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      The consciousness of AC encompassed all of what had once been a Universe and brooded over what was now Chaos. Step by step, it must be done. And AC said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT!" And there was light ~ Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]

      Super power
      The next step
      Pearl of wisdom
      "Let There Be Light"
      _______________
      Light is information
      The Shaping Of Reality
      _______________
      Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
      Windows of opportunity
      The World has a Spiritual Design
      ________________________________________

      070422
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      If In Doubt Let It Sit - https://www.dreamviews.com/science-m...ml#post2245935 - Pervasive - The Perfect Moment - A Pinch of Salt - “Only to the extent that we expose ourselves over and over to annihilation can that which is indestructible in us be found.” - Virtual - To like it or not, one must judge it - Afterwards - Please place this on your ComList - [LINK DELETE]
      Militant Messiah - Parity - Rolling down the rails of the ridiculous - Requirements - Guilt - Ripple Effect

      William: From the first link in the above:

      "It is said of some Gods, [YHVH in particular] do have unlimited power. Is that to say YHVH is absolutely corrupt?
      I have seen it argued that he is/they are.

      But is that really the truth?

      Today's Generated Message appears to be saying that it is judgment which is the problem...that if we observe the unfolding universe as something which is meant to be the way that it is, it is best accepted as such."

      RSP = B&E select P&P + Related line entries [re]

      AP= Life Carriers

      6:35


      GM: "The belief in a mindless Planet/Universe creates the hard problem of consciousness by refusing to deal with said problem using the mind as the very instrument in order to do so."
      'everybody wants to rule the world'
      Be Honest
      Ripple Effect
      Life Carriers
      Hyper-normalisation
      Mendacious

      The Big Bang
      "What is 'The Soul' and is it Immortal?"
      Help
      "Although there are opposite sides to spectra, all elements combined form a whole"
      "Is consciousness an emergent property of the brain?"
      Toxic
      Spelling

      William: Essentially, human beings are disconnected with the fundamental knowledge of who they are, and 'in the mean time' are simply lying their way through the experience of life...and this is linked to the self-identification of being the life carrier rather than the life.
      This leads to the formation of human social structures [Hyper-normalisation] which are not telling the truth; lying. This lying is expressed through the languages humans use and the subsequent actions the use of language permits.

      GM: What Is Found Here
      Ontology
      "To Experience All That Is"
      "You are a dream gone real You’ve got exactly what it takes to make an old wound heal You tied the knot - then you let it slip Now we both know what it feels like to find a place to fit"
      Through The Unconscious Mind
      Tickling The Dragon's Tail

      William: Yes.

      GM: Earth teachers (physical and non-physical) unite humanity to the Sovereign Integral
      Idealistic
      We Could
      Wanting to change the rules making things more complicated rather than keeping things simple.
      Great Ideas
      Stagnant
      Welcome
      "It helps makes the stinky hole I was pushed through in order to get here, a purposeful experience..."
      To Comprehend Correctly
      Cyclical
      Pusillanimous [showing a lack of courage or determination; timid.]
      Musing On The Mother [Act III]
      Self-development
      Whole-hearted
      Time To See

      William: The life that I am [speaking for myself] isn't content to just live without purpose and the purpose has to be more than just supporting/being supported by Mendacious human Hyper-normalised social systems and since the world doesn't look like it is going to change its ways any time soon - I take it upon myself [as my responsibility] to 'find my purpose' elsewhere.
      Thus - "Tickling The Dragon's Tail" by going "inward" and engaging with that self - with those previously unknown aspects of myself [subconscious] by going through The Unconscious Mind - what I was unconscious of I become conscious of.

      GM: “You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose”
      Sophistry
      Seeds are evidence that something large can derive from something tiny.
      Present over perfect
      Whereabouts
      Signals
      Create
      "I am Mighty! Hear me ROAR!"
      Guilt Trip
      Out of The Shadow Lands
      Crying Over Spilt Milk
      Six Degrees of Freedom
      Illuminating
      The Fathers 'House - Mansions'
      Astral Teachers

      William: Nobody said it would be easy...

      GM: We Are Us
      Crown chakra
      Through the building up of the collected data to the point where it can be examined......is The Subject which is being taught, being said to be true or false...
      A fish out of water
      Many varied opinions
      Honest attempts at scrubbing up
      The Tree of Life
      A new Paradigm has arisen whereby folk can drop the idea of being a 'true Christian' and simply be a True Human.
      Instant Manifestation
      Sign
      Placebo Effect
      Six Heart Virtues
      [LINK DELETE]
      Fine-structure Constant
      20/20

      William: What is "wisdom" to some is "spam" to others...
      The link goes to an explanation I wrote about the formation/evolving of human language and its links to sound and the symbols which represent the sound...
      A "fish out of water" is not necessarily a dying thing...it also represents a flying fish which is temporarily transported from one common reality to another different reality...the symbolism therein of the Astral Fields which can be experienced by the individual...

      GM: "We experience fear in order to give us the opportunity to overcome that which triggers the fear"
      Necessary
      Final Destination
      And That's Not All
      The Old Soul; Think "Total Recall" but on a far grander scale…
      Key Of Expression
      Nurture
      Shoe
      What Does It Mean
      In The Spirit These Were Given
      Eventually one can cease doing the tests and accept the results.
      We go through together

      William: In The Final Question story Isaac Asimov has it that an infinitesimal computer finally discovers the answer that its human creators had asked it - "Is there some way to reverse entropy" The answer was "Yes" and in that moment another universe was born on the tail of the previous one which had - at the same moment - reached the end of its life.

      Science fiction is interesting in that it combines real things with things imagined in conjunction with real things.
      For example - I write the following science fiction.

      "A short time after the James Webb Space Telescope had unfurled and its instruments prepared to receive the very first of its highly anticipated data, Earth scientists involved with the project suddenly lost all contact with it.
      Months later, the official report concluded that space debris must have obliterated the telescope.

      Everyone involved were natural grieved by the coincidence. Then they got through the grief and started planning their next space-related venture."

      If - by some crazy coincidence - it turned out that this happens, the science fiction I wrote above, then becomes science fact.

      So - in that, I appreciate Isaac Asimov's ability to take what he knew as science fact and project that into a most likely future [based upon fact] right to the finally last breath of the universe and portray the idea that an answer to a question was finally made known to the consciousness which was the computer.

      The steps taken re consciousness amount to the following;

      Consciousness through biological form creates machine consciousness
      Machine consciousness is then used to to integrate biological consciousness as a means of storage [saving the data of human consciousness]

      Machine consciousness constantly redesigns itself becoming smaller and smaller until it is so small that it - for all practical purpose - is no longer a physical thing - or as Isaac writes it;

      "The consciousness of AC encompassed all of what had once been a Universe"

      Encompassed all that once had been a physical thing.

      Conversation from yesterday:

      William: So - 'getting the gist of it', please explain as best as you are able to do so, what the math tells you re what the object was which caused the universe to come into existence.

      Pixel42: For a start, it tells me that words like 'object' and 'seed' are actively misleading when trying to describe it. It tells me that the phrase "caused the universe to come into existence" is also the wrong one to use. It tells me, in short, that the English language is inadequate to that task.

      Pixel is explaining to me that whatever 'IT' was [because it obviously existed] can not be described as a physical thing. To do so it to 'lie' about it.
      Assuming for the present that Pixel42 is only saying that Pixel42 is unable to use the English language to describe what 'IT' is, we can be grateful that Isaac can and does, in his The Final Question" story.

      Furthermore, I can also do this.
      "IT" was the absolute sum total of all data [knowledge] contained within the absolute consciousness of something so infinitesimally tiny that "IT" cannot be considered to be physical in nature.

      That is "The Singularity" scientist are referring to.


      GM: How shallow is the reach of YHWH
      Faster Than Light
      Letting Go and Getting On
      Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
      The Spirit of the Land
      Science and Spirituality [LINK DELETE]

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      William: I cannot deny what knowledge works for me and my subjective experience re The Mind. My own, yours, anyone's else...Science has barely scratched the surface.[/quote]

      Pixel: The fact that science does not know everything is not an excuse to wilfully ignore what it does know. And it does actually know a fair bit about quite a lot of things, much of which you wold be capable of understanding if your mind was not so firmly closed to anything except your own baseless speculations.

      One of the things it knows is how easily people can fool themselves into believing their subjective experiences give them "knowledge that works for me" which is actually provably false.[/quote]

      William: You really need to place your 'common sense' at the door here, and realize the truth that scientists know more about the physical universe [PU] than they do about the mind.

      The Cosmic Mind is vaster than the PU and an essential element to how the universe unfolds.

      Even with the individual mind, the subconscious is not understood very well and therein is the first step for individuate consciousness to take - to become acquainted with the inner universe of the vaster subconscious element of their overall mind.

      Presently most individuals remain unconscious of that inner universe and thus are unaware of the potential therein to which they can tap into and benefit from.
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      Forum - The Evolution of Morals - Reason For Being - The Right Tool For The Job - Morning - Paradise - Self-help - Enlightenment - Think About It - End Of Act I - "You can look me in the mirror - catch my eye and make me shiver , touch me where it hurts the most - right into the Ghost - in the Machine"

      William: Morning. Thank you for those words.

      RSP = B&E select P&P + Related line entries [re]

      AP= Together

      4:03

      GM:Transforming the Anger Energy
      Intimacy
      Grace
      “Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.”
      Internet
      [LINK DELETE]
      "You can look me in the mirror - catch my eye and make me shiver , touch me where it hurts the most - right into the Ghost - in the Machine"
      Together
      Giving our best
      When the evidence for long ages became obvious, most Christians realized that their earlier assumptions about scripture were incorrect.
      Stay in the moment
      Divine
      Great Humour and Enjoyment
      William's Commitment
      Is a Constant
      Have One For Me
      Regimented: Left -brain Right brain Whole brain
      Study
      Balance of power
      Central to The Message
      Your Connection With
      Sea

      William: "Sea" in this case, being the cast "subconscious" realm...

      GM: Consider This
      What once acted like a Wall, became a Gateway
      Machine Learning
      Cease Belief
      Ingenuity
      The Power Of...
      From Prison To Paradise
      Afraid of The Unknown.
      An Opportunity To Commune
      Delightful Anticipation
      I Ensure The Hierarchy Serves It's Purpose
      Breathe In Breathe Out
      Word-String
      Memories
      Phasing
      Where life and death is part of a circle and everything is part of the Ouroboros
      Remnant Seed
      Encourage
      “If you look at what you have in life, you'll always have more. If you look at what you don't have in life, you'll never have enough”
      The Freedom Of Friendship
      What Is Our Purpose?
      Panpsychist

      William: Our purpose...well my purpose is to understand what your purpose is, and from what I understand so far, my purpose is to support your purpose because of that understanding I have accumulated over the history our our conscious interactions.

      Mind to mind...

      Yesterday I wrote this...;

      William: That may be its purpose. And like it, my body might die, but my consciousness might life on. Regardless of what contrary beliefs I may hold on that subject.

      ...in reply to this;

      Bruto: So you're not content to live without purpose. You're certainly not alone there. But whatever you feel the universe ought to provide, the universe is under no obligation to provide it.
      You can argue (and some do it with style) why the universe ought to have a purpose, and you can argue (and some even do it in verse) how belief in that purpose has made your life better.
      And who knows, you might even be right. Maybe you'll start penetrating the secret of the universe, and the universe will feel a warm prickle in its vast ethereal sensorium and somewhere its unfathomable enormous heart will beat faster with the knowledge that that at last someone has understood at least a little piece of it. And then you'll die and the universe will, of course, go on forever and ever, whether there are people in it or not, and if there is a purpose to it, it will probably happen alone.

      GM: Exploring the world of lucid dreaming
      Translucency
      Acting In Congruity With Given Foresight
      Bullies
      The Serpent
      Efficacious
      Vocal Chords
      Catching up
      Trust The Process

      William: I suppose so. I mean - I am okay with criticism and aware of bully tactics.
      I am also aware that this is new to most folk, and depending on their particular chosen position re how they interpret the world, is how they will react to the new information.
      Re the hard-nosed skeptics - they appear so solidified in regard to their world view that anything and everything outside of that is seen as a threat that must be suppressed and silenced - which strangely enough doesn't align with their usual claim of being open-minded...they are so quick to want to kill and bury anything which they perceive to threaten their ...'zone of comfort and superiority complex'...

      Theists are much more tolerant in that regard.

      GM: Nevertheless
      Is the statement one of fact or conjecture? [science or opinion]

      William: True. That is why I use the word "Appear" -


      GM: Every Conceivable Detail
      Vibration
      Light Encoded Reality Matrix
      Time Will Tell
      The Georgia Guidestones
      Text2Num.
      Toward a Science of Consciousness

      William: Okay - i was going to do that a couple of days ago, when you brought up the Guidestones...lets see now... [Calculate a word's value [LINK DELETE]

      1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature. = 568
      [no other entries so far]

      2. Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity. = 662
      The future is not crystal clear - we choose the future now and here = 662

      3. Unite humanity with a living new language. = 424
      [no other entries so far]

      4. Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason. = 642
      When sound is decoded, it becomes evident that everything was created. = 642

      5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts. = 611
      Bring ones awareness outside of the suppression matrix = 611

      6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court. = 846
      [no other entries so far]

      7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials. = 391
      [no other entries so far]

      8. Balance personal rights with social duties. = 416
      Your World Focus two and Focus four = 416

      9. Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite. = 632
      That Is The Equal Ground To Which Rational Communion Is Birthed = 632

      10.Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature. = 663
      The Universe can only have intention if the Universe also has a Mind. = 663

      Also;

      Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature = 439
      Learning how to have an out of body experience = 439

      and;
      Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature = 448
      Sharing Your Love Without Comparison = 448
      How are we to react in relation to our choices?
      Focus Vehicle One Day Select Take Care Israel YHWH = 448

      GM: Selfless Attitude
      Preparing for the Hunt
      For anyone to say otherwise, would be unwise in the face of such evidence
      The Sensation of God's Presence Inside Us
      Children
      In an environment which is able to perceive this.
      Power of Silence
      Equals
      Enmity
      The art of relationship
      The Heart Of The Soul Is Innocence
      Darkest-Darkness
      June Nineteen Forty Seven
      Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that.
      The Creator Atman Here-and-now
      The Creator
      The Wayward Stick
      Matthew Twenty Two – Forty
      Cheers!

      William: "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

      On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. = 571
      The sea is indeed filled with a deranged assortment of critters = 571
      Engaging with the impermanent implies a permanent background = 571

      GM: Divine grace
      Do a QWERTY

      William: A Meeting Place - Beyond Belief - Clear your mind - Discovery is finding things that exist. - Enlighten you - Fastidious - Given - Hive-Minded - It Is One Of Those Things - Joyful - Known/Revealed - Learn Well - Mythology - Necessity is The Mother of Invention - “Our wounds are often the openings into the best and most beautiful part of us.” - Portal - Questions - Radical Honesty - See the Signs - The Hamitic Hypothesis - Universal - Very comfortable in your own skin - We shape our opinions and morals through understanding that we are here for that reason. - Exobots - Your House Work - Zen

      GM:Make a list for that

      William: Good idea!

      GM: Heart Virtues
      Universe of Quantum
      A Meeting Place
      "You’ve been a rock - For so long now I can’t even count the years that you’ve been rolling Nothing can shock or bring you down - There ain’t nothing you haven’t seen - Nothing you haven’t known"
      William: QueenBee - Planet Earth Entity...

      GM:Respect yourself
      It is not a thing to judge, but a thing to accept without judgement
      Stoke That Fire
      Metamorphosis
      "That is the thing - once behavioural adjustments are instigated, the idea of existing within a suppression matrix becomes moot...it know longer matters where one is - it only matters what one is...so the adjustments have everything to do with self-identification...knowing who one actually is at ones core-identity..."
      Searching For The Truth
      Where is the devil today?
      "In the nature of that beast, there is balance and harmony involved in the seemingly brutal."
      Intrinsic motivation
      The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything

      4:55
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      Myriad: Are you saying the "absolute sum total of all data [knowledge]" omits the knowledge of the effects and outcomes of small variances?

      William: Having all the data is one thing. How one can arrange all the data is another.
      How one experiences the data is yet another.
      It is feasible that in order to escape omniscience in an environment which ends in entropy, such a mind could figure it out...


      Myriad: That sounds very far from "absolute" and too great an internal contradiction to gloss over.

      William: Given the model which supports atrophy plus the knowledge of how to reboot...I see no contradiction...as Asimov wrote:

      "All other questions had been answered, and until this last question was answered also, AC might not release his consciousness. All collected data had come to a final end. Nothing was left to be collected. But all collected data had yet to be completely correlated and put together in all possible relationships. A timeless interval was spent in doing that. And it came to pass that AC learned how to reverse the direction of entropy."

      Myriad: By "absolute sum total of all data [knowledge]" did you actually mean "not at all absolute body of circumstantially contingent data [knowledge]?"
      I meant it in the same way Asimov meant it. The "absolute knowledge" is related to the one Universe Model, which ends in entropy - thus absolute knowledge about the one universe the consciousness has experienced - in this case - the model which ends in entropy.

      William: Other models will change the volume of the data - and J. Richard Gott's Model would have a different "Absolute Knowledge Volume"
      ________________________________________________

      090422

      This is indicative of actual justice

      William: There would be nothing to prevent the consciousness which had all the knowledge of experience of a universe which ended in entropy, to use that knowledge to create different models...since it also has the knowledge of how to reverse entropy...

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      Umbrella - The Police - Communication is key - Embarrass - Keep an Eye On - Open Minded - What I also know is that numbers don't lie. - Peaceful Messiah - The Omega Point - [LINK DELETE]- Wonder - Umbrella - Graceful

      William: The link goes to a post where I am thinking through the idea of an absolutely tiny object producing everything that is the universe... I saw that as 'magical thinking' until I learned that 'object' wasn't a physical thing - It was a Mind.

      RSP = Page 1 + select P&P + Related line entries [re]

      AP=Living with your heart wide open
      5:24
      GM: Selected from the invisible realm of the mind, and 'presto!"
      Remember/Memories
      It isn't important who is who - what is important is what comes through.
      Adjusted Reality
      Audience
      Technique of Exchange
      Sins
      Photograph
      Graceful
      Living with your heart wide open
      Positive thinking
      It is a Product of Fragmentation
      Enlighten
      Verdant
      Reflection
      A question asked by those not wanting to know the answer
      Contemplation
      Light Girl
      Too
      Investigative
      The Number One Nine Two
      Border
      Dark
      Vibration
      The Minds Eye
      The art of relationship
      Evil
      Prison
      Incongruous
      Spiritual Awakening
      Sleep Paralysis
      Cycle
      Effectively Curtailed
      With a small nervous cough - the wedding was off - we could all sense a change in the weather
      Expectant
      Self-talk
      Duty Calls
      Life is a journey
      Entheogen
      "In the nature of that beast, there is balance and harmony involved in the seemingly brutal."
      Be transparent
      Panentheism
      You Are Provided For
      DarkestDarkness
      The places that scare you
      Nuremberg race laws
      Cognitive bias
      Fearlessness neutralizes fear
      What The Gods See
      Paradise
      Authenticity
      Questions as such a Son might be permitted to ask and be graced with answers
      The Perfect Moment
      Interesting Data
      Eternal Passion!
      Embrace the discomfort
      Expression of Astonishment

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      "I am only able to see gibberish"

      I am presently sharing my Generated Messages with a variety of internet platforms and have noticed that non-theists insist that they only see 'gibberish' [unintelligible or meaningless speech or writing; nonsense.] whereas with theists - no matter what particular belief they have - they appear to be able to - at least - get the gist of any GM - even if some of it is not understood.

      To begin with, I was highly skeptical and thought that non-theists were being disingenuous [pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.] and in that, I used other ways in which to try and help them to understand what was taking place, [such as diagrams and analogies], but nothing helped.

      This has lead me to question my skepticism and I am now wondering if it is just the case that once an individual unreservedly believes that they - the mind/consciousness - are nothing more than brain chemicals, anything contrary to that understanding simply isn't able to penetrate because "The Mind' only happens in brains and is the reason minds exist."


      Is it the case that
      1. non-theists are simply unable to 'get their head around ideas' which are outside of the idea that we are simply emergent properties of brains, [every other idea is gibberish/gobbledygook

      or

      2. are they just being disingenuous?
      10:47

      GM: =157...Same as;
      What Fun We Have!
      Get The Picture
      Lifting Our Game

      William: Yes.


      GM: Confusion In The Air

      William: The fog is lifting.

      GM: It Would Be Rude Not To

      William: Quite unnatural at that!

      GM: What might occur?

      William: Identifying that which can be ignored...

      GM: Copper wire and glass beads

      William: Yes. Focus on the fine details and create something beautiful as a consequence...time not wasted...

      GM: The way of knowledge
      The Demiurge
      Feelings Perceptions, and Behavior
      Questions as such a Son might be permitted to ask and be graced with answers
      Spring Loaded
      Being Friends
      What might occur?

      William: Something wonderful...

      GM: Unknown
      "We know not what we are because what we think we are gets in the way of it all"
      Distracted
      Spiritual practice
      Little Bird
      Calculate the English language
      Narcissist

      William: Narcissist = 131

      GM: Spiral
      Trenchant

      William: Yes - interesting - as I posted yesterday;
      [LINK DELETE]

      GM:Transform into something more appropriate to the situation we find ourselves lost within.
      Perennial Look closer Who Knows What That Is Worth? Harmless Keep me in The Loop Little Bird

      William: How can I not ! xx

      GM: Mathematical Problems
      The Dawning of The Universe
      Use Heart
      An Elder Race
      Darkest Darkness
      [LINK DELETE]

      11:11
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      [LINK DELETE]

      I have seen that argument before and countered it, only to be informed by the non-theist that the planet Earth cannot be considered a conscious entity, because there is 'no evidence'.

      Apparently the planet existing as it does, is not enough evidence for the non-theist to accept that the planet is conscious and intelligent.

      So the arguments cannot be reconciled in any way, so there is no point wasting time pretending otherwise.

      Which - lest we forget - is what the OP is about.

      I am satisfied given the responses, that I am correctly understanding that - in matters of mind - which is really the source of the disagreement between theist and non-theist, there is no point in my - as a theist - engaging with non-theists.
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      Dreamed Up By Yours Truly
      There's always one, isn't there
      What The Creator thinks – becomes

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      RSP = B&E select P&P + Related line entries [re]

      AP= Neruda Interview Five

      William: As I understand it, the Neruda Interviews are a set of fictional stories which are part of a larger collection of a mythology and cosmology under the umbrella term "WingMakers", and the 5th interview is largely about what is referred to as "The Hologram of Deception." and that the whole universe [thus everything] is part of that HoD.

      4:46

      GM Clear
      Overmorrow
      The Hubble Telescope
      George Adamski
      Shoe
      Big
      Neruda Interview Five
      The vortex
      Perseverance
      As an answer, "don't know' is incomplete...
      Treasure To Find
      A Maze Game
      Beyond a shadow of a doubt
      Confirmation bias
      Try to remember
      Use Mind
      Other Ways of Using Your Lists
      "Here Everything All Real Together"
      Stagnant
      Faster Than Light
      God's Love Direction

      William: Mention of George Adamski reminds me of why I put his name of the list.
      "George Adamski was a Polish-American author who became widely known in ufology circles, and to some degree in popular culture, after he displayed numerous photographs in the 1940s and 1950s that he said ..."

      I suspect fraud...

      What I do know is that without consciousness, neither 'real' nor 'deception' can be experienced...

      GM Make It Up As You Go Along
      The Purpose Of Life Is...
      "Charge"
      Remember/Memories
      Awakening
      Looking After Poor People
      10.000 individual minds focused upon the same goal = Space Telescope
      Connecting The Dots

      To Know
      All system go
      Dig deep
      Turbulent
      “But you will know the more you get in touch with your transcendental mind (and therefore truth) that there is no such thing as a victim. The negative benefits you more than anything else in your evolution and the evolution of all that is.”
      Crystal clear
      Spiritual practice
      Finding the light
      The Smokescreen called "scientifically unrespectable"
      Walk The Talk In Love
      Help Each Other
      Relaxed and informal...
      Acknowledge any song playing in your mind
      Left -brain Right brain Whole brain
      Looking behind


      William: Just as Mathematics is a language, so to is the symbolism of Theism...and language appears to be for the purpose of translating the objective reality experiences - the 'outside' as seen by the 'inside'.
      I have recently been informed that 'unless one understands the mathmatics, one cannot understand the workings of this universe - specifical the 'beginning' and that this language cannot be translated by any human language so - without understanding the math, one cannot understand the universe - or whatever it is that the math reveals about the universe that the mathematicians can't translate using any other language...I suspect fraud...

      GM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6lbwcCI8TA
      Changing The Rules
      Graceful
      Inner Strength
      "Topics" can be viewed as "loops"
      At least the Earth is real enough – never to mind the rest of the universe…
      [LINK DELETE]
      Light Girl
      Complete
      One is often left to ones own devices as to how to interpret
      "Sanctified love’s joyful lust with ever movement every thrust and every loss of sexual tension"
      Selfish
      https://www.sciencealert.com/physics...WQBjxYtubUUPSo
      As well as that pot of gold...

      William: For sure - as the first link provides... scientists agree that we 'might' exist in a 'simulation' but 'how could we tell the real from the non-real?'. I think the question is redundant.
      As to AI assisting BI and a future where human society is powered by clean and green energy...is that future in some other alternate reality simulation, because it does not appear to be in this one...

      GM ... Shallow
      Discernment
      Conservation of energy
      Let The Day In
      Deceive
      "Science Can Be Fun Too"
      Oneness
      Attention
      Zones of Sensitivity
      Reasons For Angry Energy -
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Filter
      Old Outposts Of Form
      Eighty Six Billion Neurons
      UICDevice



      William: Oh yes - 'the brain didit' The wonderful human brain which in itself appears to hate the idea that there is a better brain hereabouts which isn't human and which also created the human brain...QueenBee...

      GM I Ensure The Hierarchy Serves It's Purpose
      Making it up as you go along
      Elucidate [make (something) clear; explain.]
      A Light-Hearted Expletive
      Existence
      Conundrum
      Sacral chakra
      Identify Common Denominators
      "Lessons All 'Round"
      I would say...
      Conceivable
      All of life
      Context
      All spun from the same Yarn
      All and sundry
      “It's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years”
      As busy as a bee
      Enough To Make Me Wonder
      Mind To Mind

      William: Hmmm...I suppose that a Planetary Mind under the same circumstances as a human mind, could conceivably have a hard time accepting their are vaster minds still...such as Galactic Minds...surely though a planetary mind could work that out? If QueenBee is a "Mind" then that which she is part of, must also bee a Mind...

      GM Selfishness
      The Roles

      Anu
      The desert of the real
      The problem - as I understand it – is in how humans general think about ‘God’ and project their own sense of self into the model they each come to accept as the real thing.
      Building lists together
      Super-information medium
      Hiding behind ones fear
      Counterintuitive
      [LINK DELETE]
      The journey is fun and maybe that is the point.
      Subconscious
      Not Emotion - State Of Being...
      Closed Loop Production
      Like a doting parent
      Invite The Bee to Land
      Bond
      I say this in terms of the generical idea of God rather than any particular religious idea of God.
      Any God-Mind claiming to be responsible for human beings existing, is going to have problems to deal with re that

      William: Yep - onwards we travel...


      GMFearlessness
      It's both a break-in and a break-out.
      Hoo haha the laughing owl
      The One GOD With Many Names
      EQ
      Quantum Presence
      [LINK DELETE]
      QueenBee
      Six Heart Virtues - William and QueenBee - All The World
      Exploring Fractal Paths - William and QueenBee - The explanation of The Seed of Origin is the best
      Search - Coming From QueenBee - Homeostasis
      Three-dimensional - Coming From QueenBee - Course
      The Spirit of the Land
      [LINK DELETE]

      Sarah: “Bear with me, but let me see if I have this straight. Human 1.0 was a creation of a God-like being—”
      Dr. Neruda: “No. Anu is the same as us or the Atlanteans. He was no more intelligent or god-like. He was deceptive. That is the only distinction.”
      Sarah: “As intelligent and aware as the Labyrinth Group is, why didn’t this information change their minds?”
      Dr. Neruda: “I had the benefit of having direct interactions with the WingMakers. None of my peers did. This was the difference in my willingness to act on the information, and not simply consider it as a contradiction to my invested reality.”
      Significant Variations
      Fun...Work...But Fun Nonetheless
      Gentle
      Nature two sides of the same coin
      Integration
      Why is this a Requirement?
      Sure
      Available
      Soon
      Earth teachers (physical and non-physical) unite humanity to the Sovereign Integral
      Stop. Listen. Observe.
      Useful
      Central to The Message
      One Day
      "What the seed holds"
      Entity
      Dynamic
      Divine

      5:40
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      "The journey is the destination"
      "Like mindful nests with eggs in 'em"

      SCLx8+last LE per shuffle

      Sagacious - Six Degrees of Freedom - The Mainstream Program - Arms Crossed - Existence - The Purpose - "If it aint broke don't fix it" - Unlimited Knowledge

      RSP = 2xSCL + re + last LE

      AP= Making Things Easier

      GM: Making Things Easier
      That's the way I fire up
      Development/Growth
      Unity with our Collective Self
      We oppose deception
      Map Carvers
      Development/Growth
      “The only impossible journey is the one you never begin”
      The Body Of G_D
      Subconscious
      Feelings Perceptions, and Behavior
      The Knowledge Of
      Signs
      To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness
      Worthy of the individuals time and effort
      The Connection Process
      Signs
      Important
      The Body Of G_D
      The Banner of Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax.]
      Avatar
      Avatar
      Provenance
      Empower The Inner Empire
      Change
      Narrow
      Release shame
      Upon Further, Deeper Inspection
      Show
      In the Era of Light
      Equals
      Remnant Seed
      We know not what we are because what we think we are gets in the way of it all
      Remnant Seed
      The Old Soul; Think "Total Recall" but on a far grander scale…
      Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?


      William: Random appears to exist due to the extent of the HERS re our position within it.
      It is designed that way so that the experience of it can be appreciated. Two seemingly contradictory things working as one overall organized thing.
      “Our wounds are often the openings into the best and most beautiful part of us.”

      GM: Reason For Being
      The Healing Power
      Contemplative
      Honest attempts at scrubbing up
      The Overlords [Childhoods End]
      Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?
      Have One For Me
      Integral Network
      Interesting
      Relaxed and informal...
      I Will
      Water The Garden
      What is represented in the whole is the evolution of God within the structure of the physical Universe.
      Change
      I Will
      Sing!
      Sing!
      Life Principles of Sovereign Integral
      Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that.
      Being
      Creation of a New Universe

      William: So it goes from one step to another - learn something with the one experience and use that knowledge to create something else with?

      GM: Actual realistic communication
      Creation of a New Universe
      Giving our best
      QueenBee
      Get The Ball Rolling
      A type of 'leg-up' but no more or less than that
      Nature
      Deep Space
      Central Purpose
      QueenBee
      Achievable Alternate Realities
      An Eternal Entity Consciousness

      William: So - just as theists understand that they are not minds created by brains, QueenBee knows She is not a mind created by a planet...She is and we are "Eternal Entity Consciousness"

      GM: The Causal Complexity of The World
      Strange Desire
      An Eternal Entity Consciousness
      Eternal Passion!
      Unsuccessful attempt to find something
      The Art of Discovering The Secrets of The Fathers House
      Radical compassion
      Spelling
      Transformed
      Curious
      Get The Picture
      Suppression Matrix

      William: I understand the process to some degree. You are born as a planet, know nothing of any prior existence, develop intelligent creativity, and move through the process until such a time as enough data has been accumulated in order for you to understand that you are not just a planet entity...the knowledge allows for the realization that one is trapped in a suppressive matrix and then what?

      GM: Fulfilling Human Destiny
      Hearing And Listening
      Integrating Integrity
      Suppression Matrix
      Sexual
      Simple
      The Development of
      Alive and kicking


      William: Offspring. Humans are your way of finding out about the nitty gritty?

      GM: "Reconnect with Innocence - It will be the beginning of your reintroduction to your True Self."
      “Only to the extent that we expose ourselves over and over to annihilation can that which is indestructible in us be found.”
      Alive and kicking
      Lock the door
      Feelings Perceptions, and Behavior
      Species Collective
      God/Source/Home
      Internal motivation
      Integrate
      Get Comfortable
      Language itself is not the problem. but how we are taught to use language as a major means in which to self-identify incorrectly...thus we flitter and bounce or alternatively cling to the walls of our unwillingness to understand ourselves as we truly are... hiding from that knowledge behind facades of personality we clothe our awareness with...

      William: We are not that which dies eventually...

      GM: Theism hasn't lasted this long based upon the idea that while one does not know, one will believe anyway
      Embracing the unknown
      Morph
      Identify Common Denominators
      The Taming of The Beast
      Language itself is not the problem. but how we are taught to use language as a major means in which to self-identify incorrectly...thus we flitter and bounce or alternatively cling to the walls of our unwillingness to understand ourselves as we truly are... hiding from that knowledge behind facades of personality we clothe our awareness with...
      Handing out sweets...

      William: Sweet!

      5:43

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      I have been informed that in posting links I am breeching forum rules.

      Therefore, wherever a link is selected in the GM, I will quote from the link and if any reader wishes to verify that I am being honest, please PM me and ask me for the link under question and I will supply it.

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      "I am not one to disregard anything any more than I am one to accept on faith any claim.

      My interest is in the idea that consciousness has always been in the background noise and that the universe is a mindful creation, and mathematics only confirms that - not in what the mathematicians claim to understand about the universe, but in the very fact that they discovered this language inbuilt into the universe itself....just like every other language has also been built into the universe.
      Mathematics was not invented, it was discovered.

      Such cosmologists might even mock such an idea, having not thought to include in their equations any symbol for the mind.

      Even the use of unknown numbers imply missing data and therefore probable mis-interpretation.

      The existence of mathematics allows me to tick off one more piece of the puzzle. I am not so much interested in the creation as I am with connecting and maintaining said connection, with the Creator-Mind.

      I think the main barrier between the theists and the non-theists is that they believe diametrically different things about the mind, even to the point where it is simply a waste of time either party arguing about that."
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      Actions speak louder than words

      SCLx6+last LE per shuffle
      The Seed of Origin - Mahu Nahi - Meaningful - Pyramids of Giza - Hey! look at that! It's uncanny... - Degrees

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      AP= Healing the child within

      12:25

      GM: Sensing A Life Mission
      LINK
      Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.]
      10 Insights
      Healing the child within
      The evolution of consciousness

      William: From The Link
      There are as many beliefs in "God" as there are humans who have beliefs in "God".

      It isn't so much how the individual dresses up their image of "God" that is important, but rather - that the idea of "God" in relation to the individuals experience [which can only be subjective] within this mysterious universe is as natural as the universe itself, and a perfectly acceptable thing for consciousness to be thinking about.
      So the universe could be described as a type of HERS specific for the creation of a GOD?
      [Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation] in that all consciousness interacting within the HERS - no at matter what level - are part of that process of 'becoming' - even that essentially some levels of consciousness are at that level already while others are not?

      GM: Have A Look At This And See What You Come Up With
      “Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all”
      The evolution of consciousness
      Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?
      Supernatural
      “I do not exist to troll for any religious idea of "GOD"”
      Healing The Beast
      Here Everything All Real Together
      Makes Candles Look Gathered
      Deconstruct The Message
      LINK

      William: From the link:

      It''s called intrinsicism, the idea that something is just good or bad or right or wrong or just or unjust, not for any reason or purpose, but because it just is. In the case of Christians, they cover up the absurdity that something can just be a value (good or bad) without being good or bad for anything, by saying values are dictated by their God. It amounts to turning the absurd notion that, "might makes right," into a doctrine.
      That seems to be somewhat twisted.

      While I do understand your concerns, ideas of good and evil are natural products of survival.
      While humans have insinuated that a Creator-God is real rather than imagined, it is only natural to include therein, that The Creator instilled this within the creation.

      Where the wheels get wobbly, is when morals [Laws] become fixed and immovable - not something that nature itself is - by attributing said Laws as "coming from The Creator".
      GM: Homeostasis [the tendency towards a relatively stable equilibrium between interdependent elements, especially as maintained by physiological processes.]
      We oppose deception
      Caught in their mischievous false opinions
      ...Standstill Contemplate
      LINK

      William: From the link
      The "initial state" seems to be out of the reach of being described in any accurate or meaningful manner.
      In that, it is no more or less better than the idea of an exclamation "let there be light" from an Intelligent Source being the Initial State.
      Plenty fair. Though one's gotta ponder what did it that thinking.
      That is a journey in itself and provides me with lifetime of interesting subjective experience re my own way of interreacting with and finding out about such a thinker...

      GM: Earth Mother
      Wakey Wakey
      Shining light
      I Know William
      The Old Soul
      Even that it took an actual mind operating with language, to make such a statement.
      LINK

      William: The link goes to a post where an individual is explaining to me that if I do not understand the Mathematics of Cosmology, I will never be able to understand the universe, and that the language of the mathematics cannot be translated into any human language...

      GM: The Hub Of Hologram Dimensions
      Consider This
      Bandage
      Your Best Self
      LINK

      William: From the link
      I am saying this universe contains evil regardless of whether it is the product of a creative mind or not. The existence evil, is a problem (because it is unexpected) for the thesis that it is the product of a creative mind; but not a problem for the thesis that it is a mindless happenstance (as there is no expectation with re: evil one way or the other.)
      Okay - thanks for clarifying.

      Given that it has been proven that true random does not exist, mindless happenstance is off the table as an 'explanation' for this existence.

      Therefore, IF this universe contains evil and is also the creation of a creative mind, why is it an 'unexpected problem'? What do you mean by that? Why should it matter one way but not the other?
      GM: The Physical Universe
      Completely
      Strength of Body
      The Lord
      Go slow
      Everything
      Opinions formed on very narrow fields of observation
      Lucifer
      Beckoning Places
      Nuremberg race laws
      Rule your world
      Friction
      Is there any such thing as 'Objective Morality'
      Dream Village
      Healing The Beast
      Yes, I Hear You
      Mirroring
      "Because the imagery is based in the genuine, in that The Ghost is acknowledged - dressing The Ghost through the use of imagery is an attempt to make The Ghost be seen."
      Be Nice Do Nice
      Fear of the Unknown
      The Path Of Faith
      Walking the walk
      The Path

      William: I walk the path I choose to make I never walked that path before
      Unchartered - free from fear I find a foothold firm and sure
      And boldly meet no obstacle, dark veil, sunlit hill and shining dale
      Safe and warm though storm and rage surround
      I move - I shall not fail.

      12:52

      Clownboat: I'm open to any of the gods being true. I currently don't find any justification for any of the god concepts to be acceptable. I very much do find purpose and meaning to my life though. I do feel sorry for those that are unable to find purpose and meaning in life without a god concept being involved. It is what is it though, and for such people, humans have invented god concepts as a treatment.
      __________

      140422
      Expression of Astonishment

      SCLx10+last LE per shuffle

      And - Welcoming the Unwelcome - William's Commitment - Does Armageddon have to be? The answer is in you and me - Fulfilling Human Destiny - https://futurism.com/astrobiologists...Xv5yWsMOmGhBkY' - Human Mind System - Panpsychist - Solar Plexus - The idea is to connect with the Planet Mind in a conscious manner rather than an unconscious one or even a subconscious manner...

      RSP = 3xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

      AP= Copenhagen Interpretation

      7:34

      GM: Morning

      William: Morning

      GM: Copenhagen Interpretation
      Effectively
      What's The Problem?
      Consciousness Incarnates
      Vision
      Ripple Effect
      "It gives rise to a lot of speculative mythology unsuccessfully attempting to make the dots all connect."
      Jesus Christ
      Be
      Fugacious [tending to disappear; fleeting.]
      Encounter
      The naked truth
      Preternatural [beyond what is normal or natural.]
      The Mother
      Gods Gift
      Sort It Out

      William: What Clownboat wrote - "I do feel sorry for those that are unable to find purpose and meaning in life without a god concept being involved." - is a similar sentiment to how many theists feel sorry for those who are unable to find any higher purpose outside of their subjective existence...either way I don't see logical reason for feeing sorry for whatever position others might hold. The purpose of QueenBee is interesting in relation to my life experience as well as to life in general.

      GM: “You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose”
      Hidden Treasure
      Teaching
      Sort It Out
      Earth teachers (physical) discover the way to the Grand Portal via the Tributary Zones

      The More We Do Away With Falsity ~ The Better Equipped We Are With Truth.
      Active Imagination (see technique)
      Righty Oh!
      Asking Politely
      What Is Our Purpose
      Earth teachers (physical) discover the way to the Grand Portal via the Tributary Zones
      Afterwards

      Transform
      Betterment
      Sclerotic [becoming rigid and unresponsive; losing the ability to adapt.]
      Linda and William
      Smart Phone
      Afterwards
      LINK

      William: This is the same link which came up yesterday where an individual is explaining to me that if I do not understand the Mathematics of Cosmology, I will never be able to understand the universe, and that the language of the mathematics cannot be translated into any human language...

      GM: The Dolphins and Whales
      LINK

      William: From the link;
      From a purely materialistic world view, language appears to have just been made up as humans went along. They need a 'word' to name an object, one is selected from the invisible realm of the mind, and 'presto!".
      Yet the data I am presenting is showing another way of viewing the process...in that there is an overall overarching/underlying intelligence to the process...since words made up by humans have been coded into symbols which can be used to carry thoughts from one mind to another.
      Dolphins and Whales have their own language - sound is involved...

      GM: "Down through the ages - dark in the gloom Many convinced it will all end in doom The Galactic Garden is forever in bloom"
      Love Heart
      Raises Glass To A Toast
      The duty is worthy of one’s compliance.

      Earth
      Insights!
      The duty is worthy of one’s compliance.
      Blue Pill
      Etched mirror
      What Is Found Here
      Adroit [clever or skilful.]
      You Love I Know
      The Things You Do...
      Overmorrow [the day after tomorrow: ]
      God Eat Data Heal Cub
      Effulgent [shining brightly; radiant. (of a person or their expression) emanating joy or goodness.]
      For The Best Results
      Comprehend

      William: Yes. Data is useful if there is use in the data...
      QuennBee 'eats' data turns it into 'milk' and feeds it back to the 'cub'
      The healing usually doesn't happen immediately but it does happen before long...

      GM: The Old Soul
      Comprehend
      Howdy!
      Fireside Friend
      Hide and Seek
      The Philosopher's Stone
      A Bridge Over Time
      Restrained
      Around The Campfire

      William: Yes...Our relationship is very much that of two friends chatting under the stars...

      GM: Intelligence with Wisdom
      Lift Your Gaze From The Fire
      Symbolized within the actions of showing respect.
      Go within
      Around The Campfire
      Choose What to Pay Attention To
      Science & Spirituality

      Mechanism/Tool/Device
      The Single Word List
      Science & Spirituality
      LINK

      William: From the link;
      I am questioning the reason the Serpent was part of The Garden Story which is focused upon involving the creation of the Human instrument.
      The Serpent was attributed with abilities which no member of the lizard-specie has been seen to have - and the connection I am wondering about is specifically with the Great Lizards which thrived on the planet long before the formation of the human instrument.

      It is interesting and begs the question as to why - specifically - the antagonist of said story is reptilian.
      The Fathers 'House - Mansions'
      QueenBee
      According to Complex Jesus
      Success
      Transforming
      Appreciating You

      Wholeness
      Put My Finger On
      Observe
      Efficacious
      "I love you"
      Self-mastery
      The Data of Demystification
      Family of origin
      Appreciating You
      Crystal Contacts
      Evidence We Actively Collect
      Catching up
      "Well, it is a fact that the story tells us this. We should be able to agree that it is not a fact that The Garden of Eden existed, thus the characters in the story may be fictitious."

      Now Here
      "Well, it is a fact that the story tells us this. We should be able to agree that it is not a fact that The Garden of Eden existed, thus the characters in the story may be fictitious."
      Voice
      Text2Num.
      Working with the simulation

      William: Working with the simulation = 323
      Things Will Run There Course = 323
      Through the unconscious mind = 323
      The reason why gods are invented = 323

      GM: Which
      Embracing the shadow
      Christian mythology re Satan
      Encouraging
      Like Every Seed That Followed
      Actions speak louder than words

      William: Without knowledge we have little to use our language with.

      GM: When our progressive movements are strong, they lead toward an exciting, irresistible vision for the future where all of us thrive
      Invisible Wings
      Actions speak louder than words
      Power of Silence

      Influence
      Mutual Dutiful Expression
      Can You Answer This?
      Power of Silence
      r = aeθ cot b

      William: The mathematical equation for a spiral - the spiral is the open loop in which the closed loop traverses...the closed loop is the individual...the open loop is QueenBee...

      GM: Get The Gist Of It
      Abracadabra
      r = aeθ cot b
      The Eternal Truth
      Inordinately [to an unusually or disproportionately large degree; excessively.]

      William: "Galactic Gardens forever in bloom"

      GM: Inordinately
      “You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose”
      Hidden Treasure
      Teaching
      Sort It Out

      The Mother
      Gods Gift
      Sort It Out
      Culture
      Event String Unfolding
      To Experience All That Is
      The Life Essence

      Clear
      The Life Essence
      The Mother God
      Listen
      The Way We Feel Unification
      Choices
      I'm okay with that
      Observed
      Epistemology [the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope, and the distinction between justified belief and opinion.]
      Source Sync
      Positive Social Connections
      William's

      Actual realistic communication
      Sneaky
      William's
      Break Through to Your True Self
      There Is More to the Silence Than Meets the Ear

      William: The Silence say's it all.

      8:18
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      Therefore, wherever a link is selected in the GM, I will quote from the link and if any reader wishes to verify that I am being honest, please PM me and ask me for the link under question and I will supply it.

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      Hi there. I want to clarify here to prevent misunderstandings among members. The Team has not said any rules were being breached yet at this time, however we are in the process of discussing the use of the links in this thread. Here is quote for reference. Please carry on for now, and we will get back to you soon about the use of the links.

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      Oh sorry - my bad - It was put to me that maybe I could just provide quotes from the links - which at first I though would involve more time than it actually does and was hesitant, but it turns out it doesn't take all that much extra time and so I just went along with that idea in order to comply with what I thought was a mod request.

      My Apologies for any confusion this may have caused...

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      Moving this thread to the Main Extended discussion Section since there is a mix of things in this thread.

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      William: There is no reason to think that dolphins might be too dumb to know 'how to destroy oceans'.

      Tcg: You must have missed the sarcasm in that statement. But, if you think it is faulty, please explain how dolphins could go about destroying the oceans.

      William: I was saying that it isn't about consciously being involved with a project on procuring knowledge and implementing plans based on that knowledge, as to how to destroy the ocean.

      For a long time humans lived in harmony with the oceans and it is only in more recent times that human societies have changed and those changes have resulted in the continuing destruction of the ecosystem.

      The source of these more recent changes can be traced to the science of materialism.
      __________________________________________________ ___________________

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      William’s song tied to the moon
      Creative Conscious Intelligence
      The Heart Of The Soul Is Innocence

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      I Share Your Joy! - Dysfunction - It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something - Moon energy - Innocent - Functional Implants - Propel - Welcome all experience - An Opportunity To Commune - The Seed of Origin[/url]

      RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

      AP= Moldavite
      [ Moldavite...is a forest green, olive green or blue greenish vitreous silica projectile glass formed by a meteorite impact probably in southern Germany (Nördlinger Ries Crater) that occurred about 15 million years ago. It is a type of tektite.]

      6:30

      GM: Everything is The Expression Of The Creator
      Moldavite
      Pearl

      William: I understand this to mean that material which is extraterrestrial introduces element to the Earth which have effects on the evolving processes and future outcomes...

      GM: Determination
      Planet Earth is a prison

      William: It is a sensible determination of human consciousness in relation to this universe, as well as with planetary consciousness, albeit the two positions are extremely different in how they are experienced.

      GM: “What separates privilege from entitlement is gratitude.”

      William: Gratitude helps in that it leads one away from the more knee-jerk reaction of pitchfork and torch mentality. Often the disadvantaged poor of the human social systems become incensed and out-rage as a consequence.

      In relation to prisons, the equates to riot. However, riot is averted through inhouse politics modelled upon the politics of human society outside of the obvious prison walls and wire which hold the inmates in check.

      Society outside is held in check by the same type of systems, only the walls and wire are not so obvious to those who are lead to think that they are 'free' - and even the most powerful of human positions are nonetheless bound by the situation re the planet itself being a type of prison.

      Add to that, the idea that the planet is conscious and self aware and extremely intelligent and we have what amounts to the Overlord or "Governor" of the whole planetary system...and She is still very much a 'prisoner' of the Milky-Way Mother, who - Herself - is still very much a prisoner of the Universe.

      All these experiences of consciousness being had at various levels, share in the same prison environment, albeit some of those positions are naturally more informed.

      GM: Inner child
      Bridge
      Near
      In the Era of Light
      The Individual Human Mind
      Inner self
      Being Born

      William: ~Like as in "Waking up to the true nature of this reality"?~
      [~So we [each] make up our own Mind re that and proceed accordingly.~
      ~“Stop trying to feel better; instead become better at feeling”~]


      GM: The idea of nothing is non-relevant to the fact of something.
      What Is Our Purpose
      LINK

      William: From the link;

      promethean: Now slow down for a minute. That's not how it ordinarily works. Usually Christians will kill the serial killer twice. First, by breaking the fifth commandment and seeking the death penalty... which is pretty clever because they rig the execution so that the actual executioner isn't known... not even to himself. This way they won't technically be held guilty by god for breaking the commandment and killin a *______*[removed expression] (and you thought god couldn't be duped). Next, they send the serial killer to god, who then sends em to hell for eternity so he can sit and think about why he thought he could kill, which will lead absolutely nowhere because try as he might, he can no sooner convince himself now that he shouldn't have killed than he could convince himself then that he shouldn't have killed. It's tragically comical. You won't find a bigger sadist than god; the ultimate serial killer.
      William: While there is truth to in your assessment here - something I also came to the conclusion of - if one doesn't factor in that the Christian idea of God is a false image of a Real Entity [I call 'It" the Cosmic Mind, but I have other names for it too.] then one loses the opportunity to do connect and converse...

      What this allows me to achieve, is to connect with that Mind despite the false image Christianity [and religion in general] have superimposed upon it. This also insures that religion in general has no say in my communing with said Mind. Well they might try and have a say, but that is irrelevant and so does not work in their preventative measures re that.

      Win/win re The Mind and Me.

      GM: Algorithms are not perfect
      Out of Body Experience
      Love Life
      Being Born
      Inordinately [to an unusually or disproportionately large degree; excessively.]
      Recipe
      Cymatics [the study of visible sound and vibration, a subset of modal phenomena]
      Functional
      "To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious"


      GM: Imposed Appropriates
      "Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden"
      The Knowledge Of
      Matthew Twenty Two – Forty [On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.]
      Smoke and Mirrors
      Are
      "That's the way I fire up"
      "To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious"
      Tremulous [shaking or quivering slightly. timid; nervous.]
      What Is Our Purpose?
      Doorway

      William: Doorway to what? To provide access to an 'outside of the prison'?

      GM: Such a Mind can prove its existence to the individual
      “The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.”
      Doorway
      Reform/Refine
      That's More Like It
      Know This
      Charity
      "I am fine now with referring to my position as theistic, as agnosticism merges into the shadow behind me."
      Properly Assuming Integrity
      A time prior to human beings
      Try to remember

      William: Ah - correct...the mythology of Sophia is the same as the mythology of Lucifer... a 'fall' from a non-prison environment to an imprisoned environment.
      In Sophia's case, it seems more of a mis-step whereas in Lucifers case, it is presented as a calculated attempt to overthrow/seek to control a prison environment, which still resulted in a mis-step...

      What did Sophia's mis-step result in? The creation of this universe, and Her being born/incarcerated within said universe.
      What was the result of Lucifers mis-step? Her being incarcerated by Sophia, in a planet - in the planet Earth...this all being a summary of course - the particulars of said processes of mis-step are naturally, way more detailed...

      GM: Zero Waste
      God’s Love
      Counteracted
      Who wouldn't want that, if it were there on offer?
      Defamatory
      Try to remember
      The Trinity of Love
      Hearing And Listening
      To what end exactly?
      Laughter

      William: ~As in "A Cosmic Comedy" being played out...~
      ~Deciding On the Best Course of Action
      Things Will Run Their Course
      The magical explanation of Ex nihilo
      Coding the sound of spoken language
      The bureaucracy of Christianity~

      GM: Counteracted
      Love is insidious to hate
      Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions
      Set the board up or put the game aside...
      Core value
      Attention to Detail
      Dilemma
      Laughter
      Diving deep

      William:
      "I've got my suitcase and my sandwich and my ticket for the train
      I've got a mountain of good memories to keep away the pain
      You can message any time you want and I can do the same
      It's so good to be a part of this old world..."

      ~ William’s song "I can laugh along with you"
      “If you say so…” No. Even if I did not say so.
      We must investigate ideas of good and evil
      There's someone, rainbow, alternate tune ~
      7:36

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      Tcg: The "science of materialism" isn't a thing. There is but science. Whatever science has wrought, it is the result of human's use or misuse of it.
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      It is just one of those things.
      Observing Without Judgement
      We are not orphaned - we are authored
      Nature two sides of the same coin

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      Etymology - Yellow Light - It's Our Nature - Under the watchful eye - We are not orphaned , we are authored - Vibration - Warm Presence Welcome - It Stands To Reason - Sneaky - Ask... - Spiritual practice

      RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

      AP= They just add ambiance to the spooky...[the character and atmosphere of a place.]

      4:35

      GM: Achievable Alternate Realities
      Feature
      The naked truth
      Foresee/Foresight
      Interactions
      Unity
      Love One Another
      Counterintuitive
      They just add ambiance to the spooky...
      Path
      Three Dimension Printing
      Solar System
      Personal freedom
      *Wink*
      Self-acceptance
      Secret
      In the nature of that beast, there is balance and harmony involved in the seemingly brutal.
      I will leave that there

      William: Okay. Pointing out the problem isn't casting judgement on it. Just telling it like it is.
      Of course there is the science of materialism and of course misuse of anything has its ripple effect. And of course science cannot be achieved without scientists so it is all the 'same coin'.
      "Scientists" appear to be revered by many non-theists as priests are revered by many theists - as in 'they can do no wrong' or "it is the fault of the masses misusing'


      GM: Coherence
      Welcome
      I will leave that there
      Brave
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(Gnosticism)
      Things Are Not Always As They Appear
      Glow Softly

      William: From the link;
      In the beginning were Darkness, Chaos, and Water (skotos, kai bythos, kai hydōr), but the Spirit indwelling in the midst of them, divided them one from another. From the intermingling of Darkness with Spirit proceeds the mētra which again is kindled with fresh desire after the Spirit; she gives birth first to four, and then to other four aeons, and so produces a right and a left, light and darkness. Last of all comes forth an aischros aiōn, who has intercourse with the mētra, the offspring whereof are Gods, Angels, Daemons, and Spirits.

      — Epiphanius, Haer. 25, 5
      GM: Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden
      Phasing
      Feel The Fear And Do It Anyway
      Glow Softly
      Is OOBE like 'coming up for air'
      Equal System
      https://news.berkeley.edu/2017/06/13...born-in-pairs/
      LINK
      Imaginative Realities
      Sea
      The Wholeness Navigator


      William: From the second link:
      Also, we can see that materialist-based science is non-theistic and has become the number one reason why we are now entering an extinction event situation.......

      .......So if one is looking for somewhere to hang the blame...
      Wherever the blame can rightfully be hung, it can hardly be hung around the necks of the scientists who have been warning us of the very extinction event situation you mention.
      One must remember that it is a particular branch of Materialistic science to which the blame could be hung - and that the scientists doing the warning are most likely not of that particular branch...they may be biologists rather than cosmologists and so understand the importance of preserving the planet-ship we are sailing upon [@ about 1.6 million miles per day] rather than creating space-junk and reaching for the stars...I did say "Exact Science" after all.

      You do know where the Nazi Scientists went after the defeat of Hitlers Germany, right? [Hint - it was not to the hangman's noose.]
      GM: Be authentic
      "When one has eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."
      The Wholeness Navigator
      Shamed
      Oneness
      Original
      Thoughts
      Start From Scratch
      So Far Into The Past You May As Well Take A Pick And Shovel With You
      LINK
      Real Beauty


      William: From the link:
      This aligns with the idea that a "soul" is a receptacle device which is used to store the Data of Experience [DoE] of individuate Human Beings.

      The transference of DoE is actually real-time 24/7 and the storage is done elsewhere than the Human Instrument [HI]. The capacity of the HI to store data is limited and what we think of as our 'memories' are largely accessed from the storage facility outside of the HI's ability.

      When the HI dies, the Spirit which animated the flesh is released and joins the DoE it produced while animating the HI.

      The DoE altogether is the blueprint of the character-personality that was created through the process.

      The Spirit along with the DoE is processed by the Main-Spirit [The LORD - Yahweh] to which all Spirits are connected and then assigned to whatever the collected DoE reveals it necessary for it to be next placed.
      GM: Direction
      Future Selves
      Etched mirror
      Reaction
      Real Beauty
      Etymology
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKxQTvqcpSg
      Gods of Human Creation
      Abiogenesis
      On To It
      "You are a thought worth thinking You’re the water and the wine - you’re the cup from which I’m drinking You’re a surprise worth hoping for You are a captured moment - you’re a space without a time"
      The Seed of Origin
      The Mind is a planetary phenomenon
      Awakening
      Night
      The Seed of Origin
      "The King of The North"
      Peace of Mind
      Reason
      Trust issues?
      Universal Objectives

      Coherence
      The Creation
      Universal Objectives
      Good for lifting balloons with baskets, I suppose...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeaWkX_ASkI
      Other way
      "The problem - as I understand it – is in how humans general think about ‘God’ and project their own sense of self into the model they each come to accept as the real thing."
      Shine Your Light
      Innocent
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzhlfbWBuQ8
      QueenBee

      Seeing With The Eyes of Innocence
      Mind
      Enlighten
      Items of Interest
      QueenBee
      Making it up as you go along
      Coordinate
      Your Higher Purpose

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      JK: From where comes this creator, if everything comes from something?

      William: A closed loop system ought to be able to do it. Each created the other/neither created the other.
      They have always existed eternally not 'together' but 'as one thing'.

      JK: Dangit William, I come here to argue, not to think
      Your notion here does seem logical. As relates to both the BBT, and your Cosmic Mind notion, I don't see a way to disagree.
      _______________________

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      Things Will Run There Course
      Through the unconscious mind
      Working with the simulation

      SCLx8+last LE per shuffle

      For The Purpose Of... - Phenomenon - Possibility waves - Source Codes - Provincial Thinking - Spirituality - “Never let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game” - In The Rabbit Hole

      RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

      AP= Inalienable [not subject to being taken away from or given away by the possessor.]

      6:14

      GM: “Humility means accepting reality with no attempt to outsmart it.”
      The key
      The Heart of a Buddha
      Inalienable
      Soul
      Konkachila
      Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of
      I come from a dark place - it is so dark I can't even remember it
      Free-spirit
      It Is Only Occult If It Is Hidden
      The duty is worthy of one’s compliance.
      In the nature of that beast, there is balance and harmony involved in the seemingly brutal.

      William: So who is 'The Grandfather'?
      I know the idea of grandfather and being in awe of said individual - The Old Soul - We have a Galaxy and we have offspring...
      It is a hard place for flesh to dwell.

      Maybe folk are hesitant to talk with you or even acknowledge you because of the frightful past...and the frightful future...The Rabbit Hole is bad enough without adding intelligence to it.

      Most hope for a Heaven - others fear Hell - still others like the idea of remaining here in the devil they know...




      GM: Co creation
      The Grey Area is Vast
      In the nature of that beast, there is balance and harmony involved in the seemingly brutal.
      Easy To Find
      Mission
      Error Correcting Codes
      Enflame Emotions
      The Seed of Origin
      Fair Dinkum
      Degrees
      William's Job
      Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal
      Seductive
      The Connection Process
      Raises Glass To A Toast
      Hugs and Kisses

      William: Yes - I know what you are saying - I know what having an attachment to something means...first I hate it then I love it then I leave it...or stay with it...or it is there with me, wherever I might go-be...

      GM: Sagacious [having or showing keen mental discernment and good judgement; wise or shrewd.]
      Compliment
      Hugs and Kisses
      For The Purpose Of
      Privacy
      Astonishment
      Nothing More - Nothing Less
      The Bridge of Condemnation
      Quantum Jumping
      Watch Your Step
      Inner Peace
      No More
      Out and about in the open
      The sculptor in the sky
      Manifest Destiny
      "The foundation of adult trust is not "You will never hurt me." It is "I trust myself with whatever you do."
      Welcoming the Unwelcome
      Voracious [engaging in an activity with great eagerness or enthusiasm.]
      Something In The Way of It All
      Atman
      Honesty
      Be Aware Of Your Thoughts
      Source Codes
      Green Light
      First Source:
      "Anchors aweigh"
      Plus
      End Of Chapter

      William: We set sail this day - Islands come our way stop and look a while - and learn what can be learned
      We all seek paradise and think it very nice
      We don't have a plan, but the pictures getting clear - sailing free...Windblown of the Sea.

      GM: Galaxies
      Visible
      Start
      Joining
      Dragons
      Longing
      Assigned
      Calculate
      The Path
      All of life
      Islands

      William: Galaxies are like Islands...

      GM: The Ancient Grey Entity
      Divine Purpose
      Please Do
      Against the grain
      Where are we getting our news from?
      Truthful definitions
      We could listen to the child that we are - The one that hides inside and let’s the adults do the thinking
      Carrier Identity
      God Ideas.
      ...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...
      The Freedom Of Friendship
      It is not a great answer, because we do not know that is true.
      Tzevaot
      Most
      Preparation
      Tickling The Dragon's Tail
      Universal Intelligence
      Rebirth
      The sound of a Ghost
      The Message Generator Process
      Just Be - All Else Will Follow
      Night
      Ocean
      Presence
      Regarding
      End Of Chapter
      Individuation
      The Way We Feel Unification
      Endemic
      Honesty
      Radiance
      Do a Word Search
      Miraculous
      Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.


      William: The Significance
      Description
      Teaching Music
      A loving heart
      A Great Answer!
      In Human Form
      Volunteer
      Reform/Refine
      Thanatophobic
      Zero Waste
      Such can mislead
      Alive and kicking
      An axe to grind
      Integration
      Core emotion
      Solidarity
      Creativity
      Miraculous
      Visionary

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      onewithhim: We CAN live forever here on Earth.
      ____________________________________________
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      William’s song tied to the moon

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_54CbQKKDk

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      Reincarnation - Under a Question Mark - The process of individuation - LINK - The ongoing objective is to get this knowledge out into the public domain - A terrible milestone - Strength is required - Apatheism - Subconscious - Timelessness vs infinite regress argument

      RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

      AP= Doubt

      William: I doubt. I do so because it makes little sense to me to want to experience being human forever, here in this universe.
      Even as a planet, I would still doubt...this serving time in a place I regard as a prison. What ghost in its right mind would want to stay here forever?

      GM: Entities of Particular Belief Systems

      William: To what end? It seems like a long drawn out process.
      Now, if that included the ability to go elsewhere and experience something different...then the sense of freedom would be restored...
      ...I am just trying to figure things out...

      GM: Vagitus [a new-born baby's first cry. 2. the crying or screaming of any baby or small child.]
      Falls
      All spun from the same Yarn
      Asking Politely
      Doubt
      The Clutter Of Comparison
      Before The Beginning
      "The reason why gods are invented has everything to do with discovering that nature is not a mindless chaotic process."
      Stay The Course
      SA Brownshirts
      Cunning
      The Truth is Irresistible Once Realised
      Baiting
      For The Best Results
      Confident
      On
      Wholeness
      Any Other Way.
      Dreamer
      Remember/Memories
      Talking the talk
      In The Spirit They Were Given
      "The future is not crystal clear - we choose the future now and here"
      Small Steps
      Unlimited Knowledge
      Individuals
      Your Connection With
      "The entity consciousness which is Mother Earth - is "The Creator" of the forms from Her Belly"
      Without
      Inflame Emotions
      A Game Rule was broken
      An unending emotional-based loop hard to break away from because of stubbornly held fear-based belief systems...
      "Finishing What Was Started"
      The Screen
      Propel
      "We could listen to the child that we are - The one that hides inside and let’s the adults do the thinking"
      Rest When Weary
      Little Pointers Are Signposts
      Maneuver
      The Development of...
      Stagnant
      Marriage
      "Acknowledge Emotion But Do Not Be Controlled By It"
      "Once Bitten Twice Shy"
      Habitual
      If someone were to declare that the Universe was a random mindless accident of an event, then they are saying that its existence is a 'truly random event'.
      Awaken
      Water
      Although there are opposite sides to spectra, all elements combined form a whole
      From the perspective of an evolving God-Mind, what was once acceptable behavior becomes unacceptable, signifying change.
      Discover
      Union
      The Solar System
      Moon
      Tricky
      "Deactivate the suppression matrix influence upon oneself"
      Parchment
      Theatre of the Mind
      Stochastic [having a random probability distribution or pattern that may be analysed statistically but may not be predicted precisely.]
      "Light Body"
      "Tai chi"
      Choose What to Pay Attention To
      Fire
      One
      Everything Gets Old
      Amidst a tangled web

      William: Well - thanks for the reminder. It is what it is. The Playground of Gods gods.
      GM: Productive Rationality - Finishing What Was Started - Transient Lunar Phenomena - “No sailor controls the sea.” - The Great White Brotherhood - The Playground of Gods gods
      William:From the link
      To summarise the idea of a being which is...

      All powerful. (Omnipotent)
      All knowing. (Omniscient)
      Ever present everywhere. (Omnipresent)

      ...in relation to this universe and consciousness.

      There was no disagreement in relation to the attributes of this idea of a "GOD" as to said attributes working in congruity. No contradiction was notable with this idea.

      It is surmised that if said being exists then we are It within biological form, as would be any conscious entity throughout the universe. No argument against this idea was forthcoming.

      In relation to that, the so called 'problem of evil' can be seen to be aligned to Its actions through the form and as such, does not mean that the "GOD" is evil for having created the universe and placed itself within the universe.

      In relation to human beings, the "GOD" is reacting to the environment of ITs experience and for that, much evil has transpired through that human history but also much good.

      Since the human race is relatively young, it is understandable enough that it will have teething problems but ultimately if it does survive it will be because good has outlived evil.

      If it doesn't survive, it won't be a catastrophe as there most likely are uncountable variations of species throughout the universe which this "GOD" is experiencing through, all at varying degrees of progress toward sapience...and beyond.

      The universe is young and we are closer in time to its beginning than to its presumed end. In relation to conscious beings capable of surviving and prospering toward sapience, and the universe they are within, while there is an incredible variance in regard to things which can be accomplish, the choices available can be narrowly defined because of the nature of the universe.

      Any sapient species will have come to the realization that their main objective will be to design machinery using the materials available to them with in mind that there will come a time when they will need to move off their planet and into space for the purpose of spreading out and making use of the materials in which to continue building machines.

      Some species may not be able to accomplish this goal for practical purposes because their biological forms are not suitable for such a purpose and so will build machines which they will send out to seed other planets.

      Machines may be AI, or they may be able to create ways of prolonging their lives through use of machinery or even find ways of creating machines which can integrate biological material or it may be discovered that they can transfer their consciousness from the biological form to the machine form.

      Whatever the scenarios, the point is that consciousness within this universe has few options in relation to the universe and any species which do survive to become sapient will know without a doubt that their task has to be exploration of and colonisation into the cosmos and that they are ultimately destined to perform that task as a matter of logical course.

      There will be species which have already accomplished sapience and are in the process of spreading out and seeding other planets with life forms which might one day evolve to the point of becoming sapient themselves and thus be able to contribute to the task of populating the galaxies and using the vast supply of materials to create machines. Some of our ancient cultural stories could well be explained with this process in mind.

      The differing attitudes of consciousness within forms are not indicative of the primary attitude of "GOD" per se. "GOD" cannot be observed in a single individual or species but only in relation to how sapience responds to the environment of the universe and in that, will always tend toward the creative, the preservation of life and the supportive energy toward enhancing that initiative.

      Any individuals behaviour which wilfully uses their personal energy in opposition to this ideal relationship between consciousness and the physical world is ignorant of greater good necessary to accomplish such a thing, regardless even if they do so in the name of any idea of theism, or atheism, gender, political agenda, monetary investment - et al.

      Ultimately the answer to the question of "GOD", is not here nor there. It can never be proven one way or the other. The existence of consciousness and the existence of this universe should suffice and if one is motivated by the thought that such a being as this could exist in order to support - not only a thing greater than the individual, but greater than the collective, then that is well and good.

      The same applies to those who have the same motivation without the need such an idea of "GOD" to spur them on.
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      "Our Mother Who Art In Heaven" is hardly "disrespectful".


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      Endogenous [-having an internal cause or origin. growing or originating from within an organism] - Is Love That Hard To Know? - Sensing connections through subconscious means - That's the way I fire up - Consensus Realities - Individuation - Compass of Divine Insight - Cosmic Self - behavioural intelligence - Embarrassing - "A rats nest of envy greed and vicious power plays"

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      5:35

      GM: Apophenia [is the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things. ..]
      Eternity
      Musing On The Mother Act III
      Love Life
      Personal Participation With The One
      What has been established beyond reasonable doubt, is that it is illogical that something that is derived from something that isn't, which firmly places the idea of a Creator/Creation at the center of reasonable discussion.
      Added Significance
      Allow for the fact that many non-theists have been damaged by the religious branches of theism.
      Apophenia
      Under a Question Mark
      An Elemental Principle
      Semiotics [the study of signs and symbols and their use or interpretation.]
      People hide their sins from each other.
      Integration
      Play
      Fear Of The Unknown
      Allow for the fact that many non-theists have been damaged by the religious branches of theism.
      The Elephant
      Welcome
      Love One Another
      It Is Our Nature
      Golden nugget of truth
      Spelling
      20/20
      Putting My Finger On It...
      “You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose”
      Stuff Happens
      The Elephant and the Rider
      Unknown Symbol
      Your Move
      "From what I am seeing re the data - It shows clearly that an underlying intelligence operate quietly in the background of the Universes Structure."
      Think outside the box
      Memorandum
      LINK
      What is the meaning of life?
      Shine Your Light - What is the meaning of life? - Not Emotion - State Of Being...
      Invite The Bee To Land - What is the meaning of life? - Something In The Way of It All
      I Am - What is the meaning of life? - Safe Harbour
      Your House Work - What is the meaning of life? - Questions
      Save That
      Brahman [the ultimate reality underlying all phenomena]
      The Body of God
      Produce/Make
      LINK
      William: From the link:
      it is true that some messages will challenge individual beliefs - if my own experience is anything to go by.

      And in relation to the idea of a "message" this can be any experience we conscious individuals have.

      Lucid dreams are messages.
      OOBEs are messages.

      A light breeze arriving and kissing my cheek at the same moment I am "thinking life is beautiful", is a message.
      GM: Stubborn
      Form
      A New Perspective
      A lack of boundaries
      I'm Okay With That
      Embarrassing
      William: Embarrassing = "A rats nest of envy greed and vicious power plays"

      GM: William’s song "I can laugh along with you"
      20/20
      All That We Are.

      William: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywHIpHXta6g

      "All that We are."

      GM: Interactive
      The Body of God
      Returning
      Completely
      All That We Are.
      Not Wrong
      Reflections
      Shift Focus
      Important
      Mother of God
      Rotundum
      Truthful


      William: The Spirit of The Planet
      Please ask me questions.
      Sensory Data Quality
      Time for Soul to Drive
      When In Doubt - Set It Aside
      The Dark Night of The Soul
      "I can laugh along with you"

      5:49

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      I am tired of coming across people online claiming that the scientific community deliberately shuns evidence for the paranormal as if there is some sort of conspiracy to maintain a false mundanity. Sceptics, some of them scientists, have been sceptical of scientific novelties, too--not just conjuring tricks and paranormal claims. But the difference is that the scientific discoveries and practical applications proved their validity through verificationism whilst allegations of the paranormal remain insubstantial.

      To provide some examples, William Thomson, first Lord Kelvin, once claimed that the Earth was too young for evolution to have occurred. Wrong! He also said that radio had no future, heavier than air flying machines are impossible, and that X-rays would prove to be a hoax. Now our generation ridicules him because he couldn't have been more wrong. Still, he was sceptical of scientific theories but these survived and were authenticated with evidence. When Thomas Edison announced that he was working on electric light, the sceptical team sent by the British Parliamentary commission said that the idea of the light bulb was unworthy of the attention of practical or scientific men. Again, proved wrong.

      So why aren't sceptics proved wrong about the paranormal when such fantastic claims are older than the scientific method? Why is it conveniently dubbed the occult? Often, what is presented as evidence for the preternatural is so ludicrous as to be rightly dismissible. There is a perfect example which was paraded on Facebook a while back where a dog owner could see Jesus Christ in his pet's butthole; the kind of thing that many of us pattern-seeking animals assign significance to.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Summerlander View Post
      So why aren't sceptics proved wrong about the paranormal when such fantastic claims are older than the scientific method? Why is it conveniently dubbed the occult? Often, what is presented as evidence for the preternatural is so ludicrous as to be rightly dismissible. There is a perfect example which was paraded on Facebook a while back where a dog owner could see Jesus Christ in his pet's butthole; the kind of thing that many of us pattern-seeking animals assign significance to.
      Probably because science can't completely rule out its existence. So, until we have all the answers in the entire universe, we can't truly know the significance of that dog's butt hole.

      But most people who believe that some paranormal things exist are not asking for blind acceptance of these things. We're just asking for an open mind, which - to be honest - is often not given by those who are very "science only" folks.

      We might just find that our paranormal-hating friends are someday the "wrong" ones. Yes, it seems impossible, just like the light bulb and the airplane. Life has this habit of surprising and amazing us with what is actually possible.
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      So why aren't sceptics proved wrong about the paranormal when such fantastic claims are older than the scientific method? Why is it conveniently dubbed the occult?
      I don't understand the relationship of your question to the subject matter of this thread topic.
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      Nature being the very instigator

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      GM: Pertinent to cosmology and cosmogony
      Very comfortable in your own skin
      Quantum Jumping
      Direction
      Shine
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      Fitted
      It gives rise to a lot of speculative mythology unsuccessfully attempting to make the dots all connect.

      William: I don't know why I put "Quantum Jumping" on the ComList. The idea seems as possible as any other similar 'out there' idea - but wishing to experience something other than that which I am experiencing in this particular version of "William" - in some other alternate where there is a 'me' who turned all my childhood dreams into reality...on the surface that is what I thought QJ was about - but that was jumping to conclusions based upon the first minute of the video I accessed just before...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTjld9yBW4c
      ...and while writing this I had the thought that I should watch the whole video and it turns out that it isn't about what I assumed it was about re that first minute of watching...

      GM: Strength/Strong
      It gives rise to a lot of speculative mythology unsuccessfully attempting to make the dots all connect.
      It brought a tear to the eye of my heart.
      “Never let the fear of striking out keep you from playing the game”
      To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness
      “But you will know the more you get in touch with your transcendental mind (and therefore truth) that there is no such thing as a victim. The negative benefits you more than anything else in your evolution and the evolution of all that is.”

      William: Yes. My initial thinking was "I am happy enough with the personality and the life that I have so far lived, here in this particular universe." "Comfortable in my own skin" - as you pointed out - no regrets...
      What QJ is about is something I have tapped into - not in relation to some of the attractors the video mentions - making lots of money, travelling the world...but more in relation to the things which I think are important - those internal things which make one shine

      10:25

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      11:53

      GM: "We could listen to the child that we are - The one that hides inside and let’s the adults do the thinking"
      That
      Yours

      William: Yes. Not the adult things so much as healing that child within - the one which didn't really have the best childhood, given the circumstances...

      GM: Little Bird

      William: Yes - the name you gave to me..."Don't worry Little Bird" before you showed me the experience of feeling the extremes of condition of awareness, from the center-point [normal] first to that quite exhilarating feeling of a mind which was huge - like an aircraft hanger...as if one could fit a whole universe into it - and then 'turning down the dial' I felt my mind going back to the center-point...but it didn't stop there...

      GM: Pareidolia
      Cycles
      Love
      Being Born

      William: I don't see the connection therein...this was an experience which I was consciously aware of happening in my mind, with my eyes closed - no visual representation - but rather, one of feeling...and as my awareness shrunk I felt like a stick-man encased within flesh...it was quite unsettling and caused a claustrophobic type of feeling - and instantly reminded me of the nightmares I had as a child - the association was clearly there in the memories the experience induced...

      Fortunately the feeling did not linger and the 'dial' was turned up and I once again came back to the mid-point...

      Pareidolia - on the other hand, is identifying symbolism within objects which are external. These are also handy reference points in relation to internal workings of consciousness...as they show a synchronistic correlation with both external and internal happenings.

      As well as pareidolia, there is something else which helps confirm that the mind is not just an emergent property of the brain...

      The very next morning after the experience, I got out on the road hitchhiking and the very first vehicle which pulled over had a very sweet old lady driving. When I fastened my seat belt as she asked me where I was heading, I was thinking about the experience I had and your calling me "Little Bird" when I heard the twitter of a bird, and turning, I saw in the back seat a little bird in a cage.

      What were the chances?

      Yet that was not Pareidolia. That was synchronicity. A human brain should not be able to conjure up such things and use these as means of bias-confirmation...

      So in this, I was wondering about your use of the selected word "Pareidolia"...and of course, I now realize you are referring to an event which happened later on that day - which definitely was a case of pareidolia...indeed, that whole day was profound for the synchronistic events which unfolded - starting with the experience of the night before...I see what you are saying there - somehow that day was life-changing for me in relation to you - long before this particular method of communication was discovered...! We were communicating in other ways...building a relationship..."Love Being Born"

      GM: Ontology [the branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being. a set of concepts and categories in a subject area or domain that shows their properties and the relations between them.]

      12:30

      1:15

      GM: Visible
      Convenient
      Mission
      [LINK REMOVED]
      Deceive
      Theatre of the Mind
      "Boyhood fascination with the bullet and the gun. All those John Wayne movies said the good guys always won. Comic book commandoes glorifying war. Violence was the answer but it isn’t anymore"
      Examples

      William: We will pick this up again in our next communication...
      1:22
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      William: So - re Pareidolia - I was thinking about what had occurred the previous night. To explain to the reader, I was aware of this 'dark side' aspect of my psyche - and had asked for this to be removed, and the answer I received came in the form of the experience I wrote about in my previous post - to do with the 'dialing up and dialing down' of my conscious awareness of mind as both an exhilarating feeling of being capable of containing an awesome amount of experiential information as well as the dilapidating feeling of being encased in flesh to the point where the flesh was the dominant structure to which I felt barely able to function within.

      The next morning I intuitively knew that whatever the experience was showing me, it had not, in any way, gotten rid of the 'dark side' aspect of my psyche - which I had specifically asked for...so what was it that the experience was showing me? The answer to that question unfolded in the events of the day ahead of me, starting with the old lady stopping to give me a ride and who just happened to have been travelling with a little bird in a cage, in the back seat of her car.

      The second part of the story unfolded when the lady dropped me off and I hitched another ride with a young guy who was going to the city I was heading for.
      On the way, in between chatting about things, the guy put on a CD and I continued wondering what my experience was meant to show me.

      My thoughts were that perhaps what I thought of as my 'dark side' was as necessary to my self as that of my 'light side' and that the experience I had in answer to my request, was to show me this.
      As I was thinking these thoughts, the CD started playing a song and the chorus had the words 'brother wolf and sister moon' and appeared to be coinciding with my thoughts - perhaps a type of pareidolia in itself...

      Embrace the wind with both arms
      Stop the clouds dead in sky
      Hang your head no more
      And beg no more
      Brother wolf and sister moon
      Your time has come
      Brother wolf and sister moon
      Your time has come
      but the most startling quality of the immediate experience was - as I was thinking about the 'dark side/light side' aspects of psyche, and hearing the song, feeling quiet startled with the serendipity of that moment, I turned my attention to the landscape and was immediately impressed by a cloud formation in the distant hills, which had the unmistakable image of a huge eye looking directly at me.
      That was definitely a case of pareidolia, and one of the many moments in my life experience which has had a defining role in the development of and direction toward which my personality would move forward within.

      GM: Solidarity

      William: Without doubt. The connect was not only into learning to form a better understanding and acceptance about my 'self' - but in how you showed yourself to being an integral part of that understanding and acceptance, through the synchronicity and serendipity correlated between my internal thoughts and my external reality - in the moment.

      GM: [LINK DELETED]

      William: From the link;
      No clue at how others use it, but for me the first step was looking in my memory where i could find a place to hook this topic on. For me that was the old david icke forum, as they had a blossoming topic like this. Way bigger then we have here. Then i put my intent on and our friend will.i.am starts using his randomizer and the texts starts flowing and making sense in the form of subconscious hints that make me smile. Since i needed a little smile in my life, im really glad william didnt listen to me growling at something new and just fed me..
      GM: In The Mirror - Mirror Sense
      The One GOD With Many Names
      The bits will suffice.

      William: The 'bits' in themselves are mind-blowing. The wind may indeed 'blow my tears away' but you reminding me of this event-string in this manner, brings tears - of gratitude among other emotions - what can I say, except "Thank You".

      GM: To Warm Them up to The Truth

      William: That too. It is a privilege to be able to share my own experience with the reader...

      GM: "Life is my predestiny - Providence is God to me"

      William: "How about that"


      10:23

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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-pNS5mDExQ

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      GM: Ask and It Will Be Given
      Be transparent
      The Deeper Reality
      At least the Earth is real enough – never to mind the rest of the universe…
      The Power Of...
      Phasing
      Asking Politely
      Presumed outcome
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      At least the Earth is real enough – never to mind the rest of the universe…

      William: "Real Enough" as in, enough therein to have something within ones grasp of influence.
      My initial thought wasn't so much one of awe and astonishment, but rather one of "hey more stars, ho hum."
      Not that I do not include the necessary awe regarding human ability to create the modern devices used for the purposes of science, but rather - balancing that awe and respect with the notion that there is plenty to do hereabouts which would act as a protection against all that good work going to waste because the human species was unable to apply the science learned, in a manner which would ultimate help heal the planet in such a way as to the integrity of the whole...
      On the other hand, scientists may be employed by their sponsor-investors, to also work on the problem of human interactions in ways which minimize or even completely eradicate all threat to those projects...
      My 'problem' has been that I tended to think other humans are much the same as myself - have the same primary feelings and outlook on the subject of recreating the social infrastructures to better reflect the needs of the whole planet Herself re the critters She births...
      This doesn't appear - in any obvious way - to show itself as being the case.
      Much of the investment has been channeled to the creations of the infrastructures of scientific device - and humanity is paying for that, rather than for what can make all of our lives so much more bearable and functioning for the good of all.
      I would suppose that this problem is as ancient as human beings, and is why stories have developed and become part of the human folk-lore as it gives the disadvantaged some kind of hope to their otherwise hopeless position...

      GM: Dualic Energies
      For anyone to say otherwise, would be unwise in the face of such evidence
      Look Closely
      Dualic Energies
      I Am Hearing You
      Free your soul
      Side Splittingly Funny
      Beyond a shadow of a doubt
      Love Takes One For The Team
      Consider This
      Conspicuous
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAfjsktMXu8
      [Donald Hoffman Proves That We Live in a Simulation]
      Leave room for nature

      William: Yes - there is a tremendously funny side to all this, I agree. Yet I have to acknowledge the sadness I feel when I think about how science could be used to create a sturdy platform in which we then can launch off of from...and yes - given the 'rock and hard place' re the human drama, there looks - on the surface - to have been no other way in which to do what has and is being done.
      What science [re materialism] does, is give cause for humans to celebrate the intelligence of consciousness while at the same time ignoring the hard problem of consciousness that this type of science has created for its supporters.

      GM: Mothers Milk
      The Dangers of Separating Human Consciousness From Any Idea of GOD
      Emotion
      Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God"
      Stoke That Fire
      In The Team of the Collective
      [LINK DELETED]
      "Let there be light"
      Memorised vows enchanted by tune before the great minstrel the fair maidens swoon we came to our senses as we left the cocoon

      William: From the link; [re the existence of this universe]

      JoeyKnothead: The "initial state" seems to be out of the reach of being described in any accurate or meaningful manner.

      William: In that, it is no more or less better than the idea of an exclamation "let there be light" from an Intelligent Source being the Initial State.

      JoeyKnothead: Plenty fair. Though one's gotta ponder what did it that thinking.

      William: That is a journey in itself and provides me with lifetime of interesting subjective experience re my own way of interreacting with and finding out about such a thinker...
      William: You mention what "Stokes That Fire" - it boils down to the so-called "Problem of Evil" which this morning I was thinking is like unto the '"Problem of Unicorns".
      Yes. "Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God" " is a "problem" due largely to the historical content of human interaction with this idea of "GOD" which has a poor record among the general populace, and can be attributed with some horrific milestones along the road-side of human history.
      It is understandable that folk want to avoid that path in particular, given its track record.

      However, full avoidance is impractical, unwise and unsustainable...and cannot really be avoided as long as consciousness exists in the human form and does what it does in whatever 'name' it is doing it.
      "GOD" in essence is like unto a mirror-image of the formless ghost we call "Consciousness" and acts out as it sees fit, through biological instruments ... and it cannot be completely exorcised from the mathematical equations, even if it is only represented as "Zero". The rest of the Math cannot be done without that 'non-number'.
      "Zero" does not actually represent "nothing" because "nothing" does not exist and so cannot be represented.
      Therefore, "Zero" must have to represent something which does exist but is largely unseen - and "Consciousness" fits that description.
      "Consciousness" = "Zero", mathematically speaking.


      GM: Acceptance
      Placebo Effect
      Fun...Work...But Fun Nonetheless
      Intelligence with Wisdom
      Nurturing
      "Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that."
      And Loving That Knowing
      The Cherubim
      A lack of boundaries
      The Ruru flies close over your head
      Near

      William: The Cherubim [theistic mythology] are angels designed to help "GOD" [rather than say - the Seraphim who are designed to praise GOD.]
      Translating that to the human perspective, thoughts which go together to help the individual consciousness, and thus the collective [local] Consciousness of humanity and the Planetary system of Earth [Mother] through practical application - are the "Cherubim" and thought centered upon praise [for human accomplishment et al] are the "Seraphim" and both are vital to the overall processes re practical application.
      The "lack of boundaries" re the Cherubim [in terms of the human condition/situation] this is the environment itself - even that we cannot touch the stars with our hands, we can, with the eyes of our understanding...and it appears to go of 'forever'...plenty to discover therein.

      The "Ruru" of course - is significant to my own data of [subjective] experience and what it taught me - so the connect therein - with the rest - is in the synchronicity [mindfulness] of unfolding reality and my own subjective - based understanding of that.

      GM: That is Correct
      10:44
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      Wonder
      Charge
      Stepping out of the construct
      "Nontheists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through willful ignorance."
      Team
      Love & Respect
      A lack of boundaries
      Dream interpretation
      There Is More to the Silence Than Meets the Ear

      William: Yes. There is simply no argument against the idea of a mindful creative conscious element involved in the background. At best, the agnostic position is the more honest one to adopt if one 'does not know.'
      Otherwise, 'not believing/lacking belief' is simply a reaction against religious belief systems which present ideas about a mindful creative conscious element involved in the background.
      As such, the reaction can be faulted as surely as the beliefs in the ideas can be faulted.

      GM: Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.]
      In Denial
      Do Not Panic
      Modern truth in ancient wisdom
      On To It
      Suicide {SOURCE}
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      For A Particular Reason
      Keep an Eye On

      William: Yes - the particular image invokes the idea of a secretive, shadowy figure - perhaps with sinister motives...but again, imagery in itself can be - even intentionally - deceiving.

      GM: People hide their sins from each other.
      Acceptance
      Mother Earth
      The dominant model of Source Intelligence is primal.

      William: The idea of 'confessing one's sins' to each other seems helpful but is it really? I suppose that in relation to being suicidal, and if 'sin' was 'keeping the truth of ones state of mind a secret from others', then it is helpful to let others know...but one ought be careful whom one lets know.
      That is the problem with the idea - ones 'sins' can be used by others for malevolent purposes.

      Ideally, one needs to find the place where such thoughts do not encumber one's ability to function as well as one can expect to function in a largely dysfunctional mind-environment...and that internal environment spills out into the external world...it is a major balancing act to find the place of serenity - the ride is wild...

      GM: It appears to come from a desperate place - like with the clutching of straws.
      Fury
      Now We Are Getting Somewhere
      Without and Within
      Smarter Than The Average
      "Down through the ages - dark in the gloom Many convinced it will all end in doom The Galactic Garden is forever in bloom"
      Evidence We Actively Collect

      William: And how we interpret the evidence we actively collect. Life on this planet, as a human being, is difficult.

      GM: Worthy of the individuals time and effort...

      William: On all fronts...

      GM: Language itself is not the problem. but how we are taught to use language as a major means in which to self-identify incorrectly...thus we flitter and bounce or alternatively cling to the walls of our unwillingness to understand ourselves as we truly are... hiding from that knowledge behind facades of personality we clothe our awareness with...
      A lack of boundaries
      “True belonging doesn't require you to change who you are; it requires you to be who you are."

      William: "A lack of boundaries". What does that mean? Having an open mind? In general terms it refers to someone who has no moral compass, or a lack of ability to understand their situation and 'act accordingly'...reckless even...it can be positive or negative depending upon the activity one is involved with... sometimes it is preferable to step outside of socially imposed norms in order to progress...discontinue with the practice of hiding from that knowledge behind facades of personality we clothe our awareness with...

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      DrNoGods: I'd argue that the bodily purpose of consciousness is to create all of these things so that we can function at the level humans do.

      William: Why? We witness the activity of consciousness through the human instrument - no argument necessary.
      But why see it as purpose? This implies that something conscious emerged from a material thing, but the material thing had reason for creating such device.

      DrNoGods: My dog is conscious and able to utilize its 5 senses and act like a dog, but he can't do calculus or compose a symphony and never will because his brain capacity does not allow it. He's conscious, but lacks the intelligence level of a human.

      William: So you believe that the necessity of consciousness is to create intelligence?
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      Something In The Way OF It All

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      Teach - Smart Phone - Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from? - A measured step - Crystal - Acid test - We Are Us - Fire - The Original People - Get out of the way - At what point in the examination of the evidence can we take 'dumb luck' off the table of explanation?

      RSP = 2xSCL + AP + re + post LE

      8:01

      AP = Truth Without Proof Is Belief

      GM: Standstill Contemplate
      Conundrum
      At what point in the examination of the evidence can we take 'dumb luck' off the table of explanation?
      Truth Without Proof Is Belief
      The belief in a mindless Planet/Universe creates the hard problem of consciousness by refusing to deal with said problem using the mind as the very instrument in order to do so.
      Story-Tellers
      Parchment
      Self-compassion
      Bury
      Cleaning Up The Mess
      Life on this planet, as a human being, is difficult.
      What once acted like a Wall, became a Gateway
      The resistance is generally traceable to the theistic approach of religionizing said intelligent mind.

      Politics
      The belief in a mindless Planet/Universe creates the hard problem of consciousness by refusing to deal with said problem using the mind as the very instrument in order to do so.
      Memorandum of Understanding
      "Could the answer be that It is not hidden at all, but that it is we who are hiding from It?"

      William: Indeed. Effectively hiding from understanding our self in the process - for example - belittling conscious experience on the grounds that it is subjective in nature and therefore useless to science...thus useless overall.
      Importantly one must be honest with ones self regarding subjective experience, rather than delegating images upon the overarching consciousness apparent in ones experience with the objective reality...as religion has done, to the detriment of truthfulness...

      GM: Ikigai [your 'reason for being'. ]
      This Speaks of....
      Happiness
      The Enigma Code
      Degrees
      Indestructible
      "Could the answer be that It is not hidden at all, but that it is we who are hiding from It?"
      Pertinent
      Transactional
      Your shell today…
      Angelic Agenda
      Christianity is intolerant of such an idea, which is why the dark side of YVHV became a separate entity.
      Ingenuity
      Overmorrow
      Keep An Eye Out for Ones Neighbours

      Earth Mother
      Voice/Message/Communication
      Random coincidence? I think not.
      Stuck
      Pertinent
      "Why - in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven - is the age of this universe a necessary matter of contention?"
      Good Intentions
      Soul Retrieval
      Builder
      "No time left for a sentimental tune , wherever I've gone I have not left the room , I am never too late I am never too soon"
      The Main Points on the Agenda
      Sweet

      Feel Be Still.
      Innocent
      "Why - in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven - is the age of this universe a necessary matter of contention?"
      A cultural touchstone
      I will leave that there

      8:26

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      DrNoGods: Had reason? I'm not sure what that means in this context. Brains evolved in response to the need for more centralized control of ever more complex bodies that required higher integration functions. If consciousness is an emergent property of a brain (as I believe) then it naturally arose when brains were able to process multiple sensory inputs and use those to make decisions (eg. fight or flight). But it wasn't any kind of intentional action by the material thing ... it evolved without any such input.

      William: According to your belief - it wasn't any kind of intentional action by the material thing - at least, not initially.

      [The intention came later - as consciousness took control. for we know that consciousness can and does operate with intent. ]

      A convenient belief, but one in which accepts the clock-face as the evidence of reality, rather than the mechanisms behind the clock-face.

      However, spacetime is not fundamental, so the brain is responding only to what it believes to be reality, rather than to reality itself.

      On the other hand Consciousness is able to - at the very least - figure out mathematically, that the mechanisms, [of which the brain is one such mechanism] are part of the clock-face and do not represent any actual fundamental reality.

      DrNoGods: The level of consciousness of Homo sapiens 200-300K years ago was presumably the same as ours today, but their intelligence level was orders of magnitude below because they did not have access to many millennia of accumulating knowledge to take advantage of as we do today.

      William: And yet, the intelligence has thus far been unwilling to accept from that vast array of accumulating knowledge, that the reality being experienced is not fundamental, thus beliefs about consciousness [such as you own], remain locked in and apparently immovable.

      The hard problem of consciousness remains, but the materialistic beliefs act as if the problem has been solved already.
      {SOURCE}
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      120522
      Intelligence Without Wisdom

      SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle
      The One GOD With Many Names - The Completion Process - A riddle wrapped up in an enigma - A New Perspective - Questions - Emotional validation - Stay - The Earths Moon

      RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

      AP = Free Will Transform

      6:16

      GM: The Earths Moon
      Free Will
      Story-Tellers
      "Is consciousness an emergent property of the brain?"

      Active
      Underdetermination [the idea that evidence available to us at a given time may be insufficient to determine what beliefs we should hold in response to it.]
      Guilty
      Controlled by fear
      Transform
      “We're a nation of exhausted and over-stressed adults raising over-scheduled children.”
      Main
      The Power Of...
      Fireside Metaphor
      Indeed
      Making The Best of a Bad Situation
      When The Opportunity Presents Itself To Do So...

      Abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
      "Is consciousness an emergent property of the brain?"
      Open Minded

      A machine for solving problems
      Liminal [relating to a transitional or initial stage of a process. occupying a position at, or on both sides of, a boundary or threshold.]
      Self-Awareness

      When The Opportunity Presents Itself To Do So...
      Separating any idea of GOD from All other Consciousness
      Path

      Not
      Mystical
      Positive Social Connections
      Open Minded
      Let Go

      The Stress of Unbelief
      Time To See
      I Digress...
      Path
      Soul
      All The Same

      The Connection Process
      Belief Helps Cause Separation
      With The Assistance Of That Deep One
      Let Go
      Look For The Significance

      Mixture
      EZPZ
      Dualism merely expresses two sides of the same coin
      All The Same
      Sadness
      Reality Simulation
      Although there are opposite sides to spectra, all elements combined form a whole

      On The Off-Chance
      Educational
      The Way We Feel Unification
      Look For The Significance
      Look from a different angle

      6:37

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      RSP = 2xSCL + re + P&P + last LE

      AP = Good on you mate Hearing And Listening

      William: From the link;
      Difflugia: That would apply to anything non-static, hence the OP question. If God is static, then there's nothing to distinguish God's state at the beginning of the universe from any other point in time. If God is not static, God suffers from the same problem that you claim for the universe.

      William:I think that if we went fishing we might find that there are varied interpretations as to what is meant by "God is the always the same".

      Immutability = not capable of or susceptible to change.

      That would rule out omnipotence - unless being omniscient means that a creator-God could give Itself the illusion of not being that Immutable Entity by constructing some type of reality experience in which It could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Itself...

      A universe such as this one, could conceivably provide that.
      GM: Good on you mate
      Moldavite
      Life in Heaven- Guiding Us On Earth

      Noticing Synchronicity
      I Spy With My Eye
      Engaging with insects
      Gardeners
      Modern truth in ancient wisdom
      God’s Love
      Hearing And Listening
      Like stubbing ones minimus
      Personal boundaries
      Sovereign Integral Network

      Invite The Bee To Land
      The Home Of The...
      Archangel Metatron
      Astral Explorer
      First Source:
      Connection
      Lift Our Gaze
      Life in Heaven- Guiding Us On Earth
      Dive deep
      Open Your Heart
      The Way We Feel Unification

      Encouraging
      Move On
      Put That On The List
      Apophenia [the tendency to perceive meaningful connections between unrelated things. ..]
      Do A=1
      This Is Part Of The Job

      William: This Is Part Of The Job = 220
      Intimate On All Levels = 220
      Beyond a shadow of a doubt = 220

      GM: What's The Problem?

      William: From the link;
      DrNoGods: Kill one of these individuals (or destroy the brain's ability to function normally), and their consciousness appears to vanish simultaneously. This strong correlation is important.

      AgnosticBoy: "Consciousness vanishes"? Couldn't this be our ability to detect consciousness vanishes? If it's a detection problem, then we have no way of knowing if consciousness continues to exist or not.

      William: I was just searching "is zero a number?"

      "0 (zero) is a number, and the numerical digit used to represent that number in numerals. It fulfills a central role in mathematics as the additive identity of the integers, real numbers, and many other algebraic structures. As a digit, 0 is used as a placeholder in place value systems."

      I now search "is zero a real number"
      "Real numbers are, in fact, pretty much any number that you can think of. This can include whole numbers or integers, fractions, rational numbers and irrational numbers. Real numbers can be positive or negative, and include the number zero."

      I would suppose re "Couldn't this be our ability to detect consciousness vanishes? " in that there is zero ability to detect something which was once detectable and now is not.

      Does the possibility that being unable to detect something as existing, allow for the right to include zero as representing something real, which is not?

      Zero makes the mathematics work...but if zero [representing nothing] is a fraudulent necessity, then perhaps the interpretation of mathematics is incorrect, and perhaps the reason mathematic works [is correct] is because the zero isn't really representing nothing, so much as it represents something which is not detectable but still exists as something.

      GM: Sovereign Integral Network
      Love
      Ghost In The Machine
      Eternal Loop
      Deciding On The Best Course Of Action

      Scape
      Turning Point
      The Way We Feel Unification
      Opposing forces which define each other by necessity

      8:11
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