship Shape
      Read/Book/Story
      Ultimate Expression
      Embarrass
      Theism hasn't lasted this long based upon the idea that while one does not know, one will believe anyway
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83996#p1083996



      William: From the link;
      Atheist: I'd say that the explanations about providing evidence of 'God' also applies to the provision of evidence of a god, Intelligent Creator or Cosmic mind. Specifically that the god, Creator or Cosmic mind has not been refuted as terminally as Biblegod and perhaps a few others.

      William: Those are theist concepts of course - and specific to religious belief systems. As such, they don't answer the question "Do we exist within a creation?" and simply assume that we do, and go about telling us what the creator of said creation 'is'.

      Kind of cart before horse stuff...

      Atheist: "what proof could possibly be presented which is not material/natural." None

      William: Since this is the case,, why would anyone make that a condition? Why ask to be provided with something which one knows cannot currently be produced?
      Page 28
      GM: Father Wound

      William: I have the scars of such...

      GM: Self-limitation

      William: Father Wound Self-limitation = 299
      [299]
      Related phrases to The Subject
      Twenty Seven Kilometres
      Tied To The Moon Mindfulness
      Father Wound Self-limitation

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...85629#p1085629

      William: From the link;
      William: A display of intelligence is, in and of itself, not necessarily any better than learning how to connect with intuition specifically and the mind constructively.
      Its uses are primarily to do with working out the physical aspects of human experience, but even in working those things out, use of the knowledge and power gained through intelligence does not guarantee any better outcome than religiosity has delivered.

      Knowing this, even intuitively, allowed me to invest my intelligence over and above theistic and atheistic positions.

      One key observation made was to acknowledge that giving up theistic religiosity didn't necessitate in my therefore having to change to atheism. What I have observed since, is that the tendency for folk to give up the theist or atheist position and jumping to the other side is the result of them not using their intelligence to see that those were not the only options/choices available to them.

      I am unsure/undecided as to whether this is a tactic employed by both sides in order to support the illusion that both sides are relevant, with the one side [take your pick] being 'most relevant' - or whether it is a simply oversight [re intelligence] on the part of both sides that they are unable to acknowledge the relevancy of not taking sides.

      Perhaps not understanding the other side is a reflection of not understanding ones own side, be that theism or atheism.

      As I said - there appear to be different levels of intelligence...I was not implying by that, that those levels are restricted to atheist/theist positions...with the atheists being 'the most' intelligent.

      My intuition tells me it is not really the intelligence volume [how much or how little] but how the intelligence is used, which determines outcomes and in either case, theist or atheist based intelligence has not proved the one is better than the other but seems to be showing that neither have a great history of healthy tells to show.
      GM: Stand up!
      Reborn
      Sophia The Mother Story
      Express yourself
      Bodhisattva
      Like playing Rush

      William: Rush is a Facebook game I play...a way to spend 5 minutes doing nothing particularly engaging...


      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...85644#p1085644
      Self-help

      William: From the link;
      Theist: If you threw a six sided dice for an hour but 5 never, ever, ever came up, could we describe the outcome of the throwing as random?

      JK: Yes. In a random environment such a condition can occur.

      William: Therefore I can conclude that since this would never happen, I must exist within a non-random environment.

      One can stretch out the timeline infinitely and say that the five-side will never show no matter how many times the dice is thrown.

      In that, we can conclude we exist within a random environment, if I am understanding your reasoning here...

      Sure - we have to expect that the five-side WILL show up at some point, because 'odds are' but it is not the throw of the die which decides for us whether we exist within a random mindless environment. It is our inability to correctly predict the outcome of each throw which has us falsely concluding therefore, that we must exist within a random mindless thing.

      However, that inability to predict with accuracy doesn't prove randomness [or mindlessness] actually exists as a fundamental aspect of the physical universe.
      GM: "Be transparent
      Respect yourself
      Self-respect
      The Mother and The Father"

      William: Be transparent Respect yourself Self-respect The Mother and The Father = 710
      It is a confident walk on the even surface of sureness, without the faith. = 710

      GM: "Red Pill
      Crystal
      Blue Pill
      Real
      Be real"

      William: Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real = 342
      [342]
      Do Not Linger Upon The Path Of Faith
      Mathematics - invented or discovered
      That'll Be The Day Tracks In The Snow
      Blunt the edge off that particular blade...
      Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real


      GM: Self-development
      Mindfulness
      It is what it is
      Transformation
      The Sister
      Wish fulfillment
      The Son
      True Self
      Dream Guides
      Hidden riches
      Journey to wholeness
      Be grateful to everyone
      Wild freedom
      "Meditation
      Buddha
      Dig deep
      Raise your frequency"


      William: Meditation Buddha Dig deep Raise your frequency = 445
      [445]
      Overseeing Director of Operations on Earth
      My advice to the reader is to follow the links
      Meditation Buddha Dig deep Raise your frequency


      GM: The way of knowledge
      Tao [is the natural order of the universe whose character one's intuition must discern to realize the potential for individual wisdom, as conceived in the context of East Asian philosophy, East Asian religions, or any other philosophy or religion that aligns to this principle.]
      Multiverse
      Freeing the soul

      07:02 [The Fine Tuning Argument]

      TBC...

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