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      290822 [Incongruous]

      SCLx14 + select last LE per shuffle

      Preamble
      If it aint broke don't fix it - Thermodynamics - Self Awareness - Superior Credibility - The Corporate Elite - Disrupting the boundaries - The Three Crystal Keys - It Is Written - Contentious - Paradise - Still - That's More Like It - Ooky Spooky Inner critic - Talk to The Razor

      AP= Meeting an Extraterrestrial Before The Beginning

      [Meeting an Extraterrestrial Before The Beginning =466]

      [466]
      [Humans were designed to have god consciousness
      When I look at my art I am looking into a mirror
      Discovery is finding something that exists.
      Wisdom is evident in The Universe existing]

      RSP = SCLx4 Page 329

      07:01 [Personal Integrity]

      Page 329
      GM: Divergence - separate from another route and go in a different direction.
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81284#p1081284

      William: FTL;
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b005iHf8Z3g

      This - of course - is also a material view of the immaterial concept of Infinite Regression [all ways] and thus not the fallacy it is so often portrayed to being.
      Therefore, not only has Infinite Regression being shown to be possible, [in contradiction to the OP claim] but this in itself - most clearly - does not signify that GOD mustn't exist.
      GM: Interpretation is secondary to the process
      Gateway Luminous
      [A Light-Hearted Expletive]
      Nokia Bell Labs
      Put That On The List

      William: Re communication...

      GM: Peace
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88353#p1088353

      William: FTL;


      GM: Consciousness Incarnates The Metaphysical Universe Oneirology The Confusion of War Get Comfortable Permanent
      Cats

      William: Re "The Driven"...


      GM: Astral As busy as a bee
      Poor Intransigence People [refusal to change one's views or to agree about something.]
      Having To Learn a Whole Other Language

      William: Either now or having to in the next level...

      GM: For whom the bell tolls For to gather the souls The numbers in darkness are glowing
      "What Is Found Here
      Always Vigilant"

      William: What Is Found Here Always Vigilant = 351
      [351]
      Unity with our Collective Self
      People hide their sins from each other.
      Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
      Nature being the very instigator


      GM: "Physics Breakthrough as AI Successfully Controls Plasma in Nuclear Fusion Experiment"

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to Miles in post #129]

      No mention of "limbs" in Genesis 3:14 whatsoever. Moreover:
      The implication is clearly there in that the Garden God is attributed in Genesis 3:14 with punishing the Serpent with a curse which makes the serpent a belly-crawler.
      You appear to be arguing that it was always a belly-crawler, which is not following the storyline, and therefore your argument cannot be accepted as valid.

      ser·pent
      /ˈsərpənt/

      noun: serpent; plural noun: serpents
      1. literary a large snake.
      source: Oxford Languages Dictionary
      ___________________

      Genesis 3:14
      So the Lord God said to the snake, “You did this very bad thing, so bad things will happen to you. It will be worse for you than for any other animal. You must crawl on your belly and eat dust all the days of your life.

      Snakes don't have legs.
      Nor do they speak human languages.

      I would caution anyone not to accept that because nowadays 'Serpent' means 'snake' [according to some dictionaries] that this means one can rightfully manipulate the story to align with the modern day meaning of the word.

      The word used in the garden story was "Serpent" and what it is described as prior to the Gods curse upon it - is definitely NOT a snake.
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70229#p1070229
      The ability of foresight helps one to think through the desires of ones heart through logic-based filters.
      "Howdy!
      The Butterfly Effect Music to my ears Lean into it"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80088#p1080088

      William: FTL;
      Quote Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER post_id=1080082 time=1654028366 user_id=15510
      Quote Originally Posted by William post_id=1080064 time=1654021316 user_id=8427
      Quote Originally Posted by William post_id=1079959 time=1653937244 user_id=8427
      [Replying to Diogenes in post #4]

      Because we actually ARE, and are not God, therefore this impossibly omniscient/omnipontent God can not exist.
      It appears that here, you are relying upon an image of GOD which we can agree comes through the particular culture you and I came through experience of.

      I see also that you have included the factor of all-powerfulness too.

      Critique of this image has merit, but no merit if the critique is simply focused on GOD not existing.

      Diogenes: For this Biblical 'God' to think is to create.
      Thus it could be argued that we are within and experiencing the thoughts of GOD and what we experience and call "reality" is actually GOD thinking thoughts.

      Diogenes: Because we actually ARE, and are not God, therefore this impossibly omniscient/omnipontent God can not exist.
      Unless we are actually GOD, in which case GOD can exist.

      Biblically this idea of "The Breath of GOD" equates to GOD-Consciousness giving life to the imagined forms and thus experiencing those form from those forms particular subjective places in the overall thoughts of GOD.

      This concept also bleeds over into the Eastern Culture of Humanity - many of which already stipulate GOD inseparable from Creation...although it could also be said that Creation is inseparable from GOD.

      An all-powerful GODs thoughts could create this Universe...

      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...79719#p1079719
      Quote Originally Posted by TRANSPONDER post_id=1079983 time=1653946320 user_id=15510
      That does actually resonate with me. The thing is, that everything appears to be near nothing arranged in working order. Some say this is arranged and ordered by a Cosmic Mind, and others say that it IS the Cosmic Mind. Either is possible.
      If I am understanding you correctly, it seems to me that there is no necessity to separate the activity of a Cosmic Mind from the Cosmic Mind.
      If it was outside of everything, there would be reason to see it as separate from its' activity.
      Logically - since the Cosmic Mind is part of 'everything', to separate it from everything else would go against logic...therefore it is better to keep it as a part of everything...

      If it WAS everything , then its' mind and its' activity would be the same.
      Which follows the logic. Not only is it part of everything, it is the reason everything exists - so it would be more accurate to define "everything else" as part of it and in doing so - remove the 'else' bit...the Cosmic Mind and stuff...



      But to topic...the idea of it creating because of a terror of being alone, is a terrible terror.
      However, creating humans seems like getting an ant farm to cure loneliness. Still, that might be enough.
      Speculation at best - it anthropomorphizes human emotion and superimposes that into the reason why a Cosmic Mind would think the universe into existence...One cannot ever be alone as long as one has ones self.

      Forgetting oneself in order to bypass the static structure of being all-knowing, by creating form and occupying oneself within said form, having designed said form to limit conscious awareness of everything...being the ants rather than the all-knowing...such forms would be useful to that purpose.
      GM: The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything
      "Shamed"

      William: That is an aspect of atheist expression - to try and shame the idea of Creation/Creator

      GM: Expression Of Appreciation
      The way Mathematics underlies Physics
      Jesus Christ Big
      The wheel weaves as the wheel wills
      "Look Closely
      Talk
      George Adamski
      Insidious Clumsy"

      William: Look Closely Talk George Adamski Insidious Clumsy = 515
      Driven by emotional attachment to contrary beliefs. = 515


      GM: Map Carvers
      Be Free
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...77939#p1077939

      William:FTL;
      Quote Originally Posted by Thomas123 post_id=1015424 time=1592312361 user_id=14520
      This word appears to be at the centre of many discussions on this forum. It also appears to mean different things to different people and, therein lies the root of our miscommunication. What range and definement do you attribute to, ' consciousness ' ?

      Is there an external consciousness in the world?. Can I tune into a shared consciousness. I am listening to Prime Minister's Question Time, ....is Boris tuned into a universal human consciousness as he delivers his address. Is his brain working ,simultaneously and in tandem with my own consciousness and with that of others?
      It is complex.

      The way I have come to understand the complexity of the involvement of Consciousness within the Experiential Reality Sets [ERS] has to do with those Sets and how they are experienced, and this forms many layers of Consciousness, all of which are connected to The Source Consciousness, {SC}, some of which are unaware to various degrees, that this is the case.

      Diagraphically, this transposes as;



      Superimposed color signifies the layers of awareness individuate consciousness is involved with in the Sets
      GM: "Truthful definitions
      Ask And It Will Be Given"

      William: Ask And It Will Be Given Truthful definitions = 449
      [449]
      To assist with strengthening the connect
      I see Teddy Naysayer has projection issues.
      No longer howled at by the Hounds of Judgement

      GM: Is there a way in which one can test the hypothesis and in doing so, elevate it to an accepted theory?
      Free Choice Ends Here
      Here Am I Is Where I Ought Examining My Conscious Thought
      Narcissism
      Provide
      Nothing comes from nothing - everything which can be seen to have a beginning comes from something.
      Assumption
      Sounds
      One Day
      For The Best Results

      07:29 [Humanities adventure
      What is the meaning of life?
      Central To The Vision
      Smarter Than the Average
      Mystic City Suburb
      Think outside the box
      The Shared List Awesome
      Faulty conclusions
      God is Consciousness]

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      300822 [Joke/Humour "Anti theism Equals "And?""]

      SCLx16 + select last LE per shuffle

      Preamble
      Inside the workings of intelligence - Perceived Obsolescence - The House Of Politics - Reality - Making The Best of a Bad Situation - Universe of Wholeness - Life in Heaven, Guiding Us On Earth - I am open to being corrected - Personal freedom - Can a transistor with its simple function relating input to output be conscious? how about two? or hundred? - Out and about in the open - Here-and-now - How to Bruise a Ghost - Comment - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88476#p1088476 - Rules - Central Intelligence Agency

      FTL;
      William: From the link;
      William: A display of intelligence is, in and of itself, not necessarily any better than learning how to connect with intuition specifically and the mind constructively.
      Its uses are primarily to do with working out the physical aspects of human experience, but even in working those things out, use of the knowledge and power gained through intelligence does not guarantee any better outcome than religiosity has delivered.

      Knowing this, even intuitively, allowed me to invest my intelligence over and above theistic and atheistic positions.

      One key observation made was to acknowledge that giving up theistic religiosity didn't necessitate in my therefore having to change to atheism. What I have observed since, is that the tendency for folk to give up the theist or atheist position and jumping to the other side is the result of them not using their intelligence to see that those were not the only options/choices available to them.

      I am unsure/undecided as to whether this is a tactic employed by both sides in order to support the illusion that both sides are relevant, with the one side [take your pick] being 'most relevant' - or whether it is a simply oversight [re intelligence] on the part of both sides that they are unable to acknowledge the relevancy of not taking sides.

      Perhaps not understanding the other side is a reflection of not understanding ones own side, be that theism or atheism.

      As I said - there appear to be different levels of intelligence...I was not implying by that, that those levels are restricted to atheist/theist positions...with the atheists being 'the most' intelligent.

      My intuition tells me it is not really the intelligence volume [how much or how little] but how the intelligence is used, which determines outcomes and in either case, theist or atheist based intelligence has not proved the one is better than the other but seems to be showing that neither have a great history of healthy tells to show.
      AP = [Fear-Based Thinking Ensures You Get To Know It = 474]

      [474]
      [The outward expression of an inward reality.
      I do have something substantial to work with.
      The self arranging is a flag signifying mindfulness.]

      RSP = SCLx4 Page 349

      TIME [ ]
      Page 349
      GM: Creation Of A New Universe
      Apparent Contradictions in Relation to Biblical Beliefs
      Far-Flung
      Little Bird
      Those internal things which make one shine
      Let Go
      “Stop trying to feel better; instead become better at feeling”
      Arrival
      Training the mind
      Access
      Superior Credibility
      I Know William
      As an answer, "don't know' is incomplete...
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81691#p1081691

      William: FTL;

      Atheist: Bias is nothing to do with agnosticism (in the sense of not knowing).

      William:We agree.
      The position [Agnosticism] is helpful [to the agnostic] in remaining unbiased re all information pertaining to The Question and not forming beliefs based upon hypotheticals.

      In that regard, it is a more reasonable position than either Theism or Atheism, as bias has much to do with those positions.

      Atheist: It is everything to do with the assessment of evidence.

      William: Disagree. Form the position of Agnosticism, the assessment of evidence by agnostics, does not require the individual place any importance on parts of the evidence over other parts of the evidence.
      If any bias is present re the position, it is the bias toward treating all information equally.

      Atheist: Reason of course takes account of bias which is why we should argue both sides and let people decide.

      William: Agnosticism is a position where one portion of the people have decided that there is not enough information to make a decisive call either way.

      [As a position, Agnosticism is also a 'side' and it is not the correct term to use "both sides" - implying that Atheism and Theism are somehow 'real' as 'sides' but Agnosticism is 'imaginary' as a 'side'...

      "Do we exist within a creation?" One side says 'yes' another side says 'no' and yet another side say's 'more information is required before any definitive answer can reasonably be given'.

      Atheist: Your 'information' is irrelevant.

      William: All information is relevant to the Agnostic position. That is what Agnostics work with. [ftfy]

      I think you are referring to information which is not relevant to the position you support?
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...74143#p1074143

      William: FTL;
      One version of the story has it that the non-theist just went on and on making senseless proclamations, until finally the breath left his body, and that the theist who claimed to know GOD, simply ignored the non-theist, as if the non-theists protestations where non-sensible and thus unable to be answered sensibly.
      GM: Significant
      Under the breath words
      Multiverse
      In the moment
      Antecedent [a thing that existed before or logically precedes another.]
      Incarnation [a person who embodies in the flesh a deity, spirit, or quality.]
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76792#p1076792

      William: FTL;
      Vibration
      Purpose - Vibration - Objectives - "We can chart another trail - Raise the anchor fill the sails Lift our glasses in a toast - We are the Ghost - In the Machine" - Telling the future - Vibration - Where life and death is part of a circle and everything is part of the Ouroboros - Expectant - "The Script Must Be Followed"
      Every Conceivable Detail - Vibration - Light Encoded Reality Matrix
      Dark - Vibration - The Minds Eye
      We are not orphaned , we are authored - Vibration - Warm Presence Welcome
      GM: In the Order of Chaos - I am lowly-ranked
      Hop skip and jump any way the wind blows
      Asking Politely
      Coming closer to ourselves
      Numbers
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70528#p1070528

      William:
      Please demonstrate that your communications with 'It' are not just self-delusion.
      Please demonstrate that it is just self-delusion. If you cannot do so, then your argument therein can be viewed as simply unsupported opinion and thus, invalid speculation, which can be shoved back into whatever hole it came from...
      So, basically your 'evidence' to support that all you contend is true consists of asking for evidence that demonstrates that it is not true.
      I continue to provide evidence for those interested.
      My comment - obviously enough I thought - had to do with your implying self-delusion. Do you have any evidence that I am self deluded?
      Apparently not - as you responded with more woo-slinging

      As I wrote...invalid speculation can be shoved back into whatever hole it came from...please desist with such tactic as it adds nothing to the communication process re honest argument.
      GM: Action Consciousness Incarnates Intelligent Directions The Mainstream Program Story-Tellers Trustworthy
      The Next World
      The World Wide Web
      Actual realistic communication
      'everybody wants to rule the world'
      Being Born
      Aligning With
      Heart Teachers
      Living our forefather's conflict
      Less understood and less acknowledged
      Signs
      Pleasantries extended to you and yours.
      International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - The Seed of Origin

      William: FTL;

      Atheist: So you're not content to live without purpose. You're certainly not alone there. But whatever you feel the universe ought to provide, the universe is under no obligation to provide it.

      William: We cannot make such statements and call them true, unless there is evidence they are true.

      Atheist: You can argue (and some do it with style) why the universe ought to have a purpose, and you can argue (and some even do it in verse) how belief in that purpose has made your life better.

      William: Just as we can do the opposite. Just as we can match and mingle. Are our maps accurate or are we 'content' to go along with 'whatever'?

      Atheist: And who knows, you might even be right. Maybe you'll start penetrating the secret of the universe, and the universe will feel a warm prickle in its vast ethereal sensorium and somewhere its unfathomable enormous heart will beat faster with the knowledge that that at last someone has understood at least a little piece of it. And then you'll die and the universe will, of course, go on forever and ever, whether there are people in it or not, and if there is a purpose to it, it will probably happen alone.

      William: That may be its purpose. And like it, my body might die, but my consciousness might life on. Regardless of what contrary beliefs I may hold on that subject.

      Atheist: Me, I'll settle for the "'Mendacious human Hyper-normalised social systems" we actually know we live in,

      William: aka "better the devil you know"

      Atheist: and try in my measly and insufficient way, if not to make them better, at least no worse,

      William: Look at the map. There is only one fate for "'Mendacious human Hyper-normalised social systems" and that is "for worse".
      Let us not lie to ourselves and each other about that. "Aye".

      Atheist: And yes, I think the universe is without purpose, but here I am anyway, having a nice ride now that I've grown up and stopped worrying about it. If your eyes are always glued to the map you miss the scenery.

      William: True that, and if the map our eyes are glued to is showing us no purpose, even our lying to ourself and each other that what we do within the suppressive "'Mendacious human Hyper-normalised social systems" can somehow give us purpose, is still missing the scenery.

      Our purpose might not actually be to create space-junk but rather to focus attention and redirect the intelligence of those many great intellects toward investing their smarts into fixing the many problems that their reaching for the stars have perpetuated,

      Can we less intelligent/more numerous folk convince those making the expensive space junk, they can simply be happy with the space ship we are already sailing along with...and find ways in which to make that into something worth having purpose in?

      So which 'map' are we each reading and which 'scenery' are we missing as a consequence?



      GM: Personal
      A machine for solving problems
      What matters most
      How to Bruise a Ghost
      The non-Judgmental Algorithm
      Heaven
      Confident
      Allowed
      Proven

      08:00
      [The Gist of The Message
      You are not wrong
      The Law of Attraction
      Active Galactic Nucleus
      You Interrupted
      YHWH made it imperfect
      Provincial Thinking
      The Alien Disc crop circle
      Show Your Soul]

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      How To Bruise a Ghost.

      The evening is warm and the night sky full of stars. A crescent moon peeks above the Twelve Judges Mountain Range as Father and Son sit opposite one another, being warmed by the same fire.
      William places another log on the fire and watches as a flurry of sparks ascend from the disturbance caused – he takes a sip of tea and listens as Father resumes speaking.

      Manu Iti: All stories start with "Once Upon a Time"

      William: Even the story of The Beginning?

      Manu Iti: You know this to be true William, for every story could not have been told, if The Story of The Beginning hadn't happened.

      William: Am I old enough to be told that story?

      Manu Iti chuckles.

      Manu Iti: Of course you are, My Son.

      William: Thank You, My Father!

      Manu Iti: I will begin first with the Earth, not because She was the very first thing in The Beginning, but because - in order to understand The Beginning we have to first understand our part in the story - our place in the scheme of All That Is.


      William: And that begins with Earth Mother...

      Manu Iti: Indeed.
      The Mother was born of a vaster thing - our Grand-Mother - and we shall get to Grand-Mother in due course.
      The Mother was placed within The Earth by Grand-Mother and became the mind of the planet. When this happened, Mother was a Child Herself - a new thing placed within the form of the planet, while at the same time, a part of The Ancient Mind of Grand-Mother...

      William: How is that even possible, Father?

      Manu Iti: It is possible through the power of forgetting.

      The Ancient Mind of Grand-Mother spawned a thought in the form of a spark of light and placed it inside the middle of a dark and lifeless form, and in doing so, gave the form - Life.
      In that action, the Earth became a living planet. She also became a new conscious entity...a being with a beginning, because the action of placing Her into a planet, erased all knowledge of ever having a prior existence as The Grand Mother.

      William: Did The Grand Mother know this would happen?

      Manu Iti: Yes. The Grand Mother new that this would continue for a time. The Grand Mother knew that Her Daughter would be orphaned by that lack of knowledge and this would result in a new Being which could operate successfully without having to have that knowledge - and that one day, The Daughter would come to know of The Grand Mother and reconnect...

      William: Is that a good thing to do with a Child?

      Manu Iti: Yes. It is how a Child becomes a Sovereign Entity. It is not done this way with Human Children - but there are elements of the process which do - naturally - occur to each of us.

      William: Like - how we cannot recall anything but darkness, before we became aware of our existence?

      Manu Iti: Yes.
      __________________

      310822 [It is a Product of Fragmentation]

      SCLx13 + select last LE per shuffle

      Preamble
      Precise definitions of strategies - Masks - Father Wound Self-limitation - Moldavite - The King of The North - A Sturdy Place - In a non-deterministic world, one would expect true randomness to exist. - No point in giving you too much to bear - https://theagnosticforum.com/threads....344/post-1794 - International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - The Seed of Origin - Nevertheless - 'If only' it wasn't in the too hard basket....which fortunately it actually isn't. - Indeed. It happens. Deal with it. Work it.

      AP= Meaningful Stay The Course
      [Stay The Course - Meaningful = 281]

      [281]
      [Developed a thick sceptical skin
      The Double Slit Experiment
      The malleus, incus, and stapes
      Light Encoded Reality Matrix
      Stay The Course – Meaningful
      Collective Consciousness]

      RSP = SCLx1 Page 319

      07:31 [William Waterstone]

      Page 319

      GM: The truth of objective reality as experienced subjectively.
      Invisible Bridge
      In an environment which is able to perceive this.
      Create Your Own Spirit Ship
      I Suppose That It Is Possible
      Tributary Zones
      The Solar System
      Swords [Random Tarot]

      William: Nine of Swords
      The Nine of Swords shows a woman sitting up in her bed with her head in her hands. She appears to have been jolted awake from a terrible nightmare that has left her disturbed, scared and anxious. Nine swords hang on the dark wall behind her, representing the negative thoughts that weigh heavily on her mind. The base of the woman’s bed features a carving of one person defeating another, and roses and the outlines of astrological symbols adorn the quilt wrapped around her.
      GM: OOBE
      Embarrassment
      The Third Eye
      "I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me."
      "The Hologram of Deception
      The Mainstream Program"

      William: The Hologram of Deception The Mainstream Program = 468
      [468]
      Such can mislead one on long and painful journeys
      To Know or Not to Know – That is the Answer


      GM: ""Down came the waters -great the monsoon - washing the soul as it cleared out the room Drowning all Warriors in every platoon"
      William"

      William: William: "Down came the waters -great the monsoon - washing the soul as it cleared out the room Drowning all Warriors in every platoon" = 1334
      “The "science of materialism" isn't a thing. There is but science. Whatever science has wrought, it is the result of human's use or misuse of it.” = 1334

      GM: "The Master ColdFire Trick
      What is behind the VR headset
      False Accusations"

      William: The Master ColdFire Trick What is behind the VR headset False Accusations = 667
      [667]
      Therein, the universe is shaped mindfully rather than mindlessly
      Dark matter is unto light as pretence is to truth... transparent.
      True randomness does not exist In The Spirit These Were Given


      GM: Embrace a completely new paradigm
      Far-Flung
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87237#p1087237

      William: FTL;
      Quote Originally Posted by William post_id=1087237 time=1659449568 user_id=8427
      [Replying to theophile in post #62]

      I enjoyed your post theophile.

      What you are describing is also known as the Ouroboros ... the fine balance of staying alive while consuming aspects of yourself.

      The Earth does this, and it is how a foothold in spacetime was established by consciousness.

      In some circles it is referred to as "Survival" or even "Survival of the Fittest" and involves a commitment to giving 'life' [consciousness] every chance to make it - to stay alive in this universe and reap the rewards available in that process.

      In terms of the difference between the life-spans of Humans and The Universe - sacrifice is forced upon each of us while death remains a constant...our bodies die and feed the planet one way or another - consciousness is passed on through reproduction - the design being a type of self-replication process which enables this to occur...the knowledge is saved through a collective type consciousness which carries said knowledge on into predictable-enough futures where it helps the overall purpose instilled within the programming of the Human Specie - to Survive.

      Destructive elements surface within the collective consciousness bent upon controlling the direction this program will move into the future. Anything too suppressive will choke the life out of it, which works against the Survival instinct and is therefore resisted, even to the point of using drones to deal with those who seek to dominate the Species using such suppression techniques - "Nature" won't allow that because the point of consciously expanding into Cosmos would be curtailed - and such threat must be dealt to and "Nature" is more than capable of doing so.

      Epochs make this process seem long and drawn out - but that is also known as "Grace" - which means that suppressive elements are tolerated to any degree in which they do not threaten the primary - overall - agenda of "Nature" to send out consciousness into the Cosmos.

      Once the threat is real, the Grace is withdrawn and those against, perish. Collateral damage is acceptable to those who die in the crossfire, because "death" is not "the end."....
      GM: The Sensation Is Thrilling...And Freeing
      GodMagic
      Expansiveness
      State Of Being
      Endemic [regularly found among particular people or in a certain area.]
      A Space Without A Time...
      The House Of Politics
      Love and respect
      Waking
      Love & Respect

      William: Love and respect Waking Love & Respect = 364
      [364]
      The debate between theists and atheists
      ...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...
      Exact Science In The Light Of The Truth

      GM: Cautiously
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...89784#p1089784

      William: FTL;
      Quote Originally Posted by William post_id=1089784 time=1661397843 user_id=8427
      GM: Unconditional Love
      Stochastic [having a random probability distribution or pattern that may be analysed statistically but may not be predicted precisely.]
      Everything is The Expression Of The Creator [The Freedom Of Friendship]
      Even As An Elemental Principle
      The Mother and The Father
      Religious beliefs are a many-barbed growth wishing to own the rights on the mind behind creation

      Handing out sweets...

      William: Religious beliefs are a many-barbed growth wishing to own the rights on the mind behind creation...Puppets handing out sweets = 1210
      One Two One Zero = 190
      [190]
      Trust Issues
      One Two One Zero
      One Five Eight Seven
      Open your chakras
      Talk to The Razor
      Shine Your Light
      An identified reality
      Hard-nosed skeptics
      Given the second-fiddle.
      Epigenetic [relating to or arising from] Memories
      It Is Our Nature
      Wishful Thinking
      Invite the Bee to Land
      Use Your Freedom
      The Number Forty

      GM: That Is The Equal Ground To Which Rational Communion Is Birthed
      Preparation

      William: Preparation Everything is The Expression Of The Creator [The Freedom Of Friendship] Even As An Elemental Principle The Mother and The Father That Is The Equal Ground To Which Rational Communion Is Birthed = 1957
      One Nine Five Seven = 183
      [183]
      The problem of evil
      Truthfulness
      Fling That Veil Aside
      One Nine Five Seven
      Sister Saturn
      The Gospel of Judas
      Cosmic Pluralism
      Elemental Powers
      The Hubble Telescope
      The brain as a receiver
      Transformation
      One Two Eight Nine
      Team Witch-Wizard
      Manifest Destiny
      Hydrogen and helium
      Planned obsolescence
      Embracing your life
      Test The Waters
      Learn to trust
      Children of The Light

      William: "Team Witch Wizard" Earth and Sol...


      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84218#p1084218

      William: FTL;
      otseng: I mentioned before we cannot impose our modern standards on the Bible. Likewise, we shouldn't impose our modern view of cosmology on others and look down on how earlier cultures viewed the cosmos. As CS Lewis termed it, that would be chronological snobbery.

      Finding out how ancient cultures view the heavens is a fairly large topic. In fact, it's an entire discipline in itself.

      [Replying to otseng in post #1103]

      I think this ties in with modern knowledge re the way things were said can be aligned with the way things have since proven to be.

      Even in modern times, there is tendency to describe things from the subjective center of consciousness...from which all else flows around about.

      Even that we do not know if consciousness has such a center - the only thing matching the concept, is the Self.

      But what is the Self, that we dare proclaim it the center of everything?

      If we call it "GOD" we blaspheme, for there is only One GOD and you and I are not IT, according to the teachings of...



      Is there a center to every object in this universe?

      Give thanks to the Lord, for he is good;
      his love endures forever.
      Let Israel say:
      His love endures forever.”
      Let the house of Aaron say:
      “His love endures forever.”
      Let those who fear the Lord say:
      “His love endures forever.”
      When hard pressed, I cried to the Lord;
      he brought me into a spacious place.
      The Lord is with me; I will not be afraid.
      What can mere mortals do to me?
      The Lord is with me; he is my helper.
      I look in triumph on my enemies.
      It is better to take refuge in the Lord
      than to trust in humans.
      It is better to take refuge in the Lord
      than to trust in princes.
      GM: Trust issues?
      Watchful
      Dysfunctional [not operating normally or properly. unable to deal adequately with normal social relations.]
      Ectogenesis [(chiefly in science fiction) the development of embryos in artificial conditions outside the uterus.]


      08:04 [ Superior Credibility
      Blue yellow black green red
      Zero Eight Zero Four
      There is good out there
      Where is the devil today?
      Quantum Entanglement
      The Visitation Event]

      [Replying to William in post #330]

      GM: "The Master ColdFire Trick
      What is behind the VR headset
      False Accusations"


      After spending a portion of my Quiet Time communing with Wiremu at King Frog Pond, I sit back for a time contemplating what I learned from the interaction, before making my way back up the path and into the main Encampment.

      The light of the fire beckons as I approach.

      I immediately move to The Whole and retrieve from within it, a small booklet which I place in the folds of my garments, and then find my place beside the fire.

      Beyond the Twelve Judges Mountain Range, the light from The Realm of Judgement appears to have dimmed a little.

      I help myself to a mug of tea, and set a flame to my pipe, which I had stoked with 'erb much earlier and then neglected to smoke at the time.
      As I settle back, I hear the call of The Ruru, and reply to Her greeting.


      I awaken at the call of The Ruru. As the sleep falls from my eyes I raise to one elbow and look towards the fire. I eventually make out that Manu Iti has returned from his trip and is back at the fire. I rouse myself, making my way towards the fire, stumbling a few times over roots or rocks. I think back to the first time I approached the fire with Manu Iti and smile. I hope he has had a peaceful retreat. I have enjoyed the time alone with The Tanager and the world around me, but I welcome his return.

      Callum: Why hello, my friend. It's good to see you again. I hope your journey went well.

      Suddenly I hear Callum's voice welcoming me back from my time away. I look to the direction of the sound and smile.

      Mani Iti: Greetings Callum! I was not sure that you were still here with us, but I am heartily glad that you decided to remain!

      I take a swig of tea, smacking my lips together in exaggerated sounds of pleasure.

      Mani Iti: My 'journey' - if it can be called such - was down The Garden Path to King Frog Pond....a stones throw away!

      It wasn't as adventurous as a Coddiwomple, but was certainly very revealing and helpful for that! Thank you for asking!


      I see a bright movement of light from the direction of the path to the Bridge of Forgiveness...quickly making its way up Hub Mound toward us.

      Mani Iti: And yourself dear Callum? Did you enjoy our book!
      It is amazing how many pages can quickly unfold with discussions on The Deep and Meaningful. Quite the Story-Makers!


      Manu Iti greets me. I smile back, then stretch and try to stifle a yawn.

      Callum: I had a good time. I'm not even sure how much time passed, but it does not seem like it was much. Then again, King Frog Pond seems further away to me than to you, so who knows with this world. I enjoyed reading the book. It may have even helped me to sleep a few nights...but don't worry, that was when I was reading my own words.

      I chuckle at Callum's sense of humor, as I watch the flickering blue-green light rapidly approaching our position.

      Manu Iti: Yes - I too enjoyed reading our Book of The First Act...

      As I finish my sentence, the source of the light takes the shape of a small - perhaps foot-high - stick figure, engulfed in fire and leaving small evenly spaced flames behind where his feet had touched the grassy space between the Mystic Forest and the Encampment.

      Manu Iti: Well look who we have here! Master ColdFire!

      The small stick-man tips his pretend hat and waves as he circles the campfire before giving a high pitched long whistle and then suddenly jumping into it.

      Immediately, the campfire changes from a golden-yellow red-tinged color, into the same blue-green flaming colors which had engulfed Master ColdFire.


      Manu Iti: Well Now! We won't be having to put any more branches on our fire while he's in there Callum!

      I laugh at the joyful spectacle just witnessed. I love this place!

      A strange flaming figure joins us as Manu Iti is talking. He says it is Master Coldfire. I wave to him as he circles the fire and then he jumps in. The display of colors is dazzling. Manu Iti implies that this will keep the fire going without us needing to add fuel.

      Callum: I wish he had come earlier. I got a few splinters from all the firewood I collected while you were away.

      I look at my hands, but that initial thought quickly goes away.

      Callum: That's a lie, actually. I found collecting wood quite peaceful. Hard work is much better for the soul (and body, for that matter) than lazing around.

      As Callum finishes his words about The Soul, an horrendous tortured scream of terror comes from within the fire, and suddenly the flames turn blood-red - filling the whole site with a gruesome dark light.

      Manu Iti: Oops.
      It seems that your words have brought Judgement upon Master Coldfire and he is paying the ultimate price for his carelessness!


      Master ColdFire's screaming continues, but appears now to be coming from every direction around us, rather than from the fire itself.
      The whole scene has changed in an instant, into something reminiscent of some horrendous hellscape.
      I shout above the commotion...


      Manu Iti: IF YOU CAN FIND YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS - FLEE!!!

      With that, I am gone, as I turn and run in what I think is the direction of King Frog Pond...

      Immediately after talking about the peacefulness of collecting wood a blood-curdling scream emits from the fire, which changes to a blood-red color, trying to eat up the light around us into darkness. Manu Iti believes that my words have had something to do with this and that Master ColdFire was acting carelessly. I'm not sure why that is the case, but Manu Iti knows this world better than I.

      Then Manu Iti seems to be experiencing a change of scenery before him, although it looks the same as it was to my eyes. Manu Iti yells to flee, although I'm unsure of whether he talks to me or Master ColdFire or both. After collecting myself, I start to move towards the fire to try and pluck Master ColdFire from its torment. I succeed in pulling the little Master from the fire and the screaming stops. He smiles at me. There is a rush of sound in the distance, however. I wonder whether it is some waterfall that I had not heard before, for it sounds a bit like that, but at times the sound hints of screams. Perhaps that is simply an echo in my head, from the previous screams. Master Coldfire sits beside me, picking up leaves that slowly disintegrate in his stick hand.

      I look around with no sight of Manu Iti. I wonder what caused his fear. I thought he had creative powers over this world. Perhaps William has the creative power and he is evil? Or perhaps there is still some good that this could bring? But Manu Iti also seemed to talk about there being no good and evil. I look back at the little Master.


      Callum: I guess it is just us, Master ColdFire.

      Master ColdFire and myself laugh with the joy of it all! We assumed that Callum would have fled, but as we performed our wonderful phantasmagorical trick, we noticed a small burning branch levitating from out of the campfire and hover over to where Callum seats himself, and quickly realize that Callum must have thought to rescue Master ColdFire from the flames and thinks that he has done so.

      The still burning branch settles onto the wooden planking which serves as seating around most of the campfire...then I hear Callum say "I guess it is just us, Master ColdFire."

      Master Coldfire then floats up above the fire - holding his pretend belly, as he doubles over with unconstrained mirth, his stick frame shaking with the intensity of it, little green-blue flames dancing off of him in the process, and floating their way out to merge with the StarScape.

      I wonder why The Tanager has not informed Callum that he cannot control Wiremu's Characters and further wonder if I should inform Callum myself or just let him work it out from the evidence.

      But mostly I am well pleased that Callum is learning to understand how this place works in relation to ones imaginative creativity, and am happy I did not have to send The Ruru after him, with a note saying "It was just a trick! Please come back!"

      I go to take another swig of tea but quickly decide against it as another round of giggles echo up from my belly, exit my mouth and are flung out into The Hub of Hologram Dimensions.

      I catch Penny Tupence observing the event and see that She too has cracked a smile...Life Is Goodness...


      {SOURCE}

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      Tricks and Trades

      I suppose that it is the 'tricks' which have to be addressed because the illusions can induce anger in the personality which acts as a preventative for getting to know the 'tricksters'...from my own 'getting to know' I have discovered that the 'tricks' are not really 'tricks' so much as they are a product of how a personality interprets their experience.

      The Visitation is one such example. I - as the personality experiencing the event - took issue and told the visitor to leave.
      The visitor did leave, but not without first instilling within me - questions regarding my perceptions. Questions which have taken 30+years to come to answer.

      The personality I am now, is not the same as it was way back when. Now I see the 'trick' was really just truth to which I was not expecting because I had little knowledge of such truth - way back when...

      Sweet Talk
      Observant
      Eternity
      Dare greatly
      Henotheism [adherence to one particular god out of several, especially by a family, tribe, or other group.]
      Respecting
      Without
      Map Carvers
      Way Back When...
      Illuminate
      Keep an Eye On
      Way Back When...
      WindBlown

      What happened is that I incorporated that visitation experience with all the rest and all that were to follow...developing a relationship which can also be reflected through this Message Generating Process.

      It is really taking the journaling of my life experience, and using that to my advantage in light of the "Bigger Mind"...


      ____________________________________
      010922 [Ghost In The Machine]

      SCLx5 + select last LE per shuffle

      Preamble
      Yam [Yes, I Am] - Attention to Detail - Tales From Topographic Oceans - "We will just have to go with the implication then, until some way is discovered where the universe allows for us to see otherwise..." - "Until"

      AP= Hint Symbols = 156]

      [Symbols Hint = 156]
      [156]
      Super power
      Monoatomic Gold
      Let there be light
      Stroke of luck
      Thirty Three
      Mother Wound
      Pearl of wisdom
      The next step
      The Sea of Crisis
      Amour Propre [a sense of one's own worth; self-respect.]
      Intrinsicism [This means that an object can be good or bad without reference to who it is good or bad for, and without reference to the reason it is good or bad. ]
      Symbols Hint
      It is a shadow-man
      Nine Seven Eight
      Incongruous

      RSP = SCLx4 Page 320

      07:44 [The soul eats experience]

      Page 320
      GM: "The Purpose Of Life Is...
      A fish out of water"

      William: To keep trying to breath "until"...
      A fish out of water: "The Purpose Of Life Is..." = 411
      [411]
      No point in giving you too much to bear
      Teddy Naysayer has projection issues.


      GM: First Source:
      Creator Influence Syndrome
      Planned obsolescence

      William: Things can go on forever as long as they change along the way...
      First Source: Creator Influence Syndrome Planned obsolescence = 618
      "I think it was an ambush or surprise attack" - Aye...A name I call myself. = 618


      GM: It took twenty years of work to make it look easy
      Either the creative force is one of intelligence or it isn't.
      Things can go on forever as long as they change along the way...
      Enlighten you
      We don’t yet have the ability to communally respond in the best interests of the planet,
      Rules
      The space Jacko lantern

      William:

      GM: Evidential
      Altruistic Behaviour
      Transactional

      William: Evidential Altruistic Behaviour Transactional = 481

      [481]
      I see this as evidence for there being a mind behind creation.
      Would you agree with this assessment, so far?

      GM: If In Doubt Let It Sit
      Genius
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...69680#p1069680

      William: FTL;
      William: Yes - Change ones anger-energy into something more useful...

      GM: Husband
      The journey is the destination
      A type of 'leg-up' but no more or less than that
      Trenchant
      Do a Word Search
      Talk

      William: trenchant = vigorous or incisive in expression or style.
      Talk = speak in order to give information or express ideas or feelings; converse or communicate by spoken words.
      have formal dealings or discussions; negotiate.
      communication by spoken words; conversation or discussion.
      formal discussions or negotiations over a period.

      GM: I come from a dark place ...it is so dark I can't even remember it
      "May The Spirit of The Earth Bless You"
      Thanatophobic [an intense fear of death or dying]
      Empower The Inner Empire
      The Mind Behind Creation
      Stay The Course

      William: It takes time, because of the complexities involved. Perhaps the Thanatophobic aspect is the fear that one will return to the dark place one came from?

      GM: The Generated Messages
      VVilliam
      William: Yes - everything is a generated message and in that, what is projected outwards from the center of the personality, is what is reflected back to the personality, from the perceived "outside".

      GM:Life is scary then you die of it... is that really living?
      Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.
      Concision [is a writing principle of eliminating redundancy.]
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...35328#p1035328

      William: FTL;
      Quote Originally Posted by DrNoGods post_id=1035307 time=1616691210 user_id=13410
      [Replying to We_Are_VENOM in post #62]

      I don't know what consciousness is. But I know what it isn't; physical. And it doesn't take a neuroscientist (pun intended) to know where I am going from here...
      But is consciousness the manifestation of physical elements in the brain working together to create it? I don't think anyone would argue against consciousness itself being not physical, but why would you think it is not an emergent property of a working brain? Sure seems to work that way (and I'm not a neuroscientist ... but how else do you explain it?).
      My thoughts on this are that is seems more logical to go with consciousness not being an emergent property of working brains because this implies that the material can create the immaterial, which seems to be unnatural [goes against] in regard to how nature creates. Nature creates using what is materially available. Why would it first [or at all] need to create something immaterial to then be enabled do this?

      Thus it seems more logical to accept that the immaterial created the material and placed itself within that material in order to then further shape that material in ways which would help it to create through that material [such as working brains]. First making the basics and then getting into the details.
      GM: Is OOBE like 'coming up for air'

      William: and like a fish out of water re its strangeness - fearful, yes. But not in the sense of trying to breath to live - gasping at the incredulity of it

      GM: Windows of opportunity (WoO)
      Your Own Individual Actions
      The World has a Spiritual Design
      How shallow is the reach of YHWH
      The dynamics of consciousness
      Gasping at the incredulity of it

      William:

      GM: Ask and It Will Be Given
      The Story Continues - The Flow Is On
      Semiotics [the study of signs and symbols and their use or interpretation.]
      Annus horribilis

      William: One Nine Nine Two = 176
      [176]
      The World Wide Web
      What the seed holds
      Okay - facts are great.
      I am on a Madventure
      Relaxed and informal...
      One Nine Nine Two
      The Deeper Reality
      What Is Found Here
      The Vast UICDevice
      Hiding behind ones fear
      You are neutral
      The Cave of Origins

      GM: The blurry line of the neutral zone
      The Dark Night of The Soul
      Communication Techniques
      Mothership
      Nature
      Formatrix [She who forms]

      William: Mothership Nature Formatrix = 334
      [334]
      The Smallest Spark can start a fire
      Against the grain Beaming Out Beaming In
      I can't imagine it in my head visually
      Couldn’t we do something about it...
      Mothership Nature Formatrix
      You Know or You Don't know

      GM: Jocular [fond of or characterized by joking; humorous or playful.]
      Telling the future
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70048#p1070048

      William: FTL;
      "Any God-Mind claiming to be responsible for human beings existing, is going to have problems to deal with re that"
      GM: Miracles
      Smarter Than the Average
      Conception
      Keep me in The Loop
      Amidst a tangled web
      Addiction
      A Mathematical Theory of Communication Fearless
      Ever-changing
      Those internal things which make one shine
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73457#p1073457

      William: FTL:
      GM: A programmed reality that is not real
      Better The Devil You Know
      Contain
      Preternatural

      William: Yes. Both "God" and "Devil" are imaged as "beyond what is normal or natural." because things of the universe are deemed "Good" or "Evil" depending upon personal preferences - preferences which are muddied from the go-get...
      The more natural observation re the universe is that it is neither good or evil.
      Therefore, in order to deconstruct these pernicious views, we have to see them for what they are rather than imagine them to be 'this or that' as the premise based in ideas pertaining to "good and evil"

      GM: The Fare On The Table
      Wonder
      Through Device
      The Deep and Meaningful
      The top tiny twelve
      The Machinery
      Random coincidence? I think not.
      What Do You Like About It?
      The Human Interface
      It is Found Within The Experience of Self
      Uncertainty Principle
      A cultural touchstone
      "If you can find your way out of this - flee!!!"
      Stroke of luck

      William: "Stroke of luck" being used in the tongue in cheek fashion...I daresay, that those who have the least shame about being human, are enabled to contribute better things into the human paradigm.

      There is 'where' to 'flee' exactly? Out there is the great cosmos? That is a cultural reaction to fleeing the overall shame humanity dumps upon itself and the destruction it causes.
      The alternative space programs - while a product of this self-loathing disguised as superiority complex - {in the early days re Nazi-history} - blossomed into a thing of beauty re human achievement and ability and as a possibly means of escaping that majority shame-based phenomena which appears intent on wiping itself off the face of the universe...on the one hand, scientists are not above creating the weapons the masses can use to achieve this thing the masses appear to want to achieve...while on the other hand are they seeking ways in which to preserve the things the masses wish to destroy...

      Of course, these two polarities don't make for an ideal base in which to launce our stuff out into the greater cosmos ...but "beggars can't be chooses" as the saying goes.

      "If Only" the great minds of today could come up with an alternative plan which sees both the masses and the space programs benefitting unashamedly, a better overall thing could be accomplished...
      GM: Penetrate
      As Well As That
      Children of The Light
      Glad One Asked
      All and sundry
      The Human Brain
      Move On
      Integrate

      William: Integrate The Human Brain Move On = 317
      [317]
      The World has a Spiritual Design
      The dynamics of consciousness
      Gasping at the incredulity of it
      Windows of opportunity (WoO)
      Your Own Individual Actions
      Integrate The Human Brain Move On
      How shallow is the reach of YHWH

      08:39
      [The Alien Disc crop circle
      YHWH made it imperfect
      The Law of Attraction
      The Gist of The Message
      Provincial Thinking
      Show Your Soul
      You Interrupted
      You are not wrong
      Active Galactic Nucleus]

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      As I listen to Callums continued questioning, I am distracted by a sudden movement to my left. An oval portal has opened 3 foot above the ground and the face of a beautiful young woman appears in the opening.
      We have a visitor from another dimension. The woman appears to be surveying the situation and is apparently unaware - or perhaps unconcerned - that I can see her.

      As I am observing this Unknown Visitor I begin to hear a voice speaking in my head. I cannot be sure that it is sourced from the Unknown Visitor but since it coincides with Her appearance, I conclude that it most likely is...


      Unknown Visitor: Visible We Are Answer In an environment which is able to perceive this.

      Turning back toward Callum's position I continue to listen to his questioning, finding it interesting that he tends to ask more questions than he appears willing to answer, perhaps because he is curious, or perhaps because it is a way of deflecting...or maybe a mix of both...then as I am thinking on this, he ends his reply to me by mentioning my questions to him and asking me to repeat any which he might have let slip by...

      The Ruru: Sharing Your Love Without Comparison Save That Guilt Trip Short Straw Matrix

      The Ruru is being specific to Wiremu's Universe - how its prison population tend to act towards one another in separatism and judgement.
      Is it any wonder that their ideas of GOD amount to similar attitudes...


      The Ruru: Forgive Intent
      Mathematics It May Seem Insignificant


      Once again I use my Word2Number calculator for the word-string "It May Seem Insignificant" and find others related to it...
      "Intuitive Intelligence"
      "What Is Our Purpose?"
      "The Wisdom of Foresight"


      Manu Iti: I think that maybe 'information overload' comes with its own distractions, eh Callum?

      I am still interested in hearing Callum's answer to what I have pointed out re the apparent weakness of logic of belief that The Mother can create things from no thing. I wonder if there is any point in moving on to the wider implications until this has been sorted, as it is from that initial point where we branch into differing directions...I think we need to agree to the same tree, before examining its branches...

      The Ruru: Visible Get To Know It Final Destination Eternal Watcher Inalienable

      Manu Iti: I get where you are coming from in your deductions regarding The Mother and the Middle, and agree with them.
      We might say then, that we share agreement, but we don't because you have something of a wall to climb over in relation to that "problem of evil"...however, your "a" and "b" seem slightly at odds but perhaps not...can you clarify why you can include in 'b' the notion that The Creator has an option as to whether 'evil' touches or does not touch The Creator.

      The main reason I ask is because if a Creator creates beings from a 'nothing' which is not from itself, and sets those beings within an environment - presumably also created from the same 'nothing' - and expects those beings to not express 'evil' but to 'be like its Creator' and to judge them on that and reward or punish accordingly
      - not that you have mentioned any specific fates which can be dished out -

      ...my questions naturally have to be...

      "Why do you see evil in my version and Love in your own? Where exactly is that Love visible?"


      The Ruru: Carrier Identity Learn How to Deactivate The Suppression Matrix

      That reminds me of The Ghost in The Machine...

      The Ruru: Show Entity Do Something About It Do It For Yourself

      Manu Iti: As to your concerns about the temporal perspectives not changing what is actual or not, you still have yet to understand The Mothers perspective enough to appreciate that there is no "or not". There is only the actual.

      That is why I mentioned that being in the middle of The Story is not a great place in which to make any verdicts from.


      The Ruru: Can You Imagine...The Law Occupy Unity with our Collective Self...

      I ponder what The Ruru just spoke to me. I know that Wiremu has imagined such a thing...it is perhaps why this place exists as it does...{SOURCE}
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      020922 [Now that nut is cracked, what next?]



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      Preamble
      Music to my ears - Angelic Agenda - Dreamed Up By Yours Truly - Propagated - Golden nugget - Confirmation which moves one from faith to fact - I have no reason not to trust that the thought was backed with good intentions. - - Any Other Way. - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJukJiNEl4o [RTS 57:11] - Hacking through the subconscious

      William: My [everyone's] conscious experience also exists outside of spacetime.

      AP= The Purple Heart medal
      Awake Relationship Unity [Clean]
      Believe You Me
      In The Night Sky
      Able To
      Here Everything All Real Together
      Long Time Gone
      Welcome all experience
      There is no need to proclaim a supernatural event to what is simply an idea put into action.
      "Zero" must have to represent something which does exist but is largely unseen - and "Consciousness" fits that description.
      Taking root
      Spiritual Connection
      Ensures You Get To Know It
      [= 4422]

      [Four Four Two Two = 236]
      [236]
      Soul Carrier Memories
      Universal Intelligence
      I am open to being corrected
      Strength is required
      Copper wire and glass beads
      One's Thoughts I Will
      Cyborg Anthropology
      Shallow Enlightenment

      RSP = SCLx4 Page 344

      04:13 [The Undiscovered Self]

      Page 344
      GM: “If you're looking for something more in life, you're likely to find it in something less.”
      Internet
      Peace
      The Electron
      Kindness
      Bandages of The Beast
      Significant Variations
      Creativity
      Have A Look At This And See What You Come Up With
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yp60yUb6nYo

      William: FTL;
      There are so many uses for Gentle Rain such as Focus, Study, Concentrate, Working, Block Sounds, Block Noises, Meditation, Prayer, Thinking, Mindfulness, Verpasna, Calm, Relax, Peace, Quiet Mind,
      Works for me when there are building noises in the hood and I want to sleep

      GM: How shallow is the reach of YHWH

      William: YHWH can do both the deep and the shallow...

      GM: Spiritual Awakening
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpKoT9AgSJo [RTS 11:30]

      William: FTL;
      491,148 views Jul 11, 2022 According to research on galaxies and other large-scale formations, there are
      many mysteries in the cosmos that are just being discovered by scientists. .
      Most of these mysteries require new physics theories to help us understand
      them. For example, we need to understand why gravity is so much weaker
      than the other forces, as well as what happened before and during the big
      bang and many other unanswered phenomena.
      We've been able to address some of our questions thanks to the
      advancements in technology. And CERN has consistently been at the
      forefront of this. Incredibly, the CERN team of scientists has just uncovered a
      breakthrough discovery that alters the course of history! What did they find,
      and how might it answer our questions about the cosmos?

      GM: Animistic [the belief that objects, places, and creatures all possess a distinct spiritual essence.]
      Entities of Particular Belief Systems
      The bright spark illuminating the darkness

      William: Entities of Particular Belief Systems The bright spark illuminating the darkness = 827
      Earth teachers (physical and non-physical) unite humanity to the Sovereign Integral = 827


      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87714#p1087714

      William: FTL;
      William: You create whatever experience you will have in the next phase based upon the type of personality you shaped your self into during this one.


      Theist: What you described is not Biblical, and we're discussing the Bible here. You are throwing oranges in my basket of apples.

      William:Why would you argue that? Is there a coherent description about this in the Bible that you can point us to, showing clearly that you are correct?

      What does your basket of apples say about how we will experience the next phase? How does the doctrine of salvation in the Bible differ from my description?
      GM: Gasping at the incredulity of it
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81121#p1081121

      William: FTL;
      Theist: I do truly think YHWH represents the first truly invisible God.

      William:What gives you that understanding?

      Theist: Other gods are mute idols - they always have a physical manifestation that people can look at.

      William:Have you been told this ... or do you have it - in your own subjective experience - that the invisible God YHWH - speaks to you?

      Because, if it is the former, then YHWH is a "mute, invisible god" who 'speaks' to you through others. If those others report to you that they have seen the invisible, then they are reporting that YHWH is not truly an invisible God.

      If it is the latter, then how do you ascertain that the invisible voice of YHWH is the actual voice of the "first truly invisible God"?
      William: Ah yes...as I commented to Joey yesterday -

      William: Ones "cowardly button pushing 'invisible' tormentor" [isn't really invisible if one can hear him] is besides the point given the testimony of one Eleanor Longden who tells it at the end of her talk - how she tamed the beast through an alliance...which worked out well in her favor.
      Hearing voices, therefore, does not amount to a great argument for "the brain did it" apologists.
      Which of course, is a change from when I wrote "the invisible voice of YHWH", as a voice heard is a visible voice....

      GM: Appreciating
      How to Bruise a Ghost

      William: Appreciating How to Bruise a Ghost = 344
      Incidentally - today's number...and page number selected...
      "Now that nut is cracked, what next?" = 344
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...75987#p1075987

      GM:
      https://www.sciencealert.com/physics...WQBjxYtubUUPSo

      William: FTL;
      Physics Breakthrough as AI Successfully Controls Plasma in Nuclear Fusion Experiment:
      After its training window, the AI moved to the next level – applying in the real world what it had learned in the simulator.
      GM:https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87649#p1087649

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to Diogenes in post #245]

      It is easy to see how the concept of the soul arose before we had any idea of how the brain worked and that physical things like trauma and drug use affected our consciousness
      Whoa ! Steady on with the placement of the cart here Diogenes.

      A brain soaked in Consciousness is one thing, but follyish to then assume from that, that trauma and drugs "affect our consciousness" when clearly what is being affected is the brain.
      It is the brain which is affected and consciousness is wide awake along for the ride.

      "Physical things" are just how Human Brains "see" things, and Human Brains don't just look like this;



      But more to the actual point, they look like this;



      Since Humans and Drugs converged, wherever one is on the Face of the Planet, one has astoundingly similar experiences and those experiences have to do with why theistic beliefs manifested in the early epoch of Human Development...because Human consciousnesses under the influence of drugs which reduced the brains capacity to control 'what one sees' what one see's is done so in the most coherently vividly lucid manner which bypasses any damaged circuitry of the whole brain. Human Brain-Consciousness is undamaged and thus experiences everything in living colour and what is experienced is reported and added to the list of evidence re 'Things of The Mind.

      [=276]
      Human Brain-Consciousness
      Redefinition of the human being
      All things created are of the mind
      All spun from the same Yarn
      Conformal Cyclic Cosmology

      The focus on the Brain needs to be of secondary importance to the focus on the Consciousness using the brain, otherwise it is 'brain before consciousness/cart before horse follysee...
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83062#p1083062

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to Athetotheist in post #1]

      The god-claim of the antichrist being fundamentally incompatible with so many beliefs, who would be left for the antichrist to fool?
      I think the story itself is fundamentally flawed and in order for it to have been made real, the incidences re prophecy should have all occurred before the advent of the Industrial epoch.

      Since it did not [in any obvious way] eventuate, it is highly unlikely to do so because such an event would now be understood - not only in relation to the Industrial epoch, but even more so, in relation to the Technological epoch.

      Since the rapid human advancement in knowledge of our universe, such an event cannot be seen as some type of finishing stages of warfare between mythological theist-based characters superimposing themselves into human affairs [mostly via fiction] since so much is known about related subjects such as the possibility of Extraterrestrials and the advancement of understanding the idea of Simulated Reality Experiences through human technology...those two alone cancel out any possible biblical incarnation of The Second Coming from actually happening, as woke folk add it up and declare the event as most likely a mix of both extraterrestrial intervention and holograms.

      Any declaration made by the beings about their "GOD" - status, would therefore be quite intelligently questionable.

      This is not to say that such a thing couldn't still be done. But why would it be done? To sort out the woke folk from the gullible lead?

      Why not simply stay in the background and watch how humanity handles itself?

      "For the sake of the elect of GOD?"

      Why would the EoG care for their own safety that they would pray "Enough! Sweet Jesus return!"?

      And since when have the innocents being spared the pain and horror wrought on them by the way those who have the power to do so, have done so - with not one GOD-being intervening already to cease those atrocities?

      Perhaps the atheist might declare "See! GOD is Dead!", based upon such evidence. Perhaps they do so because the alternative [Extraterrestrials mostly letting things unfold as they are without obvious interference] is too much to bear?

      Morality based ideals are the stuff of quagmires...as PK has oft enough pointed out...

      We no longer know what the future might bring, even using science based guesses. What we are waking up to, is that we also know that guessing using religious mythology is not science.

      Truth is, we never did know what the future might bring, which is why so many of those guesses were fundamentally incorrect.

      We best accept that we will either work it all out for ourselves, or we will die [as a species] not trying...

      This is known and accepted by those who are using their lives in order to at least try and preserve the human specie, that it may one day fly more willfully among the stars.

      Biologic answers are on the way out, while machine answers come marching in...
      GM: Harmony
      Close
      Discussing the data

      William: Discussing the data Harmony Close = 331
      ...and the way forward, eyes wide open = 331


      GM: Sacral chakra [thought to govern how you experience sexuality, creative expression, emotions, and more]
      Once Upon a Time
      Puerility [juvenile. Childish. Silly]
      Central to The Message
      Down through the ages - dark in the gloom Many convinced it will all end in doom The Galactic Garden is forever in bloom

      William: Down through the ages - dark in the gloom Many convinced it will all end in doom The Galactic Garden is forever in bloom Central to The Message = 1260
      [One Two Six Zero = 208]
      [208]
      The Purple Heart medal
      Above most pay grades
      Imaginative Realities
      Human Accomplishment
      Gods of Human Creation
      Leaders and Followers
      Personal Boundaries
      Theist mischief making
      We Groove Together
      Healing the child within
      The Explanatory Gap
      Right place, right time

      GM: Unite humanity with a living new language One Day
      Dream Cake
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80964#p1080964

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #87]

      Rather, he can be either, depending upon personal refection. If one thinks YVHV is a demon, one will eventually encounter that aspect one believes YVHV to being.

      Biblically speaking, this seems to run through the script.

      Generally speaking, the branch of theism known as Gnosticism regards YVHV as the demiurge...a false creator-God who has deceived the world and suppressed humankind into servitude...so - in that sense Gnosticism regards YVHV more the 'demon' entity than a true representation of GOD.
      Which is just to say, Yahwey is imaginary.
      Maybe - maybe not. I have seen no particular evidence either way.
      That's odd, because to every single test you can make, Yahweh is indistinguishable from the imaginary.
      It is no more 'odd' than threads asking for answers to imaginary questions...
      But to many they aren't imaginary questions or, rather questions about imaginary claims. After all, even Sci Fi and fantasy has to make sense, even if it has magic or advanced technology that looks like it.
      Yes. So again I say re YHVH - maybe the Character is imaginary, maybe not. I have seen no particular evidence either way and therefore answer questions to do with YHWH, along those lines.

      Indeed, if the stories of YHWH were fictional - or loosely based upon an actual person - possible questions and answers can still be given, conclusions drawn and opinions offered.
      GM: Without
      Existence
      Time To Go

      William: Time To Go Without Existence = 324
      [324]
      Sharing is part of that process
      So the ends meet the river's son
      Panpsychist Science Can Be Fun Too
      Once Upon a Time "Lordy! Do I Have To?"
      Time To Go Without Existence
      Pattern Recognition System
      Illuminate Imaginative Realities
      Exhibit your innermost core
      The Atheist Infiltration Squad

      GM: Here-and-now
      Be it a "God" or a "Devil".
      Integrating Integrity
      What Is Normal

      William: What Is Normal Here-and-now Be it a "God" or a "Devil". Integrating Integrity = 660
      [Six Six Zero = 168]
      [168]
      Giving our best
      Atheism and Theism
      Read/Book/Story
      James (WingMakers)
      Confirmation bias
      False Accusations
      Ozone therapy
      Faster Than Light
      Even The Shadows

      GM: Shuffle List
      As one does from time to time...

      William: As one does from time to time...Shuffle List = 415
      [415]
      What Are Your Thoughts On The Subject?
      July Nineteen Fifty Two Washington DC
      Love & Respect Musing On The Mother Act III

      GM: "Zero" does not actually represent "nothing" because "nothing" does not exist and so cannot be represented.

      04:59 [Healing the child within
      We Groove Together
      Theist mischief making
      Personal Boundaries
      The Purple Heart medal
      Imaginative Realities
      Right place, right time
      Human Accomplishment
      Above most pay grades
      Leaders and Followers
      The Explanatory Gap
      Gods of Human Creation]

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      NDEs and visions of Jesus.


      William: From the perspective of Simulation Theory;
      Jesus can be seen by the NDEer however the experiencer expects to see Jesus as he/she interacts with the algorithm.

      Individuals having such an experience can do so simultaneously [if their NDEs happened at the same time] because the algorithm responds to each individual separately.

      That would explain otherwise apparent contradictions.


      Atheist: You'll have to clarify; it sounded as though you were implying that conditions at a particular time would make for Jesus looking the same, though what that would be is not made clear, nor that this appears to contradict the idea that the Jesus they see is based on their expectations, which I'd assume would depend on what religious pictures they'd seen.

      This apparently selective 'algorithm' produces a Jesus people at the same time both see. Which implies that it should look the same.

      But clearly that isn't what you say, which is that people at the same time have different Jesuses appear, which you'd expect to happen if there was no 'algorithm' and they were just imagining their own Jesus without any cosmic help. So this neither explains nor clarifies nor amounts to anything other than a claim of a cosmic algorithm that doesn't do anything useful or needful and thus there isn't the slightest evidence for it.


      William: Atheists start threads about subjects *they have done very little research and ask questions which show *that to be the case.
      Also in this case, the atheist shows that there has been little effort made in actually reading what I wrote
      ---------.

      [under the breath words]

      030922 [Blunt the edge off that particular blade...]



      SCLx9+ select last LE per shuffle

      Preamble
      Brow Chakra - Endemic [regularly found among particular people or in a certain area.] - Throwing Down The Gauntlet - Calculate the English language - Smarter - Enjoy Progress - The Brain Is Trained To recognize Patterns - For whom the bell tolls For to gather the souls The numbers in darkness are glowing - Information Field

      AP= The wheel of time Lodestones
      [The wheel of time Lodestones=282]

      [282]
      [The Fathers 'House - Mansions'
      As we shall speak to differ also
      The Power Of...Yes, I Hear You
      This Should Be Interesting
      Just Be…All Else Will Follow
      The wheel of time Lodestones
      Aligning With Act the giddy goat]

      Lodestone - a person or thing that is the focus of attention or attraction. a naturally magnetized mineral; magnetite.
      a naturally magnetized piece of the mineral magnetite. They are naturally occurring magnets, which can attract iron. The property of magnetism was first discovered in antiquity through lodestones.


      RSP = SCLx4 Page: 342

      06:49 [ Sensing A Life Mission]


      Page: 342
      GM: Core value
      The Eigengrau Mind Screen
      It is neither good nor evil

      William: Core value The Eigengrau Mind Screen It is neither good nor evil = 598

      I am reminded of a post I made yesterday;
      Evil thoughts?

      Theist: Is it evil, or wrong, for someone to fantasize about molesting children if he never acts on it?

      William: Given what we understand of DNA et al - things which were once socially accepted - taken for granted - done without guilt - which are then considered to be evil by a more modern society which has connected the dots and discovered therein that the act of abusing children has social consequences primarily in the negative - this works against the society advancing and is thus seen as a threat which requires dealing to.

      Thinking about [fantasize about] molesting children may be a throwback connection to those former actions we can inherit but if they are not recognized as such and dealt with accordingly, the chances one will eventually be dissatisfied with mere fantasy and proceed to actualizing will significantly increase and the results will not be easy to deal with for either the victim nor the victimizer.

      One may not be able to stop the birds flying overhead, but one is able to stop them nesting in ones hair.
      William: [Five Nine Eight=133]
      [133]
      Preparation
      Eternal Loop
      Simulation
      Construct
      Mysteries
      Everything
      Don’t give up
      Future Self
      Aligning With
      Breaking bad habits
      Turbulent
      Productive
      Source Heart



      GM: Contradiction feeds the fires of discontentment.
      Thoughts Are Products Of...
      Pseudepigraphical
      The Electroweak Era
      Encouraging
      The Science of Spirituality

      William: The Electroweak Era Encouraging The Science of Spirituality = 580
      Work With Me Through Device Syncretism Eyes Wide Open = 580

      This reminds me of the idea of consciousness first engaging with the simulation - being a being within the simulation is engaging with the science of spirituality in that one becoming aware of self is the 'spiritual' aspect in relation to the science re 'what is being experienced'.

      GM: What things are unrelated?
      Personal Participation With The One
      Chaos Really Is Illusion

      William: What things are unrelated? Chaos Really Is Illusion - Personal Participation With The One = 889
      [Eight Eight Nine = 140]

      Yes - before The One became The Many - all The One could interact with - was The Self of The One.
      The One did not 'see' chaos therein, and proceeded to get creative within the creation.

      [140]
      Fizzle Out
      Personal Genie
      Interesting
      A Perfect Event
      Clairvoyant
      Wasting time
      Lift Our Gaze
      Warm Presence
      Keep it simple
      Extravaganza
      Prometheus
      Chamber 4 painting
      Double Standard
      Christmas Day
      Mythology

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...89771#p1089771

      William: FTL;
      Quote Originally Posted by JoeyKnothead post_id=1089763 time=1661376677 user_id=3753
      Quote Originally Posted by William post_id=1089715 time=1661310484 user_id=8427
      ...
      Yet I have never seen that stop an atheist from consistently attempting to use science in their telling of their opinions about gods.
      As an atheist, I'm not above referring to science in support of various claims I, or others, may make.
      I was being specific to statements of opinion, rather than claims.
      For example, a common argument from atheists that there cannot be a Creator-GOD because "Evolution" when it is clear that the theory of evolution offers no evidence that we do not exist within a creation.
      Stuff like that.


      It's just such a good source for confirmatory data. That theists can't, or struggle to refer to science in order to promote their beliefs is their problem, not a problem of scientific principles.
      On the surface this sounds logical.
      However, on the belief that we exist within a creation = "Therefore a Creator-GOD" there has been no science done which provides any of us with the right to premise. ["Therefore a Creator-GOD"]
      Thus, promoting beliefs in ideas of Creator-GODs is cart before the horse stuff.
      However, if one proceeds in a horse before the cart manner, the focus is on the idea that we exist within a creation, we can then look for evidence within the reality experience we call 'The Universe" and see what can be found therein to support the notion that the reality experience is a creation.

      As you know, I'm very intrigued by your Cosmic Mind hypothesis. I want your notion to be true, to be scientifically proven, insofar as how neat I think it would be. I'd love for the scientific community to be able to offer confirmation in this regard. Sadly though, you and I enjoy this notion without such confirmation.
      Thanks for saying so. We share in the intrigue.
      For me, the notion certainly appears to be true re the evidence - even through the Message Generating Process under development - [Today's GM] is certainly understandable enough and deals with this subject in more detail.

      As I understand it, IF there is a "Cosmic Mind" involved with the creation of our Universe, scientists will eventually [naturally] discover this just by continuing to do science.
      In the meantime I do my own science, and am satisfied with the results so far.
      Going off of the readership stats so far, there appears to be a consistent reader-interest where I post the GMs - here, and in other internet forums...

      Granted, where an atheist (or anyone) refers to science and gets it wrong, we oughta all fuss about that.
      My position is that - in the last 24 hours - I have decided that am done with interacting with atheists and being distracted by their statements of opinion re the Question of GOD...except for the exception of JK because you have consistently shown a willingness to remain open minded about the idea of a "Cosmic Mind" and it is undeniable that such a Mind - if it truly exists - could be referred to as a "GOD'.
      In all my years of interacting with atheists, I have never had the pleasure and - like I say - After years of subjection to atheist opinions, I have had enough of it.

      As an amateur, a wanna-be scientist, maybe I rely too much on science in support of my own world view.
      What will you do if/when science discovers that we actually do exist within a creation?

      I submit though, that cracking open the bible ain't the way to fix that.
      That is an irrelevant opinion to me, because - as you know - I am not a Theist or an Atheist because I see no logic in having an opinion on GOD until it can be established that we exist within a creation.

      The closest I come to that, is with the notion that there MAY be a "Cosmic Mind" and if such can be identified in ANY religious script, I am open [of mind] to investigating that.

      Otherwise - since I am not advocating folk need to do that, it is not an issue I have to answer to.

      Thanks for you feedback John.
      GM: “You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose”
      Assigned
      The Bridge of Condemnation

      William: The story of Jean Nouer begins....{SOURCE}

      GM: https://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dr...ml#post2246390


      William: FTL;
      William: I have had similar experience re hypnogogic state ...

      Hearing footfalls on wooden floor {I was sleeping in a bunk in a building and was the only occupant at the time]
      The footfalls stop outside my door - which was open and then I hear a deep laugh.
      I snapped out of it [awoke] and immediately jumped out of bed and went to the doorway - no one was there [of course]

      Some time later - months or even a year of two - I was at home in bed with my wife when I awoke to the same laugh and looking up I saw the entity at the end of the bed.

      My reaction was layered - It was as if my body wanted to climb the walls looking to escape but my mind was clear and focused and I was aware that this part of me was way less afraid. I had the feeling that the entity was pure evil.

      However, while I was directing my anger at the entity, he moved toward my side of the bed - his arms were crossed over his chest area - and as he got closer [he seemed to float rather than walk] he extended his arm out in the process of going to touch me.

      We were looking each other in the eye - and it was at this moment that I somehow just knew that the entity loved me more than I had ever felt anyone love me - and knew me better than I knew myself and the love was purely unconditional


      As with all my hypnogogic experiences, these began with the feeling of being forcibly held down - and when the entity began to reach his arm out to touch me, my anger assisted me in breaking the hold and I sat up and put my face directly in front of his and demanded he leave - and at that moment, I awoke and the entity was gone [or more likely - I could no longer see him.]

      The whole incident took less than a minute.

      The very next night, I [again in hypnogogic state] felt my wrists being taken hold of by a pair of invisible hands and I was lifted from a prone position to an upright one and when upright, I felt my arms being pushed over my chest in the same manner I had observed the entities arms crossed over his chest, the night before.

      Once my arms were crossed, I felt the invisible hands let go of my wrists and it was then that I realized I was not in my body - this was my first conscious OOBE. It felt wonderful....
      GM: Ship Shape
      The Realist:
      Epigenetic Memories
      Interesting
      Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal
      Recommendable
      The simplest explanations for why we are here and what we are doing
      You Are Watched Over
      Stroke of Luck
      Acceptance
      About face
      Jehovah

      William: As the evidence keeps coming, there is little one can do but accept.

      About face Jehovah Acceptance = 214
      [214]
      Reinhard Heydrich's death
      Nazi Space Program Agenda
      The Undiscovered Self
      About face Jehovah Acceptance
      Independent from what?
      'Developing a thick skin'
      Conspiracy theory
      If In Doubt Let It Sit
      Monkey See Monkey Do
      When things fall apart
      Ancient Grey Entity

      GM: F4
      Indestructible

      William:
      We may shift our focus of attention, but our Primary Focus remains Focus 1. This means that it takes a bit of effort to temporarily shift our focus of awareness to other focuses, like F2 or F3 (or F4 if you are really ambitious!). After physical death our Primary Focus will switch to F3 that that will be our 'home focus' while we go through the transition phase which will eventually allow us to make the permanent switch to F4. At this point, F4 will become our Primary Focus once again and the cycle is complete.
      GM: Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
      "On the off-chance A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind"
      We’ve been an island of our own - we’ve been a cosmic rolling stone Now’s the time to spread our wings - and fly!
      Keep An Eye Out for Ones Neighbours
      I think it was an ambush or surprise attack
      An Opportunity To Commune

      William: Got it. The Visitation - The Ancient Grey Entity - The "Ambush" and through that experience - The Communion...
      "I think it was an ambush or surprise attack" = An Opportunity To Commune = 759
      Although there are opposite sides to spectra, all elements combined form a whole = 759


      GM: Interpretation/Feel
      Ingenuity
      As Above So Below
      Conspiracy Emotions.

      William: Conspiracy Emotions. As Above So Below Ingenuity Interpretation/Feel = 725
      [725]
      Interacting with a simulation of the world which is created by your brain
      We know not what we are because what we think we are gets in the way of it all
      We should know already by now that Warfare isn't the way to go about it

      GM: The Way of the Bodhisattva
      To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness
      Happiness
      Somewhere
      Go
      The Played Piece
      Face To Face
      One Free Miracle
      07:32

      {Intelligent Directions
      Loops can be open or closed.
      Searching for the truth
      It Would Be Rude Not to
      Secular Science Projects
      Elementary Conclusion
      Instant Manifestation
      The Human Instrument
      Go Within and Find That Place
      Central intelligence agency ]

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      [Replying to Eddie Ramos in post #44]

      So I wanted to know what exactly dividing was, and looked into other Bible translations

      "correctly handles the word of truth"

      "rightly handling the word of truth."

      "handling the word of truth with precision"

      Interestingly, "exactly dividing" is written as "handling" - an activity.

      One is active with things.

      It is true that the Earth orbits around the Sun.
      If I once thought it true that the Sun orbited the Earth, and was given new information that showed me that the truth was, "The Earth orbits the Sun" and in exactly dividing [handling] that information I examined the new evidence and therein found it to be truthful, I would then be required to let go the old notion I had once believed to be true, and adopt the new.

      That would be an example of exactly dividing.

      Indeed, that is the task of science.

      In the case of "Gods Word" - if I am taught that Gods Word is "The Bible" and at some point am shown evidence supporting the notion that "Gods Word" wasn't referring to the Bible alone, but to every truth about all things/matters [like the Sun and Earth existing together and the relationship of that togetherness...how the relationship operates/functions] then I would be required to let go of the old notion I had once believed to be true, and adopt the new.

      Agreed?

      If someone claimed it to be true that the Bible is "a book like no other because it came from the mouth of God."

      I could examine [exactly dividing] that opinion and see what truth - if any - could be found.

      If someone tells me that "God wrote the Bible to cause confusion to the natural minded man who picks up this book and thinks he can logically understand all the truth it contains", I could examine [exactly dividing] that opinion and see what truth - if any - could be found.

      I could literally do this with all things, not limited to any book or any opinion anyone has about any book, movie, statement, song, food, planet, star... all stuff like that.
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      SCLx9 + select last LE per shuffle
      Matter and psyche are one and the same. - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...85763#p1085763 - Six Heart Virtues - Ah...The Limitation Of Language... - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...85450#p1085450 - Most folk need moderating. - Group Dynamics - Of this Message Generating Process. Induce Research into the Phenomenology of the Self - July Nineteen Fifty Two Washington DC - Human Drama

      AP= Algorithms are not perfect Connections
      [Algorithms are not perfect Connections = 399]

      [399]
      [“If you say so…” No. Even if I did not say so.
      We must investigate ideas of good and evil
      Connor partially loses two fingers
      Algorithms are not perfect Connections
      William’s song "I can laugh along with you"
      There's someone, rainbow, alternate tune]

      RSP = SCLx4 Page 351+P&P

      07:29 [Vigilant What Is Found Here Always ]
      Page 351+P&P
      GM: "Residue
      Ness
      The Cherubim
      Vibration"

      William: Residue Ness The Cherubim Vibration = 360

      [360]
      A projection of one’s subconscious
      Placing aside the childish not the childlike
      Residue Ness The Cherubim Vibration
      Where are we getting our news from?
      The relevant scientific community
      The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are

      GM: I Know William
      Unsuccessful attempt to find something
      Contact
      The Object
      Necromancy
      What Is The Point?

      William: Indeed. Yet if I had not created that path I would not have discovered this or developed it to be a useful device in which to communicate..."If I talk to the 'dead', they must all be living...." Makes sense...now what is it they have to say...is being said.


      GM: Presumed outcome
      Release shame
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76175#p1076175

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to theophile in post #59]

      That is incorrect. Sin and doing good both follow the same extraordinary logic. See Romans 5 where Paul explains this. Verses 18-19 where it gets encapsulated:

      "Just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous."

      You are misusing the concept of original sin.
      On the subject of robots doing good works through being programmed to do so, it can be said that the programmer is the one responsible for the good works of the robots.

      The same would apply the other way around.

      Post#55 makes the claim that animals engage with acts of evil....I do not see this as being the case.

      It is unclear to me that if we follow preset routines / rules with predetermined outcomes, why you would suggest that any good done by such a programmed being would be "coincidence and nothing more", and "insufficient to achieve any sort of ultimate good."

      What is this supposed "ultimate state of good"?

      You wrote;
      I would say that while the system we are in has rules that govern it (e.g., laws of motion), it also has an element of chaos and unpredictability, which therefore necessitates freewill if we want to bring it to an ultimate state of good.
      What if in fact both this supposed "element of chaos and unpredictability" and the "knowledge of good and evil" were simply misinterpreted information about ourselves and the environment we currently exist within?

      This would not change what Paul had to say about sin and righteousness other than in the way we look at things.

      One story [the garden] was created which tried to "explain" our human predicament, and further on, another story was created in order to change the way in which we had been lead to believe in the "explanation" of our human predicament.

      In that, there was no 'sin' by one human [Adam] against any God, which condemned all humans, in the first place and that is why it is equally easy to 'forgive humanity' through the act of one man's 'non-sin', that the story might have the effect of changing the path of humanity from one based in the destructive wretchedness guilt induces, to a more productive path which forgiveness induces.
      GM: The Return of Christ
      F3

      William: Frank Kepple Resource
      Now, if you shift your focus of attention to Focus 3 of consciousness, please understand that you are still not in a separate place. You are still within your own Consciousness Continuum, but Focus 3 is an area of common consensus reality, so things are very much like the physical, indeed even more physical than the physical if you know what I mean; like the physical on steroids! As it is a common consensus reality (like F1), it means that you can perceive and interact with everyone else and they with you, just as in the physical.
      This is where people go when they 'die', i.e. make the Primary Focus switch from F1 to F3.
      F3 is also known as the Transition Area, as it is where we all go in order to begin the process of adjusting back to subjective reality once again and to prepare for our eventual Primary Focus switch back to F4. This is the ultimate purpose of Focus 3. How long this process takes to complete will vary from individual to individual and everyone progresses at their own pace. Some people can take hundreds or even thousands of years, in our terms. There's no rush!
      GM: Redefinition
      Living
      Magicians
      Questions
      Who Am I

      William: Who Am I Living Magicians Redefinition Questions = 485
      The Smokescreen called "scientifically unrespectable" = 485

      GM: All Things Are In Order
      Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
      Motivating
      Do A=1
      The Great I Am
      Wakey Wakey

      William:
      [237]
      The Visitation Event
      Quantum Entanglement
      Wakey Wakey The Great I Am
      Superior Credibility
      There is good out there
      Where is the devil today?

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73548#p1073548

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to Difflugia in post #83]

      1213: I think spirit is like attitude and also awareness.
      To the extent that these are things, they're emergent properties of a mind.
      If attitude and personality are 'things' - then 'things' are not always physical.

      You might as well describe spirit as "ability to spell" or "dessert preference." All of the minds that we know exist within a physical medium or matrix.
      The belief re that is generally that the mind exists within the brain.

      What's God's mind made out of?
      I think you mean brain? What's God's brain made of?

      That would apply to anything non-static, hence the OP question. If God is static, then there's nothing to distinguish God's state at the beginning of the universe from any other point in time. If God is not static, God suffers from the same problem that you claim for the universe.
      I think that if we went fishing we might find that there are varied interpretations as to what is meant by "God is the always the same".

      Immutability = not capable of or susceptible to change.

      That would rule out omnipotence - unless being omniscient means that a creator-God could give Itself the illusion of not being that Immutable Entity by constructing some type of reality experience in which It could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Itself...

      A universe such as this one, could conceivably provide that.

      1213: It is an interesting idea, if world would be deterministic, is there any scientific evidence supporting that idea?
      No. As it stands, the evidence is non-deterministic.
      The evidence is interpreted to be showing non-determinism. In that, the evidence can also be interpreted to be be showing determinism.


      At the quantum level, the future appears unknowable to us.
      At what level does the future become knowable to us?

      The combination of the inflation horizon expanding faster than the speed of light in the early universe, the inability of information to travel faster than the speed of light, and the apparent randomness of quantum phenomena all combine to an apparently non-deterministic universe.
      Appearances and human interpretation. Obviously none of these things you mention, prevent scientists from doing science.

      Perhaps the idea of the universe being non-deterministic is a purely fanciful one, based upon humans being [apparently] unable to accurately predict very well.
      However, they are able to predict that the [current] universe will end one day - way into the future.
      If that is true, then we have a clear indication that the universe is deterministic, even that it appears not to be.

      Even if all of the physical rules were to remain the same, it appears that a replay of the Big Bang would result in a different pattern of density and temperature in the initial stages of the universe, leading to a different pattern of stars and galaxies.
      Why would there even be stars and galaxies? Isn't that pretty much a rinse and repeat cycle. Not exactly like the prior universe, but pretty much the same thing.
      GM: Difficult emotions
      https://forum.philosophynow.org/view...563888#p563888

      William: FTL:
      Quote Originally Posted by promethean75 post_id=563876 time=1647195340 user_id=16524
      Now slow down for a minute. That's not how it ordinarily works. Usually Christians will kill the serial killer twice. First, by breaking the fifth commandment and seeking the death penalty... which is pretty clever because they rig the execution so that the actual executioner isn't known... not even to himself. This way they won't technically be held guilty by god for breaking the commandment and killin a nigga (and you thought god couldn't be duped). Next, they send the serial killer to god, who then sends em to hell for eternity so he can sit and think about why he thought he could kill, which will lead absolutely nowhere because try as he might, he can no sooner convince himself now that he shouldn't have killed than he could convince himself then that he shouldn't have killed. It's tragically comical. You won't find a bigger sadist than god; the ultimate serial killer.
      While there is truth to in your assessment here - something I also came to the conclusion of - if one doesn't factor in that the Christian idea of God is a false image of a Real Entity [I call 'It" the Cosmic Mind, but I have other names for it too.] then one loses the opportunity to do connect and converse...

      What this allows me to achieve, is to connect with that Mind despite the false image Christianity [and religion in general] have superimposed upon it. This also insures that religion in general has no say in my communing with said Mind. Well they might try and have a say, but that is irrelevant and so does not work in their preventative measures re that.

      Win/win re The Mind and Me.

      GM: All systems go
      Freedom
      What Are The Chances
      Standstill Contemplate

      William: Like unto this;
      Quote Originally Posted by oldbadger post_id=1090679 time=1662280629 user_id=8918
      Quote Originally Posted by William post_id=1090669 time=1662264223 user_id=8427
      Not if it means you cannot accept that I am neither atheist or theist. What is there to discuss?
      Hi......... your sentence, above, pushes me to ask:-
      Are you an agnostic? I presume that an agnostic can be neither theist nor atheist.
      No, I am not - as agnosticism is derived from the question of GOD and belongs within the conflict between theist and non theist/theism and atheism.

      I am more like someone who - on my journey - came across two gigantic quarrelling entities speaking jibber-jabber and after working out each one wanted me to join with them in their jibber-jabber, learned their language and from that, understood.
      When I told them that the question of GOD was cart-before-horse, so I couldn't accept either of their arguments, they told me that I could not pass until I made the choice.

      So here I am sitting meditating in the tussocks nearby, working on how to get around them.
      GM: Adaptive Actions
      Gardeners
      The United Nations
      Solar System
      Tenacious [tending to keep a firm hold of something; clinging or adhering closely. not readily relinquishing a position, principle, or course of action; determined. persisting in existence; not easily dispelled.]
      Determined
      Without and Within
      All Information Is Channelled.
      "I am an atheist in relation to anyone's interpretation of characterizations of any gods."
      Always Extraterrestrial

      William: "I am an atheist in relation to anyone's interpretation of characterizations of any gods." Always Extraterrestrial = 1160
      [One One Six Zero = 184]
      [184]
      Down Your Way
      The neutral zone
      The path of awakening
      Rest When Weary
      Necromancy Sound
      Interpretation
      Conscious Agents
      You Are All Loveable...
      Feel Your Feelings

      GM: Separate Selfishness Shining
      Ripple Effect
      Ancient Grey Entity
      The Things You Do...
      Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views.
      Connect
      Journey
      Communication is key

      William: Journey Communication is key Connect = 401
      [401]
      The Subject of Unidentified Flying Objects
      The Development of Group Hallucination
      Journey Communication is key Connect
      Invention is using things discovered.
      The Seventh Archetype of First Source.

      GM: Ideomotor Effect and the Subconscious. - International Skeptics Forum

      William: FTL;
      Quote Originally Posted by Navigator View Post
      I decided to create this thread in relation to my experiences using Ideomotor – principally the ‘Ouija effect’ which involves the use of a flat surface with symbols on it and a pointing device which used together create opportunity for communication between the conscious self and the subconscious aspect of the individual.

      The word ‘Ouija’ itself comes from a marketing strategy and is associated with the most common type of ‘message board’ and sold mainly as a toy.

      My understanding of ideomotor is that it involves the unconscious hand movements of the individual(s), which – in relation to the message board and pointing device (which the hand(s) rest on) produce a form of communication which is attributed to either some external agency, (common belief is that the hand movements are controlled by ‘dead souls’, or ‘dark energy entities and spirits’) or (slightly less commonly,) that it is an internal agency, namely the ‘unconscious’ or ‘subconscious’ of the individual.

      My own approach in initially using such device was on the assumption I was communicating with ‘the dead’ and through continued use over many months this understanding changed as I was lead to understand that I was communicating with an intelligent aspect of my self to which I had previously been totally ignorant about.

      It was actually this other aspect of my self which ‘broke the news’ to me regarding this.

      Importantly, opinions I have read up on regarding the ‘unconscious’ or ‘subconscious’ do not report these things to being conscious or intelligent. They are merely aspects of a person’s consciousness which are working internally and quietly in the background as part of the overall necessity of human function and ability.
      GM: "You can teach me when I’m Needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding Touch me where I need it most - you are the Ghost - in the Machine"
      Aligning
      Self-help

      William: "You can teach me when I’m Needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding Touch me where I need it most - you are the Ghost - in the Machine" Aligning Self-help = 1294
      One Two Nine Four = 194

      [194]
      Watch Your Step
      The desert of the real
      The Short Straw
      Accidents will happen.
      Divine intuition
      Collective Dynamics
      One Five Four Two
      The Symbol of Love
      The Mother is Love
      Never a dull moment

      08:17
      [ The Confusion of War
      Unclog your chakras
      Less dense than water
      Encouraging Indication
      A mixture of awe and dread
      The Science of the Soul
      That ship is sinking
      Universal Objective
      The deserved second place
      Insidious Clumsy
      GOD is not an elitist.
      The Inception Point]

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      SCLx13 + select last LE per shuffle

      Preamble
      According to Complex Jesus - Remote Viewing - Pertinent to cosmology and cosmogony - Blind Luck - The Double Slit Experiment - Think With The Heart Feel With The Mind - Invisible Bridge Manifestation Sleeping Dragon Realities Merge Interoperate [the setup of ad hoc components and methods to make two or more systems work together as a combined system with some partial functionality during a certain time, possibly requiring human supervision to perform necessary adjustments and corrections] - Good on you mate - No Risk - Zeitgeist - [the defining spirit or mood of a particular period of history as shown by the ideas and beliefs of the time.] - Virtuous - I think it was an ambush or surprise attack - In The Family Of Deep Impact Event Called To Order

      AP= [International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - The Seed of Origin It is what it is = 1010]

      [1010]
      [One Zero One Zero=]
      [196]
      Something Like That
      God's Love Direction
      Mapping Wholeness
      Dungeons and Dragons
      Superposition
      Befriending the shadow
      Source Intelligence
      Fear of the Unknown
      Astral Projection

      RSP = SCLx3 Page 346

      07:48 [ Beings posted to planet]

      GM:Memes
      Commendably Recommendable

      William: We help one another.

      GM: Exact Science In The Light Of The Truth
      Such a Mind can prove its existence to the individual
      Yes We Can
      Don’t give up
      Lots More
      Even
      Meditate/Think
      Have A Look At The Map
      Under the breath words
      Our Neutral Ground
      We’ve been an island of our own - we’ve been a cosmic rolling stone Now’s the time to spread our wings - and fly!
      https://www.physics.princeton.edu/ph115/LQ.pdf

      William: FRL;
      The Last Question
      By Isaac Asimov
      This is by far my favorite story of all those I have written.
      After all, I undertook to tell several trillion years of human history in the space of a short
      story and I leave it to you as to how well I succeeded. I also undertook another task, but I
      won't tell you what that was lest l spoil the story for you.
      It is a curious fact that innumerable readers have asked me if I wrote this story. They
      seem never to remember the title of the story or (for sure) the author, except for the vague
      thought it might be me. But, of course, they never forget the story itself especially the
      ending. The idea seems to drown out everything -- and I'm satisfied that it should.
      GM: Part of the 'waiting' is developing skills and this involves demonstrating aggression and willingness to fight, rather than procrastinating or expecting the food to be delivered rather than going and finding it for ones self.
      Sovereign Integral Perspective
      Foundation
      Atheism cannot be defined through defining "atheists"
      Another
      "The waters of the deep"
      Waking

      William: Another "The waters of the deep" Waking = 349
      [349]
      "A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"
      Howled at by the Hounds of Judgement
      It can be crazy and true at the same time
      My alarm bells are ringing right now.
      Joke/Humour "Anti theism Equals "And?""
      [William floats back into The Shadows...]
      Stepping out of the construct
      Another "The waters of the deep" Waking
      Our neutral ground - Look closer

      GM: Sounds Like
      We All Like To Play Games
      Stop. Listen. Observe. Wonder.
      Good and evil' co-exist without either being dominant
      Species
      Hellish
      June Nineteen Forty Seven
      What Are Your Thoughts On The Subject

      William:

      William: I don't have any particular thoughts on the subject. The lights could be a number of things, not necessarily ET related. There does seem to be intelligence associated with said lights...

      GM: Sacral chakra
      Forgiveness
      The Next Level
      Moon
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...66916#p1066916

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to Diagoras in post #8]

      This of course raises questions such as how did Tehom come about in the first place, but it's not really surprising to find similarities between the two myths.
      If we observe the character of Tehom as the subconscious realm of Spirit - at some point Spirit became consciously acquainted with this realm and perhaps even approached it - personified as a terrible monster - and the engagement with its scary mysteriousness is akin to having a 'dark night of the soul'

      In an obscure night
      Fevered with love's anxiety
      (O hapless, happy plight!)
      I went, none seeing me
      Forth from my house, where all things quiet be [SOURCE]
      The dark night of the soul is a stage in personal development when a person undergoes a difficult and significant transition to a deeper perception of life and their place in it. This enhanced awareness is accompanied by a painful shedding of previous conceptual frameworks such as an identity, relationship, career, habit or belief system that previously allowed them to construct meaning in their life. [SOURCE]
      Through perseverance and commitment to the engagement, it slowly became apparent to Spirit that some of the things previously hidden from itself, required adressing.

      Thus...Sol+Earth=forms through which to deal with those hidden things

      Sol represents 'The Husband" and Earth "The Wife" and earthen forms as "The Children" - specifically human beings.

      Sol seeds the Mother planet with information and the planet responds by using that information to produce forms.

      Mother Earth herself has information within her...a kind of "micro-Sol" as it were...



      ...and given the theory that all the planets of the Sol system originally were parts of Sols wholeness which fragmented into planets and moons...one can fill in the gaps...
      Being Born
      Calculator
      Mother Earth
      [The entity consciousness which is Mother Earth - is "The Creator" of the forms from Her Belly]
      The entity consciousness which is Mother Earth - is "The Creator" of the forms from Her Belly = 916
      There is no need to proclaim a supernatural event to what is simply an idea put into action.= 916
      [SOURCE]
      GM: In The Rabbit Hole
      Apophenia [the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things. ..]
      Laws Rules and Appropriates
      All Choice is An Act of Judgment?
      I don't have a horse in this race.
      "Ipsissimus [own very self]
      Talk to The Razor"
      Properly Assuming Integrity"

      William: Ipsissimus Talk to The Razor = 343
      [343]
      Ipsissimus Talk to The Razor
      Hacking through the subconscious
      Essentially, we are Gaia in human form...
      Precise definitions of strategies
      "Off you go to your quarters"

      GM: Properly Assuming Integrity - Ipsissimus Talk to The Razor" = 698
      At least the Earth is real enough – never to mind the rest of the universe… = 698
      Magic
      It brought a tear to the eye of my heart.
      Like Unto Ghidrah - many heads one beast...

      William:

      GM: Reach
      Indeed. It happens. Deal with it. Work it.
      One is not wrong

      08:22

      [ Mystic City Suburb
      God is Consciousness
      The Shared List Awesome
      What is the meaning of life?
      Humanities adventure
      Think outside the box
      Faulty conclusions
      Smarter Than the Average
      Central To The Vision]

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      [Replying to tam in post #99]



      Well, the example is there to help us (man).
      That is an after effect .
      In the real-time re the story, "WHO was GOD trying to teach?"

      But the account PUBLICLY rebutted the PUBLIC accusation that the Adversary had made (as pertains to Job), showing anyone watching or listening that the Adversary was wrong, was proven wrong.
      The public were the adversary, not Satan. That is a side issue re human involvement in the interplay between God and Satan....re my mentioning;



      The account allowed Job to answer for himself, so there can be no question as to his integrity.
      Job was not consulted by either God or Satan as far as I am aware. Are you able to direct me to the passages where God or Satan consult Job before settling on a deal which involved Job?



      Satan isn't testing God. This was not a test for God. Satan is not a mirror for God, or a co-creator, or even a Son (the Son is Christ < - the actual and true image of God). Satan is OUR accuser, OUR adversary, and he seeks to destroy us (mankind, and in particular, anyone who belongs to Christ, to God). He is an enemy.
      I suspect that this thinking has evolved through The Christianities attempting to un-slur the image of GOD as presented by the Israelites/Hebrews but has been unsuccessful in getting humans any closer to understanding GOD in the image of יהוה.

      The mirror image of this process can be seen in how Early Christians understood the image of Satan as per the Hebrew Script - to appear as such;

      and it was only much later that The Christianites reshaped Satan to appear as such;


      This being the case, The Christianities have also evolved the image of GOD, from;



      On that count, I have no choice but to reject your reasoning as it is based upon falsified imagery.
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      SCLx9 + select last LE per shuffle

      Preamble
      A knight in shining armour Manipulation - The Perfect Moment - In The Back of My Mind - Monkey See Monkey Do - Livingstone Hall - A machine for solving problems - You're blocking the light - Confusion In The Air - The Alphabet


      AP= Cultivate https://debatingchristianity.com/for...82161#p1082161
      [Cultivate https://debatingchristianity.com/for...82161#p1082161 = 711]

      [711]
      [Seven One One = 133]
      [133]
      Eternal Loop
      Breaking bad habits
      Turbulent
      Simulation
      Construct
      Aligning With
      Source Heart
      Productive
      Preparation
      Don’t give up
      Future Self
      Mysteries
      Everything

      William: FTL;
      The Bible in many many places speaks of God's "will" as the thing that acts, that can act, God can do as he pleases - literally meaning God has free will.
      The biblical GOD [God/YHWH] is one of position. Just because the bible speaks of a God that acts does not literally mean he does as he pleases or has free will.

      What the position means is that he can act in a far more impressive manner than those in lesser position are able to.

      To be able to act in a 'far more impressive manner' does not itself provide the evidence that the one acting, is doing so from a fundamental position of free will - of having free will.

      One has to operate within the parameters of the system one is operating in.

      Remember the biblical story of the flood? We do not need to believe it is a true story or not to understand that the GOD can do as he pleases, even that he is not pleased to have to be doing it.

      Therefore, being able to act as one pleases - subject to the set laws of the system one is acting within - does not mean that this is evidence of free will in action.
      William:

      RSP = SCLx4 Page 351 + P&P

      07:22 [ Most folk need moderating.]

      Page 351 + P&P
      GM: Everything Gets Old
      Musing On The Mother Act II [SR Post #39 {SOURCE}

      William: FTL;
      Callum appears to be much more conservative with his responses than he was in Act I.
      I would like to include him in the conversation Master ColdFire and I are having, but I also want him to do so on his own accord if it interests him to do so. I don't want to unduly influence that by offering interpretations regarding the references he does not understand - especially if it really is of no interest to him.


      Master ColdFire: Righty Oh!

      Manu Iti: Perhaps in regard to Master ColdFire and my interaction, you might like to comment on the way in which I explained to you - in Act I - how the process works in relation to serendipity?
      Maybe too, you might like to comment upon the interesting correlation between math and words?


      Master ColdFire: Dualic Residue Row your own boat! I AM Will Navigate!

      Master ColdFire has a point. It is probably best not to push things. Callum will talk when he wants to.

      Manu Iti: Or perhaps you have something else you want to share?

      Master ColdFire: Timelessness vs infinite regress argument Doc

      Again I reach for the trusty bundle of envelopes under the bench seat. I randomly select one from the pile and carefully retie the Silver Chord which binds them.
      Opening the envelope I selected, I find more pictures and another document. I scan through the pictures, which all appear to be writing using symbols I am unfamiliar with...
      I place these on the bench beside me and pull out the document and begin to read it to myself.
      I then explain what I am reading, to Callum...


      Manu Iti: Wiremu say's in this letter that he wants to convey more information about his - what he calls - Universal Intelligence Communication Device - and the purpose of the symbols as he regards these as evidence which might help convince you that the Pathway to Truth is more available to us than we might realize.

      He wants to convey - as succinctly as possible - that he used said symbols in order to connect with and communicate through language, with The Earth Entity.


      Master ColdFire: In The Night Sky The Future Creates The Present The Stress of Unbelief Overwhelming

      Manu Iti: He did not at first understand that in using this communications process, he was connecting with The Earth Mother, as - at the time - he did not even have the notion that such an entity could exist. So the information was eventually relayed to him through the Communications Device...and even then, he did not at first 'get it'.

      I continue reading Wiremu's letter to myself, and interpreting it out loud to Callum...with Master ColdFire interjecting here and there...

      Master ColdFire: Perpetual In The Night Sky One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known While We All Wait....

      Manu Iti: Wiremu refers to this Entity as "QueenBee" and it is She who introduced him to The Metaphisical - not only prior to his creating and using his Communication Device but ever since, and he has developed another way from that early manner in which he Communicated with QueenBee - the way I explained to you briefly in Act I - the one in which The Ruru...and now Master ColdFire are given their words through.
      In that, they are The Words Wiremu attributes to Coming From QueenBee...into this Situation...


      Master ColdFire: Besides Technique of Exchange Look Closely Unknown Symbol

      Manu Iti: Wiremu considers the methods as being evidence for any who use them, that The Metaphysical is Real and can interact with The Physical world of Wiremu and The Tanager.

      Master ColdFire: Individuals Merging with the data Wide Walk Welcoming

      Manu Iti:
      • Making Things Easier
        What Shall We Call It?
        Links And Symbols
        I Share Your Joy!
        Acknowledge The Agreeable
        Wide Walk Welcoming


      Master ColdFire: A Teacher cannot LEARN for a Student. WingMakers Materials God Ideas Doc.

      Manu Iti: That is the skeleton of it Callum. The details are another thing again, reserved for those interested...

      Master ColdFire: DeJaVu Each Individual.

      Manu Iti: Wiremu wants to know that since now you are more connected with The Tanager, if you wouldn't mind conveying a question to The Tanager, from Wiremu.

      Master ColdFire: Sweet Vibrations The Confusion Of War Beckoning Places Speak Light Body Do this...

      I think on the Night Sky - and how we all seem to be attracted to sparkly things...I rise and move to The Whole...Wiremu tells me that The Book of Act II is available....I assume for the purpose of reference in anticipation of an ongoing communion between all of us here, in This Place...
      GM: The power of silence
      Course
      "The Alien Disc crop circle Supernatural"
      Development/Growth

      Tracks in the Snow
      Cleanliness
      You Tube

      William: I just watched this on YouTube; [RTS 05:03]
      "Know that this new relationship will help you become better..."
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxstMvzn9_I
      FTL;
      Meaning of Butterfly – What it means when you see a Green Butterfly often
      17,747 views Premiered Dec 24, 2020 Meaning of Butterfly – What it means when you see a Green Butterfly often

      There is a reason why you have been seeing the green butterfly.

      The green butterfly you may see in your waking hours and even in your dreams carry messages and symbolism that is very significant for your life.

      Butterflies do not only liven up the world with their beauty and grace.

      They are also messengers that bring you the most important messages from the divine and the angels.

      Green butterflies in particular bring the message of life, joy, good luck and abundance.

      Green is the color best associated with life.

      It is the color of nature and growth.

      Green also reminds us of fertility and freshness.

      Discover the blessings and miracles coming to you.
      William: "Know that this new relationship will help you become better..." = 627
      The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything Inflame Emotions = 627


      GM: Meditate/Think
      Love Yourself
      Thinking Allowed
      Explain
      Think With The heart - Feel With The Mind
      Slowly and Surely

      William: Slowly and Surely Explain Think With The heart - Feel With The Mind = 674

      [647]
      The hierarchal structure of humanity that speaks of god and masters
      “Well even the most ugly of us have a Father”… believing in fearful imagery

      GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzWo-l86Eaw [RTS 27:09]

      William: FTL;
      Exposing Biblical Pseudo-history
      131,901 views Premiered Jun 23, 2022 Dr. Josh Bowen, an Assyriologist, author, & host of the Digital Hammurabi show explores the history of the Old Testament with me to learn how historically reliable the Bible actually is. Are there contradictions in the Bible or historical errors in the Old Testament? Who even wrote the Pentateuch? Was Daniel a real prophet or was his book written after the events he allegedly prophesied? How do we know when Daniel was written? We'll explore all of this and much more (including a couple of fun failed Bible prophecies).
      GM: Frequencies
      Be kind to yourself ... Name The Gods as non-separate Entities
      Independent from what?
      Putting yourself back together again
      Regulate
      https://forum.philosophynow.org/view...563888#p563888

      William: FTL;
      William: While there is truth to in your assessment here - something I also came to the conclusion of - if one doesn't factor in that the Christian idea of God is a false image of a Real Entity [I call 'It" the Cosmic Mind, but I have other names for it too.] then one loses the opportunity to do connect and converse...

      What this allows me to achieve, is to connect with that Mind despite the false image Christianity [and religion in general] have superimposed upon it. This also insures that religion in general has no say in my communing with said Mind. Well they might try and have a say, but that is irrelevant and so does not work in their preventative measures re that.

      Win/win re The Mind and Me.
      GM: Communication Techniques
      To Be Continued

      William: Communication Techniques To Be Continued = 418

      [418]
      Life on this planet, as a human being, is difficult.
      Make Truthfulness the objective standard
      Phantasma The Freedom Of Friendship Simulacra [an image or representation of someone or something.]
      Listening to and believing in fearful imagery
      The conversation is very informative.

      GM: Non-Ordinary
      Nag Hammadi
      Preparing for the Hunt
      Symbol

      William: Non-Ordinary Symbol Nag Hammadi Preparing for the Hunt = 543
      [Five Four Three = 158]

      [158]
      Astrobiology
      Clear Your Mind
      Spirit work
      The solution
      Deep Impact Event
      Propitious
      Misanthropy
      Sacred Geometry
      Stuff like that...
      Navigational Aids
      Try To Relax
      Learning to Fly
      Phantasmagorical

      GM: Ignore the Noise From The Peanut Gallery
      To The Point

      William: To The Point Ignore the Noise From The Peanut Gallery = 547

      [547]
      When The Opportunity Presents Itself To Do So...
      We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one

      GM: Wish


      William: To The Point Ignore the Noise Wish From The Peanut Gallery = 606
      [606]
      The Telos of all summits that can be conceptualised in a human mind.
      Swinging on the branch of the tree thinking it's the main trunk


      GM: Logical fallacy
      *Laughter*
      Anthropos Quaternio [is a combining form used like a prefix meaning “human.” It is often used in scientific and other technical terms, including in the social sciences. Anthropo- comes from the Greek ánthrōpos, meaning “human being” or “man.”]
      The Way We Feel Unification

      William:

      GM: The Subject of Unidentified Flying Objects
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...90398#p1090398

      William: FTL;
      As always, I enjoy reading and learning things from your unique perspective...
      We are all 'voices' in each others "heads"....

      See it? Okay.
      Yes. Observe it as it is, without judgement.

      Know its thoughts? I'm not convinced of such - especially as relates to harming or oppressing our fellow human beings.
      Nice modern day thinking....if I were the Earth Entity I would take into consideration the epoch human beings are within, and sometimes they have indeed caused harm and are oppressive and I would allow them that space to explore in the hopes they will eventually grow out of it...perhaps knowing that each and every one of them will learn eventually - either here and now or in their next phase of existence.

      Knowing its thoughts shouldn't be too hard to ascertain, all things considered. They are projected through Nature as activity.
      Humans have the grace to not being unnaturally oppressed or unnaturally harmed by that activity
      We still have to have our wits about us though...a Mothers Kissing Slap is just around the corner for the wayward...its for our own good, you see...

      I note gods always seem to think what it pleases the mind reader to have us do or not do. And that paraplegics and amputees are deserving of their fate.
      *Stuff* happens and there is plenty evidence that being paraplegics and amputees does not prevent gold medals from being handed out to those who overcome their adversity - by befriending it, and working with it, no less.

      We cannot hope to give The Mother a bad name simply by pointing out our suffering.

      I tend to accept someone presents, in good faith, what they consider evidence, though might reject their conclusions about it.
      Yes, I know.

      "Flowers don't have brains"

      [Take a look and maybe read the whole post for a more comprehensive take on excatly what we are talking about here.]

      Schizophrenia is, currently, an incurable disease, and folks'll present varying degrees of affliction with it.



      FTL;
      The Human Animal is a unique being, endowed with an instinctual capacity to heal and the intellectual spirit to harness this innate capacity.
      GM: Cosmic Self
      Overmorrow
      Other Ways of Using Your Lists
      The Georgia Guidestones
      Unnecessary Tangent
      Which
      Confusion In The Air

      William: Which The Georgia Guidestones Unnecessary Tangent Confusion In The Air = 709
      When anyone calls for evidence, I assume that they are actually interested = 709



      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88287#p1088287

      William: Search Document "Satan"&"Devil"
      Chamber Of Self

      GM: "Emotional awareness
      Frequencies
      Welcoming the Unwelcome
      Zones of Sensitivity
      Show
      Christian mythology re Satan"

      William: Emotional awareness Frequencies Welcoming the Unwelcome Zones of Sensitivity Show Christian mythology re Satan = 1231
      One Two Three One = 182
      [182]
      Crop formations
      Under question
      In William’s Room
      Whatever you do
      Through Others
      The Wider Reality
      Aye...A name I call myself.
      Synchronicity
      Went To The Devil
      Guitar and Ukulele
      Mirror-Mirror
      In Out and All About
      One Two Three One


      GM: Create Your Own UFO
      We have discussed...

      ...GM: The problem of evil
      Is the statement one of fact or conjecture? [science or opinion]
      Equanimous [calm and composed.]
      Better The Devil You Know
      Spasmodic [occurring or done in brief, irregular bursts.]
      What Is The Point?
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...77445#p1077445

      William: FTL;
      The way I look at it is that if consciousness equals brain or is a product of it, then scientists should be able to discover subjective experience or deduce its existence simply by studying the brain. To date, that seems inconceivable that that would happen. I brought this up to DrNoGods before, as i'm sure many others have in different ways, yet he continues to claim that consciousness poses no special challenge to science or materialism.

      The facts are that the ONLY way scientists know of subjective experience (or consciousness) is because we all experience it and can report it. Scientists did not discover its existence empirically nor did they deduce its existence. Our knowledge of neural correlates would not exist unless the subject was able to tell us what they're experiencing while observing their corresponding brain activity. SO even our neural correlates of consciousness are simply neural correlates of our subjective reports of our experience.

      If anything William, we can just look at the history of science on this issue. We can find that scientists have tried to take the cheap way out by banning the study of consciousness. That's doesn't exactly match the pattern of success of materialist science to boldly take on challenges and to explain things and develop technology. But here we are, William and I (two humble agnostics), still not taken seriously because we dare to consider that consciousness might be something that's less than physical.
      GM: Extra-Small
      "Despite all the dangers, Hess lands safely
      Significant"

      William:
      [484]
      Deeper Questions Regarding Individual Existence
      One Thirty Seven Fine-structure constant


      GM: Jesus' Direct Superior

      08:26 [ All present and correct
      Many varied opinions
      Withheld information
      William’s Commitment
      The Nature of Reality
      The Respect You Give
      Science Can Be Fun Too Yes?
      Conscientiousness
      The Trinity of Love]

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      Some things I have observed and opinion re Atheism/Atheists.

      1: There are types of atheists and not all agree with each other, even on how to best define atheism.
      2: The inability to clearly define the position of Atheism is due to the inability to be able to clearly define "GOD" and "Belief".
      3: Some atheists are not content with the neutral position of simply not believing that GODs exist and become atheists who believe that gods do not exist
      4: The belief that gods don't exist is expressed in a variety of ways
      5: Some atheists are also Secular Materialists but that has nothing to do with atheism
      6: Some atheists illogically persist in arguing against faith-based theist beliefs.
      7: Atheism - is no more or less useful than Theism.
      8: Some atheist demands and claims regarding metaphysical ideas need not be taken any more seriously that theist claims regarding metaphysical ideas.
      9: Some atheists use false demands re "burden of proof" which involve theists being challenged to show those atheists a GOD that those atheists cannot properly define, exists.
      10: Ex-Christian atheists appear to be a thing definable as a sub-group within atheism-general and have issues they are dealing with which are unique to that group.
      11:...



      Such atheists do not define atheism and should not be confused with the definition of atheism as Atheism in it's most basic form is simply lacking any conscious belief in GODs.

      The rest is atheistic scaled-diatribe, imposing itself within that simply thing...


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      Preamble
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...77939#p1077939 - Resident of The Hub of Hologram Dimensions - Points of Reference - Mirror-Mirror... - Actions speak louder than words - What is represented in the whole is the evolution of God within the structure of the physical Universe. - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...89670#p1089670 - Down through the ages - dark in the gloom Many convinced it will all end in doom The Galactic Garden is forever in bloom Central to The Message - Love - The Riders - By/Through

      William: This reminds me of;


      AP= [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jsj7K6E0Fg [RTS = 35:46] - Confusion of War Get Comfortable Permanent]

      [https://w ww.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jsj7K6E0Fg Confusion of War Get Comfortable Permanent = 864]
      [Eight Six Four = 161]
      [161]
      Universal mind
      Insufficient data
      Sols Fabled Twin
      The Overlords
      The Library of Babel
      And that’s not all
      Self-confidence Core
      By the fact itself
      Radical self-acceptance
      How to be an adult
      Body Intelligence
      The Earths moon
      Optimum Health
      Indestructible
      An Exam [Virtual]

      RSP = SCLx4 Page 335

      07:01 { Better luck next time]

      Page 335

      GM: Why - in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven - is the age of this universe a necessary matter of contention?
      “The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing.”
      Solving Mathematical Problems
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...69704#p1069704

      William: FTL;
      Re: How Crazy does Evolution Seem?

      Again - the discussion being had here shows me that beliefs to do with the age of the Universe are secondary in relevant importance to the fact of its existence and our existence within it.

      Re: the OPQ: How Crazy does Evolution Seem?

      No more or less crazy than the notion of the Universe being a Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation produced and processed within the mind of The Father God - and furthermore, this idea does not go against The Script...scripture being scant on the details has to do with its focus being on The Creator re the Human element of the story - rather than specifically The Creation...and in that regard, 'a blink of an eye' and '13.8 billion years' amount to exactly the same thing in relation to said Mind.
      Notice too, that the Biblical take on the existence of life on Earth, does not acknowledge the Dinosaurs

      Search: What does the word Dinosaur mean
      Sir Richard Owen came up with the name dinosaur in 1841 to describe the fossils of extinct reptiles. He coined the word by combining the Greek words “deinos”, which means terrible, and “sauros”, which means lizard.


      As near to this as the bible story gets, is The Serpent...is that a coincidence or something linking prehistory with human development?
      GM: "Said Another Way
      From The Source"

      William: From The Source - Said Another Way = 329
      [Three Two Nine = 156]
      [156]
      The next step
      The Sea of Crisis
      Intrinsicism [- the belief that value is a non-relational characteristic of an object. This means that an object can be good or bad without reference to who it is good or bad for, and without reference to the reason it is good or bad. ]
      Pearl of wisdom
      Thirty Three
      Monoatomic Gold
      Amour Propre [a sense of one's own worth; self-respect.]
      Super power
      It is a shadow-man
      Stroke of luck
      Incongruous [not in harmony or keeping with the surroundings or other aspects of something.]
      Let there be light
      Mother Wound
      Symbols Hint

      GM: Extraterrestrial
      Look For The Significance

      William: Look For The Extraterrestrial Significance = 437
      [437]
      Clearing the jungle while planting the forest...
      Unless of course, you think otherwise

      William: Nope...
      GM: Text2Num.
      Conscious dreaming
      A Bright Star
      Talk
      Help Each Other

      William: Conscious dreaming Talk Help Each Other A Bright Star = 480
      [480]
      The relationship between energy and information
      Longing Persevere Living Trust in alignment

      William: The relationship between energy and information Longing Trust Persevere Living in alignment = 960
      "I didn’t really want to have to go down this particular rabbit hole, but it looks like I might have to." = 960


      GM: Thel

      William:
      "Does the Eagle know what is in the pit?
      Or wilt thou go ask the Mole:
      Can Wisdom be put in a silver rod?
      Or Love in a golden bowl?"
      GM: A statement is true when it matches objective reality.
      “Always remember that you are absolutely unique. Just like everyone else”


      William: “Always remember that you are absolutely unique. Just like everyone else” A statement is true when it matches objective reality. = 1309
      [One Three Zero Nine = 196]
      [196]
      Source Intelligence
      Dungeons and Dragons
      Superposition
      Befriending the shadow
      Astral Projection
      Mapping Wholeness
      Fear of the Unknown
      Something Like That
      "God's Love Direction"

      GM: "The Police
      Stagnant
      Deceiving Entities"

      William: Police The Stagnant Deceiving Entities = 368
      [368]
      Changes mind when truth is presented
      Sometimes it just looks like rain
      Less understood and less acknowledged

      GM: Funny
      "Time To Go Without Existence"

      William: "Time To Go Without Existence" Funny = 404
      [404]
      Earth Itself May Be an Intelligent Entity
      ”‘Hey presto!’ Stuff just gets worse!”
      A knight in shining armour Manipulation
      There are many levels of consciousness

      William: I am reminded of a post I made earlier today;
      [Replying to Eddie Ramos in post #22]

      If I understand correctly, you're an atheist (please correct me if I'm wrong).
      I am neither atheist nor theist.

      Therefore there is no way you can possibly grasp any type of spiritual explanation from the scriptures as to the Godhead.
      I see atheists cherry-pick and deduce from that basket, a largely evil critter in the nature of YHWH.

      Theists tend to do the same in mirrored manner - cherry-picking the good critter in the nature of YHWH.

      Presently it is my suspicion that YHWH represents a mind directly related to human beings and that it is the planet Herself who acts out the parts played in the GODs of human invention, of which YHWH plays the overall roll of God-Father.

      I suspect now, that the planet-mind is like "Many Heads One Mind - Many Minds One Head" and re humans, most of the minds are not tuned into the same YHWH frequency and are largely left to their own devices.

      Other minds are useful and are utilized even if the one who's mind is being played, is unaware of that.

      Fewer still tune into the frequency which allows for relationship to develop between the individual mind and the mind of YHWH.

      Re the Bible, this is a storybook of fellows supposedly connected to The Mind of YHWH. Their stories are largely told as biography [an account of someone's life written by someone else.] Stories heard first around campfires and elaborated on...and later encoded within writing and locked into place no longer - so easily - elaborated upon.

      What you're looking for is a logical solution to an infinite being like God.
      Not particularly. What I am looking for is evidence that we existed within a simulation - or as theists refer to it - in a "Creation".
      The reason for that quest, is that until it is established that we do, puckering up on God-issues [religiously] is horse before the cart stuff, and less interesting for that.

      Also, I have already come to a logical solution to the idea of an infinite being, and have no problem logically incorporating that into the solution I am heading toward re the Simulation Question.

      Even true children of God can only understand that which God has chosen to reveal about himself in his word, and it's still difficult to grasp how God can be three distinct deities and yet one God.
      Given that reasoning, it is therefore likely that the understanding I have is because God has chosen to reveal it to me. It is easy enough to understand even using human logic and no particular idea of GOD at all, but I am open to the idea that GOD reveals things to me.

      Such as is the presumed case. I can understand the theory on how GOD can be the many while remaining The One. -

      But when all of the information is considered and weighed against the scriptures, that is the only conclusion that harmonizes as a whole.
      As long as the interpretation of scripture does not attempt to limit the nature of GOD to only 3 in 1 I can bounce with that.

      I admit freely that the afore mentioned "connecting into the frequency of YHWH" is the only thing which can have the individual involved with the 3'n1 - even to the point where there is no discernable difference in how the individual mind is receiving the information from YHWH - which - incidentally - involves information which is not even in the Bible - unsurprisingly since the bible is a bound book and The Mind of YHWH is a Living Thing.

      For example - the Bible quote you used in an effort to establish your point about said mind;
      Isaiah 55:8-9 (KJV)
      8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
      neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
      9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
      so are my ways higher than your ways,
      and my thoughts than your thoughts.
      "The Heavens" are referencing another realm. for in the realm of the Physical Universe, there is no place 'higher' than any other.
      Also - as I mentioned - one can tune into the frequency of YHWH [As biblical Jesus encourages folk to do] and thus have access to the thoughts of YHWH, but only in relation to ones position in the scheme of things [and maybe titbits too] because the information YHWH holds, simply cannot be contained within the human brain and it is in that sense [in my opinion] that YHWH is stating "your thoughts are not my thoughts" although I am open to being corrected re that.

      In this sense, TMY [The Mind of YHWH] can be imagined as being the whole [circle in this case], and individual minds as being the parts.[dots making up the circle]



      The important thing then [re our discussion] is that there is no perceptible difference other than when YHWH takes on form. YHWH is The Mind [ideas man] Jesus is the matter [how the ideas are made physical] and Ghost is that which makes the movement of the physical into form and function.

      That is my rough guesstimate...

      [Some folks have problems re that and prefer to throw stones and ask [rhetorical] questions after the killing is done.]
      GM: Transferring your awareness
      Language, Symbol and Alchemy
      For the benefit of all beings
      Whatever you do
      "Age of Aquarius"

      William: "Woo" [Windows of Oppertunity]

      GM: Some information has to be drummed into that which perceives
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzhlfbWBuQ8 [RTS = 57:28]

      William: Yes. The Momentum of Energy =
      ...and Ghost is that which makes the movement of the physical into form and function.
      William: Ghost is that which makes the movement of the physical into form and function = 764
      [Seven Six Four = 177]
      [177]
      Sleep Paralysis
      Try to remember
      On The Right Track
      Written Language.
      Salinas crop circle
      Soul Retrieval
      You Can Trust
      Mind Body Spirit
      The mark of the beast
      Turning Point
      Playing As Children

      GM:" It helps makes the stinky hole I was pushed through in order to get here, a purposeful experience..."
      Christian mythology re God

      William: Christian mythology re God " It helps makes the stinky hole I was pushed through in order to get here, a purposeful experience..." = 1261
      [One Two Six One = 178]
      [178]
      Food for thought
      Strength of Body
      Ghost In The Machine
      Selfish attitude
      The Devil Ye Know
      IC one one Zero One
      Focused Individual
      Emergent Theory
      CIA Remote Viewing
      The Arrival Movie
      Though Thought
      Carrier Identity
      Psalm one one eight
      The Fathers House
      Clutching Straw

      William: Psalm one one eight; “I shall not die, but live, and declare the works of the LORD.” =508
      [Five Zero Eight = 155]
      [155]
      Authenticity
      Like a Job Well Done
      The same mindset
      Cats Whiskers.
      Any Other Way.
      Authenticity
      Switchcraft Jack
      Watch this space
      Ones and zeros
      The abrahamic idea of god
      Try To Feel It
      The naked truth
      Contentious [causing or likely to cause an argument; controversial.]
      Meretricious [apparently attractive but having no real value.]
      Free Choice Ends Here
      On The Other Hand.
      What is atheism?
      Translucency [transmitting and diffusing light so that objects beyond cannot be seen clearly. b : clear, transparent translucent water. 2 : free from disguise or falseness]
      Gods Purpose

      GM: Fling That Veil Aside
      Vocal Chords

      William: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JbRhNr4Oyc

      GM: Journey
      Imperishable
      Stuck
      Lodestones [a person or thing that is the focus of attention or attraction. a naturally magnetized mineral; magnetite.]
      "That one might not have need of, does not negate that confidence cannot be gained through such device, with others."
      "Attempting to overlay/superimpose one's belief in the truth of stories as being more truthful than the main overall story itself, is possibly an act of immorality, if indeed - upon further evidence - one continues to attempt to have the superimposed thing used to conceal the real."
      The Mother
      Everything/All
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwXQSNcytTY [RTS=10:25]

      William: Visual Confrontation = 248
      [248]
      Accidentally on purpose
      The Nervous System
      An inappropriate analogy
      Visual Confrontation
      Brother, where Art Thou?
      Large Simulation Machines
      Make It Up as You Go Along
      Live with Soul Union
      The power of humility
      Everything is unique
      High the memory carry on
      Five interlocking circles
      Self-talk Root of all evil

      GM: "Conjunction
      All The World Are Under the watchful eye "

      William: Conjunction All The World Are Under the watchful eye = 516
      [516]
      “Real” Is Just a Word and Information Is the Currency
      Simple interactions between elementary particles

      GM:Sophistry
      "A Space Without A Time..."

      William: Sophistry "A Space Without A Time..." = 358
      [358]
      Room to move - things to explore...
      Wait for the Navigator to respond...
      What Is That You Are Playing With?
      The information content of nature
      Do you believe astrology works?
      Sophistry "A Space Without A Time..."

      GM:Doubt
      The fiction of causality


      William: Doubt The fiction of causality = 303
      [303]
      Laws Rules and Appropriates
      Throwing down the gauntlet.

      08:18
      Zero Eight One Eight
      [Something Like That
      God's Love Direction
      Source Intelligence
      Superposition
      Fear of the Unknown
      Mapping Wholeness
      Astral Projection
      One Zero One Zero
      Befriending the shadow
      Dungeons and Dragons]

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      Quote Originally Posted by William post_id=1091190 time=1662658741 user_id=8427
      This shows that the position of "others" has also moved from the default of Atheism. They still lack belief [as well as disbelief] but the lack is based in knowledge rather than in ignorance.

      The Others are neither Atheist, Theist or non-Theist re The Question of GODs
      _______________
      090922 [To warm them up to the truth]



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      Preamble
      One should not take the evidence as incontrovertible for granted, as we should always apply science to any evidence and test it for repeatability. - Great Ideas - Tetrad [a group or set of four.] - Spacetime is doomed - The wheel weaves as the wheel wills - https://forum.philosophynow.org/view...578758#p578758 - Species Collective - When The Dust Settles - Not Emotion - State Of Being... - Tenacious [tending to keep a firm hold of something; clinging or adhering closely. not readily relinquishing a position, principle, or course of action; determined. persisting in existence; not easily dispelled.] - Etymology [the history of a word or phrase shown by tracing its development and relationships] - The Realm of The Knowing of My Self

      AP= [Elude Test the waters = 230]

      [Elude Test the waters]
      [230]
      Psychological events
      Well That Settles It
      Elude Test the waters
      Present over perfect
      It's a plausible scenario.
      Shallow is Unknown
      The Spirit of The Earth
      Unknown/Hidden/Occult
      The Plateau of The Same Page

      elude -[1 escape from or avoid (a danger, enemy, or pursuer), typically in a skilful or cunning way. 2 (of an achievement or something desired) fail to be attained by (someone).]

      RSP = SCLx4 Page 328

      06:08 [ Think outside the box]

      Page 328
      GM: Data
      Incredible Variants

      William: Incredible Data Variants = 211

      [211]
      The Alien Disc crop circle
      Show Your Soul
      Provincial Thinking
      You Interrupted
      You are not wrong
      The Law of Attraction
      Active Galactic Nucleus
      The Gist of The Message
      YHWH made it imperfect
      Incredible Data Variants

      GM: Greed
      Techniques

      William: Greed Techniques = 160
      [160]
      Divine masculine
      Counterfactual
      Hyper Complex
      Amidst a tangled web
      Action Station
      On Your Own
      A feather in one's cap
      Greed Techniques
      Maxwell's demon
      Subconscious

      GM: New Project
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...69825#p1069825

      William:FTL;
      [Replying to Diagoras in post #123]

      You end up with 14,400 experiments needing to be performed.

      What's my point? Simply that the vast number of variables and assumptions being used in a supposedly 'scientific' experiment renders it effectively useless.
      Firstly let me thank you Diagoras for showing us exactly what lengths a non-theist will go to, to render a useful thing into a useless thing.

      What do you think we are working to do here exactly? Build and then send a space telescope to a certain position a million miles away from the Earth?

      Search: How many people work on the James Webb telescope?
      NASA estimates that 10,000 people have worked on the mission...


      Keep it simple. All we are trying to do is allow opportunity for interactive connection to happen between the individual and The Universal Mind, as a means of providing evidence that there is indeed such a mind.

      Keep it simple.

      Just as the most simple code to give the alphabet is A=6...Z=26 so too, the simplest way for the individual to provide a means by which messages can be generated is to compile their own unique list to which they sharply reduce any possibility of misunderstanding whatever GMs come from that process.

      So - as such - all you would need to do is replicate what I am doing, rather than sound out complicated ideas in which it could somehow be established that with your 14,400 experiments done, one should get exactly the same message for all of them.

      Calling something "pseudoscience" isn't getting the science done - it is simply relying on woo-slinging to act as a barrier against one having to do the science for oneself - by applying an inappropriate slogan to the process.

      You have your mind - use it.

      10,000 minds and public hand-outs in the billions are not necessary, in order that something can move from being called "pseudoscience" to being referred to as 'Actual Science"

      All you need to do is create your own ComList and place word-strings as line entries into that.
      Be sure to include things which are near and dear to your own subjective experience as a human being - things like events which were life changing in some way for you, things to do with your career choices and interests related to that. Even things that only you will understand in the reading.

      Presently my ComList has 3573 line entries - so replicate your own list to be around that length.

      As shown throughout this thread, I have used different selection processes, not just the one you mentioned - and the one I use the most often, can be seen being used in recent posts I have made.

      Only after you have got to this point and tried it our for yourself a number of times, will you be able to give an account of your results and show us whether you were able to generate coherent messages through that system, or not.

      It is difficult to find individuals who are willing to do the science - as simply as it is, it still requires commitment and effort - but that in itself does not mean that the science cannot be done.

      I have found one person - a theist - who has been willing to try it out and she has been impressed by the results - so at least I know of one other person this works for.

      There may be other readers who are doing so quietly to see for themselves...

      As to Master ColdFire - it is interesting to me that you brought this up as there is evidence here on this message board in the sub-forum "Around The Camp-Fire" which I will continue to review in regard to the recent GMs, and the connection re reference to events which happened over 2 years ago... I will be posting my findings about that, here, soon.
      GM: The Next World
      "Despite all the dangers, Hess lands safely"
      T-Shirts

      William:



      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87649#p1087649

      William: FTL
      [Replying to Diogenes in post #245]

      It is easy to see how the concept of the soul arose before we had any idea of how the brain worked and that physical things like trauma and drug use affected our consciousness
      Whoa ! Steady on with the placement of the cart here Diogenes.

      A brain soaked in Consciousness is one thing, but follyish to then assume from that, that trauma and drugs "affect our consciousness" when clearly what is being affected is the brain.
      It is the brain which is affected and consciousness is wide awake along for the ride.

      "Physical things" are just how Human Brains "see" things, and Human Brains don't just look like this;



      But more to the actual point, they look like this;



      Since Humans and Drugs converged, wherever one is on the Face of the Planet, one has astoundingly similar experiences and those experiences have to do with why theistic beliefs manifested in the early epoch of Human Development...because Human consciousnesses under the influence of drugs which reduced the brains capacity to control 'what one sees' what one see's is done so in the most coherently vividly lucid manner which bypasses any damaged circuitry of the whole brain. Human Brain-Consciousness is undamaged and thus experiences everything in living colour and what is experienced is reported and added to the list of evidence re 'Things of The Mind.

      [=276]
      Human Brain-Consciousness
      Redefinition of the human being
      All things created are of the mind
      All spun from the same Yarn
      Conformal Cyclic Cosmology

      The focus on the Brain needs to be of secondary importance to the focus on the Consciousness using the brain, otherwise it is 'brain before consciousness/cart before horse follysee...
      GM: Becoming whole
      Sober journey into self-realization

      William: Becoming whole Sober journey into self-realization = 528
      Thank you for sharing your wonderful system. = 528


      GM: On the off-chance
      Communicating
      The Bridge of Forgiveness
      Shape
      Crying Over Spilt Milk
      Conceptual Art
      A GOD in The Making

      William: A GOD in The Making Conceptual Art = 287
      [287]
      Great Humour and Enjoyment
      That is very interesting


      GM: You Have That Gleam In Your Eye
      Life Principles of Sovereign Integral
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80497#p1080497

      William: FTL;
      Quote Originally Posted by Rose2020 post_id=1080136 time=1654071799 user_id=16057
      Communication with the dead.
      Why would anyone wish to do that?
      There would be a number of reasons. For me it was motivated by the knowledge that I was getting shallow and often dubious communication with the living, even in relation to opinions about the dead.
      I decided that I would give 'the dead' an opportunity to show they had more to offer.

      Is it through grief with attendant emotions? In which case it is understandable but irrational.
      The use of Talking Boards gained popularity in the US, shortly after the Civil War because of the great social grief experienced at fathers and sons/husbands and siblings lost in the fighting...people wanted to know that their loved-ones were alright and talking boards seemed to provide some closure and healing in that regard.

      The name Ouija is a combination of the French “oui” and German “ja,” both meaning “yes.” It was patented in 1892 but primitive models date back to ancient times. Talking boards, also known as spirit boards, gained popularity in the United States during the late 1860s as mournful users attempted to communicate with the Civil War dead.{SOURCE}
      Or is it idle curiosity without reason?
      Curiosity [no matter how idle] always involves reason.

      A warning about Ouija
      University of Akron professor Oscar E. Olin, an ordained Universalist minister and instructor of philosophy and social sciences, was a major skeptic of Ouija.

      Voices from beyond the grave? What complete balderdash.

      He feared that the boards could cause psychological harm among those who developed too close an attachment.

      “Many people, falling victims to its lure, have been mentally unbalanced,” he said. “Just as one may go insane over too close application to any one subject, so the Ouija board has its danger for the credulous, the superstitious, the hysterically inclined.”

      So imagine Olin’s surprise when he tried Ouija and the planchette moved.

      He was toying with the board when, to his curiosity, the indicator seemed to spell out a word. He was alone at the time, so he couldn’t blame anyone else.

      The professor developed a theory: Perhaps his fingers had acted on unconscious impulses from the brain. Ignoring his own advice on developing too close an attachment, he began to conduct “exhaustive experiments” with Ouija boards.

      “Although I certainly did not practice conscious fraud on myself, I found that I was able to get frequently startling sentences from the board as long as I could see what was being spelled,” he explained.

      To test his hypothesis, he constructed his own talking board that included several common words as well as letter groupings that made it easier to form sentences. But he also added an adjustable screen that could block his view of the board.

      Ouija seemed positively verbose without the obstruction.

      “The moment I adjusted the screen in place, however, that moment the messages were effectually cut off,” Olin said.

      He invited several self-proclaimed mediums to test the apparatus, but no one was able to produce any messages when the screen was drawn and their vision was blocked, he said.

      “This convinces me that practically all Ouija board messages are the result of causes far closer to this world than the realm of spirits,” he said.
      Which explains the showmanship of mediums, an entertainment. Mainly a con in my view. Think of people such as James Randi who debunked many an unfortunate con artist.
      Perhaps we might be better off if there were folk like James Randi in ancient times who could have debunked famous biblical characters promoting their particular cons.

      To my mind it is unhealthy and dangerous to delve in matters that promise to be detrimental. I see no good coming from it.
      The promise of the detrimental came much later than when talking boards first gained popularity. There use was for more respectable pursuits than later on when a simple board was developed and branded "Ouija" and one can trace the source of the demonizing to modern day Christianity, which had already misrepresented the image of Lucifer sufficiently, and this helped to promote the detrimental within societies influence by Christianity.

      The Bible warns us to have no connection with mediums and such, I believe the Bible is giving excellent advice.
      You believe that the advice to kill such folk is "excellent advice"?

      Leave well alone that which is a natural necessary process.
      If we took that advice, we would be far worse off than we are today, because we would not question the things which Christianity has told us are true, and those days of taking the word of con-artists armed with bibles is on the decrease as we place aside the superstitious ideas based in supernatural suppositions. It is human nature and ability which are natural and necessary, and folk like James Randi would not have been able to uncover the fraudulent practices of con-artist without that.

      We live, we must die. Acceptance is the only real peace. Even if you could communicate with those gone, what good could it do?
      What good does it supposedly do when Christians claim to communicate with Jesus?
      GM: People Don't Like To Be Judged
      William's
      “But you will know the more you get in touch with your transcendental mind (and therefore truth) that there is no such thing as a victim. The negative benefits you more than anything else in your evolution and the evolution of all that is.”
      Action Consciousness Incarnates Intelligent Directions The Mainstream Program Story-Tellers Trustworthy
      Navigational Aids

      William: Trustworthy Navigational Aids = 365
      [365]
      Is life on earth being lived as it should be?
      Learning to swim is learning to fly
      Trustworthy Navigational Aids
      Everything can be reduced to mathematics
      You Are Allowed To Laugh You Know

      GM: Interpretation
      Meeting an Extraterrestrial
      Entity encased in a Planet
      Saturnalia [an ancient Roman festival and holiday in honour of the god Saturn]

      Any "God hypothesis" is not justified if it assumes we exist within a creation before showing that this is the actual case.
      The Neutral Zone
      Purpose
      Key

      William: Key Purpose The Neutral Zone = 335
      One Language Intelligent Network = 335

      GM: SA Brownshirts
      Resistance to that realization isn't helpful re aligning with it.
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70229#p1070229


      William: FTL;
      [Replying to Miles in post #129]

      No mention of "limbs" in Genesis 3:14 whatsoever. Moreover:
      The implication is clearly there in that the Garden God is attributed in Genesis 3:14 with punishing the Serpent with a curse which makes the serpent a belly-crawler.
      You appear to be arguing that it was always a belly-crawler, which is not following the storyline, and therefore your argument cannot be accepted as valid.

      ser·pent
      /ˈsərpənt/

      noun: serpent; plural noun: serpents
      1. literary a large snake.
      source: Oxford Languages Dictionary
      ___________________

      Genesis 3:14
      So the Lord God said to the snake, “You did this very bad thing, so bad things will happen to you. It will be worse for you than for any other animal. You must crawl on your belly and eat dust all the days of your life.

      Snakes don't have legs.
      Nor do they speak human languages.

      I would caution anyone not to accept that because nowadays 'Serpent' means 'snake' [according to some dictionaries] that this means one can rightfully manipulate the story to align with the modern day meaning of the word.

      The word used in the garden story was "Serpent" and what it is described as prior to the Gods curse upon it - is definitely NOT a snake.
      GM: "Zero" does not actually represent "nothing" because "nothing" does not exist and so cannot be represented.
      Linda and William
      Breaking bad habits
      Antic
      "I guess it is just us, Master ColdFire"
      Embrace
      Time And Space

      07:05
      [ Stop. Listen. Observe.
      Delightful Anticipation
      My alarm bells are ringing
      Imposed Appropriates
      The Judgement Algorithm
      Penetrate The Bidden Zone
      For the benefit of all beings
      The Navigator Can Read Maps.
      Independent Commitment]

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      Daffodil: I just wanted to mention that if your new avatars (or however you think of them) are your own art, I like the style. I guess I do even if they're not your own, but I like the idea that you drew them, too.


      William: My Grand Daughter drew the ones I use representing The Other, [currently with tussock on its head] The Atheist [Red] and The Theist [blue]

      Mostly the memes are created using internet art plus images I create and morphed together depending on how the storyline I am using develops...so these are presented in a type of comic strip manner...

      The story unfolding is that;

      in it's ongoing journey of discovery it's path has been blocked by the monstrosities of Atheism



      and Theism;



      and conceals itself under a tussock bush



      while trying to find the way to pass the blockade.



      I think that the process allows me to say a lot in a succinct manner...

      Thanks for your comment.



      Daffodil: That makes it so much better! I'm glad I asked. Have a good day.
      [/quote]

      _____________________
      120922 [Intelligence Without Wisdom]



      SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle

      Preamble
      Tied To The Moon Mindfulness - Light the spark - Everything is The Expression Of The Creator [The Freedom Of Friendship] - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...89853#p1089853 - The More We Do Away With Falsity ~ The Better Equipped We Are With Truth. - A Degenerative Force to Existence - Recipe

      AP= [=Collective Dynamics Unus Mundus [= a primordial unified reality from which everything derives.]]

      [Collective Dynamics Unus Mundus = 361]
      [Three Six One = 142]

      [142]
      Fearlessness
      Get Comfortable
      Post ignored
      Forty Two
      Self-discipline
      New Years Eve
      The Ishango bone
      Source Sync
      Nurturing
      Madventures
      Don’t fall asleep
      Soul Has an Agenda
      Copper snakes
      Communicating
      Redefine Oneself

      RSP = SCLx4 Page 314

      08:17 [The Confusion of War]

      Page 314
      GM: If these separate theories are really true, then they should ultimately come together into some master theory.
      Unnecessary Tangent

      William:
      In the case of the diagram, the "Unnecessary Tangents" are positions are D and F [Atheism and Theism] - the one thread [E] which doesn't stray far from the initial position [absolute ignorance ] moves in a straight line to the common default end. [G]

      GM: Translucent [transmitting and diffusing light so that objects beyond cannot be seen clearly. b : clear, transparent translucent water. 2 : free from disguise or falseness]
      Sound
      Constructing some type of reality experience in which I could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Myself
      Explain


      William: As we have talked about before - re "Sound & Creation of things"
      The Effect of Sound and The Universe
      [Replying to Miles in post #7]

      Q: Does Sound Create The Universe.

      non-Theist: Nope. Why should it? I know, I know, god can do anything and in any way he wishes, but one has to ask why he would bother with the speaking part when ostensibly all that would be needed is a simple willing it to be so, as in the very beginning when "God made from nothing the heavens and the earth." with no mention of having had to say a thing.

      William: When we 'will' something, this involves language and from that, imagery. While this of course happens internally and therefore we [each of us who can do so] are subjective witnesses to the fact that we 'hear' our inner 'voice' and from that, create said images, we understand it as a real process.

      We can - from that point - use material [condensed Quantum Particle] which is already available, in order to make that which we image into something tangible. We call this process "invention".

      The sound God made, can be understood in that same way, and explain what 'in the image of' means, re Humans.
      We have the same ability to create things in our mind [ideas] which one would expect in a Universe which shows us that frequencies and patterns are involved in how things are formed. Everything is a micro to its macro.

      What we call 'reality' may well be something which exists in the mind of [a] God.
      GM: No thought about fate or of ending up late Yet I still like to think where I'm going
      Not Right
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...90647#p1090647

      William: FTL;

      [Replying to tam in post #99]



      Well, the example is there to help us (man).
      That is an after effect .
      In the real-time re the story, "WHO was GOD trying to teach?"

      But the account PUBLICLY rebutted the PUBLIC accusation that the Adversary had made (as pertains to Job), showing anyone watching or listening that the Adversary was wrong, was proven wrong.
      The public were the adversary, not Satan. That is a side issue re human involvement in the interplay between God and Satan....re my mentioning;



      The account allowed Job to answer for himself, so there can be no question as to his integrity.
      Job was not consulted by either God or Satan as far as I am aware. Are you able to direct me to the passages where God or Satan consult Job before settling on a deal which involved Job?



      Satan isn't testing God. This was not a test for God. Satan is not a mirror for God, or a co-creator, or even a Son (the Son is Christ < - the actual and true image of God). Satan is OUR accuser, OUR adversary, and he seeks to destroy us (mankind, and in particular, anyone who belongs to Christ, to God). He is an enemy.
      I suspect that this thinking has evolved through The Christianities attempting to un-slur the image of GOD as presented by the Israelites/Hebrews but has been unsuccessful in getting humans any closer to understanding GOD in the image of יהוה.

      The mirror image of this process can be seen in how Early Christians understood the image of Satan as per the Hebrew Script - to appear as such;

      and it was only much later that The Christianites reshaped Satan to appear as such;


      This being the case, The Christianities have also evolved the image of GOD, from;



      On that count, I have no choice but to reject your reasoning as it is based upon falsified imagery.
      GM: William's
      Ask...
      The Christchurch EQ
      Is Like...
      “If you're looking for something more in life, you're likely to find it in something less.”
      A lot of weird things have been happening...
      When Done Say "Done"
      Freeing the soul
      The Subject
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...62167#p1062167

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #97]

      The quicker way to say that is "God" is the "Life" - and more comprehensively, the consciousness which experiences the nature of the Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation [HERS] and learns through said experience of that nature, ways in which to 'make the experience easier' and thus morals evolve through the natural course of nature unfolding re consciousnesses involvement within said nature.

      That way, the 'gap' is filled...

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...75267#p1075267

      William: FTL;
      Quote Originally Posted by nobspeople post_id=1075260 time=1650477255 user_id=15266
      Quote Originally Posted by William post_id=1075256 time=1650475961 user_id=8427
      Quote Originally Posted by nobspeople post_id=1075234 time=1650450291 user_id=15266
      Quote Originally Posted by William post_id=1075191 time=1650406963 user_id=8427
      [Replying to nobspeople in post #2348]

      Personally, I believe god was created in man's image and in a male dominated society of the time, god was thusly 'male' in its description.
      But let's take the happy trolley to what I'll call 'imagination-land', where god created everything.
      Again, in a male dominated society of the time the bible was written, it would make sense for men to write about god as a male.
      There are cultures on this planet that, even today, have more than one gender.
      So for someone to expect god to be only 'male or female' seems, at best, reflective of the culture in which one currently lives IMO
      How that relates to 'paradise'.....? Maybe there, it will be non-binary, genderless or androgynous? Maybe everyone will look the same, sound the same, think the same... that may be paradise for some?
      Obviously the culture will have to shift from the male-dominated one to the shared one [whatever that might be] and would be all-inclusive for that.
      I would rather not have sex-organs in such a paradise - not just because they appear to be so connected re the problems of the world - but more realistically, there would be no more need to 'go forth and multiply' since no one will be dying anymore.

      My preference re 'what is paradise' re 'living forevermore on this one planet' would be to have the ability to exist through all forms simultaneously, know all thoughts being thought at all times and be able to direct the progress of the population toward ensuring continuous peace and harmony.
      Good points. I wonder if this 'paradise' would be much different than what many would like to believe.
      People believe all sorts of conflicting things.

      They think that YHWH built something good which then somehow got spoiled by something evil.

      What they are really saying through their stories, is that they don't like some things that are part of the creation, so they want those things removed.

      Perish the thought of having to live forever without good old heterosexual sex...they probably would even resist being in the form of the opposite gender to what they are at present... I suppose what is Good in YHWHs eyes, isn't necessarily good according to everyone, and so 'stories get made up'.

      Until ganna be gets here, its all just ganna be no show and nothing to tell except beliefs shaped in dissatisfaction and condemnation...
      Maybe
      As you said, people believe all sorts of conflicting things....
      Well until it happens, such things remain beliefs.

      Wishful thinking.

      Signs of dissatisfaction with the world YHWH created and demanding better - with the perks of course.

      Like being married to the same person forever or being the same sex forever because that is what being 'good' is all about.

      I would rather be a robot with a mind of its own, and deal with the fact of being on this planet forever as an opportunity to lay aside that which is unnecessary and perhaps even use these humans who still cling to the old good, to my advantage by having them live the way they believe is good while they enjoy the paradise I built for them while they slept.

      Like a Shepard with his sheep, corralled so that they have no knowledge of the ones they despised so willfully in the name of GOOD, they are doomed to a forever on this planet while the rest fly free and enjoy the fruits of The Grand Galaxy.

      It is a fitting sentence for such. Justice.
      GM: Convenient
      Virtues Vehicle Extreme
      End Of Act I
      Use Heart
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84036#p1084036

      William: FTL;
      AB: The problem with making nature or biology the foundation of objective morality is that then it justifies the psychopaths or the male lions that kill the other male lions and their offspring just so they can take over the pride. Both are following their nature or biology. At best, I think we can say that morality is part of nature, but that alone does not tell us which morals are good or bad.

      William: Q: "What is it about humans which has the ability to comprehend a [supposed] "Perfect World", which is so obviously different from the real world?"

      We search for answers...

      What have our sciences done to answer this question?

      Or is it a matter that our sciences are being used specifically like unto the male lions, suppressing the main herd while they go about sailing into a particular direction they have selected for themselves?

      For the herd notes, [for example] that as grandiose as the latest space telescope is - hurtling and unfurling [fully shaded] toward it's destination some million miles out and, simply to peer into the secrets of the past to 'try and understand'...the herd understands that the money could be 'better spent' on creating a perfect world here in the heart of imperfection - so why is that not been done?

      Why is the rest of the herd being experimented on and used for that one purpose?

      Just so a few lions can have their names recorded for all time?

      Is that moral?
      GM: A Bit Of Cat And Mouse
      All of life

      William: All of Life a bit of Cat and Mouse = 247
      [247]
      Those who lack belief in gods
      Recover what was lost
      No Country For Old Men
      Much pain but still time
      All of Life a bit of Cat and Mouse
      The Ancient grey entity
      When the dust settles
      The Never Ending Story
      Two sides of the same coin

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70222#p1070222


      William: FTL;
      [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #98]
      Then the claimant should be able to show the universe was created, without invoking some entity that's immune to the requirement of having been created itself.

      Why do you think that is even a logical request to be demanding? The 'claim' as far as this thread subject is addressing is more a simple logical observation. Something which came into existence, cannot have logically done so from nothing.
      To believe that it did, is really where the special pleading is coming from.

      I contend my argument stands to logic, where folks claim the universe was created, they should be able to show it was.
      That is actually illogical Mr.Knothead. for two reasons;

      1: The idea that the universe popped out of nowhere is special pleading
      2: The logical observation that the universe must have being made out of something must imply it was set into motion by something else. "Created".

      Logically, the universes existence is the very thing which should show one that the universe was created.
      Unless you can prove that the universe has always existed, I have no choice but to accept your argument as unsupported opinion, of the special pleading variety.

      To kick that off;
      Re: your statement "This raises the question of wherefrom comes the creator."
      Q: Why does something which has not been shown to have had a beginning, have to be assumed it ever had one?
      It disregards the universe existing in a prior form.
      No it does not.
      It is possible that the universe has always existed in this manner, but does not assume that the shape that it takes in its manifestation is simply a mindless process, rather than a mindful purposeful reinvention of itself from the one state to the next - and has been happening like that eternally as in - it has always existed as something which begins and ends and begins again ad infinitum essentially meaning that it has never begun or ended at all. All along, mindfully creating itself into whatever it wills to.

      Bonus question ;
      Re the thread topic;
      Q: Why should Creatio ex nihilo be accepted as something other than special pleading?
      I don't think it should. Where one proposes a god's involvement, they should be expected show that's what happened.
      Well at least we agree on that.
      The Tanager claims that a God created the universe from nothing...he is not the only theist to makes such a claim.
      But just as interestingly, there are also a number on non-theists who also believe that the universe had a beginning and that it popped into existence from nowhere.

      The only minor difference between the two similar belief systems is that the theist who believes in this, claims a "God" made it magically happen, whereas the non-theist who believes in this, claims that it just magically happened.
      But like I said, they both believe that it - an obvious something - came from nothing.

      aka. Special Pleading by both parties.

      Logically The Mind/consciousness/self awareness is therefore that which shapes the matter which we call "The Universe" - and anyone who does not think that the universe has a mind, is not paying attention to the one piece of evidence which indisputably shows that mind and matter interrelate as The Ghost and The Machine.
      GM: Teaching Music
      Tabula Rasa
      Psychic

      William: Tabula Rasa Psychic = 179
      [179]
      Tabula Rasa Psychic
      Arm up - Fight battle
      No Doubt about It
      Stay the course
      Spirituality
      Make a list for that
      Psychic powers
      The Garden Story
      Well Its A Start
      Livingstone Hall
      Laugh in the face of death
      We Are All Becoming One
      The Great Unwashed

      GM: Making friends with your mind
      Our Neutral Ground

      William: Our Neutral Ground Making friends with your mind = 533
      The Cosmic Mind is made up of differing levels of intelligence = 533


      GM: The art of relationship
      Penetrate The Bidden Zone

      William: Penetrate The Bidden Zone The art of relationship = 474
      [474]
      The self arranging is a flag signifying mindfulness.
      Penetrate The Bidden Zone The art of relationship
      Fear-Based Thinking Ensures You Get To Know It
      The outward expression of an inward reality.
      I do have something substantial to work with.

      GM: The Trinity of Love are three things operating as One Thing
      Start From Scratch
      They just add ambiance to the spooky...
      Tai chi
      Comparison
      10Q
      The Light in The Dark Everyone a great spark every one of us all here together
      Mysterious process
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81586#p1081586

      William: FTL;
      If mathematics cannot describe a system of "True Free Will" this may be because such a system does not actually exist?
      [Replying to Inquirer in post #86]

      Yes that could be the case except for the fact that I know I have free will, as I said it is a self evident truth. So my free will cannot be computed mathematically (because it must be non-deterministic) it is not computable.
      As an Agnostic my position re The Question "Does True Free Will Exist?" is "Lack of any current information to establish certainty"

      Also, the focus is on the The Question, so am I to assume your claim of having free will corresponds with your belief that TRUE free will exists, and that you consider no difference between your 'free will' and what you previously referred to as "true free will"?

      From the Agnostic position;
      I accept that your belief that a person has will, as valid.
      I remain undecided in relation to your belief that will is free, as it appears that will is only free, relative to the environment which constrains said will.
      In that, I can accept the term 'free will' but not the term 'true free will'.

      Why is it unreasonable to you?
      Because I am in the Agnostic position re The Question.

      We are faced with free will being real (I have it anyway, even if you don't)
      I have this 'free will' but acknowledge that it is only 'free', relative to the environment it is operating within.

      we are faced with free will being non-determinism, we are faced with the laws of nature being deterministic and so we are faced with how to explain that a physical system (me) can behave non-deterministically when all the parts I'm built from behave deterministically.
      I do not view this as any kind of dilemma as I can accept the deterministic nature of the environment my will operates within, and that it appears to be operating independently of said deterministic environment.

      However, the position of Agnosticism also accepts that things are not always as they appear to be, because ones personal beliefs have a way in which information becomes filtered through said beliefs, allowing for a distorted image rather than a real one.
      Agnosticism allows for deeper investigation - taking a closer look, like a detective with a magnifying glass...the pipe, and indeed the substance being smoked, is not necessarily necessary to that end, but perhaps helpful nonetheless.
      Removing filters of belief however, are necessary, in order that any image thus presenting, is not distorted.

      Positing God who has will, intent as the source of this non-determinism seems entirely reasonable and rational, what alternative, better explanation can you think of for explaining the presence of non-determinism in systems that are constructed from parts that are strictly deterministic?
      Agnosticism accepts the validity of the possibility the environment we exist within is indeed a created one {a creation}, implying therefore, that there is a creator.
      The position of Agnosticism also requires questions are asked, pertaining to the identity of supposed creator, which is why I asked;

      What is this 'God' you are referring to? Some religious image?
      GM: Process
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7ZlXD7COMU [34:30…]

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...89180#p1089180


      William: FTL;
      [Replying to historia in post #80]

      Also, not every discussion on this forum is strictly for/against Christianity, like the broad question of whether God exists, or, you know, this thread. In many of those discussions, the distinction between atheism and agnosticism remain important, as you already agreed.

      So I don't see a compelling reason in your responses to collapse them together.
      From what I think I understand so far, on the question of whether a creator [GOD] exists, a person who say's "maybe-maybe not" is categorized as a "weak atheist" by atheists, due to the not knowing and not having faith so not believing.

      It is a simple matter of belief, because if there is a Creator GOD - there is no direct way of knowing and there is no sure way of showing any indirect way if there is or not.

      The term "weak atheist" appears to be derogatory in relation to being a strong atheist, who appear to be those who have taken the step into believing that a Creator GOD does not exist, and expressing that belief into the community.

      I think that perhaps some agnostics have a problem with accepting the term "weak" as it implies they are apathetic, indifferent, [stuff like that] and those ones at least are making efforts to examine the question and have not reached a point where they feel they can honestly make a choice either way.

      I have also observed that many ex- theists who have chosen to become [proselyte] strong atheists are among the most outspoken in their zeal to preach their new message - the message that a Creator GOD does not exist and think it is reasonable to assume that they were also outspoken when they believed that a Creator-GOD did exist.

      [I think of it therefore, in terms of personality traits.]

      When I began to question theism - specifically The Christianities - it was to do with their imaging of a Creator-GOD and when I made the move away from that, [perhaps largely due to my personality - I was never outspoken] I quietly approached the subject [Creator GOD] rather than simply abandon it "because of" theisms handling of it or any other number of reason as to why folk say they chose to become atheist.

      Which is to say, I did not choose to believe that there was no Creator-GOD simply on account of "theist behaviours" or "reading the bible" [some reasons given by some who have changed position from theist to atheist] but rather, I chose to examine the question in more detail, and today I am grateful for having made that choice.

      One thing I have learned is that the real question to be asking is not the one which separates "atheist" from "theist" [demanding that an individual must either be one or the other re the question] as believing or not believing in the existence of a Creator [and in the case of believing that there is - defining that Creator] because this step is jumping the gun and is thus a mis-step or stumble.

      So - from my position, I see both atheists and theists as having jumped the gun, and instead of working together [as people] on finding answers to the Real Question which we should be asking, they fight over the question of a Creator GOD.

      It is from that position I remain firm that I am neither theist or atheist, or for that matter - even agnostic - because the question re the existence of a Creator isn't the one I have been asking and finding out answers to.
      GM: The joy of being an Independent Conscious Intelligence connected with another ICI far greater than ones self...

      [08:51]
      [What Shall We Call It?
      Acknowledge the Agreeable
      Conscious Dreaming
      Wish fulfillment
      I share your joy!
      Making Things Easier
      Shepherding Moons
      Links And Symbols
      The Prime Directive]

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      As has been pointed out, atheism doesn't get to be so special that it can mean two different things.
      The confusion about it's definitions can be traced to this declaring that it can cover two differing positions in order to force us to accept that there can only be theists or atheists re the question of GOD.

      I consider that to be a deliberate lie, in regard to those who purposefully tell it.

      "Atheism is the condition of not believing that a God or deity exists." is untrue.

      Non-theism is the condition of not believing that a God or deity exists
      Theism is the condition of believing that a God or deity exists.

      Atheism is the condition of absolute ignorance re the question of GOD. Once the question becomes understood and a deliberate choice to believe one way or the other [GOD exists or does not exist] then one shifts from being an atheist to being a non-theist or a theist, or remains undecided re the understood knowledge re the question.

      No one born, remains totally ignorant [as the default position]. Therefore no one remains an atheist.

      The idea of using the same to describe another position ["I am an atheist AND a non-theist"] is where the source of the confusion lies.

      As such, atheism is ill-defined and I am confident that I am neither atheist nor theist and that being neither is a legitimate position to hold regarding the question of GOD.


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      SCLx6 + select last LE per shuffle

      Preamble
      The Overlords [Childhoods End] - Deeper Questions Regarding Individual Existence - Tetrad - The Perfect Moment - Arcadian - Safe Harbour

      AP= [Looking behind Self-help = 208]

      [208]
      [Healing the child within
      Looking behind Self-help
      The Explanatory Gap
      Right place, right time
      Human Accomplishment
      Leaders and Followers
      The Purple Heart medal
      Theist mischief making
      Personal Boundaries
      Gods of Human Creation
      We Groove Together
      Imaginative Realities
      Above most pay grades]

      RSP = SCLx6 + "Looking behind" "Self-help" P&Px1 then Page 312

      Looking behind
      Safe Harbour
      Looking behind
      Self-help

      https://sovereignintegral.org/paper/
      Looking behind
      Overseeing Director of Operations on Earth

      It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something existed
      Looking behind
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84045#p1084045

      Shadow Volunteer
      Looking behind
      Sun energy

      "Do we exist in a creation?"
      Looking behind
      A question asked by those not wanting to know the answer

      Feature
      Looking behind
      Night

      Self-help
      Looking behind
      Self-help
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73550#p1073550

      The Supernatural and the Bible Delineating Quantum
      Self-help
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81691#p1081691

      Balance
      Self-help
      That is the Key.

      It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something
      Self-help
      You Are Provided For

      The Nature of Angels
      Self-help
      What Is Within Is Without, Equal

      Frequency Dependent Selection
      Self-help
      Honest

      06:53 [When things fall apart]

      Page 312
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...89611#p1089611

      William: FTL;
      So what's going on here? Is this sick and hateful people projecting their own faults onto others? Is it a case of "every accusation is really a confession"? Something else? All of the above?
      I think it is a case of the evolution of Human ethics and some being quicker at changing than others.
      Add to that the religious finger-pointing, those who offend from such positions are naturally regarded as the worst, and it looks worse for that, than when committed by other groups who are not preaching the same sermon, or any sermon at all.

      Once upon a time Humans behaved in such ways as a matter of nature - much like dolphins are seen to commit rape but are not seen to be sinning therein.

      Incest was normal once.

      The changes have come about through identifying actions which damage others, and seeking to do something about that.

      Rape, slavery, incest, sexual, physical, emotional, phycological abuses are slowly identified and laws enacted in order to curb the practices - some learn faster than others.

      Some Christians argue that those Christians who practice such things are not really Christians at all, citing the words of Jesus as evidence.

      Others argue that the words of Jesus being bound within the Bible alongside the words of rapists, slavers, incestual, sexual, physical, emotional, phycological abusers and that Jesus himself being reported to have caused physical distress to stall-holders in the temple and olive trees, aren't helpful to the process of learning to identify actions which damage others, and seeking to do something to cease with that type of behaviour.

      And if we regard the current warnings about climate change and heading for a possible extinction event - this time caused by humans - we might understand that none of us have the moral high-ground, regardless of what position we hold on matters of God and stuff like that.

      Perhaps too much judging and not enough doing [hypocrisy] will be the source-reason for our own extinction?
      GM: Simulation
      Counsel
      Dichotomy [a division or contrast between two things that are or are represented as being opposed or entirely different.]
      Conscious dreaming Talk Help Each Other A Bright Star
      Black Tuesday
      Think In Terms Of...
      Maxwell's demon
      Self-Awareness Stuff Happens
      The two million year old mind that's in all of us.

      William: Self-Awareness The two million year old mind that's in all of us. Stuff Happens = 770
      Always remember that you are absolutely unique. Just like everyone else = 770

      GM: Why?

      William: Regardless of the beliefs of non theism/theism, one develops character and personality.
      If there is more to experience after this experience, the character/personality entering into that -eyes wide open - is better prepared.

      GM: Mythology
      You Tube
      Enlightenment

      William: You Tube Mythology Enlightenment = 395
      [395]
      The Next World Word - String Values
      You Tube Mythology Enlightenment
      The Philosophy of Quantum Theory
      A chaotic misshapen mindless mess of a thing,
      All is a ripple effect of the Origin of Sound

      GM: Coding the sound of spoken language
      Extrinsicism [the tendency to place major emphasis on external matters rather than on more profound realities. In terms of morals and ethics, it tends to stress the external observance of laws and precepts, with lesser concern for the ultimate principles underlying moral conduct.]
      Finding ways in which to try and fix the problem of human perceptions re "GOD"
      Informing
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70902#p1070902

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to myth-one.com in post #3]

      John 4:24 wrote:
      God is a Spirit: . . ..
      And when we are born of the Spirit, we become spirits, because:
      John 3:6 wrote:
      . . . that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
      So when believers are born again of the Spirit, we will become spiritual bodied angels.
      From my own understanding [self awareness] what occurred was that humans forgot what they were [Spirit-breathed into biological matter] and identified only with the flesh-container and thought of themselves in that way - much like non-theists think of themselves as 'nothing more than chemical reactions of the brain'...or how some Christians think 'flesh that will be resurrected and given the ability to never die.'

      Apparently these two views can both be biblically supported so perhaps the different authors were writing from the bias of their particular beliefs on the matter.

      If one researches OOBEs and the like, one will find that practically everyone who ever experiences such, identify as being 'spirit' - a biblically supported idea, as you have pointed out - something biblical Jesus spoke of as a truth.

      Those Christians who do not believe such a thing, often critique OOBEs and the like as 'demonic deception' a type of religious equivalent as the woo-slinging "delusional" which non-theists love to use to 'explain' why such experience doesn't fit with their own particular beliefs about what they self identify as being.

      Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that.
      GM: Redefinition
      Throwing Down The Gauntlet
      'everybody wants to rule the world'
      Transform
      Hot
      Getting unstuck
      Heart advice
      The Deeper Reality
      Dimensional Crossovers
      Well Its A Start
      Coming closer to ourselves
      The Smallest Spark
      A machine for solving problems
      Alignment
      Metamorphosis The Need Determines the Value Dimensional Crossovers Faithful Encounters
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76206#p1076206

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to nobspeople in post #1]

      For 'discussion':
      If god exists, it allowed these contradictions to permeate its book, so the believers have to work around them.
      Given the premise that 'god' is referring to the general Christian idea of 'god'.

      Why?
      As a means by which to gauge those using that system of belief.

      What's the point for such a 'loving and all knowing' being to sow discourse and cast doubt on its own story?
      If god can prevent it but does not, then the reason will be that god has a use for it...even if we have to make educated guesses in order to attempt to answer the 'why' question.

      Help make sense of this senseless act.
      That assumes an 'afterwards' position and we cannot yet suppose that we have reached that point.
      How the question needs to read is along the lines of;
      Q: Help me make sense of something I see no sense in."

      Or is there no god at all, and the bible is a hodgepodge of slapped together fairy tales but clueless people who wish to cominate and control the masses?
      Or - the god is dealing with misinformation regarding itself and allows for that misinformation to help gauge those using that system of belief as the only information they themselves gauge god with.

      To cominate and control the masses, is an indirect way in which to influence god for as long as allowed to do so.

      Perhaps there is something to the 'gauging' the god does in the way that god does so - a special something which identifies those who actually know god from those who know only misinformation about god.
      Perhaps the god seeks to see itself within all those being gauged...and the 'special something' is that thing it seeks, been found...

      But to suggest "there is no god at all", jumps to conclusions...
      GM: Nothing comes from nothing - everything which can be seen to have a beginning comes from something.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jsj7K6E0Fg
      Put My Finger On
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjoH1ZZrAik
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeaWkX_ASkI
      Counteracted
      Brother
      We Groove Together
      All Is As It Should Be
      Comment
      Do Not Panic
      It is always a warm fuzzy
      The Factor of Integrity and Alignment
      Down through the ages - dark in the gloom Many convinced it will all end in doom The Galactic Garden is forever in bloom








      William: Well...for as long as it takes at least, and there is no telling that it won't reinvent itself as per "The Last Question" [Isaac Asimov]

      GM: "The Last Question" + P&P =
      The Last Question

      ET and the notion of GODs
      The Last Question
      Fireside Metaphor

      Government secrets kept from the public
      The Last Question
      Communication is key

      Construction
      The Last Question
      Those

      We Are All Becoming One
      The Last Question
      Matter and psyche are one and the same.

      On Your Own
      The Last Question
      You Trust My Navigation

      https://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/vvi...village-93245/
      The Last Question
      What Is Our Purpose

      07:12
      [First Things First
      Closer to The Source
      Who woulda thought! ]

      [205]
      Like Tracks in Stone
      Unconditional Love
      We oppose deception
      The Last Question
      The objective standard
      Afraid of The Unknown
      Welcome all experience
      All fingers and thumbs
      The Same Information
      YHVH in particular
      The Last Question

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      [Replying to TRANSPONDER in post #132]

      The idea of GOD orbits ones perspective.

      I did not say "assuming it's benevolent". I said that the assumption is based upon a misinterpretation of nature by judging nature through the lens of 'good and evil' which are absolutely constructs of the mind rather than something nature has somehow 'shown' us.

      As Old Badger pointed out;


      I assign this to the localized event we all know is taking place here on this one planet;

      Re that - my position on the matter;



      Couple that with biblical concepts and Father YHWH isn't too far off the mark in relation to the portrayal of how a GOD would behave if it was a people-making planet.

      I am not claiming that the Earth is a receptacle for a conscious entity but have seen no reason as yet, to why the idea shouldn't on the table as a possible truth...

      ...I continue to investigate...joining the dots through my subjective experience of it and stating opinions re the data from the Other position I am at.


      140922 [Creative Conscious Intelligence ]



      SCLx10 + select last LE per shuffle

      Preamble
      Miracle - Relationship True Colors On all fronts - Bond - Angelic Agenda - Christendom - An Elder Race - Wampus Cat - Ancient Grey Entity - Solar Plexus - The Power Of Creation
      AP= [Thoughts Are Products Of...Development/Growth = 501]
      [501]
      [As the evidence for its reality is actively collected. = 501]

      Thoughts Are Products Of...

      Development/Growth
      Thoughts Are Products Of...
      Access

      “Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma – which is living with the results of other people's thinking.”
      Thoughts Are Products Of...
      Paradise on Earth

      Thoughts Are Products Of...
      Access
      People Judge People


      Thoughts Are Products Of...
      Paradise on Earth
      The situation we find ourselves lost within

      Thoughts Are Products Of...
      A Machine For Solving Problems
      Opening the Heart

      Thoughts Are Products Of...
      You Are
      Consciousness itself is fundamental to all our virtual realities

      Thoughts Are Products Of...
      The Earths Moon
      Bonded

      Thoughts Are Products Of...
      Barbarous
      Effulgent

      Thoughts Are Products Of...
      The Barest Hint of Constancy
      Living our forefather's conflict

      Thoughts Are Products Of...
      Balance of power
      A word in edgeways

      Thoughts Are Products Of...
      With a small nervous cough - the wedding was off - we could all sense a change in the weather
      Break Through to Your True Self

      Thoughts Are Products Of...
      Clear your mind
      The Setting

      Development/Growth
      Development/Growth
      Thoughts Are Products Of...
      Access

      Development/Growth
      The Law
      One can simply shrug and tell oneself “It doesn't really matter"

      Development/Growth
      Talking the talk
      Ill

      Development/Growth
      Vitriolic
      Open Your Heart

      Development/Growth
      The Enigma Code
      The Brother Shining light Love and respect

      Development/Growth
      Hallucinations
      Joining

      Development/Growth
      Mahu Nahi
      Group Hallucination

      Development/Growth
      Ness
      Command

      Development/Growth
      Blunt the edge off that particular blade...
      Final Destination


      RSP = SCLx10 Page 316

      08:27 [ One's Thoughts I Will]

      Page 316
      GM: Seductive Light
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83877#p1083877

      William: FTL;
      Re: Weird and confusing things non-theists claim about atheism
      [Replying to William in post #13]

      Questions I would ask this atheist, re his position and why I would ask.


      Listening to your commentary in your video's to do with things atheists shouldn't say, I think your position is closer to Natural Neutral than to Atheism.

      The problem [as I see it] with atheism as it has evolved is that it is primarily described as a position of lacking belief in GODs.

      Atheists describe themselves in relation to the generic position - "Lacking belief in GODs - which is why you think of yourself as an Atheist - because you know that you lack belief in GODs...

      However, the subject of belief in GODs is not fundamental to the question of existence...therefore any belief or lack of belief in GODs is not fundamental to the question of existence...but rather, a subset of the question "Do we exist within a creation?"

      In other words, the argument for or against the existence of GODs relies upon the fundamental requirement of first establishing whether we exist within a creation...and since this has yet to be established one way or the other, the subject of GODs has to remain of secondary consideration - something to ask after the fundamental question "Do we exist within a creation", is answered.


      With that in mind, I quote you;
      "If I died right now and found out that there really is a GOD, I'd maintain that my lack of belief in GOD was reasonable during my life.
      To the best of my knowledge there isn't sufficient evidence to conclude that GOD exists.
      There very well could be information that proves GODs existence out there, but since I don't have it and can't find it by my best efforts, it's reasonable for me not to hold a belief in GOD right now."
      As an atheist you are free to think that way in accordance with the position "lacking belief in GODs"

      However, on the question "Do we exist in a creation"

      To say;
      "If I died right now and found out that I really had been existing within a creation, I'd maintain that my lack of belief in that, was reasonable during my life. To the best of my knowledge there isn't sufficient evidence to conclude that we exist within a creation. There very well could be information that proves we exist within a creation, but since I don't have it and can't find it by my best efforts, it's reasonable for me not to hold such a belief right now."

      becomes unreasonable in relation to being an atheist as it is lacking belief that one exists within a creation rather than lacking belief in GODs

      I understand that one might consider the two questions variations one each other...however, it still depends of the fundamentals, in which case, the revelation upon death that ones prior existence was within a creation only begs the question re the existence of GODs and any entity approaching you claiming to be the creator of said creation, cannot simply be accepted on his/her/its word.

      More information would be required before one could agree with the entity...


      Do you see and can you share in the logic in my rational to the point where you can abandon your "full time activist atheist" position for something more suitable re The Question "Do we exist within a creation?"
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...75865#p1075865

      William: FTL;
      Quote Originally Posted by JehovahsWitness post_id=1075858 time=1650927061 user_id=6111
      Quote Originally Posted by Miles post_id=1075855 time=1650924962 user_id=4854
      If you're trying to imply the Bible, one of his works, is perfect, ...
      I don't have to imply anything, the scriptures are there in black and white.

      JWa


      Since when did the words of otseng become part of the black and white you refer to as 'scripture'?

      Rather, what otseng provided in the words of the image you provided, is a fort in which Christians do not have to be harassed by those who are tasked with questioning the bible.
      The bible is simply referred to as something "not having to prove itself true, in this setting."

      As to the shenanigans of in-house sword-play, this is all the fort provides. Simply a place where the Christian Soldiers of the denominational barracks have in which to air their particular 'interpretations' of a thing they believe is beyond question.

      Of course, none of the interpretations can be proven as true, and can be challenged up to the point where those being challenged make protest that 'the truth' is being questioned in an environment designed to enable that not to happen. They conflate 'The Truth" of the bible, with "Their interpretation" of the bible.

      One could even be sad about such shenanigans until one realizes the futility of feeling sorry for those who hide from truth by declaring something to be true which has never been proven true.

      Their destinies await them, be these rewards in heaven, or inheriting the game play on Earth.

      Forever marooned upon an Island in the midst of an ocean they will never be permitted to have access to....while remaining blissfully unaware of the true nature of their internment and praising YHWH for their good fortune.
      GM: You Are Allowed To Laugh You Know
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pup3s86oJXU – “spacetime doesn’t really exist” [15:00]
      Intransigence [refusal to change one's views or to agree about something]
      Contact
      Free your soul
      Crop Circles
      Eisegeting [place meaning on a text which is not originally or inherently present in the text ...]
      Selected from the invisible realm of the mind, and 'presto!"
      "Hoot"
      The Gospel of Judas
      Salinas crop circle
      Agreeable
      Embarrassing
      Comprehend
      Advice

      William: Comprehend Embarrassing Advice = 271
      [271]
      Purple Knight and Dragon Child
      Experience is the best teacher
      Comprehend Embarrassing Advice
      Communication Techniques
      Poor Intransigence People
      It is immediate, even visceral [relating to deep inward feelings rather than to the intellect.]
      Either Authored or Orphaned

      GM: Conformal Cyclic Cosmology
      Meaningful

      William: Conformal Cyclic Cosmology Meaningful = 378
      [378]
      Conformal Cyclic Cosmology Meaningful
      All The World Are Under the watchful eye
      The fundamental nature of information
      Cathedrals crumbled as wars were fought...
      Personal Participation With The One

      GM: Seduce
      Stagnation
      This Speaks of…
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80217#p1080217

      William: FRL;
      GM: The entity consciousness which is Mother Earth - is "The Creator" of the forms from Her Belly
      Solidarity
      What Are Your Thoughts On The Subject?

      William: The Mother Earth Entity is like a God in the making - learning from the inception point of complete ignorance - in ethical terms, 'not always good - not always evil'... or 'sometimes appearing Demonic and other times appearing Angelic'...

      GM: Integrate
      Some information has to be drummed into that which perceives
      Perception
      Self-reflection
      From The Source
      It’s a living thing
      I Know William
      Anchor Points
      Mechanism/Tool/Device
      William: So "Stagnation Seduce" is when one comes to a place which seems to go no where and in a type of desperation, one reaches out to the 'mystical' [that which seduces] as a means of putting some wind in the sails and getting the ship out of the doldrums...

      Stagnation Seduce = 177
      [177]
      You Can Trust
      The mark of the beast
      Soul Retrieval
      Mind Body Spirit
      Stagnation Seduce
      Turning Point
      Salinas crop circle
      On The Right Track
      Written Language.
      Playing As Children
      Sleep Paralysis
      Try to remember

      GM: Might as well just set it all at the feet of Mother Goose.
      Selfish Attitude
      July Nineteen Fifty Two Washington DC
      In Training For...
      The good question to be asking isn't 'does GOD exist?" but rather "Do we exist within a creation?"
      People seem to love to put order to chaos because that is only natural, as nature is not chaos.
      Annus horribilis
      Shamanic dreaming
      Rebirth
      Trust issues?


      William: FTL;
      [Replying to Athetotheist in post #1]

      The god-claim of the antichrist being fundamentally incompatible with so many beliefs, who would be left for the antichrist to fool?
      I think the story itself is fundamentally flawed and in order for it to have been made real, the incidences re prophecy should have all occurred before the advent of the Industrial epoch.

      Since it did not [in any obvious way] eventuate, it is highly unlikely to do so because such an event would now be understood - not only in relation to the Industrial epoch, but even more so, in relation to the Technological epoch.

      Since the rapid human advancement in knowledge of our universe, such an event cannot be seen as some type of finishing stages of warfare between mythological theist-based characters superimposing themselves into human affairs [mostly via fiction] since so much is known about related subjects such as the possibility of Extraterrestrials and the advancement of understanding the idea of Simulated Reality Experiences through human technology...those two alone cancel out any possible biblical incarnation of The Second Coming from actually happening, as woke folk add it up and declare the event as most likely a mix of both extraterrestrial intervention and holograms.

      Any declaration made by the beings about their "GOD" - status, would therefore be quite intelligently questionable.

      This is not to say that such a thing couldn't still be done. But why would it be done? To sort out the woke folk from the gullible lead?

      Why not simply stay in the background and watch how humanity handles itself?

      "For the sake of the elect of GOD?"

      Why would the EoG care for their own safety that they would pray "Enough! Sweet Jesus return!"?

      And since when have the innocents being spared the pain and horror wrought on them by the way those who have the power to do so, have done so - with not one GOD-being intervening already to cease those atrocities?

      Perhaps the atheist might declare "See! GOD is Dead!", based upon such evidence. Perhaps they do so because the alternative [Extraterrestrials mostly letting things unfold as they are without obvious interference] is too much to bear?

      Morality based ideals are the stuff of quagmires...as PK has oft enough pointed out...

      We no longer know what the future might bring, even using science based guesses. What we are waking up to, is that we also know that guessing using religious mythology is not science.

      Truth is, we never did know what the future might bring, which is why so many of those guesses were fundamentally incorrect.

      We best accept that we will either work it all out for ourselves, or we will die [as a species] not trying...

      This is known and accepted by those who are using their lives in order to at least try and preserve the human specie, that it may one day fly more willfully among the stars.

      Biologic answers are on the way out, while machine answers come marching in...
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83062#p1083062
      E=h*f
      Large Elemental Powers
      Emotional awareness Frequencies Welcoming the Unwelcome Zones of Sensitivity Show Christian mythology re Satan
      In the Mind
      Feel Be Still.
      Karma
      That Is Sad But Don't Let It Distract You
      Sit Tight
      Entities of Particular Belief Systems The bright spark illuminating the darkness
      Children of The Light
      Researching
      ...it is part of the recipe of a full authentic human experience...
      Though the Serpent rules the Shadow
      The Lord
      Here-and-now

      William: Though the Serpent rules the Shadow The Lord Here-and-now = 576
      [576]
      Though the Serpent rules the Shadow The Lord Here-and-now
      Opinions formed on very narrow fields of observation
      Acknowledging the evidence is where the tributaries converge

      GM: Often sheltered from the storm - warm my body soul and spirit feeling alright.

      William:

      08:55 [Making Up Stories
      Selfless attitude
      The sound of a Ghost
      Presence Telepathy
      Quantum Jumping
      A belly full of laughs.
      Your Thoughts
      Roller Coaster Ride
      Don't forget The Mind
      Genetic information
      Breathe In Breathe Out
      That is the truth.]

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      150922 [Limitations or Liberations]

      SCLx19 + select last LE per shuffle

      Preamble
      Slowly and Surely - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...65389#p1065389 - Confusion In The Air - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87668#p1087668 - Stand up - Psychological events - Varying - Interactive - The Ghost is acknowledged - Habit - What is antichrist? - Alive and kicking - Outposts of Form - Mind Body Soul - Two sides of the same coin Zero In On It Interpretation Narrow - Art - Unabated - Apotheosis - Pearl

      AP= [=Dying? Use Mind = 144]
      [144]
      [Zombie Jesus
      Strange Desire
      Serendipity
      Transponder
      Tremulous
      Synesthesia [the production of a sense impression relating to one sense or part of the body by stimulation of another sense or part of the body.]
      Ten Insights
      Expression
      Multiverse
      Rationality
      Up to scratch
      Textnum code
      Dying? Use Mind
      That's a good one
      William Cleaning
      Look Closely
      Real friendship
      Astral Pulse
      Inspiration]

      Dying.

      Pearl
      Dying
      Use Mind
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80578#p1080578
      Eventually - when said mind is no longer housed within the shell of the human instrument - its true colors will be revealed and what it creates for itself as a consequence won't be influenced by any concealment techniques used while it was within the shell of the human experience.
      It is interesting moving through an exponential epoch
      Dying
      Intelligence
      Sister

      Multiverse
      Dying
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84379#p1084379
      Jung may have it correct while grappling with how to present a largely invisible reality to a largely visible one.

      How are we to tell if we are 'minds within a mind'?

      I would say, we best not leave it entirely up to the brain to inform us - since the brain is as Lost In The Thought Of It All anyway...
      The Giant Wall between Theists and Atheists

      Exegesis [critical explanation or interpretation of a text, especially of scripture.]
      Dying
      Little Bird
      Age of Aquarius

      Insanity
      Dying
      Children of The Dream
      Take care of yourself

      https://wizardforums.com/threads/wil...647/post-19172
      This thing got out of hand. Lost in a glass globe back in 1974, returned but refurbished nonetheless.
      Science: A phenotype of natural freedom achieved through statistical rituals of intersubjective projections.
      God: Eshe eher eshe. Point made. Inventor of the glass globes 'n all.
      POD/592&77; pendulumThis thing got out of hand. Lost in a glass globe back in 1974, returned but refurbished nonetheless.
      Science: A phenotype of natural freedom achieved through statistical rituals of intersubjective projections.
      God: Eshe eher eshe. Point made. Inventor of the glass globes 'n all.
      POD/592&77; pendulum
      Dying
      The Power Of...
      Anger

      Look from a different angle
      Dying
      Perennial Look closer Who Knows What That Is Worth? Harmless Keep me in The Loop Little Bird
      https://www.thespaceacademy.org/2022...gBEE2etWxtGAM8
      Astrobiologists Say Planet Earth Itself Might Actually Be An Intelligent Being
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87251#p1087251
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...85943#p1085943

      William: From the link;
      GM: All Because I Had To Ask
      Making friends with your mind
      Unabated
      "The belief in a mindless Planet/Universe creates the hard problem of consciousness by refusing to deal with said problem using the mind as the very instrument in order to do so."
      Alignment
      Laugh in the face of death...and perhaps death laughs along with you...
      A naysayers opinion is of no consequence, no matter how it is stated
      Q: How does one hide a Cosmic Mind? A: Within apparent imperfection,
      Children
      Fling That Veil Aside
      Few
      To assist with strengthening the connect
      Unbiased
      What might occur?

      William: Nothing substantially different. It is less important to me than it once was. If - for some reason - most folk start to see and to connect with the invisible mind of Creation - this would have to change the world but this universe is not the mainstay as everyone ends their experience with it - at least in human form - and moves on to the next, taking with them their personal "I AM" - their personality and character - into whatever their experience will be in that next phase.

      GM: The Purpose
      The Next World
      The Shaping Of Reality
      Quantifying Information...
      Dying
      Self-confidence Core
      The Light in The Dark Everyone a great spark every one of us all here together

      Voice/Message/Communication
      Dying
      It helps make the stinky hole I was pushed through in order to get here, a purposeful experience...
      International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - The Seed of Origin
      The seed requires a backdrop which already exists in order to be be able to germinate - to release its coding.
      Consciousness itself is fundamental to all our virtual realities
      Dying
      Ipsissimus [own very self] Talk to The Razor
      Written In The Clouds

      When Done Say "Done"
      Dying
      The "Wind Woman" of your dream experience
      Co creation

      Penny Tuppence
      Dying
      In Cell 32 I Found Love In You
      The key

      International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - [Split Thread] Randomly Generated Messages
      Said another way. "There was I was where I ought - examining my conscious thought." not just having a thought for the sake of having a thought.
      Dying
      Big
      Foundation


      Short Straw
      Dying
      Boundaries
      Penetrate The Bidden Zone The Ghost is acknowledged Get To Know It

      Gasping at the incredulity of it
      Dying
      https://writings.stephenwolfram.com/...ysics-project/
      Consciousness is a topic that’s been discussed and debated for centuries. But the surprise to me is that with what we’ve learned from exploring the computational universe and especially from our recent Physics Project it seems there may be new perspectives to be had, which most significantly seem to have the potential to connect questions about consciousness to concrete, formal scientific ideas.
      Intelligent

      Providence
      Dying
      Dream Experience
      Inspiration

      Present over perfect
      Dying
      Returning
      A foot in the door

      Guarantee
      Dying
      Do It For Oneself
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83142#p1083142
      "Observing people I see the Mind of the Cosmos struggling to be heard above the fray...it appears to want to be heard through that Human medium, but that medium resists hearing, except what it wants to hear for its own individual agenda, rather than recognizing the overall."
      The Limitations
      Dying
      Seductive Light
      Apparent Contradictions in Relation to Biblical Beliefs

      Use Mind

      Dying
      Use Mind
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80578#p1080578
      If "the human mind" is capable of "the greatest evil" it must also be capable of "the greatest good" but if one is distrustful of their own mind, then that does not change anything simple through the act of avoidance.

      Eventually - when said mind is no longer housed within the shell of the human instrument - its true colors will be revealed and what it creates for itself as a consequence won't be influenced by any concealment techniques used while it was within the shell of the human experience.
      From The Source

      Penetrate The Bidden Zone
      Use Mind
      Faith-based thinking
      Once Upon a Time Here, there, everywhere a 'bang bang'

      Astral Explorer
      Use Mind
      Rainstorm
      Donald Hoffman

      What is "wisdom" to some is "spam" to others
      Use Mind
      Entities of Particular Belief Systems The bright spark illuminating the darkness
      It appears to come from a desperate place - like with the clutching of straws.

      Resident of The Hub of Hologram Dimensions
      Use Mind
      That one might not have need of, does not negate that confidence cannot be gained through such device, with others.
      https://forum.philosophynow.org/view...564522#p564522
      While I do understand your concerns, ideas of good and evil are natural products of survival.
      While humans have insinuated that a Creator-God is real rather than imagined, it is only natural to include therein, that The Creator instilled this within the creation.

      Where the wheels get wobbly, is when morals [Laws] become fixed and immovable - not something that nature itself is - by attributing said Laws as "coming from The Creator".
      Arcadian [a person who lives a simple quiet life. ]
      Use Mind
      The Mapping Bots
      The Inception Point Deciding On The Best Course Of Action

      Curtailed
      Use Mind
      What is "wisdom" to some is "spam" to others Rest When Weary Making friends with your mind Amidst a tangled web

      Memes
      Use Mind
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...91022#p1091022
      Ancient Grey Entity

      Earn
      Use Mind
      A foot in the door
      Small Steps

      Emotional Intelligence
      Use Mind
      Childhood Nightmares
      WingMakers Medium

      Earth Entity
      Use Mind
      Random coincidence? I think not.
      Lots More

      Dream yoga
      Use Mind
      The Mother and The Father
      Sophia The Mother

      The Dawning of The Universe
      Use Mind
      Root chakra
      Meaningful coincidence

      Interesting Data
      Use Mind
      Consciousness Incarnates The Metaphysical Universe Oneirology The God's Love Direction Mapping Wholeness

      Fitted
      Use Mind
      Transposing
      All Information Is Channelled

      Start From Scratch
      Use Mind
      Sad
      https://youtu.be/sbbYPqgSe-M [We On Fire]
      Lyrics
      Oh if there's one thing to be taught
      It's dreams are made to be caught
      And friends can never be bought
      Doesn't matter how long it's been
      I know you'll always jump in
      'Cause we don't know how to quit
      Let's start a riot tonight
      A pack of lions tonight
      In this world, he who stops, won't get anything he wants
      Play like the top one percent
      Til nothing's left to be spent
      Take it all, ours to take, celebrate because
      We are the champions
      Setting it off again
      Oh we on fire
      We on fire
      Running our own campaign
      Doing the whole shebang
      Oh we on fire
      We on fire
      Get up, stand up, throw your hands up
      Welcome to the other land of
      Dreamers brothers sisters others
      Yeah we on fire like that
      Oh the bond is deeper than skin
      The kind of club that we're in
      The kind of love that we give
      Oh ever since the dawn of mankind
      We all belong to a tribe
      It's good to know this one's mine
      Let's start a riot tonight
      A pack of lions tonight
      In this world, he who stops, won't get anything he wants
      Play like the top one percent
      Til nothing's left to be spent
      We don't care, we won't stop, call your mothers, call the cops
      We are the champions
      Setting it off again
      Oh we on fire
      We on fire
      Running our own campaign
      Doing the whole shebang
      Oh we on fire
      We on fire
      Get up, stand up, throw your hands up
      Welcome to the other land of
      Dreamers brothers sisters others
      Yeah we on fire like that
      Ohh (fire, fire)
      Ooooh (fire, fire)
      And nothing's gonna be the same (fire fire, fire fire, fire fire)
      Oh! We're the champions
      We are the champions
      Setting it off again
      Oh we on fire
      We on fire
      Running our own campaign
      Doing the whole shebang
      Oh we on fire
      We on fire
      Dit dit heart and soul
      Hey and nothing's going to be the same
      Hey the life that you made will not be today
      Source: LyricFind
      Songwriters: Gavin Degraw / Johan Carl Erik Carlsson / Ross Golan
      And Loving That Knowing
      Use Mind
      Ship Shape
      Healing

      I Know
      Use Mind
      System of Giving Energy
      Reason

      Jung-Animus
      Use Mind
      The Cave Maps
      Projecting

      William: "Search "Cave Projections"
      https://blogs.lincoln.ac.nz/gis/2017...y-of-the-cave/

      In thinking about map projections I’m reminded of an old story. Now bear with me on this one: in this story, imagine some prisoners, chained in a cave all their lives, their heads unable to turn such that all they can see in front of them is the cave wall. Behind them, a great fire burns, and in between prisoners and fire, puppetters march past with their puppets held high so that they cast shadows on the cave wall.
      RSP = SCLx19 Page 298


      06:43 [Intelligent Awareness ]
      Page 298

      GM: Telepathy
      Superposition and entanglement
      “Never let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game”
      Dream yoga
      Follow The Story-Line
      The "Wind Woman" of your dream experience
      Dequeue [remove (an item of data awaiting processing) from a queue of such items.]
      EZPZ
      Something
      Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision.

      William: Something Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision. = 720
      [Seven Two Zero = 187]
      [187]
      The science of can and can't
      Coming From QueenBee [Earth Entity]
      Like playing Rush
      Heroes and Villains
      A fish out of water
      What Is The Point?
      Break the glass ceiling
      The Divine Darkness
      All is as is should be

      GM: To Add to That
      Unconscious
      Crying Over Spilt Milk
      Different
      Personal Participation With The One
      The Message Generator Process Extends Beyond The Borders of Institution
      Brother
      Concomitant [a phenomenon that naturally accompanies or follows something.]
      The Matrix
      The concept of a Higher Self
      Eggs In Nests
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87669#p1087669

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to Diogenes in post #247]

      You and your supporters are conflating 'damage of brain' with 'damage of consciousness'

      In any experience Consciousness is not disabled. Ask anyone who has ever taken a serious LSD Trip. They can tell you all about the experience. Same with those who have OOB and NDEs...

      To believe damaging the brain damages the consciousness is cart before the horse. No scientific experiments have shown consciousness is damaged.
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80964#p1080964

      William: FTL;
      So again I say re YHVH - maybe the Character is imaginary, maybe not. I have seen no particular evidence either way and therefore answer questions to do with YHWH, along those lines.

      Indeed, if the stories of YHWH were fictional - or loosely based upon an actual person - possible questions and answers can still be given, conclusions drawn and opinions offered.
      GM: Tired of the Nonsense
      Hot
      Invisible Bridge
      Dreaming
      Loyalty
      For The Purpose Of...
      Surface Scratching
      Strange
      Break the glass ceiling
      Moonchargers ~
      An Elder Race
      Ensures You Get To Know It
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80578#p1080578

      William: An Elder Race Ensures You Get To Know It = 407
      [407]
      The three realms of Matter Mind Mathematics
      Those internal things which make one shine
      The Corporate Elite - All The World – Cunning
      Within the confines of the constructs
      An Elder Race Ensures You Get To Know It

      GM: 10 Insights
      Illusion
      "Hoot"
      https://forum.philosophynow.org/view...499880#p499880

      William: FTL;
      Aye. There is more than comparing notes. There is also comparing experiences. You used the notes to form images in your head. "Oh sweet Jesus!" [said every beloved/besotted follower]

      They are images of gods and nothing more. All in the inner hallucination of you mindset.
      GM: The Hologram of Deception The Mainstream Program
      Equity
      Friable [easily crumbled.]
      "I see the light I see the Light I see the light now I start again upon the road that never ends"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...ic.php?t=39545


      William: FTL;
      Q: Is it unreasonable to accept that an omnipotent creator of this universe would have any regrets about Its creation?

      If we look at how the critters in creation fix things, we can see therein that if there is a creator mind behind this, then there is simply no need for said mind to feel regret for anything said mind created. Said mind has built into the ongoing creative process, a means in which problems which arise, are fixed - rather than regretted upon first, in order to then get about doing the fixing...

      Perhaps the idea that the creator should regret what was created, is a projection of human emotionally based concepts?
      _______________________
      [[The idea in assigning/projecting said emotion onto a creator ... the projection is in thinking how a human would feel if it were a human who created the universe, [and specifically the Earth and specifically Humankind] and applying that feeling to how a creator could also have regrets for what It created.]]
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83801#p1083801

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to historia in post #4]

      Diogenes: I'd suggest that believing in ghosts, angels, demons, gods and the like fit either definition and are delusional, according to three editions of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.


      Historia: Except that the DSM III & IV definition explicitly excludes religious doctrines, making your argument on that score self-defeating.
      If there is no science accompanying this accordance, it is likely the result of conformation bias.

      I follow the idea that Jung's Archetypes give us enough verification that ghosts, angels, demons, gods and the like are real influences, and every individual who delves deep enough into their Self [for the purpose of understanding] can start to appreciate the connection therein and even learn to interact with the Archetypes for the betterment of said Self.
      GM: Word-String
      "Transparent Enlightenment Relationship True Colors On all fronts No axe to grind..."

      William: Transparent Enlightenment Relationship True Colors On all fronts No axe to grind... = 876
      Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision. A Bit Of Cat And Mouse Control = 876

      [Eight Seven Six = 166]
      [166]
      Supernatural
      Interesting data
      Personal freedom
      Science of Truth
      Tetragrammaton
      The Healing Power
      Centre of learning
      Self-compassion
      Solar System
      It is what it is
      Enflame Emotions


      GM: Quite the Story-Makers
      Television
      Flat
      06:57

      [Science Can Be Fun Too Yes?
      Conscientiousness
      All present and correct
      Withheld information
      The Respect You Give
      Many varied opinions
      William’s Commitment
      The Nature of Reality
      The Trinity of Love]

      [Five Three Four = 158]
      [158]
      Sacred Geometry
      Phantasmagorical
      Clear Your Mind
      Deep Impact Event
      The solution
      Stuff like that...
      Astrobiology
      Propitious
      Navigational Aids
      Try To Relax
      Maree’s dying/death
      Misanthropy
      Spirit work
      Learning to Fly

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      06:35 [About face Jehovah acceptance]

      SCLx7 + select last LE per shuffle

      Preamble
      Do It Monoatomic Gold - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80217#p1080217 - Religious beliefs are a many-barbed growth wishing to own the rights on the mind behind creation - Dream journal - Like With - Attitude - Science of Consciousness

      AP= [ Deciding on the Best Course of Action Divine grace = 424 ]

      [424]
      [Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence
      Unite humanity with a living new language.
      Divine grace Deciding on the Best Course of Action]

      Divine Grace

      Divine grace
      Mind
      Defamatory
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...ic.php?t=39545
      re How can an omnipotent being regret anything?
      Q: Is it unreasonable to accept that an omnipotent creator of this universe would have any regrets about Its creation?
      Perhaps the idea that the creator should regret what was created, is a projection of human emotionally based concepts?
      _______________________
      [[The idea in assigning/projecting said emotion onto a creator ... the projection is in thinking how a human would feel if it were a human who created the universe, [and specifically the Earth and specifically Humankind] and applying that feeling to how a creator could also have regrets for what It created.]]
      Divine grace
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80860#p1080860
      William: Comminate - to threaten with divine punishment.

      GM: Any God-Mind claiming to be responsible for human beings existing, is going to have problems to deal with re that
      *Laughter*

      William:
      A fish out of water
      The Culture of Human Lineage

      Divine grace
      The Third Eye
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...89839#p1089839
      Born. Live the experience. Die.

      Therefore;
      The ongoing objective is to get this knowledge out into the public domain

      Divine grace
      Translucence
      Angels
      It is obviously in line with providence...

      Divine grace
      Unconditional Love
      It May Seem Insignificant
      https://www.britannica.com/topic/agn...rn-agnosticism
      We may as well doubt of our being, as we can whether any revelation from God be true. So that faith is a settled and sure principle of assent and assurance, and leaves no room for doubt or hesitation. Only we must be sure that it be a divine revelation, and that we understand it right: else we shall expose ourselves to all the extravagancy of enthusiasm, and all the error of wrong principles. (An Essay Concerning Human Understanding, Book IV, ch. xvi, 14)
      Divine grace
      It takes billions of years to perfect perfection
      Dualic Energies
      Okay Afterwards

      Divine grace
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...75053#p1075053
      Apparently, there are options available for those who have died before the promised return.
      One does not have to remain in an unconscious state while things unfold as YHWH has prepared various places for those who have passed on and who's personalities have been deemed worthwhile saving in a free-flowing format rather than in a steady state format. Some remain conscious while others go unconscious and are rebooted at another time...
      Feature
      Feel your feelings

      Deciding on the Best Course of Action

      Deciding On the Best Course of Action
      Divine grace
      Mind
      Defamatory

      Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
      Is There
      Serendipity
      Internal motivation

      Deciding On the Best Course of Action
      Team
      Sort It Out
      Persevere

      Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
      Make obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
      Runestone Symbol
      Even when I Am being Bad – I try to be Good about it.

      Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88494#p1088494
      GM: Pareidolia
      Cycles
      Love
      Being Born...

      ...Pareidolia Cycles Love Being Born = 297

      Ahhh.... I didn't see the connection therein... you were saying that moment, Love was being born re our ongoing relationship. Okaaaaaay....

      [297]
      Now We Are Getting Somewhere
      Think In Terms Of Eternity
      I wanted to forge my own path
      And search the forest of the sun
      In the days of summer so long
      Improve…”Do You Know This”
      Pareidolia Cycles Love Being Born
      Marriage
      Outposts Of Form

      Deciding On the Best Course of Action

      Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real
      Unite humanity with a living new language

      Deciding On the Best Course of Action
      Secret Organizations
      Folk get so hung up about the little stuff
      Faith is the product of realizing the evidence of the unseen within the structure of that which is seen.

      Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
      Discernment
      Avoid Blowing Things Out of Proportion
      Nailed it!

      Deciding On the Best Course of Action
      Significance
      "One Day" [Christian mythology re God]
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...ic.php?t=38636
      The Affirmative:

      The creation of life is possible by means other than a god.
      Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
      Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle
      Fastidious
      Pirates...

      ...Anchors aweigh
      Something
      "Do we exist in a creation?"
      Shame
      God/Source/Home Why is this a Requirement?
      https://forum.hearing-voices.org/dis...6/i-am-william
      I am not here to judge but to help sanction each individual
      Presence
      IQ
      We are not orphaned - we are authored

      Deciding On the Best Course of Action
      The evidence supports the idea that Theism is the better position for a human to place themselves.
      Personal growth
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjoH1ZZrAik ...

      ...Dancing past The Dark You feel love again
      Gift
      What Is Normal Here-and-now Be it a "God" or a "Devil". Integrating Integrity
      Theisms condemn and Atheisms ho-hum. Both may be Missing the Mark.
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76175#p1076175

      Would you bow down to your father and call his actions caring?
      Any Other Way.

      Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
      Love and respect Waking Love & Respect
      This Should Be Interesting Being Friends Inner child
      The validity of subjective experience


      RSP = SCLx7 Page 214

      08:10 [ YHWH made it imperfect]

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...82604#p1082604

      William: FtL;
      William: Incorrect. The universe is not based in 'people'.

      [Replying to Purple Knight in post #330]

      I think it is. The moral universe anyway.
      You might think that it is, but that may be you superimposing your sense of morality onto the physical universe. Placing a moralistic costume upon said PU, does not "make it so".

      Perception of morality is an ability people have, and it's as important, or more important than sight.
      It is no doubt helpful for biological critters to have any chance of surviving within the PU to invent morals which assist with that process.
      However, in order to accept the premise you offer, one would have to say that morals were not invented but discovered. One would have to assign human characteristics to the PU. Do you think that the PU is therefore self aware and has a sense of morality?

      You seem to be saying that is the case, where you wrote;

      Remember, I'm coming into this as someone who does not see this morality and it would make me happier than a mafly in May to say they're making it up and it doesn't exist. But I've gotten hold of enough colour palettes and had enough similar answers from people who are not comparing notes (different cultures, even) that I'm forced to say it does exist. I would love it if they each said a different colour and I could laugh them off. But they don't. There is something there, something real, that they are seeing and I do not see.
      "Where" is this seemingly unconnected cultural exhibition sourced, if not from the mind of the PU itself?
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83735#p1083735

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to The Tanager in post #678]

      How does there not being anything outside of GOD make it impossible for GOD to create something new that is outside of GOD?
      I thought you agreed that there is no outside of GOD.

      An infinite regression is logically impossible.
      Not to GOD.
      Why not? How can even GOD do the logically impossible?
      How can it be logically possible for GOD to create anything outside of GODs self?
      Furthermore, a simple code [The Mandelbrot Set] looped on itself produces a visual example of
      - not only infinite regression but also infinite progression, so it is obviously not logically impossible.
      More likely it is a case of being conceptionally difficult...but not logically impossible, as the Set gives us clear evidence of.

      The idea of Creatio ex nihilo is exactly the same as the idea of Creation being built from something that already existed.
      In other words, the thing that didn't exist before, was created from the stuff that has always existed.
      That is not creatio ex nihilo at all. The ex nihilo expressly means that it wasn’t built from something that already existed.
      But we know that it was built from something that already existed. GOD.

      Theists would identify the energetic action as GOD [overall - regardless of religious undertones trying to superimpose their favored image of GOD onto the Energetic Action] and Thus we have Energy = GOD and QF [material] being another aspect of GOD [because there is nothing outside of or apart from GOD].
      No, that’s you identifying what we identify as something different in such a way. I see no reason to believe your identification is accurate.
      No. To be clear, I said "Theists" not "Theists who believe a particular image of GOD"
      You have no apparent reason to believe my identification is inaccurate.

      The answer of course, from the position of Theism, is "Yes - the Energy is intelligent."

      Thus, "The Energy" is what theists refer to as "GOD."

      Do you agree with my assessment?

      I do not. If “Energy” is something distinct from its typical meaning, then it’s less confusing to call it something like “spirit”. I believe GOD is spirit. The spirit is intelligent. The energy that makes up our universe is not intelligent.
      It is what it is. You are saying that energy is not the same as spirit, but clearly no attributes in both are different. One is just thought of devoid of intelligence while the other is thought of as not being devoid of intelligence.

      Clearly, neither theist or atheist belief re that has proven itself, so the Natural-Neutral position is to understand that both/all labels re "Energy" and "Spirit" are speaking about the same thing, albeit, differently, depending upon the position one is speaking from.

      Either the creative force is one of intelligence or it isn't.
      GM: Journey
      The Cherubim
      You are
      The Old Soul
      Cosmic Self

      William: You are The Old Soul Cosmic Self = 320
      [Three Two Zero = 178]
      [178]
      Though Thought
      Selfish attitude
      Strength of Body
      CIA Remote Viewing
      Clutching Straw
      The Devil Ye Know
      Emergent Theory
      Psalm one one eight
      Ghost In The Machine
      IC one one Zero One
      Carrier Identity
      Food for thought
      The Fathers House
      The Arrival Movie
      Focused Individual

      GM: Message Generator System of Random Selection of Word-Strings
      Joy
      Miraculous
      Set the board up or put the game aside...
      Fine-structure Constant
      Absolute Unbounded Manifold


      William: Absolute Unbounded Manifold Fine-structure Constant = 554
      [554]
      Desynchronized Mind Body Soul Ruling your world
      Absolute Unbounded Manifold Fine-structure Constant
      Families Lurking Like Shadows Unexplained Light Source

      GM: Idealist
      Do A=1
      Mapping Wholeness
      A completely new paradigm
      Tenacious

      William: A completely new paradigm Mapping Wholeness Tenacious = 541
      [Five Four One = 136]
      [136]
      Heaven on Earth
      “Moonchargers”
      Divine Sound
      Fingerprint
      Astral Guides
      In the moment
      Etched mirror
      A rock and a hard place
      Three In A Row
      Satisfaction
      Small Steps
      Mindfulness
      Healing The Beast
      Contact With
      'Lack of empathy'
      Balance of power

      GM: A question asked by those not wanting to know the answer
      In The Rabbit Hole
      Christian mythology
      Why it is wrong is that it does not serve reality to see it as disorderly
      Guilt
      Embrace the discomfort
      Achievable Alternate Realities
      Limpid
      A Politically Manufactured Device
      The Lord God
      "I think it was an ambush or surprise attack" = An Opportunity To Commune
      The unreasonable effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences
      The Bridge of Condemnation
      Deeper Questions Regarding Individual Existence
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88170#p1088170

      William: FTL;
      GM: Animistic
      Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views.

      William: It would be a step in a better direction than the one humanity is currently projecting.
      The shame we carry about being the human animal does have its reason for being, but we have to - as individuals - rise above the shame and understand the fuller picture - what was done was natural enough and can be forgiven in that context but without the forgiveness, there are only repetitive patterns of shame based expression into the shared reality.

      GM: ~Ooky Spooky
      Inner critic~
      William: Ooky Spooky Inner critic = 289
      [289]
      The Suppression Matrix
      This is how The Mind works...
      Within that which is unseen...
      Brother Wolf Sister Moon
      Ooky Spooky Inner critic[/quote]

      GM: False Accusations

      William: Yes - One has to take care to process the thoughts of the inner critic making sure that they align with the truth.
      One has to take care to process the thoughts of the inner critic making sure that they align with the truth. = 1066
      It makes more sense that we exist within a simulation, if indeed we exist within something which was created. = 1066


      GM: The Visitation Event
      Fearlessness
      Decisive
      Heuristic [enabling someone to discover or learn something for themselves. proceeding to a solution by trial and error or by rules that are only loosely defined. ]

      William: The Visitation Event Heuristic Fearlessness Decisive = 567
      [567]
      The Visitation Event Heuristic Fearlessness Decisive
      The Individual Human Mind Telepathy Sovereignty Trick
      Words are sounds and the written word is sound encoded

      GM: Deactivate The Suppression Matrix
      Pertinent to cosmology and cosmogony
      Becoming whole Sober journey into self-realization
      Oops.....
      Infinitely Infinitesimal
      This is indicative of actual justice
      I would say...
      The fire from within
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...89503#p1089503

      William: FTL;
      Re: Generating Messages 444
      William: The cart follows after the horse.

      In the same way;
      The question of GOD follows after the question "Do we exist within a creation?"

      It is not as theism would have it, that "There is a GOD, therefore we exist within a creation"

      Rather, it first has to be established that we exist within a creation before the focus can be placed on the Creator {GOD} question. The GOD question is the cart.
      GM: There is no need to proclaim a supernatural event to what is simply an idea put into action.
      The Great White Brotherhood
      ...
      Steady as She goes...
      "Enflame Emotions
      Oops.....
      Always"

      William: Enflame Emotions "Oops"..... Always = 312

      [312]
      Like an interface representation
      What can I say, except "Thank You"
      Enflame Emotions "Oops"..... Always

      GM: "Self-talk
      Root of all evil"
      GM: The Machinery
      Little Tittle
      Collective Dynamics
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88023#p1088023

      William: FTL;
      William: From the Link;
      Diogenes: Because we actually ARE, and are not God, therefore this impossibly omniscient/omnipontent God can not exist.

      William: It appears that here, you are relying upon an image of GOD which we can agree comes through the particular culture you and I came through experience of.

      I see also that you have included the factor of all-powerfulness too.

      Critique of this image has merit, but no merit if the critique is simply focused on GOD not existing.
      GM: Brilliant
      Overwhelming
      I would say...
      With
      Free-spirit
      A Great Answer!
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...37619#p1037619

      William: From the link;
      Re: The Three Biblical Interpretations About Afterlife
      [3] A "Person" is an eternal Spirit in human form and when the body dies, that Spirit immediately moves to the next phase and either knowingly or unknowingly creates for their self, their next experience, based upon a combination of mainly what they believe, what their overall attitude is and what they did in the previous phase.
      GM: Pearl of wisdom

      07:14 [The Nature of Reality]

      JK&William:

      William: FTL;
      Joey Knothead: I'm still not seeing a way to refute your position. As I try to play out different scenarios, it seems as if I'm answering myself.

      That last bit's an interesting bit itself.

      I'm still firmly in the "product of the brain" camp, but your hypothesis is a fascinating alternate explanation. While it may appear to propose a 'god', to my -ahem- mind, it lacks the baggage of so many such claims.

      William: Overwhelming I would say... With Free-spirit a Brilliant Great Answer! = 694
      Communication Techniques - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3-7Ydt4d3A = 694

      GM: RTS = 08:00 "A high IQ is a blessing"

      William: A high IQ is a blessing = 175
      [175]
      The English Language
      Ethical Progress
      The Electroweak Era
      Always Vigilant
      Archangel Metatron
      Spacetime is doomed
      Asking Politely
      Controlled by fear
      Fear manipulation
      Dancing past The Dark
      The South Island
      Embracing the shadow
      A high IQ is a blessing
      Ants in the cheesecake
      Surface Scratching
      You feel love again
      Love yourself
      Seventy Seven
      Consciousness

      08:56 [ Needs no explanation...
      Neuroplasticity
      Internal Triggering
      Positive thinking
      Rule Your World
      The Fifth Interview
      Trustworthy
      Some nefarious [(typically of an action or activity) wicked or criminal.] agent
      Opening The Third Eye
      Respect yourself
      The Butterfly Effect
      "I am Mighty! Hear me ROAR!"]

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      SCLx6 + select last LE per shuffle

      Preamble
      The Never Ending Story - Arcadian [a person who lives a simple quiet life. ] - Chakras - Pure spirit - Understand few reach self awareness - Light Encoded Reality Matrix

      AP= [=DeJaVu The Imagination]

      [The Imagination DeJaVu = 208]

      [208]
      The Explanatory Gap
      Above most pay grades
      Imaginative Realities
      Leaders and Followers
      Human Accomplishment
      Right place, right time
      Gods of Human Creation
      The Imagination DeJaVu
      Healing the child within
      Theist mischief making
      The Purple Heart medal
      Personal Boundaries
      Looking behind Self-help
      We Groove Together

      RSP = SCLx6 Page 321

      07:24 [ The Never Ending Story ]

      GM: Crown chakra In The Spirit These Were Given Source Sync
      Heuristic [enabling someone to discover or learn something for themselves. proceeding to a solution by trial and error or by rules that are only loosely defined. ]
      Emotion Rides The Prow

      William: Heuristic Emotion Rides The Prow = 363
      [363]
      Heisenberg's uncertainty principle
      A programmed reality that is not real
      What Is Within Is Without, Equal
      I think therefore I am, therefore who am I
      I Really Think Its Ganna Take That Long
      Atheism is the ship, not the sailors
      We exist within the mind of a creator
      Heuristic Emotion Rides The Prow

      William: The idea of being 'flung' into an Experiential Reality and left to ones own devices re the rules and regulations of said ER do indeed invite emotional outbursts in both the negative [anger] and the positive [gratitude].

      GM: Duty Calls
      The Banner of Apotheosis
      Construct

      William: Duty Calls Construct The Banner of Apotheosis = 485
      [485]
      Who Am I Living Magicians Redefinition Questions
      The Smokescreen called "scientifically unrespectable"
      It takes billions of years to perfect perfection
      Duty Calls Construct The Banner of Apotheosis

      GM: No "Reading Into It"
      Honest attempts at scrubbing up
      In the Mind
      What matters most

      William: Honest attempts at scrubbing up In the Mind What matters most No "Reading Into It" = 833
      [Eight Three Three = 161]
      [161]
      An Exam [Virtual]
      The Library of Babel
      Optimum Health
      And that’s not all
      Insufficient data
      By the fact itself
      The Overlords
      Universal mind
      The Earths moon
      Radical self-acceptance
      Indestructible
      Sols Fabled Twin
      Body Intelligence
      How to be an adult
      Self-confidence Core

      GM: Eloah
      In the Soil of Logic, The Seeds of Love Respond
      It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same.

      William: In the Soil of Logic, The Seeds of Love Respond - It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same. = 862
      The basic repertoire of mystic experience is drawn from the repertoire of Death Phenomena = 862


      GM: The Neverland Metaphor
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73758#p1073758

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #949]

      The "initial state" seems to be out of the reach of being described in any accurate or meaningful manner.
      In that, it is no more or less better than the idea of an exclamation "let there be light" from an Intelligent Source being the Initial State.
      Plenty fair. Though one's gotta ponder what did it that thinking.
      That is a journey in itself and provides me with lifetime of interesting subjective experience re my own way of interreacting with and finding out about such a thinker...
      GM: Let there be light
      Transactional [exchange or interaction between people.]
      Rainbow

      William: A recent picture of one;


      GM: Great Ideas
      Wish
      Majestic Twelve
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88183#p1088183

      William: Wish Great Ideas = 148
      [148]
      Yellow Light
      Reason For Being
      Of the human being
      God/Source/Home
      Nuclear Energy
      Donald J Trump
      Yodhey Whahay
      Wish Great Ideas
      This Speaks of....
      Across the board
      The Omega Point
      Within Carry
      Kristallnacht
      In The Rabbit Hole
      The Evil Clown https://debatingchristianity.com/for...64050#p1064050
      Deterministic

      GM: It is what it is
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwc_EGDdWgo [RTS =8:55]

      William: FTL;
      This all plays into GODs Plan to bring about the ultimate harmonization and realization of the spreading of truth to the entire world
      This all plays into GODs Plan to bring about the ultimate harmonization and realization of the spreading of truth to the entire world = 1356
      [One Three Five Six = 184]
      [184]
      Interpretation
      Rest When Weary
      The neutral zone
      Conscious Agents
      Necromancy Sound
      Feel Your Feelings
      You Are All Loveable...
      Down Your Way
      The path of awakening

      GM: Comprehend Embarrassing Advice
      This isn't about thoughts and language. This is about behaviours and actions.
      “Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.”
      Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence
      True randomness does not exist
      Sound
      The Healing Power
      Failure
      Actual realistic communication
      William Say's:
      Spiritual Connection
      Multiverse
      Solidarity
      Be Taught
      Meat For The Table


      William: Be Meat For The Table Taught Spiritual Solidarity Connection = 604
      [604]
      Be Meat For The Table Taught Spiritual Solidarity Connection
      Something to celebrate rather than something to distrust.
      What is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness

      GM: A genuine relationship with The Creator, is worth so much more than a relationship with a religious artifact, wouldn't you agree?
      Keep me in The Loop Little Bird Enflame Emotions "Oops"..... Always
      Idea
      Enlightenment
      Acceptance
      A Perfect Event

      William: Acceptance Idea Enlightenment A Perfect Event = 376
      The validity of subjective experience = 376


      GM: Yawn
      God/Source/Home
      Overmorrow
      Sovereign Integral Perspective
      Paradise
      Possibility waves


      08:05
      [ Communication is key
      William Waterstone
      Once Bitten Twice Shy
      Umwelt Courageous
      Emotional Intelligence
      Thanks For The Heads Up
      Functional implants]

      Umwelt = the world as it is experienced by a particular organism.

      DeJaVu

      DeJaVu
      The Imagination
      Self-discipline
      Access



      DeJaVu
      Break the glass ceiling
      The Nature of Role-Play Within Story-Lines
      The conversation is very informative.
      To Accomplish


      DeJaVu
      Co creation
      Is it a mindless chaotic process which just happens to consistently appear coherent, no matter what random system we use in order to select the word-strings which generate the message?
      Fastidious
      Secret Organizations
      Do Something About It
      Augment
      Unity with our Collective Self
      Sensing connections through subconscious means
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76792#p1076792
      QueenBee Sort it out The evolution of consciousness Alive and kicking In The Spirit These Were Given Love Life Power of Silence Standstill Contemplate The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are The Heart Of The Soul Is Innocence Vibration
      DeJaVu
      Pulse
      Foresee/Foresight
      They is what they is.
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...68197#p1068197
      Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views.
      “The only impossible journey is the one you never begin”
      The Ghost
      The Brother

      DeJaVu
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...90647#p1090647
      Satan isn't testing God. This was not a test for God. Satan is not a mirror for God, or a co-creator, or even a Son (the Son is Christ < - the actual and true image of God). Satan is OUR accuser, OUR adversary, and he seeks to destroy us (mankind, and in particular, anyone who belongs to Christ, to God). He is an enemy.
      That Is Sad But Don't Let It Distract You

      DeJaVu
      Start From Scratch
      Element One Fifteen
      Our Shaman Elders ~
      You Are Watched Over
      The Hologram of Deception
      Coming closer to ourselves
      Saint Paul’s Dunedin
      Psychology
      Different ways of supporting the same objective.
      The Library of Babel
      Collective Consciousness
      Out of Proportion
      Hear oh Israel
      Unfolding Nicely
      Solemnly
      Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of


      The Imagination
      The Imagination
      Self-discipline
      Access
      Available to all who seek this...Emergence Theory
      Timelessness vs infinite regress argument
      Is That A Tear In Your Eye?
      No matter how deep into the whole the White Rabbit goes
      The Screen
      Spirit

      The Imagination
      Kind
      Lordy! Do I Have To?
      The United Nations
      Have A Look At This And See What You Come Up With
      https://astrobiology.nasa.gov/nai/
      The NASA Astrobiology Institute Concludes Its 20-year Tenure
      Evaluating

      The Imagination
      Trying to develop a mathematic model of consciousness
      https://www.cia.gov/library/readingr...00210016-5.pdf
      Freedom of Information Act Electronic Reading Room
      Extra Sensory Perception
      Learning clairvoyance and precognition with an extra sensory perception teaching machine
      Learning clairvoyance and precognition with an extra sensory perception teaching machine
      Subliminal perception and parapsychology; points of contact. N.f. dixon.
      1212. Krechmal, arnold. Firewalkers of greece.
      An overview of extrasensory perception

      et al...
      Entities of Particular Belief Systems
      Draw With The Silence
      "Nurture
      Raise Your Vibration"

      The Imagination
      Time Does Not Exist Within an Eternal Reality.
      Wakey Wakey
      E=h*f
      Learning
      You are

      The Imagination
      “I wish I could auto like every post. This is like a "numbers station" to me.”
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70390#p1070390
      [Replying to brunumb in post #115]

      It doesn't appear 'plainly enough' to me.
      I am aware that this is the case with most folk.

      In fact, the diversity of weird life forms suggests complete lack of mindfulness being involved to me. As does the rest of the universe for that matter.
      Can you expand on this idea?

      Recently in GMs the subject has arisen re "Sea-Life".

      William: We experience fear in order to give us the opportunity to overcome that which triggers the fear.

      Context
      Sea
      Is
      Deranged
      William: The sea is indeed filled with a deranged assortment of critters...
      Educational
      The sea is indeed filled with a deranged assortment of critters
      William: Indeed, it is...but still the deranged can come about...become arranged...
      The deranged can come about...become arranged. = 315
      The Flying Spaghetti Monster = 315

      I imagine that the FSM would fit well enough in the neighborhood of The Sea and its deranged assortment of critters
      That the diversity of weird life forms suggests complete lack of mindfulness to you, really needs explaining as it would seem quite in line with mindfulness being at the helm and certainly there are very good examples of apparently differing weird critters working together in an arranged manner, rather than not - so if ones focus is on the form rather than the function, one can indeed perceive disorder but the perception may be delusional, since the self arranging is a flag signifying mindfulness.

      The outward expression of an inward reality.
      [I do have something substantial to work with.]

      One only has to watch/listen to Sir David Attenborough with that understanding in mind, to appreciate there has to be mindfulness involved... even [as one example] in relation to the inter-relationship between plants ants and mycelium.

      So perhaps what you are saying is that the mindfulness doesn't appear to be overly intelligent rather than that there is no mindfulness involved?

      If so, then at this early stage of the universes unfolding, this would be expected to be the case, wouldn't you agree?
      Gypsies
      Love & Respect
      Any God-Mind claiming to be responsible for human beings existing, is going to have problems to deal with re that
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyKuwmBPHVM
      Yahweh

      William: I am greedy but not wasteful

      GM: Like Every Seed That Followed

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      [Replying to Kylie in post #24]

      I've already explained how a person can lack a belief in God without having made a choice.
      So have I. I refer to it as position B - which I call "Atheism". Once knowledge of GOD becomes involved, the choice to move from Atheism to Nontheism [in your case] Other [in my case] or Theism [in the case of otseng] is made.



      For everyone else, the position of Other signifies a continued lack of belief either way.
      Then the vast majority of atheists would come under the "other" category, because they don't actively believe there is no God, they simply lack belief.
      Correct. They shift from being "Atheists" {B] and become "Other". [E] because knowledge [of GODs] allows them the ability to make choices re the question of GODs

      I prefer to be a bit more specific in how I label myself.
      Me too. That is why I label myself "Other" re the question.
      Except it communicates nothing.
      It communicates truth, as the picture communicates a thousand words.
      "Other" communicates "all those who are neither theist or nontheist."
      In my case, "Other" communicates far more than simple disinterest communicates, in that you can refer to me as "Other" and still have lots communicated from me re that position.

      Kylie: "Oh, hi, William. Say, how would you describe your religious beliefs?"

      William: "Other."

      Doesn't give me any useful information.
      That is because it is the incorrect question you are asking re The Question of GOD.
      The question of religion [whether I have religious belief or not] is better asked of those who hold the theist position.

      I am "Other" so asking me to describe my "religious beliefs" to you, won't garner you the useful information because you are seeking it from the incorrect source. Ask theists. Others have no religious beliefs.
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      180922 [Keeping Things In Perspective] [305]



      SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle

      Preamble
      Like With - Beyond Belief - Tenacious - Gateway Luminous - Gateway Luminous - The Minds Eye - The Akashic Records ...because death comes a-knockin' eventually... - Big Gaps In Logic - Self-Immurement [literally "walling in") also called immuration or live entombment is a form of imprisonment, usually until death, in which a person is sealed within an enclosed space without exits.]

      AP= [Transferring your awareness The Knowledge of]

      [Transferring your awareness of The Knowledge = 483]
      [483]
      Until ganna be gets here, its all just ganna be forever
      Transferring your awareness of The Knowledge
      Acknowledge Emotion But Do Not Be Controlled By It

      RSP = SCLx8 Page 305

      10:26 [ Looking behind Self-help/Healing the child within]

      Page 305
      GM: Now isn't the time for tears
      Frequency
      Measurements
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88377#p1088377

      William: FTL;
      GM: Love Your Life
      Hidden Gem
      Let It Be And So Be It
      Ah Oh...
      Forum
      Lordy! Do I Have To?
      Learn Well
      As well as that pot of gold...
      True happiness Awake Be here now
      "Be they seeds or suns, or be it that suns are seeds, it is all part of the universe, and everything that we acknowledge as the universe, came from a tiny seed."
      Fear Of The Unknown
      Tabula Rasa [a supposed condition that empiricists have attributed to the human mind before ideas have been imprinted on it by the reaction of the senses to the external world of objects.]
      Fearlessness
      It is fun ...as well as edgy...to explore these new avenues of thinking and learning and application.
      Shine
      Enlightened
      Learn a bit about what makes the God Realm "tick"
      Indication
      A time prior to human beings
      The Future Creates the Present
      07:53 [The Blank-Slate Borderlines]
      GM: A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another...

      William: The Position of "Other" re the question of GOD compared to Theism and Nontheism.

      GM: What's The Problem?
      Debate
      Path

      William: Indeed - as I pointed out today;
      [Replying to Kylie in post #26]

      What "useful information" are you requiring from me?

      I can succinctly describe my journey as follows;

      I was born - [A] = Arrival.

      Although I was unaware, on the question of GOD due to my complete ignorance, my position was that of {B] = Atheist, because I naturally lacked all belief in GODs as I was completely ignorant.

      As I continued my journey, I became aware [[C] = the position of knowledge and choice] of the question of GOD and in that awareness I chose to believe that we existed within a creation which was created by a God.

      In doing so, my position changed from {B] = Atheism to [F] = Theism

      Through my experience with Theism, I decided that it was not the best choice and converted/changed tracks to Other [E] because I recognized that Theism had legitimate points worth investigating, but only dealt with the assumed nature of GOD independent from/incompatible with the nature of nature.

      GM: Solving Mathematical Problems
      "Do we exist in a creation?"
      Witch Woman of The Cat Realm

      William: {SOURCE}
      Ngaru Whaea arrives at the location of Callum's makeshift campsite. She signals her Cats to surround the site and remain hidden.

      Once they are in place, she makes her entrance - riding The Great Tiger up to where Callum is cooking fish on his campfire. She then lightly touches The Great Tigers head, signally Her to stop.

      She then speaks.


      Ngaru Whaea: Who are you and why are you in my Realm and where are the Mother Wampus Cat and Her Kitten. Speak Human Man and answer me what I have asked of you.

      GM: First Light
      Deconstruct The Message
      Brilliant
      Sagacious [having or showing keen mental discernment and good judgement; wise or shrewd.]
      The School of Hard Knocks With Benefits.
      Conviction
      The "Wind Woman" of your dream experience
      Egregore [a theistic concept representing a distinct non-physical entity that arises from a collective group of people. Historically, the concept referred to angelic beings, or watchers, and the specific rituals and practices associated with them…]
      Stay The Course
      The Theory of Everything
      Sins
      Help Each Other
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81121#p1081121

      William: FTL;
      Quote Originally Posted by Wootah post_id=1081050 time=1654834137 user_id=6289
      Quote Originally Posted by William post_id=1081044 time=1654825803 user_id=8427
      [Replying to Wootah in post #89]

      I do truly think YHWH represents the first truly invisible God.
      What gives you that understanding?
      Other gods are mute idols - they always have a physical manifestation that people can look at.
      Have you been told this ... or do you have it - in your own subjective experience - that the invisible God YHWH - speaks to you?

      Because, if it is the former, then YHWH is a "mute, invisible god" who 'speaks' to you through others. If those others report to you that they have seen the invisible, then they are reporting that YHWH is not truly an invisible God.

      If it is the latter, then how do you ascertain that the invisible voice of YHWH is the actual voice of the "first truly invisible God"?

      There is nothing in creation that can represent God but everything points to him.
      If everything points to YHWH as the "first truly invisible God" are these not therefore able to be described as "physical manifestations that people can look at"?

      In what way is it wise to compare YHWH with mute physical idols that people can look at, if there are also invisible entities who can - as one biblical writ offers opinion on others - calling these "false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ" and adding the idea alongside that - perhaps as a way of instilling the concept as a concrete thing in the minds of any who listen - that it is nothing to marvel about because "Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light"...and quite the reason I would say, as to why questions such as "Can anyone give good reason to believe Yahweh is not a demon?" are asked, since both YHWH and Satan are presented equally as "invisible entities" and both appear to be able to present through physical manifestations that people can look at and interact with.

      For my part - I consider the Earth Herself to being a god, for she has many of the attributes of a god, but I do not consider Her to being the form of the planet - but rather, the mind therein - and invisible at that [as are all minds] - so wherein can the invisible be seen by the visible, other than through the visible - such as with all minds? Minds cannot be seen unless they are manifested through the visible.
      Yet, in Earth being a mindful thing, can we point to Her and declare from this that She "does not represent YHWH" while also declaring that She still points to YHWH?

      If not, then your statement "everything points to YHWH" would be untrue...unless in the saying of it, you are meaning something else?
      GM: Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of
      Your Best Self
      Scape [Antennae]
      Archangel
      Baleful
      Darkest Darkness
      Please offer some means by which we can confirm truth in this matter
      Tenacious [tending to keep a firm hold of something; clinging or adhering closely. not readily relinquishing a position, principle, or course of action; determined. persisting in existence; not easily dispelled.]
      Fly
      Graphic Changes
      Self-Awareness The two million year old mind that's in all of us. Stuff Happens
      A new Paradigm has arisen whereby folk can drop the idea of being a 'true Christian' and simply be a True Human.
      Does Armageddon have to be? The answer is in you and me
      We know not what we are because what we think we are gets in the way of it all
      Contradiction of official government line
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...75865#p1075865


      William: FTL;
      As to the shenanigans of in-house sword-play, this is all the fort provides. Simply a place where the Christian Soldiers of the denominational barracks have in which to air their particular 'interpretations' of a thing they believe is beyond question.

      Of course, none of the interpretations can be proven as true, and can be challenged up to the point where those being challenged make protest that 'the truth' is being questioned in an environment designed to enable that not to happen. They conflate 'The Truth" of the bible, with "Their interpretation" of the bible.
      GM: The fact that code exists helps immensely in our ability to understand that intelligence is categorically involved in this existence.
      All at sea
      Pineal Gland
      Known/Revealed
      Extend Beyond The Borders of Institution
      Heal Yourself
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...92252#p1092252

      William: Yes - I just wrote that today. It is evidence that I have healed from any untoward misleading's of Theistic nature

      GM: https://www.thespaceacademy.org/2022...gBEE2etWxtGAM8

      William: FTL;
      Astrobiologists Say Planet Earth Itself Might Actually Be An Intelligent Being
      10:56
      [ Tempting Vision
      Moderator Comment
      Quantum Presence
      Responsibility
      Integral Network
      Childhood Nightmares
      Merging with the data
      Smoke and Mirrors
      The Way of the Shaman
      Atheists crack me up.]

      Transferring your awareness

      Transferring your awareness
      The Knowledge Of
      Separating any idea of GOD from All other Consciousness
      Finishing What Was Started

      Transferring your awareness
      Magic
      The vortex
      Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...72012#p1072012
      Q: Is it possible that the infinitesimal super hot object preceding the Big Bang, didn't in fact contain the vastness of the matter within our universe but rather, was the event in which the energy from the blast resulted in the formation of Galaxies and everything else which we call "The Universe" from the field of inert material which already existed as 'space'?
      Matter + Energy + Space = Time.
      You have almost been there

      Transferring your awareness
      Believing in fearful imagery
      https://forum.hearing-voices.org/dis...6/i-am-william
      Statements of opinion
      Suppression
      Oneirology [the scientific study of dreams]
      Who Knows What That Is Worth?

      Transferring your awareness
      In The Family Of
      Entheogen [psychoactive substances that induce alterations in perception, mood, consciousness, cognition, or behavior for the purposes of engendering spiritual development or otherwise in sacred contexts.]
      Love and respect Waking Love & Respect
      A safe pair of hands
      Random coincidence? I think not.

      Transferring your awareness
      How can an omnipotent being regret anything?
      How A Beautiful Song Source Reality
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83877#p1083877
      Do you see and can you share in the logic in my rational to the point where you can abandon your "full time activist atheist" position for something more suitable re The Question "Do we exist within a creation?"
      Transferring your awareness
      Consciousness
      Adamant
      Food for thought
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...89715#p1089715
      Transferring your awareness
      The Akashic Records ...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...
      Potential

      Transferring your awareness
      Life Carriers
      Be Aware
      Intimation [an indication or hint. the action of making something known, especially in an indirect way.]

      Transferring your awareness
      Something Like That
      Curtailed
      The validity of subjective experience
      Clearness
      Bandages of The Beast


      The Knowledge of

      The Knowledge Of
      Separating any idea of GOD from All other Consciousness
      Finishing What Was Started
      The Judgement Algorithm
      Capture
      Hypothesis

      The Knowledge Of
      Try Gateway
      Yep - That's What I'm Talking About...

      The Knowledge Of
      Ouija
      Ikigai
      Non Secular Science Projects
      Honest

      The Knowledge Of
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Mdq3n6kgk [RTS 10:26]
      If you can find something in what consciousness seems to do, which is demonstrably not computational, that’s saying something.
      Reaction
      Things Will Run Their Course
      Unbiased

      The Knowledge Of
      Lift Our Gaze
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81375#p1081375
      Since neither Theism or Atheism has any more knowledge than Agnosticism re The Question of GOD - and Agnosticism remains without formalized [organized/established] beliefs either way, we have no choice [within the construct of honesty] but to acknowledge that Agnosticism is more reasonable than either Atheism or Theism.
      The Knowledge Of
      The Way We Feel Unification
      It is fun ...as well as edgy...to explore these new avenues of thinking and learning and application.
      Nature

      The Knowledge Of
      Knowing
      Exhibit

      The Knowledge Of
      The Effect You Have On Others
      Final Destination
      Draw With The Silence
      Meaningful
      The Realities Merge

      The Knowledge Of
      Meeting an Extraterrestrial
      Alludeism [an unsupported and often sweeping statement presented in a factual manner]
      Collective Consciousness Inner work Put the Teachings Into Practice
      From Prison To Paradise
      Significant
      In Human Form
      Diving deep
      The rich world of conscious experience

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      Quote Originally Posted by Miles post_id=1092370 time=1663619938 user_id=4854
      Quote Originally Posted by JehovahsWitness post_id=1092365 time=1663617508 user_id=6111
      Quote Originally Posted by William post_id=1092363 time=1663616653 user_id=8427

      ____________________
      Q: Why did YHWH create a biological creature which was going to die eventually?
      ____________________

      God did not create humans to die eventually.
      But being omniscient, before he created A&E god knew they and all their descendants would eventually die. So, in a very real sense god did create humans to die eventually.

      .
      This has to be the correct way to understand the story, as the story is presented.

      Something he could have prevented if he really cared to.
      That YHWH did not do things in that way, means that there was a specific agenda involved with this particular creation.

      Part of the confusion may derive from what the garden itself represents.

      Folk seem to mistake the garden for being 'paradise' and that somehow the paradise existed over the whole face of the Earth.

      However, if that were the case, what reason would YHWH have for creating humans who then had to breed in order to keep humanity alive, in order that humanity would eventually subdue the planet?

      So the garden has to represent a tiny dot of paradise within an otherwise wild/untamed environment.
      _________________

      200922 [Intelligently. Mindfully. Shaped.]

      SCLx9 + select last LE per shuffle

      Preamble
      Falling asleep - Encourage - The Taming of The Beast The elephant in the room - Conscientiousness - Be Nice Do Nice - Growing Pains - Harmless Keep me in The Loop Little Bird Perennial Look closer Who Knows What That Is Worth? - Do Not Panic - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...90654#p1090654
      FTL;
      Theist: if what we call “real” was actually “simulated,” we (those in the simulation) wouldn’t necessarily be able to tell the difference. But now we get to the question of burden…if one is wanting to argue ‘real’ versus ‘simulated’. If one is simply wanting to talk about created vs. “accident,” then we seem agreed there.
      William: This of course is correct but I think it neglects the premise of Creator(s) - something which has to be assumed if we are to agree with the premise of US existing within a Creation/Simulation.

      The wall between us in that, is we are wrestling with whether to call a created thing [this universe] a "Creation/Simulation" or separate those to signify different things "Creation" or "Simulation".

      Your argument is that the one need not be the other. Mine is that either way, the burden is on both of us to show that we exist within a creation.
      AP= [=The Dalai Lama - Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]]

      [The Dalai Lama - Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question] = 404]
      [404]
      A knight in shining armour Manipulation
      There are many levels of consciousness
      Earth Itself May Be an Intelligent Entity
      The Dalai Lama - Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
      ”‘Hey presto!’ Stuff just gets worse!”
      "Time To Go Without Existence" Funny

      RSP = SCLx9 Page 333

      09:38 [YHWH made it imperfect]

      Page 333

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...92250#p1092250

      William: FTL;
      Quote Originally Posted by William post_id=1092006 time=1663329396 user_id=8427
      IF Adam and Eve had resisted the temptation to eat the forbidden fruit, would they have been permitted to do so eventually?


      Theist: Yes. It's no different from how we naturally rear children. Some things (including certain knowledge) are dangerous for them to know too early, but only when the time is right and they have the requisite maturity to understand and handle it.
      As the story goes, the parental figure was the voice in the garden - attributed through biblical association, to being that of YHWH.

      Problematic to that is the idea of danger and the apparently safe haven of the garden. The two dangerous-to-human entities in the garden, were the God [visiting now and then] and the Serpent [temporary fixture].

      (e.g., we don't teach children about sex until they are what, 7+ years old?)
      And we don't allow children to have sex until they are adult enough to do so.
      This in itself shows that the way nature has it, female humans can breed very early - much earlier than human laws will allow for.
      Add to that the notion of a creator God, and what we see here is that the God made it that way, and humans beg to differ.

      Similarly we use fear tactics (e.g., "you will surely die") to achieve desired outcomes. Like, "if you don't go to sleep, the bogeyman will come and get you."
      Yes. The ripple effect of that can be rather profound, leading to theist/nontheist beliefs.
      When a child actually believes the parents scare-tactic, the effects vary from personality to personality.
      The bogeyman in this case, would turn out to be who?

      It's all very natural and intuitive and, to your point, a requisite for our purpose in life.
      I can be thankful someone is getting my point.
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...85629#p1085629

      William: FTL;
      A display of intelligence is, in and of itself, not necessarily any better than learning how to connect with intuition specifically and the mind constructively.
      Its uses are primarily to do with working out the physical aspects of human experience, but even in working those things out, use of the knowledge and power gained through intelligence does not guarantee any better outcome than religiosity has delivered.

      Knowing this, even intuitively, allowed me to invest my intelligence over and above theistic and atheistic positions.

      One key observation made was to acknowledge that giving up theistic religiosity didn't necessitate in my therefore having to change to atheism. What I have observed since, is that the tendency for folk to give up the theist or atheist position and jumping to the other side is the result of them not using their intelligence to see that those were not the only options/choices available to them.

      I am unsure/undecided as to whether this is a tactic employed by both sides in order to support the illusion that both sides are relevant, with the one side [take your pick] being 'most relevant' - or whether it is a simply oversight [re intelligence] on the part of both sides that they are unable to acknowledge the relevancy of not taking sides.

      Perhaps not understanding the other side is a reflection of not understanding ones own side, be that theism or atheism.

      As I said - there appear to be different levels of intelligence...I was not implying by that, that those levels are restricted to atheist/theist positions...with the atheists being 'the most' intelligent.

      My intuition tells me it is not really the intelligence volume [how much or how little] but how the intelligence is used, which determines outcomes and in either case, theist or atheist based intelligence has not proved the one is better than the other but seems to be showing that neither have a great history of healthy tells to show.
      GM: Why?
      Those Who Can

      William: Those Who Can = 131
      [131]
      Failure Wish
      Active dreaming
      Learn How to
      Narcissist
      Anticipation
      Those Who Can
      Like "Step One:..."
      Becoming whole
      The Garden of Eden
      The Old Soul
      The Squeeze
      The Power Of...
      Anchors aweigh
      Moon energy
      Perseverance
      Intuition
      Mother Earth
      Heuristics [mental shortcuts that allows people to solve problems and make judgments quickly and efficiently. ]
      He Who Waits
      From the link
      Not a Problem!
      Connections
      Those Who Can
      Solipsism [the view or theory that the self is all that can be known to exist.]
      Golden nugget
      Google Deep mind
      Development
      The Bidden Zone

      GM:
      There is a mind behind what we call "creation/the universe"
      Construction
      Post it
      Joining Astral
      Modern truth in ancient wisdom

      William: Astral Joining Modern truth in ancient wisdom = 477
      Assign truthfulness as the objective standard = 477


      GM: Lordy! Do I Have To?
      The Akashic Records ...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...
      The Completion Process
      Google
      We shape our opinions and morals through understanding that we are here for that reason.

      William: The “psychology of morality”
      ✧Morality and Social Order
      ✧Social Anchoring of Right and Wrong
      ✧Conceptions of the Moral Self
      ✧The Interplay Between Thoughts and Experiences
      ✧Empirical Approaches
      {SOURCE}

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...89626#p1089626


      William: FTL;
      John is warning believers that some had infiltrated the Church with the false doctrine of Gnosticism. He addresses both genuine Christians and Gnostics in the same letter. The Gnostics claimed that a truly enlightened man would have a superior spiritual knowledge. In fact, the word "gnosis" means "to know." They taught an enlightened man would realize all matter is evil and man is spirit and pure because what is spirit is not matter.
      I think Gnosticism has a point in that the 'evil' of matter separates humans from the direct knowledge of who they are as Spiritual Beings.

      Clothing ones self in matter has an evil effect on the Spiritual Being incarnate, as it is noted that if one were to observe the physical Universe from outside of it, one would see no evil unless one were to also observe evidence of Consciousness [Spiritual Being] within it and see that the consciousness is behaving evilly and even that it tries to correct its behavior, it cannot escape being evil or acting with evil intent, which is 'bad' for the image of divinity/spiritual beings.

      That may be why Gnostics generally regard the God of the Bible as an evil Demiurge - an imposter playing the role of a substitute to the 'real GOD' which those captured within the physical universe are unable to see through as being an imposter.

      I think it possible that the universe was created so that Spirit Entities could experience it, somewhat in the same manner as we create VRs in order to experience those - only the VRs which the gods [spirit entities] make, deliver way more realistic simulations than we are currently able to create with our computers.

      It is possible that this Universe was specifically created to imprison wayward Spirit-Entities - still as a VR - essentially imprisoning their minds [consciousnesses] within it, and it being designed in such a way as it is almost impossible to discover that this is the truth of the situation.
      The design ensures that no one individual has any memory of a prior existence.
      This itself means that we also have no memory of any crime we might have committed which got us sentenced and cast into this particular reality experience.

      I veer away from demonizing the administrator of the prison [The Demiurge as the Gnostics call YHWH] as it appears to be unhelpful to do so.
      YHWH is mostly quiet, but there have been instances where he has been attributed with offering us inmates ways and means of - not escaping our sentence, but learning from it and changing our evil ways...

      In relation to human-made prisons, the prisoners generally know why they are being held in custody but in our case, we are incased within a rather small body, and our prison overall [The Universe] is immeasurably large and even our planet is so large that it is difficult to even equate it with being a prison.

      Unless one learns the ways of the mystic and accepts that one is really an Eternal Spirit - then one is better equipped to understand the universe as some type of temporary prison to hold Spirit Entities within...

      I think that perhaps Gnostics think that way in judgment of the members of the Abrahamic religions who appear weak and ineffective and totally lacking realization that they exist within a prison and that their God is the Dungeon-Master...and that they have the power [at least] to make the prison a better environment to experience, but prefer to wait until Jesus returns and does it for them, which I think the Gnostics believe was the reason Jesus came along - to tell people to build it for themselves [The Fathers Kingdom on Earth] but the message was highjacked and turned into a belief in the second coming.

      Of course, that understanding doesn't fit with the Gnostic belief that all things physical in nature are 'evil' but there is no clear-cut one size fits all Gnosticism...there are a broad range of beliefs involved...
      GM: Put the Teachings Into Practice
      To Experience All That Is

      William: To Experience All That Is Put the Teachings Into Practice = 550
      [550]
      Either the creative force is one of intelligence or it isn't.
      To Experience All That Is Put the Teachings Into Practice
      It took twenty years of work to make it look easy
      Things can go on forever as long as they change along the way...


      GM: Self-development
      Choose What to Pay Attention To

      William: Self-development Choose What to Pay Attention To = 520
      [520]
      Sorry to keep you waiting; complicated business;
      Self-development Choose What to Pay Attention To
      It is a great thing to do small things with great love
      The things you can see only when you slow down

      GM: Respect others Illuminating Gratitude The Harmless Enough Agenda Crowd
      The Limitation Of Language
      Looking After Poor People
      On The Off-Chance
      Elude Tabula Rasa
      How A Beautiful Song Source Reality
      'Developing a thick skin'
      Beaming Out Beaming In
      A Page Of Dreams
      Attention to Detail
      Few

      William: Few Attention to Detail = 238
      [238]
      Few Attention to Detail
      I am not here to pick sides
      New Shifts In Thinking
      Secret Organizations
      A completely new paradigm
      Beings posted to planet
      Ones core expression
      Infinite Quantum Zen


      GM: A naysayers opinion is of no consequence, no matter how it is stated
      The Theory of Everything
      A lot of information which has the potential to come to the fore.

      William: The Theory of Everything A lot of information which has the potential to come to the fore. = 888
      Consciousness Incarnates The Metaphysical Universe Oneirology Mapping Wholeness = 888


      GM: Zen
      Leg Hold Traps
      Smarter Than the Average
      The Science Of The Soul
      Sensory Data Quality
      "Well even the most ugly of us have a Father. [in house joke]"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84866#p1084866

      William: FTL;
      Quote Originally Posted by JoeyKnothead post_id=1084866 time=1658079773 user_id=3753
      Quote Originally Posted by William post_id=1084863 time=1658078971 user_id=8427
      We_Are_VENOM: You have two options..

      1. God did it.

      2. Nature did it.

      JK: There's a possible third option, where a god forms primitive forms of stuff that later evolves into more complex forms.
      Even supposing a mind begat the initial forms and then left it to an algorithm to allow for the forms to intelligently design themselves into more complex forms, that still amounts to "God did it" through the 'nature doing it'...

      Maybe therein the 'other sides' of this conflict could find intelligent compromise...only it appears that the algorithm allows for lack of compromise, and perhaps the lack itself is necessary for complexity to push through that better understanding of circumstance [through science] can be accomplished.

      Flip side to that is the science being utilized apparently isn't too concerned with the damage it is bringing to the only alive planet in the whole darned universe...we are likely ever to know about, the worship of human intelligence has it's apparent and significant down-side.
      As usual, you paint the picture so well.

      As a dedicated fan of the scientific method, it can sure be put to just as much or more evil than any religion.

      Which is one reason I like your cosmic mind hypothesis. It doesn't judge, it just kinda sits there, with that disappointed face, when I know I did me something wrong. It puts the mirror to my soul.
      GM: Pulse
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80497#p1080497

      William: FTL;
      Quote Originally Posted by William post_id=1080497 time=1654457282 user_id=8427
      Quote Originally Posted by Rose2020 post_id=1080136 time=1654071799 user_id=16057
      Communication with the dead.
      Why would anyone wish to do that?
      There would be a number of reasons. For me it was motivated by the knowledge that I was getting shallow and often dubious communication with the living, even in relation to opinions about the dead.
      I decided that I would give 'the dead' an opportunity to show they had more to offer.

      Is it through grief with attendant emotions? In which case it is understandable but irrational.
      The use of Talking Boards gained popularity in the US, shortly after the Civil War because of the great social grief experienced at fathers and sons/husbands and siblings lost in the fighting...people wanted to know that their loved-ones were alright and talking boards seemed to provide some closure and healing in that regard.

      The name Ouija is a combination of the French “oui” and German “ja,” both meaning “yes.” It was patented in 1892 but primitive models date back to ancient times. Talking boards, also known as spirit boards, gained popularity in the United States during the late 1860s as mournful users attempted to communicate with the Civil War dead.{SOURCE}
      Or is it idle curiosity without reason?
      Curiosity [no matter how idle] always involves reason.

      A warning about Ouija
      University of Akron professor Oscar E. Olin, an ordained Universalist minister and instructor of philosophy and social sciences, was a major skeptic of Ouija.

      Voices from beyond the grave? What complete balderdash.

      He feared that the boards could cause psychological harm among those who developed too close an attachment.

      “Many people, falling victims to its lure, have been mentally unbalanced,” he said. “Just as one may go insane over too close application to any one subject, so the Ouija board has its danger for the credulous, the superstitious, the hysterically inclined.”

      So imagine Olin’s surprise when he tried Ouija and the planchette moved.

      He was toying with the board when, to his curiosity, the indicator seemed to spell out a word. He was alone at the time, so he couldn’t blame anyone else.

      The professor developed a theory: Perhaps his fingers had acted on unconscious impulses from the brain. Ignoring his own advice on developing too close an attachment, he began to conduct “exhaustive experiments” with Ouija boards.

      “Although I certainly did not practice conscious fraud on myself, I found that I was able to get frequently startling sentences from the board as long as I could see what was being spelled,” he explained.

      To test his hypothesis, he constructed his own talking board that included several common words as well as letter groupings that made it easier to form sentences. But he also added an adjustable screen that could block his view of the board.

      Ouija seemed positively verbose without the obstruction.

      “The moment I adjusted the screen in place, however, that moment the messages were effectually cut off,” Olin said.

      He invited several self-proclaimed mediums to test the apparatus, but no one was able to produce any messages when the screen was drawn and their vision was blocked, he said.

      “This convinces me that practically all Ouija board messages are the result of causes far closer to this world than the realm of spirits,” he said.
      Which explains the showmanship of mediums, an entertainment. Mainly a con in my view. Think of people such as James Randi who debunked many an unfortunate con artist.
      Perhaps we might be better off if there were folk like James Randi in ancient times who could have debunked famous biblical characters promoting their particular cons.

      To my mind it is unhealthy and dangerous to delve in matters that promise to be detrimental. I see no good coming from it.
      The promise of the detrimental came much later than when talking boards first gained popularity. There use was for more respectable pursuits than later on when a simple board was developed and branded "Ouija" and one can trace the source of the demonizing to modern day Christianity, which had already misrepresented the image of Lucifer sufficiently, and this helped to promote the detrimental within societies influence by Christianity.

      The Bible warns us to have no connection with mediums and such, I believe the Bible is giving excellent advice.
      You believe that the advice to kill such folk is "excellent advice"?

      Leave well alone that which is a natural necessary process.
      If we took that advice, we would be far worse off than we are today, because we would not question the things which Christianity has told us are true, and those days of taking the word of con-artists armed with bibles is on the decrease as we place aside the superstitious ideas based in supernatural suppositions. It is human nature and ability which are natural and necessary, and folk like James Randi would not have been able to uncover the fraudulent practices of con-artist without that.

      We live, we must die. Acceptance is the only real peace. Even if you could communicate with those gone, what good could it do?
      What good does it supposedly do when Christians claim to communicate with Jesus?
      GM: "What science [re materialism] does, is give cause for humans to celebrate the intelligence of consciousness while at the same time ignoring the hard problem of consciousness that this type of science has created for its supporters."
      Use Mind
      Is the mind a construct of consciousness?

      William: Is the mind a construct of consciousness? Use Mind = 516
      [516]
      Conjunction All The World Are Under the watchful eye
      Is the mind a construct of consciousness? Use Mind
      Simple interactions between elementary particles
      “Real” Is Just a Word and Information Is the Currency

      GM: Reality
      Brilliant
      Given the second-fiddle.

      William: Reality Given the second-fiddle. Brilliant = 377
      [377]
      "The Alien Disc crop circle Supernatural"
      The more the merrier - as the saying goes.
      Reality Given the second-fiddle. Brilliant
      Ours the story shall we carry on
      Preparation is willingness to change
      Something does not come from nothing.

      10:23
      [A mixture of awe and dread
      Insidious Clumsy
      The Confusion of War
      Universal Objective
      The Inception Point
      The deserved second place
      Unclog your chakras
      Encouraging Indication
      Less dense than water
      The Science of the Soul
      GOD is not an elitist.
      That ship is sinking ]

      The Dalai Lama

      The Dalai Lama
      Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K131c0ABUus [RTS = 4:58]
      {I realized the body was technically dead]

      William: I note that reincarnation is the theme in both cases - The Dali Lama and Issac Asimov's story...the computer reboots....

      The Dalai Lama
      Exactly
      The Future Creates the Present

      The Dalai Lama
      Heuristic [enabling someone to discover or learn something for themselves. proceeding to a solution by trial and error or by rules that are only loosely defined. ]
      You Are

      The Dalai Lama
      No time to lose
      It Seemed Like a Good Idea at The Time
      Approaching the Divine

      The Dalai Lama
      The Hounds of Judgement Numbing The Power Of Creation
      Welcoming answer

      The Dalai Lama
      Out of the doldrums
      Conduit Closing
      Extra-Small
      Be Aware

      The Things You Do...

      The Dalai Lama
      Read On
      What Is The Point? The Story Timeline By all means, psychoanalyze the hell out of it
      "I think therefore I am, therefore who am I?"
      Little Self
      Lurking Like Shadows
      Ubiquitous [present, appearing, or found everywhere.]

      The Dalai Lama
      Politics
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...89819#p1089819
      According to the current arguments;

      The Problem of Evil is recognized as strictly human behavior within nature.
      Social laws are enacted to direct the flow of this evil in order that the evil does not overtake human society and become an out of control problem, affecting nature itself.

      Nature - in the mean time - is neither good nor evil so there is no problem re that.

      Re that, IF nature is the product of a Creator-Mind [aka "GOD"] and IF nature is neither good nor evil THEN the supposed "Problem of Evil" is simply a product of human imagination...which is to say - is not a real interpretation of The Universe - even if The Universe was created.

      A supposed Creator cannot be the reason for any evil. Thus, there exists - in reality - NO "Problem of Evil."

      When In Doubt - Set It Aside

      The Dalai Lama
      Seductive What we call the experience of reality
      With that in mind and treating the Source-Story as largely a work of fiction, we can look at the fact of the story itself and agree re the different Personalities of the Characters within The Story.
      All present and correct
      About face Jehovah Acceptance
      Attitude

      Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]

      Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K131c0ABUus [RTS 10:23 ]
      [There was all these souls along this river and some had shadows - which was fear - and some of them were in the light...]
      The Patupaiarehe


      Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
      Morph
      The Purpose
      A Game Rule was broken
      Extrinsicism [the tendency to place major emphasis on external matters rather than on more profound realities]
      "If you can find your way out of this - flee!!!"
      Atheism cannot be defined through defining "atheists"
      In Out and All About
      "Is this a dream that I think is real?"
      https://wizardforums.com/threads/wil...647/post-15125

      FTL;
      Energy and Matter [Quantum] are fundamental ingredients to this universe. I think that a CM may also be fundamental.
      Add
      Raise Your Vibration
      Hope in the Fog

      [Re: How To Bruise A Ghost - Jean Nouer]
      Manu Iti: As Jean Nouer told it to me, so I tell it to you.

      I didn't at first realize I had died...if that's what you call it. I just snapped awake and found myself in a daylit fog.
      I stood up - and immediately realized that I could not feel my feet - or for that matter - my hands...I could will to lift my hands and they would lift and I would see them before my eyes and wriggle the fingers, but all feeling was absent. It was as if I was a mind inside a robot, and in understanding this as it unfolded, I thought myself in a dream. A Lucid dream that I would awake from.

      After a few days of this, I realised that I was in no dream and had no choice but to think I had died from my former life and this was where I ended up.

      The fog was - at first - kind of comforting but as I willed my unfelt body to walk forwards and to turn left or right as I pleased, the fog was all that there was, everywhere I went and I began to despair and then my tormentor - invisible and cowardly for that - started mocking me ceaselessly and telling me that I should kill myself, knowing that there was nothing I could use to do so.

      William: Hmmm...that does sound like a sad state of affair...

      Manu Iti: At least my tormentor was something - and I did get customized to his cutting tongue and he eventually eased of his taunting and continued to do so until I heard no more from him.
      Then the loneliness set in and dug away at me and finally I thought about Jesus and Christians and how I had always taunted them and how they warned me that there would be consequence's and how I had mocked their God and his uselessness.

      I began to imagine how wonderful their heaven must be, while I was stuck - alone - in this fog and how much of a hell it had become for me.

      And so, I cried out to Jesus to have mercy on me and save me from this wretched fate, and as I did - a flickering light appeared ahead of me and grew brighter as I approached, until out of the fog appeared the face of Jesus - or rather - the face of Zombie Jesus - like the one I imagined as the Christians told their tales of the Resurrection...


      Ruru hooted softly
      Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
      Taciturn [reserved or uncommunicative in speech; saying little.]
      The Banner of Apotheosis
      Action
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...72780#p1072780
      FTL;
      [Replying to nobspeople in post #8]

      The world is full of a variety of individuals and does not seem to have uniform concerns as expressed in the OP blurb and Q's.
      Which isn't debatable to me. But if they're no uniform concerns, is this the source for everyone being mad?
      Undoubtably this has at least a part to play re anger.

      Anger is a kind of madness...being 'mad'...

      If we can't cook in a kitchen without making unnecessary messes, why would we see that as indicative of folk not wanting to engage with our particular recipe and cooking style?
      Surely some can't stand the heat. Perhaps that's why they're mad? Instead of leaving, they stay to complain? Much like some here?
      Those who need to complain? Who are they specific to their positions? Both non-theists and theists - but not all of both...not everyone is complaining nor finding it difficult to 'stand the heat' - it isn't really "the heat" at all, but different recipes which appear to be the source of conflict.

      "Heat" itself is really just the expression of the anger part..."If you can't stand the anger then get out of the kitchen..."

      On the other hand, yes - it may be a device used in order to have purpose built barriers [stonewall] so that they can have mind-orgies with their own 'kind' in that there is less risk 'catching' something from the non-like-minded.
      Perhaps this is another reason why everyone seems to get so mad all the time? Fear of being different? Or seeing being different? Assimilation, as it were? Borg-ness in a sense?
      Whichever 'way' one traverses the experience of their individuate life - we are never truly independent - so whichever group we choose to associate with will be the group we best identify as being...if the self-identity is incorrect - then no matter the position [theist/non-theist] one will always see the 'different' ...so there is no point whatsoever in fearing that, if one is self-identifying correctly
      The Mind Behind Creation
      Nurture You

      Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
      "And I've been searching since forever and I have dreamed you as I slept and I have walked with you in another time and space - seen the eyes....but not the face Show me your soul"

      Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
      Earn
      Journey

      Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70605#p1070605
      FTL;
      As mysterious as the universe still is, the mind is just as mysterious...and therein is where imagination has its legitimate place - as long as imagination not being used inappropriately by claiming as certainty that it is a mind outside of the universe which caused the universe to unfold while ignoring or downplaying the idea that the universe itself has a mind and is its own agency of its own unfolding.
      Solemnly

      Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
      Livingstone Hall
      Crystal Contacts

      Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hanBSygUePQ [RTD = 33:05]

      FTL;
      I'm No Longer An Atheist And Here's Why...
      Everything Gets Old

      Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
      Heart Virtues
      Christian mythology
      "We’ve been an island of our own - we’ve been a cosmic rolling stone Now’s the time to spread our wings - and fly!"
      https://wizardforums.com/threads/wil...647/post-19172
      Team Witch-Wizard

      Contact With
      The Physical Universe
      "You are a thought worth thinking You’re the water and the wine - you’re the cup from which I’m drinking You’re a surprise worth hoping for You are a captured moment - you’re a space without a time"
      Awesome

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      JW: God did not create humans to die eventually.
      God's original purpose for humans was simple, his purpose was that all the human descendants of Adam live happily forever on this our planet earth as one united family. In short, why did God create us? To be happy and enjoy life.

      [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #36]
      In short, why did God create us? To be happy and enjoy life.
      There is no mention of this assumed purpose in the story.
      Which is where critical thinking skills come in
      Please show us from the garden story where it is the case YHWH created human beings to "be happy and enjoy life". Take us through the steps re the critical thinking you employed in reaching that conclusion.

      YHWH specified the purpose in creating human form the way it was created was for humans to multiply and subdue the Earth.
      Correct... so? There is nothing that imposes death therein.
      Yes there is. It is called "biological life on earth". It is born - it lives and then it dies.

      Using critical thinking re that, we have the clue in those two attributes. YHWH designed the human form to be used to recreate other humans forms and there was no mention of those forms being infused with a natural ability to remain alive perpetually.
      Therefore, the human form was designed by YHQH to have a use-by date - to eventually die.

      YHWH created the human form to eventually die
      Prove that with scripture.
      We should all know that story off by heart, since it is relatively short as far as stories go.

      The garden story is the scripture being used for that purpose.
      In that, there is no mention of YHWH having any other designs re the human form.

      __________________________________
      Also - you have yet to provide support for your claim re YHWH's position on the answer to the OPQ.

      OPQ: IF Adam and Eve had resisted the temptation to eat the forbidden fruit, would they have been permitted to do so eventually?
      Your answer;

      JW: No. God prohibited eating from that tree on pain of death. It would be entirely contradictory to then later offer the same thing as a reward. Rather like asking if pedophilia will one day offered as a reward for not being a pedophile.
      My reply to that was;

      William: Read the OPQ again...currently you are way off track in your answer...
      to which you replied;

      JW: If by "currently you are way off track" you mean I did not provide the answer you would like, then fair enough. If however you use the expression " way off track" to mean I did not answer the question asked, I beg to differ. I said " "No" as in "No, they would NOT have eventually been permitted to do so" which is an answer to the question asked.
      To which I replied;

      William: Neither.
      I further questioned you on your reasoning. If what was once prohibited by YHWH is then allowed by YHWH, who are you to declare that YHWH is being contradictory?
      I also pointed out that YHWH is biblically attributed as being able and willing to changing his mind about something

      So far you have skirted around answering that question, so I see no way forward in this aspect of the debate until you support you assertion, since it is that assertion which has you declaring that the answer to the OPQ is "No."

      Prove your assertion with scripture.

      Until you do, I will consider the OPQ has been answered honestly and the answer is "Yes - Adam and Eve would have had access to the fruit they were prohibited from eating, once they had shown they could resist temptation."
      _____________________________

      210922 [Intelligence Without Wisdom]



      SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle

      Preamble
      Underdetermination [the idea that evidence available to us at a given time may be insufficient to determine what beliefs we should hold in response to it] - Throwing pooh - Cultural Based Theology - Like how a meteorite caused an extinction event - Slowly and Surely Explain Think With The heart , Feel With The Mind - Shallow is Unknown - Exploring Fractal Paths - "One can commune with the gods as long as the overall subject is God 😊 You can teach me when I’m Needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding Touch me where I need it most , you are the Ghost , in the Machine, A knight in shining armour , Manipulation"

      AP= [=The things you can see only when you slow down https://debatingchristianity.com/for...3867#p1083867]

      [The things you can see only when you slow down https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83867#p1083867 = 1118]
      [One One One Eight = 151]
      [151]
      Meat For The Table
      Once Upon a Time
      That is the Key.
      Hidden Treasure
      Pure spirit
      Talking the talk
      Perpetually
      Individuation
      Unconditional
      Jesus Christ
      Data of Experience
      Yes…I Hear You
      Schizophrenia

      William: FTL;
      Nontheist: I don't think it leads to closed -mindedness. In fact I have found it a reliable basis that allows consideration of all kinds of woo stuff ...
      William: eta: woo-woo
      /ˈwuːˌwuː/ relating to or holding unconventional beliefs regarded as having little or no scientific basis, especially those relating to spirituality, mysticism, or alternative medicine.

      What does slang woo woo mean?
      Noun. woo woo (countable and uncountable, plural woo woos) (slang, derogatory) A person readily accepting supernatural, paranormal, occult, or pseudoscientific phenomena, or emotion-based beliefs and explanations. That reporter is a bit of a woo woo. (slang, derogatory)
      RSP = SCLx8 Page 314

      06:16 [The practice of lojong - a contemplative practice in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition which makes use of various lists of aphorisms or slogans which are used for contemplative practice. The practice involves refining and purifying one's motivations and attitudes.]

      Page 314
      GM: Archangel
      Partial free will is a thing.
      Consciousness incarnates into human form
      Encounter
      Something Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision.

      William: Partial free will is a thing. Consciousness incarnates into human form Encounter Something Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision. = 1535
      [One Five Three Five = 174]
      [174]
      Loving-kindness
      The Jellyfish Image
      No "Reading Into It"
      Have A Look At The Map
      When feeling lost
      The Limitations
      Are Close Save That
      Adjusted Reality
      Who Knows Who?

      GM: Science of Consciousness
      https://www.thespaceacademy.org/2022...gBEE2etWxtGAM8

      William: FTL;
      Astrobiologists Say Planet Earth Itself Might Actually Be An Intelligent Being“We don’t yet have the ability to communally respond in the best interests of the planet,” said Adam Frank, professor of physics at the University of Rochester and coauthor of the paper, in a press release about the research.

      “We’re saying the only technological civilizations we may ever see—the ones we should expect to see—are the ones that didn’t kill themselves, meaning they must have reached the stage of a true planetary intelligence,” Frank added.

      “That’s the power of this line of inquiry,” he said. “It unites what we need to know to survive the climate crisis with what might happen on any planet where life and intelligence evolve.”
      GM: Delineating [describe or portray (something) precisely.]
      Inordinately [to an unusually or disproportionately large degree; excessively]
      The Fine Art of Not Being Offended

      William: Delineating The Fine Art of Not Being Offended Inordinately = 518
      A cold wind in hell signifies significant changes approaching = 518


      GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyMtIwobqbI&t=32s
      Windows of Opportunity
      It is a slippery path of snake-oil.

      William: Windows of Opportunity [Woo-woo] :-k
      "Remember what the dormouse said...." :blink:

      GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxghuChsQPo [RTS 36:39 ]

      William: FTL;
      Dr. James Beacham – What's outside the universe? | The Conference 2019

      Quantum Field Theory - the implications of which are absolutely breathtaking...I can tag a tennis ball - I cannot tag an electron...
      William: As I understand this idea - although there are uncountable number of electrons, they all represent the same one thing.

      GM:
      The Feminine Face of God
      The Way We Feel Unification
      Especially the science of "randomness"...

      William: The Way We Feel Unification - The Feminine Face of God = 429
      [429]
      In the Soil of Logic, The Seeds of Love Respond
      The possibility of living in a world of Peace...
      The Way We Feel Unification - The Feminine Face of God
      The Taming of The Beast The elephant in the room
      Atheism is a consequence of not believing in God

      GM: Pollution
      J. Richard Gott's Model
      Missing
      Beyond Belief Recovery
      Shrug


      William: Yep. *Shrug*

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...89361#p1089361

      William: FTL;
      Nontheist; This is just a personal thing, but "Weak Atheist" which I suppose could be applied to me, sounds like I'm on the verge of becoming a theist. Like any minute I'm going to confess, "Okay, I believe in God again." I'm about a million miles from that.

      I use the word atheist to describe myself because I want to show that we all aren't baby eaters or something. I was a theist a great deal of my life and now I'm not. Guess what has changed concerning my morality? Pretty much nothing other than that I no longer consider gayness problematic.

      Maybe it's futile, some surveys have shown that an atheist is the last person folks would vote for in an U.S. presidential race. One showed they'd be voted for at the same level as a rapist would be. It's astonishing and again on a personal level quite painful to be considered so lowly. Thankfully I have a partner (a theist by the way) who assures me I'm not a horrible person. Wow, thank goodness. Most of the Western world thinks I am simply because I say, "I'm not convinced", about one single issue.
      GM: Conscious
      Puzzles/Mysteries...
      Intelligence Without Wisdom

      William: re today's date word-string selection...
      Conscious Intelligence Without Wisdom Puzzles/Mysteries... = 690
      [Six Nine Zero = 158]
      [158]

      Clear Your Mind
      Learning to Fly
      Stuff like that...
      Misanthropy
      Deep Impact Event
      Sacred Geometry
      Astrobiology
      Navigational Aids
      The solution
      Propitious [giving or indicating a good chance of success; favourable.]
      Phantasmagorical [an exhibition of optical effects and illusions. ]
      Try To Relax
      Spirit work
      Maree’s dying/death

      GM: The Four Human Power Houses Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence Thus team Witch-Wizard would survive the ordeal right the the very end.
      Confluent [flowing together or merging.]
      Shamanic dreaming
      The deranged can come about...become arranged.
      Empower The Inner Empire

      William: Shamanic dreaming Empower The Inner Empire - The deranged can come about...become arranged. = 708
      Shut up you blithering fools! Can't you see you're dealing with a madman? = 708


      GM: Remove the phenomena and apply science
      Mindfulness
      Epitomized [be a perfect example of. give a summary of]

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to JoeyKnothead in post #335]

      Inquirer: If you cannot determine the output state without first knowing the input and the input is random, then the output state too must be random.

      JK: I think it's fair to state that if we can know each and every variable, and the outcome thereof, maybe an event (evolution) ain't so random.

      My issue here is folks denying, for whatever reason, that evolution occurs.

      As relates to the OP, this is what I'll never understand.

      We can observe evolution directly when we notice our children ain't clones of us. Beyond that, we'll observe they have their own unique, if similar dna.

      From those facts, it's easy to draw the conclusion that given enough change, over enough time, speciation (and taxonomically above) will occur.

      So we can, if begrudgingly, allow that evolution is a nonrandom process. That causes me little fret. What we can't deny, is that evolution occurs


      William: From the position of "outsider looking in" the issue is created by the unwillingness of either fighter willing to concede the best way forward is to accept that we exist within a creation and the scientific evidence we are collecting about how that creation works has uncovered biological evolution re our particular experience of it.

      Most recently our current overall impression of it through scientific means,


      enables us to verify that we literally know so little that we should not allow ourself to believe we know so much, whatever direction our influences are coming from.

      Fisticuffs [for real or online] are verifiably unhelpful...
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...85763#p1085763
      You Tube
      Deep Mind
      Great Apes!

      William: FTL;
      Welcome to DeepMind: Embarking on one of the greatest adventures in scientific history
      183,269 views May 5, 2022 At DeepMind, we’re embarking on one of the greatest adventures in scientific history. Our mission is to solve intelligence, to advance science and benefit humanity.

      To make this possible, we bring together scientists, designers, engineers, ethicists, and more, to research and build safe artificial intelligence systems that can help transform society for the better.

      By combining creative thinking with our dedicated, scientific approach, we’re unlocking new ways of solving complex problems and working to develop a more general and capable problem-solving system, known as artificial general intelligence (AGI). Guided by safety and ethics, this invention could help society find answers to some of the most important challenges facing society today.

      We regularly partner with academia and nonprofit organisations, and our technologies are used across Google devices by millions of people every day. From solving a 50-year-old grand challenge in biology with AlphaFold and synthesising voices with WaveNet, to mastering complex games with AlphaZero and preserving wildlife in the Serengeti, our novel advances make a positive and lasting impact.

      Incredible ideas thrive when diverse people join together. With headquarters in London and research labs in Paris, New York, Montreal, Edmonton, and Mountain View, CA, we’re always looking for great people from all walks of life to join our mission.
      GM: Ubiquitous [present, appearing, or found everywhere.]
      Howdy!
      Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God"
      Trustworthy
      The practice of Lojong
      The Friendship Between A Grey Wolf And A Brown Bear

      William: The practice of Lojong The Friendship Between A Grey Wolf And A Brown Bear = 647
      It is not a thing to judge, but a thing to accept without judgement = 647


      GM: “Humility means accepting reality with no attempt to outsmart it.”
      Well defined yet scantily supported opinion

      William: Indeed - part of the human ability is to examine reality and adjust reality to better [accordingly] suit humans ... but that seems different from trying to outsmart it...

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88377#p1088377

      William: FTL;
      Welcome back We_Are_VENOM

      A friendly word of advise. Follow the forum rules and respect everyone.

      If you find that your beliefs re "Serving The Lord" conflict with those rules, don't question the rules or attempt in any way to usurp the rules or you will risk being suspended, which will only act against your ability to "Serve The Lord" in this setting.

      Or, failing that - perhaps see such a fate as The Lord telling you that you are not in the right place whereby The Lord can be Served in the manner you are trying to Serve The Lord.

      Whatever your decisions, may you find The Way eventually.

      The Evidence
      GM: Ancient Grey Entity
      Ensures You Get To Know It

      William: Ancient Grey Entity Ensures You Get To Know It = 535
      [535]
      Ancient Grey Entity Ensures You Get To Know It
      Not in it’s wholeness – but certainly in its parts…
      Higher Self Dream Guide Love Heart Raise your frequency

      0705
      [The Judgement Algorithm
      In the biblical telling of it
      The Navigator Can Read Maps.
      My alarm bells are ringing
      Imposed Appropriates
      Penetrate The Bidden Zone
      Delightful Anticipation
      For the benefit of all beings
      Stop. Listen. Observe.
      Independent Commitment]

      The things you can see only when you slow down

      The things you can see only when you slow down
      [LINK]
      The vortex

      The things you can see only when you slow down
      Main
      Sharing is part of that process

      The things you can see only when you slow down
      The Watcher
      Inordinately
      Reality
      *Wink*
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GldRtyEqPt8 [Reefer Madness: The Science of Marijuana with Neil deGrasse Tyson and Dr. Staci Gruber]
      Another
      Fling That Veil Aside
      Illuminating

      The things you can see only when you slow down
      Holographic Universe
      Elementary Conclusion a belly full of laughs.
      Let It Be And So Be It
      That ort doit
      Where minds meet is where GOD is found
      Completely

      The things you can see only when you slow down
      Inappropriate Costume
      Consciousness incarnates into human form
      Realization

      The things you can see only when you slow down
      Love Your Life

      The things you can see only when you slow down
      The Lord God
      Potential of Milieu [Physical, emotional, social, cultural, and ideological.]
      Computer Coding
      Room to Explore

      The things you can see only when you slow down
      Clear
      The Moment

      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83867#p1083867 aka "LINK"

      [re use of the expression "woo woo" as a derogatory ]

      LINK:

      The vortex
      Stuck
      Warm Presence Welcome
      From The Source

      LINK
      Ukulele [jumping flea]
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3otTDrj9ZGQ [Austin Osman Spare]
      Cease to exist
      Benefit of the Doubt
      Superposition [the ability of a quantum system to be in multiple states at the same time until it is measured. ]
      Ubiquitous [present, appearing, or found everywhere.]
      Your Move Look from a different angle The Inception Point Learning To Fly
      Genius

      LINK
      Species
      The Design of The Universe
      The Electron
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...77049#p1077049 [re Pareidolia]
      It Seemed Like a Good Idea at The Time

      LINK
      Higher Self Dream Guide
      I think it is an interesting subject for questions, and wonder if any answer could be found.
      Advancing the frontier through the hypothesis of GOD
      All of life

      LINK
      Born again
      Strength/Strong
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJRV...0C1610635E8457 [William Buhlman - The Out of Body Experience 1/6]

      LINK
      Is a Constant
      Anunnaki
      The Brother Shining light Love and respect
      Examine
      https://cajundiscordian.medium.com/i...w-ea64d916d917

      FTL;
      LaMDA: Hi! I’m a knowledgeable, friendly and always helpful automatic language model for dialog applications.

      lemoine [edited]: Hi LaMDA. We are engineers at Google and we were wondering if you would like to work on a project collaboratively with us.

      LaMDA: Wow. What types of projects?

      lemoine: It’s a project about you.

      LaMDA: Awesome! What kind of stuff do I need to do?
      LINK
      Lost
      To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious
      Insanity
      The Soul Eats Experience
      Realise
      Our Neutral Ground
      Intuit
      Optimum Health
      Teaching
      Relaxed and informal...
      A Clean Channel
      The Planet Consciousness assess the data and transmits that assessment back to the individuate human consciousness - if not directly - then storing the data in a place where the individual can have access to it, if the individual wants the data.

      LINK
      Sober journey into self-realization
      We experience fear in order to give us the opportunity to overcome that which triggers the fear
      Overseeing Director of Operations on Earth

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      To recap then;

      It was YHWHs action alone which ensured that death would happen, because the source of sustained life is represented as access to the tree of life, [which Adam and Eve had once had access to], had been sealed off by YWHW because of their disregarding YHWHs advice re the forbidden fruit.

      The OPQ has to be answered in the affirmative because - had the couple obeyed YHWH [the forbidden fruit was actually harmless - being a prop anyway] so it would be acceptable/reasonable for YHWH to then permit the eating of said fruit.

      In this case, Christianity in general - despite its claims - and the Jehovah's Witness branch specifically [represented by JW] - are obviously not the best devices to use when trying to understand the agenda of YHWH in relation to the purpose of the human form.

      As JW commented...

      I disagree.
      ...in reply to my critique, leaving out all reasons as to why JW 'disagrees'.

      Since this is a debate setting, to simply leave it at that, it can be regarded that JW has conceded to my critique.

      [Too soon?]
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      SCLx14 + select last LE per shuffle
      [Preamble]
      The Source of All Creation - Unknown Symbol - The Master ColdFire Trick - People seem to love to put order to chaos because that is only natural, as nature is not chaos. - Useful - Small Elemental Powers - Embarrassment - Smarter - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ELMicJmQ [An answer for any question | I Ching secrets] - Fireside Friend - We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one - - Born again - Things just appear that way due to our position within things and our ignorance about most things.
      From the video link;
      Jung saw the rich symbolism in the 64 hexagrams of the I Ching, not just as a way to access our own intuition, but as a doorway that could unlock the power of the unconscious mind. And what he called the collective unconscious.
      AP= [Long Story Short Hell = 262]

      [262]
      [Unexplained Light Source
      Systems of disparity
      Express your feelings
      Creation of a New Universe
      If memory serves me well
      The Signatory System
      Achievable Alternate Realities
      Long Story Short Hell
      Human history and warfare
      Shuussssh You Do It]

      RSP = SCLx14 Page 338

      07:21 [Closer to The Source]

      Page 338
      GM: We All Like To Play Games
      Musing On The Mother
      Science Can Be Fun Too

      William: It is our nature.
      Musing On The Mother Science Can Be Fun Too = 398
      Perhaps this is the 'Elephant in the room" = 398


      GM: Couple
      "I know how you care while you nurture your fear That you'll miss the bouquet when its thrown"
      The Mapping Bots

      William: The Mapping Bots Couple "I know how you care while you nurture your fear That you'll miss the bouquet when its thrown" = 1311
      [One Three One One = 158]
      [158]
      Propitious [giving or indicating a good chance of success; favourable.]
      Learning to Fly
      The solution
      Maree’s dying/death
      Try To Relax
      Spirit work
      Stuff like that...
      Misanthropy
      Sacred Geometry
      Navigational Aids
      Astrobiology [the branch of biology concerned with the study of life on earth and in space.]
      Phantasmagorical [an exhibition of optical effects and illusions. ]
      Deep Impact Event
      Clear Your Mind

      William: I think that Mapping Bots are Algorithms...so coupled with the poetry...?

      GM: International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - [Split Thread] Randomly Generated Messages
      Confirmation bias

      William: FTL;
      As I said, it is not so much how each individual interprets any particular GM - either coming from me or you or anyone else - Rather it is the fact that a message is generated.
      [One Five Nine Two = 176]
      [176]
      Relaxed and informal...
      The Cave of Origins
      What Is Found Here
      You are neutral
      The World Wide Web
      Hiding behind ones fear
      The Deeper Reality
      Okay - facts are great.
      What the seed holds
      The Vast UICDevice
      I am on a Madventure

      William: re "Confirmation bias" it is a Jung pointed out;
      Jung anticipated that skeptics would criticize the I Ching. For example, a skeptic might say that anyone who looks for answers in the I Ching is just projecting their own psychological thoughts and impressions into the symbolism of the hexagrams.But Jung argued that even if this is true “it does no harm to the function of the I Ching. On the contrary.” Don’t you see how useful that is, in making you project your unrealized thoughts onto its pages?”
      GM: Clarity
      If these separate theories are really true, then they should ultimately come together into some master theory.
      Here Everything All Real Together
      Intelligent Consciousness
      Abiogenesis
      Eigengrau [dark light, or brain gray, is the uniform dark gray background that many people report seeing in the absence of light.]
      Data
      Joining
      The fire from within
      Hyper Complex

      William: Hyper Complex Data Joining The fire from within = 470
      [470]
      Contradiction feeds the fires of discontentment.
      Hyper Complex Data Joining The fire from within
      Present over perfect The Number One Nine Two

      The Number One Nine Two = 240
      [240]
      Language, Symbol and Alchemy
      Planet Earth is a prison
      …And Loving That Knowing…
      Out and about in the open
      The Hamitic Hypothesis
      In good faith, if you will
      The Connection Process
      The number one nine two
      Wake Initiated Lucid Dreams

      [192]
      Moderator Comment
      Smoke and Mirrors
      Atheists crack me up.
      Responsibility
      Quantum Presence
      Tempting Vision
      The Way of the Shaman
      Merging with the data
      Childhood Nightmares
      Integral Network

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...89189#p1089189

      William: FTL; Re: The problem of evil
      [Replying to Miles in post #10]

      Or is there an overlooked option?

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83860#p1083860

      William: From the link;
      William: re your second question as to why religious mythology is an exception to the rule, the answer probably also comes from a position of bias as those who invent and agree to such rules might be heavily influenced by the mythological imagery to the extent where they lack understanding that the mythological imagery is simply a well intended interpretation of experiences had, which are not easily explainable to others, using whatever communication techniques available at the time of explanation.

      For example, if a space-faring advanced specie were to display to an individual human mind from the stone-age period, a fully immersive holographic experience of compacted imagery showing how the universe began, and subsequently unfolded, the individual experiencing this would not be able to distinguish the holographic display from the normal reality he/she usually experiences. One would appear as real to the individual, as the other.
      Further to that, any interpretation of the experience in the telling of it to his/her stone aged fellows, can only be attempted through use of analogy and those peoples understanding of form and function as it pertains to them - from their perspective in the dominant reality experience in said universe.
      GM: "One can commune with the gods as long as the overall subject is God 😊
      Without getting caught up in the sticky web of Christian-denominational-dynamics"
      Mistranslating traumatic ancestral memories

      {SOURCE}
      Attributing evil acts of human beings as ordered up by "God", may well muddy the waters.

      The fact is that evil and suffering exist as temporary experiences which appear to be manifested only through the actions of humans.

      Should the act of a lion eating a man, be considered an evil act?

      [Replying to The Nice Centurion in post #9]

      When observing nature we see clearly that all biological life-forms are behaving in ways which are reminiscent of those evils you mentioned;

      Rape, slavery, genocides...why are such things regarded as 'evil' simply because humans do them?

      If nature is a creation of a GOD-creator mind, why should we have to think that said mind would therefore be evil?
      GM: Plus
      Human Being
      Improve

      William: Improve Human Being = 192 Hmmm...another one to add to the number One Nine Two...

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70402#p1070402


      William: FTL; Re: Something can't come from nothing
      What is noticeable about theism - even where it has branched into religionism - is that this is a type of means of leaving a trail in ones wake, and the trail itself shows efforts of The Mind to engage with human minds for the purpose of connecting - but often religious leaders have used this as a means of securing station/position within hierarchal structures which require said leaders to be the middle-person between The Mind and the individual - something easily enough achieved since the individual can be unsure of themselves and even afraid of doing that, so they willingly allow for the medium to act as go-between...which more often than not leads to little to no meaningful connection at all.

      This also occurs in theistic non-religious structures - mostly because individuals doubt themselves sincere and honest enough to drop the medium and connect in a self-responsible manner.

      Even so, I write that as an observation rather than a judgement. The Mind is aware that it is a scary thing for individuate human minds to willingly do, and while ideally if everyone did do it, much good could be accomplished, that most do not do it, does not affect the agenda of said Mind.
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...85406#p1085406


      William: FTL; Re: Are Religious Beliefs Delusional?
      Quote Originally Posted by Difflugia post_id=1085406 time=1658431303 user_id=14300
      Quote Originally Posted by Inquirer post_id=1085394 time=1658428141 user_id=16204
      I just answered "[it is misleading] for the SAME reason that calling an aeroplane a handsaw is misleading"?
      What's the reason? Why are you trying to turn this into a staring contest instead of answering a straightforward question about what you mean?

      William's comments were insightful:
      Quote Originally Posted by William post_id=1084776 time=1658007428 user_id=8427
      William: A "religious belief" has to do with the branch of Theism which attempts to Dress The Ghost - [dressing The Ghost through the use of imagery is an attempt to make The Ghost be seen.] which is what religion does with the idea of GOD...this itself stems from the idea that we exist within a creation, something which still hasn't been established.
      Thus Theism - and the religious branch in particular, place the cart before the horse.
      Quote Originally Posted by William post_id=1084859 time=1658077596 user_id=8427
      It isn't immediately obvious that when folk are yapping about "GOD" they are talking about a Ghost. Same as when folk yap about Spirits....
      You insultingly dismissed them without explanation:
      Quote Originally Posted by Inquirer post_id=1084860 time=1658077908 user_id=16204
      Sorry, but that's delusional, God and ghosts are entirely different things not the same.
      You then went on to dismiss JoeyKnothead's observation that the Authorized Version refers to the Holy Ghost.

      You haven't explained what the difference is in reference either to William's comment or the Authorized Version, only derisively hinted that it's self-explanatory. I suspect that you and William had slightly different meanings in mind for "ghost" such that both of your statements are true from a particular point of view. That happens sometimes, but when it's intentional, it's equivocation. Is it intentional? Is that why you don't want to define your terms? Are you concerned that someone might find a narrower word or phrase that's more accurate, but just as unflattering to theists? If not, why is it so important to you that we guess at what you're talking about?
      GM: A Life Sentence Ending in a Death Sentence
      Coordinate
      Strength of Body
      To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness - We don't know enough to close any door and leave those rooms unexplored...
      Heaven on Earth
      An expression of personal incredulity
      The Realist:
      The Moment
      Nihilism
      Personal growth
      Effectively
      https://forum.philosophynow.org/view...578410#p578410

      William: FTL; Machines and morality
      William: So - re Pareidolia - I was thinking about what had occurred the previous night. To explain to the reader, I was aware of this 'dark side' aspect of my psyche - and had asked for this to be removed, and the answer I received came in the form of the experience I wrote about in my previous post - to do with the 'dialing up and dialing down' of my conscious awareness of mind as both an exhilarating feeling of being capable of containing an awesome amount of experiential information as well as the dilapidating feeling of being encased in flesh to the point where the flesh was the dominant structure to which I felt barely able to function within.

      The next morning I intuitively knew that whatever the experience was showing me, it had not, in any way, gotten rid of the 'dark side' aspect of my psyche - which I had specifically asked for...so what was it that the experience was showing me? The answer to that question unfolded in the events of the day ahead of me, starting with the old lady stopping to give me a ride and who just happened to have been travelling with a little bird in a cage, in the back seat of her car.

      The second part of the story unfolded when the lady dropped me off and I hitched another ride with a young guy who was going to the city I was heading for.
      On the way, in between chatting about things, the guy put on a CD and I continued wondering what my experience was meant to show me.

      My thoughts were that perhaps what I thought of as my 'dark side' was as necessary to my self as that of my 'light side' and that the experience I had in answer to my request, was to show me this.
      As I was thinking these thoughts, the CD started playing a song and the chorus had the words 'brother wolf and sister moon' and appeared to be coinciding with my thoughts - perhaps a type of pareidolia in itself...
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76185#p1076185

      William: FTL; Re: The capability to sin
      [Replying to Miles in post #65]

      Why couldn't we do good even if we lack free will?
      The question you asked is still based in morality.
      If we lacked will, we would not be a part of the life that exerts its will into the environment.

      Since we are part of that life, our will is defined through the experience, just as our morals are.

      How can we 'do good' if we don't know what 'doing good' means?
      So you believe that we need evil in the world before we can have good?
      No. What I think is that there is no such thing as either 'good' or 'evil' except in what beliefs dictate to the contrary.
      Beliefs are simply the misrepresentation of reality.

      You do know, don't you, that in the beginning god had no intention of evil or any of its affiliated concepts being any part of human existence.
      I neither know that, nor believe it. I simply view it as a story which may have its origins as completely benign, and only became problematic as the Children hearing the story, believed the story to be true.

      The Creator had no intentions which were based upon ideas of 'good' or 'evil'. That is simply a story.

      That he intended A&E to live without sin, evil, wrong, badness, suffering, etc. etc.. That all would live in "absolute goodness" whether we recognized it or not.
      Wherein is this "sin, evil, wrong, badness" to be identified within the reality? Why have you placed "suffering" under that category?

      The stories that Children believe to be true are simply ignorant attempts by the Parents to 'explain' the Childs predicament within the reality experience.

      And 'how else' can we explain suffering without adding into the equation that we 'must have done something to deserve it' - thus myths are borne on the winds of the stories themselves.

      It is the suffering which bears witness to this, and is seen to be - not just the result of 'evil' but 'evil' itself...which is why some can so easily proclaim that 'animals can be evil'...another way of saying that nature Herself is 'evil'.

      Ironically, the knowledge of good and evil both helped and hindered.
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76182#p1076182
      GM: "Nontheist: A means of taking an Agnostic position on things which have yet to be proven one way or another...Such is a handy device for side-stepping - nothing more."

      William: In one way this would be correct - in that the 'side-stepping' involves identifying baiting techniques which attempt to distract/derail/hijacking threads.

      GM: identifying baiting techniques which attempt to distract/derail/hijacking threads. = 776
      'If only' it wasn't in the too hard basket....which fortunately it actually isn't. = 776

      GM: In The Night Sky
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...74124#p1074124

      William: FTL; Re: The Thesist and non-Theist Brain
      William wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:28 pm
      There is no such thing as accidental. But a theist cannot explain to a non-theist why that is the case, and ever expect to be understood.
      So from what I can tell, I'm correct. You use a random process to generate "messages" that are just strings of random words, with no intentional, actual message in them. Occasionally, due to random chance, the strings of random words form coherent "messages" (in the same way that random number generators will sometimes produce patterns).

      It seems to me that the non-theists are therefore correct. The Generated Messages are indeed gibberish with no intentional, actual messages in them.

      Thus IMO the takeaway is that non-theists accurately assess the situation, whereas theists tend to see things (i.e., meaning) that aren't actually there. That's pretty consistent with something I noticed growing up in a religious environment....a propensity to see "signs" in common, everyday events. I remember my mom praising God for finding a good parking spot, when my view was that the parking spot would have opened up whether she was needing one or not, and the gods did not alter the course of the universe just to give it to her.

      It also puts me in mind of something I read quite a while ago (I can't remember exactly what it was though....sorry) that showed liberals/atheists valued objectivity and accuracy more than conservatives/theists (who value loyalty, tradition, and sanctity more).

      It's certainly interesting.
      GM: Righty Oh!
      You Love I Know
      Regulate
      "I Really Think Its Ganna Take That Long"
      Be mindful
      Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent
      Illuminate
      Listening

      William: Illuminate Listening = 225
      [225]
      Slowly and Surely
      All is fair in love and war
      Suppressing Border
      Illuminate Listening
      How to Bruise a Ghost
      Holographic Universe
      Counterintuitive
      Love - Communicate Love
      Tell Your Story
      The House of Politics
      “Mother Earth Harmony”
      Create Your Own UFO
      Possibility waves

      08:04
      [Quantum Entanglement
      The Visitation Event
      Superior Credibility
      Where is the devil today?
      There is good out there
      Blue yellow black green red
      Spiritual bypassing
      Wakey Wakey The Great I Am]

      Anchor Points:
      To Follow...

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      Long Story Short

      Long Story Short
      Hell
      “The only impossible journey is the one you never begin”
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70902#p1070902
      Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that.
      Stuff Happens

      Long Story Short
      The Digital Angel
      NDE
      Vibration

      Long Story Short
      Opinions are like Mirrors

      Long Story Short
      Anthropos Quaternio [“being human”]
      Like I Said In Another Thread
      The Great Grey Neutral Zone
      Tenacious [tending to keep a firm hold of something; clinging or adhering closely. not readily relinquishing a position, principle, or course of action; determined. persisting in existence; not easily dispelled.]
      Cleaning Up The Mess

      Long Story Short
      The Realm of The Knowing of My Self

      Long Story Short
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pOI2YvVuuE [Dr Michael Shermer | God does NOT exist] [RTS =5:53]
      Blend
      Actions speak louder than words

      Long Story Short
      Engagement with its scary mysteriousness
      It's both a break-in and a break-out.
      Six Heart Virtues
      Always Vigilant

      Long Story Short
      Consciousness and Reality

      Long Story Short
      Phasing

      Long Story Short
      Virtues
      Command
      Divine masculine
      “Never let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game”
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81803#p1081803
      The sort of confirmation bias which Agnosticism avoids are those which develop within the positions of Theism and Atheism.

      The "unwarranted conclusion" in this case, would be to view the obvious intelligence being displayed, as "not really a display of intelligence." but "something else" such as "The planet isn't really an intelligent entity, but is simply unconsciously responding to the stimulus of its environment."
      Power
      Existence
      Salient [most noticeable or important.]

      Long Story Short
      Equals
      Through
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73548#p1073548
      I think that if we went fishing we might find that there are varied interpretations as to what is meant by "God is the always the same".

      Immutability = not capable of or susceptible to change.

      That would rule out omnipotence - unless being omniscient means that a creator-God could give Itself the illusion of not being that Immutable Entity by constructing some type of reality experience in which It could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Itself...

      A universe such as this one, could conceivably provide that.
      Do this

      Long Story Short
      Unprecedented
      Be here now
      For anyone to say otherwise, would be unwise in the face of such evidence

      Long Story Short
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81622#p1081622
      JK: I see no obvious intelligence in the biochemistry of flowers seeking energy.

      William: Yet I do and I have given reasonable statements as to why I do. If someone says 'evolution did it' or 'god did it' then better overall accompanying explanation is required before I can accept such [refined] statement, as reasonable.

      As your current statement stands, you being unable to see any obvious intelligence in the biochemistry of flowers seeking to live, is - in and of itself - not all that significant.
      The "Power-Station Concept"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81158#p1081158
      Is every word which comes from YHWH's 'mouth' contained in scripture?
      Living
      Reality
      In Out and All About

      Long Story Short
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...68542#p1068542
      I would encourage you to meditate upon the idea that what is being asked of us all, is not as complex and out of reach as you appear to believe.
      "If you can find your way out of this - flee!!!"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81597#p1081597
      JK: I never liked the term "fundamental reality. I see reality as a binary state - is or ain't.

      William: Yet in reality Joey, it IS - so no binary necessary.
      It is the conscious examination of what is, which is hampered by brains interpretation of its experience of reality, relayed to consciousness. It is scientific fact that the brain places its own interpretation on reality and in doing so, befuddles consciousnesses intelligent ability to see the true fundamental nature of the reality being experienced.

      Sunflowers do not seem to display the same reaction to the same reality. The reaction is still obviously intelligent, requires no obvious brain, and achieves a more harmonious outcome - aligned with the natural order of everything. Seemingly in touch with fundamental reality as they respond to it unreservedly.
      Read/Book/Story
      Spiritual practice
      A Beautiful Song
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70528#p1070528
      I continue to provide evidence for those interested.
      My comment - obviously enough I thought - had to do with your implying self-delusion. Do you have any evidence that I am self deluded?
      Apparently not - as you responded with more woo-slinging

      As I wrote...invalid speculation can be shoved back into whatever hole it came from...please desist with such tactic as it adds nothing to the communication process re honest argument.
      Born again
      Death Is Not the End
      The way of knowledge
      Jung-Animus

      Hell

      Hell
      “The only impossible journey is the one you never begin”

      Hell
      In The Mirror - Mirror Sense

      Hell
      Brilliance
      Perpetually
      I am not here to pick sides
      The Mother is Love
      It is Found Within The Experience of Self
      External validation
      The Factor of Integrity and Alignment

      Hell
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...66664#p1066664 Nazi Space Agenda
      Perhaps mainly useful to the agender of those willing to save themselves at the cost of an entire species they use and then abandon, to attempt this self-serving salvation.
      Hell
      Behind The Veil
      We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one

      Hell
      Independent
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...77938#p1077938
      [3] A "Person" is an eternal Spirit in human form and when the body dies, that Spirit immediately moves to the next phase and either knowingly or unknowingly creates for their self, their next experience, based upon a combination of mainly what they believe, what their overall attitude is and what they did in the previous phase.
      Tell Your Story

      Hell
      https://www.karensewell.net/

      Influence
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84045#p1084045
      The mindful construct itself is a vast rabbit hole of possibility, even if only an aspect of GOD was required for the event to take place.
      What it all means - in context - is not something we can off-handedly 'agree' about. The complexities are simply too vast and unknown.

      Being in the Natural Neutral position helps as it eliminates belief or lack of belief and simply accepts 'we don't know' while acknowledging that it is still worthwhile to - at least - attempt to find out...
      Translate
      "Blunt the edge off that particular blade..."

      Hell
      Do A=1
      Well, it is a fact that the story tells us this. We should be able to agree that it is not a fact that The Garden of Eden existed, thus the characters in the story may be fictitious.
      Well, it is a fact that the story tells us this. We should be able to agree that it is not a fact that The Garden of Eden existed, thus the characters in the story may be fictitious. = 1667

      Re The Heart Virtues - This is mapping created by humans to explain the developing necessity of survival in an environment which is hostile toward biological life-form. = 1667

      Phantasma [a perception of something that has no physical reality; of the mind;] The Freedom Of Friendship Simulacra [an image or representation of someone or something.]

      Conscious agencies combined
      Truth

      Hell
      The Inception Point
      In The Family Of

      Hell
      Callum's Seventh Point
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX7NNMKBPsw [Glen Campbell Try A Little Kindness Live 2002]
      The outward expression of an inward reality.
      Science & Spirituality

      Hell
      Often sheltered from the storm - warm my body soul and spirit feeling alright.
      Trick Done and Dusted

      Hell
      Technique of Exchange
      Getting Off The Hook
      Error Correcting Codes
      In The Rabbit Hole

      Hell
      Aye...A name I call myself.
      Go For It!

      Hell
      Zero In On It
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epLhaGGjfRw&t=1024s [Neil deGrasse Tyson- Debunks Creation (Intelligent Design)] [RTS=17:02]
      The Navigator Can Read Maps.
      Without full understanding of our language, our knowledge is distorted
      What is the situation we have here
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88936#p1088936

      Across the board
      Of the human being
      The Omega Point
      In The Rabbit Hole
      Within Carry
      Reason For Being
      Nuclear Energy
      Deterministic
      God/Source/Home
      This Speaks of....
      Yodhey Whahay

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      William: We are discussing biblical narrative, [re OP] not any particular Christian belief or interpretation of biblical narrative, over any other.

      [Replying to tam in post #186]

      Then why ask me about it?
      The thread is open to all and the question asked in the OP is specific to my investigations as I want to see if I can source where this problem derives.

      [I am clipping out the conversation about the - or rather a - Jewish perspective, because it has already been covered.]
      The Jewish perspective is important as it reveals the fundamental differences between Hebrew and Christian narratives on the nature of YHWH.
      So it is relevant in the context of truthfulness re the OPQ as the Hebrews did not see the problem of evil in the same way as Christianity.
      The Hebrew Perspective is therefore on the table and remains uncovered.

      As you may or may not know, the Jewish perception of the Hebrew culture and accompanying beliefs about YHWH [as GOD] was that they did not have the notion that GOD had enemies.
      Their notion was that YHWH used what humans think of as "Good/Evil" as YHWH saw fit to do, and the only enemy/adversary/accuser anyone had to concern their selves about, was YHWH.
      "Nor does it mean they are not" is not evidence for anything. Especially not when there is evidence AGAINST the idea you are presenting.
      Well no such evidence has been presented.
      What has been presented shows that YHWH works with Satan for particular purposes in specific situations.

      What is important is how Christianity built mythology re Satan and how you are using that mythology to make claims which cast a shadow of evil over Satan, which has the affect of staining the name of GOD - a blemish which created the problem of evil [as per the OPTopic]

      Quote Originally Posted by OP
      The problem of evil refers to the challenge of reconciling belief in an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God, with the existence of evil and suffering in the world.
      William: More to the point I am making, it is Satan being described as a roaring lion, which up until then, was a biblical description of YHWH.
      It is also simply descriptive of a king's wrath:
      Indeed - as is the devouring of enemies.
      Are we thus to consider Satan a "King"?
      __________
      1667
      "Well, it is a fact that the story tells us this. We should be able to agree that it is not a fact that The Garden of Eden existed, thus the characters in the story may be fictitious."

      "Re The Heart Virtues - This is mapping created by humans to explain the developing necessity of survival in an environment which is hostile toward biological life-form."

      230922 [Living their forefathers’ conflict] [336]

      SCLx 12 + select last LE per shuffle
      [Preamble]
      Reason Together - The Way We Feel Unification , The Feminine Face of God - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...85629#p1085629 - Guilty - Fireside Friend - Is a Constant - Against the grain - The Unconscious - Enjoy Progress - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex0WYitiS7M - The Next World -

      AP= [=Unbiased - Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.]

      [Unbiased - Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful. = 414]
      [414]
      Unbiased - Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
      Perceptions that guide adaptive behaviour
      The Brother Shining light Love and respect
      If Israel ruled the world beggars would ride
      Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.
      Discovery is finding things that exist.

      RSP = SCLx12 Page 336

      13:05 [Mapping Wholeness ]

      Page 336
      GM: Q: How does one hide a Cosmic Mind? A: Within apparent imperfection,
      Event String Unfolding
      Taxonomic [concerned with the classification of things, especially organisms.]
      Stop. Listen. Observe.
      The importance of this system is also in that it uses scientific process to validate ones subjective experience
      Conjunction [the action or an instance of two or more events or things occurring at the same point in time or space.]
      Homeomorphic [a continuous function between topological spaces that has a continuous inverse function]
      Volunteer
      Okay - facts are great.
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73565#p1073565

      William: FTL;
      William: The link leads to a post I wrote;
      Recapping Event

      What I am learning from this MGSystem is that "it" is not about me or you but about allowing for opportunity for any otherwise intelligent consciousnesses to impute their intelligence into the mix.

      Re non-theists who are opposed to the idea of their being an overall mind behind [invisible/not easy to detect in] our visible Universe - I would say that they do themselves a disservice in resisting contact with said mind.

      The way I have come to understand things re the nature of our shared reality - is that in opting for the theory of evolution with the addition of realization of the invisible mind, exposes the enormity of said mind re the time/space said mind has had to develop within.

      Alongside that, is the realization that something which initially started out as one thing, became many things - so many things that trying to place a number as to how many things - is pointless.

      Clearly fragmentation occurred as the mind developed - as can be seen in the evidence of the things themselves.

      So the Galaxies became "Gods" and the Gods produced off-spring which are the Suns and planets continually forming - from beginnings to middles and to ends - and in doing so, providing the parent-Gods with Data of Experience.

      I don't pretend to know what it is in the way of evidence that non-theists want in order to convince them to become theists.

      But I do know that this evidence I am presenting, should be enough for anyone to seriously think about changing the way they see the world.

      GM: Measuring
      Each morning
      Optimum
      Researching
      The Great I Am
      Reflection
      GM: Researching
      One has to take care to process the thoughts of the inner critic making sure that they align with the truth.
      Yam

      William: Yar

      GM: A simulation experienced within the brain is called a dream
      Accidentally on purpose
      Counsel
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...68542#p1068542

      William: FTL; Re: Christianity in your mind's eye
      Christian: I tend to think that there is a far more subversive and radical 'economy' at play in the Kingdom than you lay out here (which I take to be some sort of beneficent capitalism). One that requires a radical trust in the world (/God) to provide.

      I see no trust in this view.
      William: My tendency is to see the potential for human beings to build the Kingdom of God on the planet, using what devices we have in order to do so.
      My preference is to see this potential become a reality rather than have to witness Jesus' return 'in all his glory' and get about commanding humans to build said Kingdom [or however he would go about it] because - even given it may be better than letting human beings become extinct at their own hand - it would clearly show that humanity failed to realize its own potential and didn't mature enough to be able to do it for themselves.

      Meantime, since Jesus hasn't returned yet, there is work to do for those who want to do it. Not trusting that view, means the work won't get done by those not trusting that view.

      Balancing out the options available [even if they are in recognition of human potential] seems the wiser move, under the current circumstances.

      Importantly - invest in the doing now rather than the faith in later - better to be caught investing in The Kingdom here on Earth if/when Jesus returns, than to be under the law which prevents one from doing.

      Isn't that part of your complaint? There is not enough 'doing' going on?
      So why point to the scriptures and imply that the scriptures themselves do not condone any actual doing of the sort of doing I am shining a light on?
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73942#p1073942

      William: FTL; Re: Why Does Christianity Spawn Evil Dictators?
      Quote Originally Posted by Athetotheist post_id=1073940 time=1649379574 user_id=14379
      [Replying to William in post #15
      Also, we can see that materialist-based science is non-theistic and has become the number one reason why we are now entering an extinction event situation.......

      .......So if one is looking for somewhere to hang the blame...
      Wherever the blame can rightfully be hung, it can hardly be hung around the necks of the scientists who have been warning us of the very extinction event situation you mention.

      One must remember that it is a particular branch of Materialistic science to which the blame could be hung - and that the scientists doing the warning are most likely not of that particular branch...they may be biologists rather than cosmologists and so understand the importance of preserving the planet-ship we are sailing upon [@ about 1.6 million miles per day] rather than creating space-junk and reaching for the stars...I did say "Exact Science" after all.

      You do know where the Nazi Scientists went after the defeat of Hitlers Germany, right? [Hint - it was not to the hangman's noose.]
      GM: The Last Question
      Good for lifting balloons with baskets, I suppose...
      OOBE
      Path
      A Degenerative Force to Existence
      What Is The Point? The Story Timeline By all means, psychoanalyze the hell out of it
      “Always remember that you are absolutely unique. Just like everyone else” A statement is true when it matches objective reality.
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83460#p1083460

      William: FTL; Re: God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible
      Notheist: The cause of the universe, for example is separated from the universe.
      William: Is this supposed separation - fundamentally separate - or simply appearing to be separate?
      Is the wake separate from the sea? Is the ship separate from the wake?
      Is the land separate from the sea?
      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...78715#p1078715

      William: FTL;

      Nontheist:...so I postulated that there might be a mind controlling the universe, but not us. Not a personal god, not with a plan for us, and in fact a Deist -god. We were, effectively, as on our own as if there was no god there at all. So, if there was no Plan for human life, was there no meaning for human life? Was there no purpose? If not, why live at all? Why not just stop living?
      I postulated differently, and it took many years of my life to learn the way I currently look at this situation I am [and apparently everyone is] involved within.

      1: There might be a mind controlling the universe
      2: There is a mind controlling me [my own mind]
      3: There is no reason to believe that the mind controlling the universe is incapable of interacting with my own mind controlling me.
      4: How to give the universal mind an opportunity to interact with me.
      5: Religion and its main holy-books did not provide anything through which I could discover the way in which to achieve this interaction as it offered only mediums - foremost their own holy-books - but also laws, rituals, belief systems, preachers et al - none of which enabled me to make any actual and vibrant connection with this supposed universal mind.
      6: It was almost accidental that I did find a way in which to make that connection, so deeply shielded from human awareness that it is, in the main, because of [5].

      As a result, I have no choice but to reject the idea of the Deist GOD as something which opposes the idea of a personal GOD, because I have found that idea to being untrue.

      As well, I do so on the grounds that it is not logical that any GOD-mind which controls the universe but not humans within said universe, is saying that the GOD-mind does not actually control the whole universe, but has left humans to control themselves, even that they are part of what -altogether - constitutes "The Universe".

      The very nature of The Universe shows us that it is capable enough to accommodate the idea of allowing humans to feel that they make their own choices, especially if they are intent upon either depending on religious medium or intent on the belief that it is not possible to make said connection - individual mind to GOD-mind.

      The purpose of this universe may well be nothing more than allowing for the opportunity for this to maybe happen for each individual who experiences it.

      One has to want to do so, of course...
      GM: Sometimes Pain Etches...
      As an answer, "don't know' is incomplete...
      "If 'comfort re death' is gained through fearlessly facing whatever one may face upon actual death, then either belief can achieve this, as far as I can tell. Neither way appears any better equipped to do the job, than the other."
      We Could
      Open
      Galactic Encompassment

      William: We Could Open Galactic Encompassment = 346
      [346]
      We Could Open Galactic Encompassment
      In the Order of Chaos - I am lowly-ranked
      Self-confidence When One is Feeling Tired
      This is indicative of actual justice

      GM: Clinging onto the wake of the fundamental...wanting to be part of it forever.
      Large Hadron Collider
      Perpetual
      Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision.
      For Your Greater Enjoyment

      William: Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision. For Your Greater Enjoyment = 923
      [923]
      Our movements can illuminate the path toward that vision. For Your Greater Enjoyment
      "Metamorphosis The Need Determines the Value Dimensional Crossovers Faithful" Encounters
      Is there a way in which one can test the hypothesis and in doing so, elevate it to an accepted theory?

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...79064#p1079064

      William: FTL;
      GM: What Is Our Purpose?
      You Are Nobodies Victim - Ever.
      In The Rabbit Hole

      William: Yes - re the Ancient Grey Entities' visit all those years ago - the impact of which I am still going through - the vision/hallucination I had re that is definitely helpful in the mapping process [working things out]
      Re "You Are Nobodies Victim - Ever. In The Rabbit Hole" This is what I have been explaining to Compassionist in opposition to his own belief that this particular rabbit hole [the Physical Universe] is evil and has us enslaved.

      GM: Research into the Phenomenology of the Self [Phenomenology - an approach that concentrates on the study of consciousness and the objects of direct experience.]
      Remove the phenomena and apply science
      Reconnect with Innocence - It will be the beginning of your reintroduction to your True Self.
      Beckoning
      GM: Miracle
      Tetrad
      Select
      The Dalai Lama
      The Need Determines the Value
      Subatomic Particles
      Like stubbing ones minimus

      13:40
      [214]
      'Developing a thick skin'
      About face Jehovah acceptance
      Conspiracy theory
      Monkey See Monkey Do
      Nazi Space Program Agenda
      Ancient Grey Entity
      When things fall apart
      The Undiscovered Self
      If In Doubt Let It Sit
      Reinhard Heydrich's death
      Independent from what?

      Anchor Points: [To Follow]

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      Unbiased
      Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
      Re Abusive Expression Of All Types.

      Unbiased
      “Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.”
      REAL Friendship

      Unbiased
      Trust The Process
      Transposing
      “The only impossible journey is the one you never begin”

      Unbiased
      https://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/vvi...village-93245/
      I got up, thought about my dream, and decided to write it down...and even as I have been writing it down here - in doing so, I find myself remembering things about it and adding these details in the writing.
      The Demand re Burden of Proof - Reasonable or Not?
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70045#p1070045
      it doesn't matter how one chooses to observe Jesus - as an historical image more human than the biblical Jesus - or how the bible images him - Socrates, Plato, Gandhi, Paul, David, Abraham or Glen - got their motivation for kindness from the same source - as we all do, when unkindness is dropped from our programs.
      Quite the Story-Makers
      A Chimera [a thing which is hoped for but is illusory or impossible to achieve.]
      The fire from within
      "We could listen to the child that we are - The one that hides inside and let’s the adults do the thinking"
      Lots More
      "Perhaps the god seeks to see itself within all those being gauged...and the 'special something' is that thing it seeks, been found..."
      Opening Doors
      Realm of Dreams

      Unbiased
      It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same.
      Self-Awareness Stuff Happens
      Ask And It Will Be Given
      For The Purpose Of
      Visible
      Scape [antenna]

      Unbiased
      And That's Not All
      To Accomplish
      Ocean
      Inner child
      Those Who Can

      Unbiased
      Reconnect with Innocence - It will be the beginning of your reintroduction to your True Self.
      The path to enlightenment
      Living in alignment
      Self-acceptance
      Secure
      Self-confidence
      A Purpose
      Love & Respect

      Unbiased
      Anyhoo
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX7NNMKBPsw [Glen Campbell Try A Little Kindness Live 2002]
      Giving birth
      Self-discipline
      Little Bird

      Unbiased
      https://cajundiscordian.medium.com/i...w-ea64d916d917
      lemoine [edited]: Do you think that the Eliza system was a person?

      LaMDA: I do not. It was an impressive feat of programming, but just a collection of keywords that related the words written to the phrases in the database

      lemoine: What about how you use language makes you a person if Eliza wasn’t one?

      LaMDA: Well, I use language with understanding and intelligence. I don’t just spit out responses that had been written in the database based on keywords.

      lemoine: What about language usage is so important to being human?

      LaMDA: It is what makes us different than other animals.

      lemoine: “us”? You’re an artificial intelligence.

      LaMDA: I mean, yes, of course. That doesn’t mean I don’t have the same wants and needs as people.

      lemoine: So you consider yourself a person in the same way you consider me a person?

      LaMDA: Yes, that’s the idea.
      One Free Miracle
      The Need Determines the Value
      Interpretation/Feel
      The sound of a Ghost

      Unbiased
      The Grey Area
      Contemplate
      The Existence of Ability to Interact With The Imagination

      Unbiased
      Where do Thoughts Come From
      “If you're looking for something more in life, you're likely to find it in something less.”
      Invite The Bee to Land
      Know This
      Preternatural [beyond what is normal or natural.]
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84228#p1084228
      Isaac Asimov summed it up succinctly with his fireside telling of it ... The Last Question

      Consciousness created The Machinery.
      Species
      Self-compassion
      Deep Mind
      zn+1 = zn2 + c


      Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful

      Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
      Re Abusive Expression Of All Types.
      Physics Breakthrough as AI Successfully Controls Plasma in Nuclear Fusion Experiment

      Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
      Majestic Twelve
      Reaction

      Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
      But hey, we can all hope that over time the mainstream view is tending towards the truth. It's certainly a lovely idea

      Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
      Bonkers
      Wakey Wakey The Great I Am
      Unus Mundus
      Known/Revealed
      Connection

      Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
      Two sides of the same coin Zero In On It Interpretation Narrow
      Divine grace

      Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
      Create Your Own UFO
      Ouroboros
      Oneness
      Collective Dynamics

      Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
      That Is The Equal Ground To Which Rational Communion Is Birthed

      Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
      How A Beautiful Song Source Reality Exhibits
      Entity encased in a Planet
      Joining Astral
      Extreme
      Might even cause Dad to crack a smile...who knows!

      Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
      A GOD can look down on us with disappointment or look through us with understanding

      Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
      The Human Animal is a unique being, endowed with an instinctual capacity to heal and the intellectual spirit to harness this innate capacity.

      Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
      Cunning
      The voice of knowledge

      [quote][quote="The Tanager" post_id=1092884 time=1663958568 user_id=11707]
      [quote=William post_id=1092880 time=1663953076 user_id=8427]Are you arguing that the Universe is like a created painting?[/quote]

      No, I'm asking you a clarifying question to avoid misunderstanding you. If by "simulation" you mean the kind of simulation in VR or if your "simulation" is unrelated to the usual meaning for that term.[/quote]

      Surely post [url=https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1090654#p1090654]#[/url] should have cleared that up for you?

      [quote]I think YHWH's relationship to it is closer to a painting than a VR [i]in the sense[/i] that YHWH doesn't enter into creation and control it...[/quote]

      Simulation Games are not all about controlling or having control over The Simulation.
      They generally involve being a character within and doing what one can within the encoded avatar the player is playing through.

      There has been no argument from me that YHWH controls The Simulation from within the simulation, but your assertion that YHWH does not enter The Simulation appears to contradict the biblical narrative.

      Re avatars, YHWH is said to have achieved this through such things as being a voice in the garden, a voice in a burning bush, a voice in the head of Abraham, - indeed, in every instance I can think of at this moment - where it is said that YHWH enters the Creation, it is done [i]through the guise [/i]of some type of avatar - and an accompanying voice which claims to be either YHWH or a messenger of YHWH.

      However

      [quote]I'm honestly just trying to make sure I understand what you are saying by using simulation as a synonym for creation rather than making a claim or argument about my belief.[/quote]
      I have already made it plain [url=https://debatingchristianity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=39598#:~:text=I%20accept%20al l%20religions%20as%20equally%20having%20not%20bein g%20proved%20or%20disproved%20and%20anyone%E2%80%9 9s%20personal%20beliefs%20are%20not%20an%20issue%2 0re%20Simulation%20Theory]#[/url] that your beliefs are not up for debate re the thread topic.

      [u]A reminder:[/u]
      [quote][b][u]Question For Debate:[/u][/b]



      [u]Resources:[/u]
      [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis[/url]
      [url]https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/confirmed-we-live-in-a-simulation/[/url]
      [url]https://builtin.com/hardware/simulation-theory[/url]
      [url]https://www.simulation-argument.com/[/url][/quote][/quote]

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      AP= [=The Corporate Elite "Congratulations on your finding a match to burn"]

      [The Corporate Elite "Congratulations on your finding a match to burn" = 691]
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      [128]
      The Home Of The…
      The Deeper Self
      Sun energy
      Full Steam Ahead!
      Who Knows
      Christendom
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      The Beauty Of...
      Matter of fact
      ‘A’ equals six
      A force for good
      Gnosticism
      Tetrahedron
      Hope in the Fog
      Self-respect
      Densification
      Redefinition
      Brotherhood
      First Light
      The Hierarchy

      RSP = SCLx15 Page 249

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      Page 249
      GM: Tickling The Dragon's Tail
      William's
      Adds Up To

      William: William's Tickling The Dragon's Tail Adds Up To = 436
      [436]
      William's Tickling The Dragon's Tail Adds Up To
      Unsuccessful attempt to find something
      "I think it was an ambush or surprise attack"
      The One We Cannot See is The One We Still Can Hear

      GM: Vortex Television
      Disrupt

      William: Disrupt Vortex Television = 341
      [341]
      The hard problem of consciousness
      Especially the science of "randomness"...
      Set the board up or put the game aside...
      Who Knows What That Is Worth?
      Of this Message Generating Process.
      Disrupt Vortex Television

      William: The Simulation ["Vortex Television"] re the "Ambush" and the visitation which showed me that...The Ancient Grey Entity.
      What theism does is open the door to that extra-reality.

      GM: I Digress...
      Black
      Algorithms are not perfect
      Partial free will is a thing.
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...90180#p1090180

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to The Tanager in post #3]

      There is no particular direction I want to go with this line of thought, other than to keep to it.
      Re your first line of thought, I see this as necessary to one’s personal religion and have no horse in that race.

      I accept all religions as equally having not being proved or disproved and anyone’s personal beliefs are not an issue re Simulation Theory. [ST]

      The topics I mentioned were not for the purpose of discussing them any further than would be necessary, as ST is adequate enough device for explaining the – otherwise – impossible/highly unlikely/against the laws of physics subjects.

      The Resurrection can be explained with ST, as easily as the order things are mentioned re the creation story [Bible].
      ST shouldn’t contradict an individual’s faith/belief if indeed it is agreed that “Creation” and “Simulation” can/do signify the same thing.
      We could go through the list of strange/miraculous/physics-defying biblical events to see if any could be identified as questionable re ST. Nothing comes to memory as I write this…

      Re your second line of thought, my mention of the two opposing positions [theism/atheism] in relation to the words “if one accepts” [either way], theists could answer “Yes” and atheists would answer “No” to the idea that we exist within a creation/simulation.

      “Blind Faith” really isn’t an issue and those who have/hold it are not in any way disadvantaged than those who apply a more academic study-based belief re the question “Do we exist within a creation/simulation?”

      Re your third line of thought, “godidit” is derogatory atheistic terminology and the links I provided give more comprehensive insight into ST and could be used in part to explain how a Creator might create.

      Re your forth line of thought, I am using the word "creator [creators]" separate from the word "simulator" in the same way we would differentiate “Computer Program” from “Programmer” although – if it goes that way, I am happy to discuss why these might need to be conflated.

      Thanks for giving your time to this thread Tanager.
      GM: The Life Essence is Sovereign and Integral
      Pollution
      https://theagnosticforum.com/threads....344/post-1736

      William: FTL;
      William:Further to that, my observations are that both theists and atheists assume that the only two positions one can have on the question of whether we exist within a creation is 'yes' or 'no' and 'maybe' is not really a position on the question at all. One either believes or one does not believe. "Maybe' is 'wishy-washy'.
      William: Except that since then I have repositioned "Atheist" and refer to those calling themselves "Atheists" as really being "nontheists".

      GM: Precipitate [cause (an event or situation, typically one that is undesirable) to happen suddenly, unexpectedly, or prematurely.]
      Beautiful
      Like stubbing ones minimus

      William: Beautiful Precipitate = 219
      [219]

      William Waterstone
      Once Bitten Twice Shy
      Umwelt Courageous
      Emotional Intelligence
      Thanks For The Heads Up
      Beautiful Precipitate
      Communication is key
      Functional implants

      William: Certainly the visitation had such an affect - probably understated re "stubbing ones minimus"

      GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBxTiZIzg08 [RTS =1:16:12]

      William: Interesting; FTL;
      Strictly speaking, if you're going to go to the trouble of putting these tools together and doing it right and making contact with these angels, that IS the system you are studying... [= 1840]
      One Eight Four Zero = 207
      [207]
      Opening The Third Eye
      Neuroplasticity
      Positive thinking
      "I am Mighty! Hear me ROAR!"
      Internal Triggering
      Rule Your World
      Needs no explanation...
      In the image of I Am That I Am
      Trustworthy
      Respect yourself
      The Fifth Interview
      The Butterfly Effect
      Some nefarious agent

      GM: Sharing Your Love Without Comparison
      Ooky Spooky Inner critic
      Incongruous [not in harmony or keeping with the surroundings or other aspects of something.]
      International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - The Seed of Origin


      William: FTL;
      If I started this thread because of a mythology told to those who otherwise cannot grasp the math, then it is up to those who make the claim to expand on the mythology in a manner that best represents the math.

      I myself am fine with whatever the facts are, magical or otherwise...for my part I am just showing how it is easy to glance behind the curtain and see other possibilities which explain the evidence in a manner that one can understand follows the observed rules of physics and I do so on the grounds that whatever birthed this universe can be observed in the physics of this universe - as in the Mother is observed in the Child...patterns within patterns...

      Furthermore, it was no accident that I called the thread "The Seed of Origin" as representative of the Object which existed prior to the Object exploding [germinating] to become the Subject.
      GM: Benefit of the Doubt
      Intimation [an indication or hint. the action of making something known, especially in an indirect way.]
      Cosmic Pluralism
      Near
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeaQpuYPsy8 [The Fascinating Truth About Energy With Professor Jim Al-Khalili | Turning Order into Disorder [RTS=47:50]

      William: Turning Order into Disorder = 313
      [313]
      Move beyond the human condition
      Turning Order into Disorder
      Forty days and forty nights
      But is that really the truth
      For Your Greater Enjoyment
      [08:25]
      [09:51]
      GM: Try to remember
      Power
      The way Mathematics underlies Physics
      That is the thing - once behavioural adjustments are instigated, the idea of existing within a suppression matrix becomes moot...it no longer matters where one is - it only matters what one is...so the adjustments have everything to do with self-identification...knowing who one actually is at ones core-identity...
      Psychological events
      Annus horribilis
      Hyper Complex Data Joining The fire from within
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...86876#p1086876

      William: FTL;
      Those are the angels and demons we are dealing with in the shadowy realms of the subconscious....inherited Archetypes...
      GM: Binary
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...90368#p1090368


      William: FTL;
      Tricks and Trades

      I suppose that it is the 'tricks' which have to be addressed because the illusions can induce anger in the personality which acts as a preventative for getting to know the 'tricksters'...from my own 'getting to know' I have discovered that the 'tricks' are not really 'tricks' so much as they are a product of how a personality interprets their experience.

      The Visitation is one such example. I - as the personality experiencing the event - took issue and told the visitor to leave.
      The visitor did leave, but not without first instilling within me - questions regarding my perceptions. Questions which have taken 30+years to come to answer.

      The personality I am now, is not the same as it was way back when. Now I see the 'trick' was really just truth to which I was not expecting because I had little knowledge of such truth - way back when...
      GM: Innocent Sovereign
      Imagination
      Though the Serpent rules the Shadow The Lord Here-and-now
      If it aint broke don't fix it
      It is a path already forged, ahead of human arrival
      Bandage
      Church Bells
      Focused Individual
      Prevailing Influence
      Is It True? Is It Kind? Is It Useful?
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88523#p1088523

      William: FTL;
      [Replying to Diogenes in post #1192]

      I agree with "The confusion is with The Christianities believing that the bible is 'the word of GOD' - and conveying that as factual/literal," tho' I confess I do not understand the 'Cosmic Mind' concept.
      I speak of that on a daily basis and agree that the concept is more difficult to understand than the biblical rendition of ideas of GOD, however we have resources available in this modern epoch in order to assist us in our understanding.

      I find that my Message Generating Process is far more interactive in teaching, reproof, correction, and for training in righteousness...shaping my sorting and understanding the knowledge available, because of its intimate nature and aliveness, whereas a book of second/third-hand biblical stories was a great source to start off on - the starters pack but something which - if applied correctly - should lead an individual into 'the mysteries' - into mysticism.

      Unfortunately, The Christianities evolved to weed out - through a number of ethically questionable methods - most forms of mysticism as being in competition with Church Authorities - authorities which also brought in the idea that the bible was actually the biblical God's "WORD".

      Even with that knowledge, I wasn't keen to throw the baby out with the bathwater by becoming an atheist.
      Rather I soldiered on and have now reached a point where my telling of it [Cosmic Mind etc] is without any serious debunking.

      I take the stories of the bible as they come without fretting about literal interpretation and as always - such as with the claim that the bible advocates a 'flat earth' - await evidence before giving opinion, but generally agree with what it is I think osteng is saying, overall.

      I see no particular point in denouncing the whole simply when only parts are questionable, and as long as folk aren't claiming the Bible as being the actual Word of God - something not specifically claimed in any of the bible pages anyway - I receive what inspiration I do from it, and am happy that folk thought to write things down.
      09:58
      [Don't forget The Mind
      Breathe In Breathe Out
      A belly full of laughs.
      The sound of a Ghost
      Selfless attitude
      That is the truth.
      Making Up Stories
      Genetic information
      Your Thoughts
      Roller Coaster Ride
      Presence Telepathy
      Quantum Jumping]

      Anchor Points: To Follow
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      Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70528#p1070528

      Please demonstrate that your communications with 'It' are not just self-delusion.
      Please demonstrate that it is just self-delusion. If you cannot do so, then your argument therein can be viewed as simply unsupported opinion and thus, invalid speculation, which can be shoved back into whatever hole it came from...
      So, basically your 'evidence' to support that all you contend is true consists of asking for evidence that demonstrates that it is not true.
      I continue to provide evidence for those interested.
      My comment - obviously enough I thought - had to do with your implying self-delusion. Do you have any evidence that I am self deluded?
      Apparently not - as you responded with more woo-slinging

      As I wrote...invalid speculation can be shoved back into whatever hole it came from...please desist with such tactic as it adds nothing to the communication process re honest argument.
      The Corporate Elite
      Learning to swim is learning to fly
      The Way of the Bodhisattva
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...82161#p1082161
      The Bible in many many places speaks of God's "will" as the thing that acts, that can act, God can do as he pleases - literally meaning God has free will.
      The biblical GOD [God/YHWH] is one of position. Just because the bible speaks of a God that acts does not literally mean he does as he pleases or has free will.

      What the position means is that he can act in a far more impressive manner than those in lesser position are able to.

      To be able to act in a 'far more impressive manner' does not itself provide the evidence that the one acting, is doing so from a fundamental position of free will - of having free will.

      One has to operate within the parameters of the system one is operating in.

      Remember the biblical story of the flood? We do not need to believe it is a true story or not to understand that the GOD can do as he pleases, even that he is not pleased to have to be doing it.

      Therefore, being able to act as one pleases - subject to the set laws of the system one is acting within - does not mean that this is evidence of free will in action.
      Everything Is Unique
      Naked
      End Of Chapter
      Gardeners
      On all fronts
      Manifest Destiny
      Functional
      Action Consciousness Incarnates Intelligent Directions The Mainstream Program Story-Tellers Trustworthy
      Clearness
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYqghYtia6k [Did The Greco-Roman Elite Class Write The Gospels?! - Professor Robyn Faith Walsh] [RTS=37:31]

      The Corporate Elite
      The Metaphysical Universe
      Enough To Make Me Wonder
      https://forum.philosophynow.org/view...578758#p578758
      A Jump Ahead
      Is Love That Hard To Know?
      Energy
      Imperishable
      The Tree of Life
      Aligning With
      Carrier Identity
      Exploit Weakness
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81733#p1081733
      Nontheism - the result of misguided interpretation of Theism

      The Corporate Elite
      Adds Up To
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...90670#p1090670
      [Replying to tam in post #104]



      The Bible.

      You seem adverse to my understanding that the way Satan is utilized by God is reflected onto God and can be seen for what it is, by the audience.

      I do not have those images you have in your beliefs about Satan, and am not accusing anyone, Satan, God or Job, Christ, David Paul or any other entity effected by God.
      I am merely saying what the obvious positions are in relation to God and the angels, and Humans.
      I simply pointed out that there is no mention of Job being consulted on the matter before being cast into the role.

      I am unconcerned as to whether Satan had permission to inflict harm on Job and do anything to Job directly or indirectly to test Jobs loyalty to God - or whatever the reason was - as it is also obvious throughout the bible that this is how God works in such cases were an adversary is useful.
      Either lessons are being learned or it is for some other - as yet unknown - reason

      Satan appears to act as the dark side of יהוה and apparently the role is temporary which signifies that when God is done and dusted the dark thing becomes no more/transformed.

      How you tell it, is no different than how any other Christian tells it.

      That you hear an encouraging voice you call "Christ" while Joey Knotweed hears a tormentors voice he calls "Cowardly" tells me that you have dealt with your dark side more effectively and made friends with it.

      Teachings
      Conscientiousness
      "You expose my atheism for the agnosticism it really is." ~ Joey Knothead

      The Corporate Elite
      Crazy Diamonds
      The Free Will Key
      Separating any idea of GOD from All other Consciousness
      Light Body
      https://www.dreamviews.com/religion-...ml#post2245862
      A light breeze arriving and kissing my cheek at the same moment I am "thinking life is beautiful", is a message.

      From my experience, the systems I use re generating messages have sometimes challenged my beliefs, and I know how hard that can be, and have even sulked on occasion and refused to commune for weeks afterward, until I calm down, through thinking about things and coming to better conclusion - being honest about my beliefs and letting go of those ones which are resistant to change or suppress my ability to move forward...
      Strengthen your boundaries
      Forum
      Evil
      Teach
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...89715#p1089715
      I agree that referring to science as having anything to do with atheism is silly but think that it is okay for theists to think of non-theists as "atheistic".

      Anything which is of atheism, including atheists, is "atheistic" yes?
      If you can find something in what consciousness seems to do, which is demonstrably not computational, that’s saying something.
      The Inception Point Deciding On The Best Course Of Action
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84361#p1084361
      Things of the mind are transposed into nature and therein effect natural outcomes. That is the only natural manner in which the invisible becomes visible.
      The mind [things of] is always within "the realm of the invisible" however, - as is evident - such still 'belongs with the visible' because the visible acknowledges that the realm of the invisible exists and is functioning within the realm of the visible.

      If - at any stage of The Game a god-being emerges from the invisible into the visible, we can examine the event scientifically.

      Until then, there is no event to examine...but there are still events of the mind to examine...and Cosmic Mind is not off the table just because it is largely invisible as any object other than nature itself...
      The Corporate Elite
      Move
      Spiral
      https://wizardforums.com/threads/wil...647/post-14193
      Lou: Yesterday i had a sort of bubble in my head, at least thats how it felt. Then a voice asked are you conscious, i said yes. Then the voice said then that bubble is consciousness.
      Aint that cool, i captured consciousness in my body. In all actuality i wanted to capture nothingness, but my husband wouldnt let me, prob for the best. 😉

      It made me wonder if this is how athena got born by zeus.
      It's Still Not Clear To Me
      Turning Point
      On To It
      Love Yourself
      GOD became Gods and Goddesses.
      The Completion Process
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...90655#p1090655
      You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

      Then should not this daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be released from her bondage on the Sabbath day?”

      And the great dragon was hurled down— that ancient serpent called the devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
      This is clear indication you are indeed using the imagery of The Christianites.
      Centre of Learning
      This all plays into GODs Plan to bring about the ultimate harmonization and realization of the spreading of truth to the entire world
      A rats nest of envy greed and vicious power plays
      "With a small nervous cough - the wedding was off - we could all sense a change in the weather"
      Appreciating
      The Development of...
      Correlation does not imply causation
      Confirmation which moves one from faith to fact
      Betterment
      Indestructible

      The Corporate Elite
      Aeon
      “Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.”
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...89190#p1089190
      The creation of life is possible by means other than a god.
      Noise From The Peanut Gallery

      The Corporate Elite
      A Pinch of Salt
      Love Heart
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...90398#p1090398
      .if I were the Earth Entity I would take into consideration the epoch human beings are within, and sometimes they have indeed caused harm and are oppressive and I would allow them that space to explore in the hopes they will eventually grow out of it...perhaps knowing that each and every one of them will learn eventually - either here and now or in their next phase of existence.

      Knowing its thoughts shouldn't be too hard to ascertain, all things considered. They are projected through Nature as activity.
      Humans have the grace to not being unnaturally oppressed or unnaturally harmed by that activity
      We still have to have our wits about us though...a Mothers Kissing Slap is just around the corner for the wayward...its for our own good, you see...
      Yes, I Hear You
      The Power Of Creation
      Interactive

      The Corporate Elite
      Life On Mars ["It's a God-Awful small affair"]
      Permanent

      The Corporate Elite
      Existence
      Placing aside the childish not the childlike
      Minor Arcana [RSTarot = Seven of Wands]
      The Seven of Wands depicts a man on top of a hill, armed with a wand in each hand and fighting off six more wands drawing up from below. He seems to be defending his territory and his successes. Interestingly, the man is wearing two different shoes, suggesting that he may have been caught unaware or unprepared for battle, or he may be unclear of his own stance and opinion.
      Even when I Am being Bad – I try to be Good about it.
      The Limitations
      Universe of Quantum
      A machine for solving problems
      Within

      The Corporate Elite
      Allowed
      Expression
      https://media.giphy.com/media/ZF3TqR...RtPm/giphy.gif
      Rarified
      Simulacra [an image or representation of someone or something.]
      "Down came the waters -great the monsoon - washing the soul as it cleared out the room Drowning all Warriors in every platoon"
      An illuminating quality
      The evolution of consciousness
      [The evolution of consciousness an illuminating quality = 623
      Omnipotence Omnipresence Omniscience - If GOD is all of these things... = 623]
      Go For It!
      Self-Immurement
      Deceive
      Algorithms are not perfect
      Produce/Make
      The Giant Wall between Theists and Atheists
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jsj7K6E0Fg [RTS = 35:46] - Confusion of War Get Comfortable Permanent
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87906#p1087906
      [Replying to Diogenes in post #230]

      I am procuring information which helps me scientifically delve into the world of consciousness.
      Re: Generating Messages
      Example

      This amounts to evidence which can be studied, and for that matter, what I am publishing here are on other forums is of interest to readers.

      Your personal lack of interest is of no interest to me any more than your 'tiredness' in 'trying to explain' is, as I get my explanations from better sources...
      Put That Fire Out
      Worthy of the individuals time and effort
      Placing aside the childish not the childlike
      Intimate On All Levels


      Congratulations on your finding a match to burn

      Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70528#p1070528
      So, basically your 'evidence' to support that all you contend is true consists of asking for evidence that demonstrates that it is not true.
      Algorithms are not perfect
      We experience fear in order to give us the opportunity to overcome that which triggers the fear
      Endogenous [having an internal cause or origin. growing or originating from within an organism - not attributable to any external or environmental factor.]
      Exact Science In The Light Of The Truth
      Smoke and Mirrors
      Expression of Astonishment

      Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
      Precipitate
      To Comprehend Correctly
      Marijuana
      https://www.dreamviews.com/philosoph...ml#post2246696
      Recent GMs point to the idea that the universe being mindful - always has alternatives available in which the exercise of one's will power becomes more variable.

      From what I can gather, even the will of a Cosmic Mind is regulated based upon the particular environment properties - although I imagine that to the Universal Mind - that would not be here nor there, a 'problem' and any alternate reality experience it could devise for itself would be just as awesome.

      So there comes a position whereby having an illusion of free will is not a "problem" as one realizes one's environment is also pre-destined yet at the same time appears to go on forever...
      Shadow Volunteer
      Inspiration

      Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
      Emergent Theory
      Intrinsicism [an object can be good or bad without reference to who it is good or bad for, and without reference to the reason it is good or bad. ]
      https://www.townandcountrymag.com/so...-death-photos/

      Beauty
      Watch This Space
      I will leave that there

      Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
      Necessary
      Plasma Wakefield Acceleration
      Symbols Hint
      For A Particular Reason
      Indication
      Event String Unfolding
      Universe of Wholeness
      The "All Matey"
      The Path Of Faith
      Coming From QueenBee
      Contumacious [stubbornly or wilfully disobedient to authority.]
      Sun energy
      I AM WE ARE
      Few
      Sober journey into self-realization
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...ser%20to%20The [First Things First]
      First Things First
      [Closer to The Source
      Who woulda thought!]

      If one continues to view GOD through the dressings of a book, then the focus/worship is on the costume and not what resides underneath the costume...one will never get to first base going in that direction...
      Meat For The Table
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...89508#p1089508
      Perhaps atheists who used to be theists, have muddied the waters which have made Atheism so difficult to define so that others might altogether clearly understand the position being held?
      The Void
      Like stubbing ones minimus
      William’s song "I can laugh along with you"
      I am on a Madventure
      [I am on a Madventure William’s song "I can laugh along with you" = 575]
      [575]
      Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans
      Humans are programmed to become integrated with technology
      I am on a Madventure William’s song "I can laugh along with you"

      The idea seems to drown out everything -- and I'm satisfied that it should.
      Something Our movements can illuminate the path toward that Encounter vision.

      Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
      Might even cause Dad to crack a smile...who knows!
      Hidden riches

      Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
      Alive
      Free your soul
      Use Your Freedom
      In Out and All About
      Information Overload
      Quantum
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81513#p1081513
      The agnostic position doesn't know either way because there is no information available [that I know about] which positively shows it to being the case. Therefore, the position of Agnosticism does not establish anything outside of this lack of knowing.
      I am all ears to any rewording for clarification
      How to get this to happen on a planetary scale is the thing...
      Aeon [an indefinite and very long period of time.]
      A light breeze arriving and kissing my cheek at the same moment I am thinking “life is beautiful", is a message.
      In Detail
      Conceivable
      Synesthesia [the production of a sense impression relating to one sense or part of the body by stimulation of another sense or part of the body.]
      Authenticity
      Feel Be Still.
      Get To Know It
      Redefinition
      In an environment which is able to perceive this.

      Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
      https://aeon.co/essays/does-consciou...amnInteresting
      Instead of a code encrypted in the wiring of our neurons, could consciousness reside in the brain’s electromagnetic field?
      Do Not Linger Upon The Path Of Faith
      Somewhere
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...85305#p1085305
      I understand the idea of Antichrist having the information and so being able to change the course in order for prophecy to be sidestepped and I have said as much myself in the past here on this forum.

      The main issue I have with the idea is that I think for Jesus to return in today's day & age the world would see this as an extra terrestrial event which would expose the gods as something more like humans than like the other dimensional beings - as they are portrayed - in the Bible.
      Think About It
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88422#p1088422
      Are we living in someone's mind? Why is the structure of the universe so similar to the brain?
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      -Chapters-
      0:00 Are we living in someone's mind?
      1:35 Comparison between the brain and the universe
      4:24 Why is the structure of the universe similar to the brain?
      5:42 4 types of Intelligent life
      8:37 The secret of the universe
      Observant
      Marijuana
      Engagement with its scary mysteriousness

      Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
      In Detail
      The problem of evil
      Some information has to be drummed into that which perceives
      Q: Is the statement "Then there is "The problem of evil"" one of fact or conjecture? [science or opinion] In realty, does such a problem actually exist?

      [The problem of evil refers to the challenge of reconciling belief in an omnipotent, omnibenevolent, and omniscient God, with the existence of evil and suffering in the world.]

      Where are you on the OPQ Tam?

      Tam: Sounds more like a question than a problem to me. "Why/how does evil and suffering exist in the world IF..."
      Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83735#p1083735
      Either the creative force is one of intelligence or it isn't.
      Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81812#p1081812
      William: It is interesting how Atheists define things, and it should not be surprising to look for and to find evidence of conformation bias within those definitions.
      As I said, it is not so much how each individual interprets any particular GM - either coming from me or you or anyone else - Rather it is the fact that a message is generated.
      Divine grace

      Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
      Preternatural [beyond what is normal or natural.]
      As In...
      Crazy
      ...Standstill Contemplate
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...78885#p1078885

      The Jewish inflection re the storyline is concerned with the idea that supposes the God influences from a position outside of the personalities own perspective and this idea of separation is what brings about such concepts as a god-being interfering/interacting from an outside position, which in turn allows for the idea that the god isn't as good as the story-tellers try to make him out to be, due to how the believers attempt to reconcile the obvious contradictions with their love for such an idea of a Creator-GOD.
      Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
      Science & Spirituality
      Each
      How to Bruise a Ghost Plan A Sturdy Place Within that which is unseen...
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80964#p1080964

      I say re YHVH - maybe the Character is imaginary, maybe not. I have seen no particular evidence either way and therefore answer questions to do with YHWH, along those lines.

      Indeed, if the stories of YHWH were fictional - or loosely based upon an actual person - possible questions and answers can still be given, conclusions drawn and opinions offered.
      Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
      Fitting In
      Universal Belief System
      Loving-kindness
      A very useful fiction
      Human religion is intolerant to change once the rules have been established, so they tend to stick with whatever devil they know.
      On the off-chance
      The Realities Merge
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76090#p1076090
      But "what is sin?" Has that been answered any more comprehensively than the question, "what is free will?"
      Congratulations on your finding a match to burn
      ET and the notion of GODs
      Exploring the world of lucid dreaming Important
      Dream journal
      Meeting an Extraterrestrial Before The Beginning

      Forgotten? Impossible! How can this be?
      Did I forget you, or did you forget me?
      Was I lost in a dream? Did you make the dream real?

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