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      Inside the workings of intelligence
      Superposition and entanglement

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      Henotheism [adherence to one particular god out of several, especially by a family, tribe, or other group.] - It isn't important who is who , what is important is what comes through. - One can commune with the gods as long as the overall subject is God 😊 - The past and the future are moments of 'now' ... to deny they have no bearing on this moment, is counter-productive - Making The Best of a Bad Situation - IQ - Consciousness itself is fundamental to all our virtual realities - Marriage - Science Can Be Fun Too - Formatrix [She who forms] - This is indicative of actual justice - Dare greatly

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP = Central Intelligence Agency The Language of Innocence

      William: What is "wisdom" to some is "spam" to others

      11:22

      GM: Under the watchful eye and guiding arm of YHWH
      I Think
      There is nothing fundamentally evil or good about struggle, or the design of the experiential reality which implements struggle.
      Dare greatly
      Central Intelligence Agency
      The Attitude
      Tracks In The Snow

      William: It is all making sense
      Strength of Soul
      The way of knowledge
      Practical application

      GM: Sound
      The Language of Innocence
      Technique of Exchange
      Super-information medium
      All The Same
      Phenomenon
      Anyhoo
      Angels
      It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something
      Free! Free! Free!
      Who Knows Who?
      By all means, psychoanalyze the hell out of it
      https://www.dreamviews.com/religion-...ml#post2246098
      Insidious
      Behavioural adjustments
      Walking the walk
      An inappropriate analogy
      A lack of boundaries
      Sophistry [a fallacious argument.]

      William: From the link;
      Summerlander: Bearing in mind what happened to Job, I'd like you to picture such scenario happening to you, only you discover that the disease you've been infected with and the torture and murder of some of the people you love and care about were the result of a bet that your father had with some nefarious agent. You confront your father and demand answers only to hear him say that you weren't around when he made a home for you and your siblings and that you are not wise enough to comprehend his actions.

      Would you bow down to your father and call his actions caring?

      VVilliam: I would respect his position immensely and bow to that – the 'bowing' would be symbolized within the actions of showing respect.
      I would also have further questions... Questions as such a Son might be permitted to ask and be graced with answers.

      What is a poor boy to do, faced with such factuality?

      I might also ask “how thick do you want my skin to be?” but would be smiling as I did so…

      GM: The Things You Do...
      We Are
      There is a mind behind what we call "creation/the universe"
      "Get out of the way
      Ness"

      William: Most things are simple far too 'big' for the individual to make founded speculations about...but it is understandable enough that we have to make that effort to try and comprehend our position/predicament
      As was pointed out by Purple Knight today;

      don't disagree with religion because I think none of the mystical events happened, though I do see many of them as highly unlikely.

      I disagree with religion because I think that when you claim special moral privilege, such as, "I am God, what I say is right. Obey me," you need to justify that to everyone's satisfaction - everyone you expect that deference from.

      If it's no more than assuming the created should be loyal to the creator, would you be happy saying that Satan's special people should be loyal to Satan? A few of the religious and semi-religious people I know think Satan created white people. Let's say this is literally true. I don't imagine anyone would be happy with allowing and even condoning an allegiance to evil just because it created you, and that and that everyone would say, no, if your creator is evil then cast him off. So that fails.

      If it's because God is omnipotent, does that just make it true that might makes right? Even if we're happy with that it's up to peoples' own judgment what they do when there's an absentee landlord. If they end up bowing to Nazis and calling it right because they can see the Nazis and they can't see God, then people who lay righteousness on a foundation of power really baked their own cake there.
      GM: Fireside Friend
      External validation
      Transformed
      In The Mirror - Mirror Sense
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76206#p1076206

      William: From the link;
      Nobs: Or is there no god at all, and the bible is a hodgepodge of slapped together fairy tales but clueless people who wish to cominate and control the masses?

      William: Or - the god is dealing with misinformation regarding itself and allows for that misinformation to help gauge those using that system of belief as the only information they themselves gauge god with.

      To cominate and control the masses, is an indirect way in which to influence god for as long as allowed to do so.

      Perhaps there is something to the 'gauging' the god does in the way that god does so - a special something which identifies those who actually know god from those who know only misinformation about god.
      Perhaps the god seeks to see itself within all those being gauged...and the 'special something' is that thing it seeks, been found...

      But to suggest "there is no god at all", jumps to conclusions...
      GM: Family of origin
      Friendship is an agreement between individuals to support one another in any way they can, for mutually beneficial results.
      If we can remove the stigma of our situation by not judging it either 'good' or 'evil' perhaps we can learn to be happy with being human
      Expression
      "To like it or not, one must judge it"
      Adroit [clever and skilful.]
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...77752#p1077752

      William: From the link;
      Anything unexplained by science does not constitute a miracle, any more than the secrets of a magicians illusion constitutes a miracle.

      Theoretically, a magicians secrets re an illusion can ALL be explained through scientific method, even if the secret is difficult to uncover.

      The magician him/her self already knows the answer to the secret, and so in that sense, already knows the science behind the illusion, which is to say - there is always a scientific explanation to what appear to be 'miracles' and thus, there are really no such thing as miracles. There are only such things as unexplained/secrets which are - in the case of the magicians illusion - purposefully kept from the observers knowledge.
      GM: Counsel
      Conducive to wellbeing
      Breakthrough
      Farsightedness
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...69172#p1069172

      William: From the link;
      William: While The Subject is focused on "Egoless" the subject matter of the GM has to do with how things unfolded re the Universe...what is being referred to as "The Old Soul" may have something to do with the cosmology of The Mind of The Universe - in that - at one point so close to the beginning, there was no sense of self but with the unfolding, a sense of self developed.

      GM:The Old Soul
      Not
      Asleep or awake for the give or the take Its a good ship that sails these cosmos
      Look from a different angle
      Vehicle

      William: The Mind - at some point after becoming self aware - focused upon the things within the universe which It could use as a vehicle - a device in which it could make things happen through.

      Such as the device of a planet - such as is evident of Earth.

      "Asleep or awake for the give or the take
      Its a good ship that sails these cosmos
      With a mystical smile I float down the isle
      Forgetting the time when I was lost"
      GM: Mind-Filters
      Fierce
      Be still
      Determination
      Creatio Ex Deo [The idea that God creates out of Gods self]
      Meaningful

      11:49

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      Diogenes: Children are born atheists. They are not born believing in God. That has to be taught.

      William: That is like claiming that children are born creationists "because they had to be taught" evolution
      ______________

      090622
      Let the facts speak for themselves

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      Lost - Bury - Prison Planet - Clumsy - You Are Provided For - Archetypes - [. an original which has been imitated; a prototype. ] - Three Dimension Printing - That is Correct - Without and Within - Those - A lack of boundaries - Thoughts Are Products Of... - Creatio Ex Nihilo - Of This Place

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP = Shuussssh You Do It

      William: Express your feelings...

      8:00

      GM: An Eternal Entity Consciousness
      Worthy of the individuals time and effort
      Invisible Pink Unicorn
      Imagination
      Of This Place
      Shuussssh
      Embrace the discomfort
      Innocent
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...71664#p1071664

      William: From the link;
      Go slow - If In Doubt Let It Sit - The Fine Art of Not Being Offended - On The Off-Chance - With that in mind and treating the Source-Story as largely a work of fiction, we can look at the fact of the story itself and agree re the different Personalities of the Characters within The Story. - Ontology - Ancient Entity - Carl Jung - Machine Learning - Sun

      William: Ontology - the branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being. a set of concepts and categories in a subject area or domain that shows their properties and the relations between them.
      William: Also to do with "archetypes" [(in Jungian theory) a primitive mental image inherited from the earliest human ancestors, and supposed to be present in the collective unconscious. a recurrent symbol or motif in literature, art, or mythology.]

      GM: Productive
      Consider This
      The God of The Bible
      Available to all who seek this...Emergence Theory
      "Better The Devil You Know"
      An Exam
      People Don't Like To Be Judged
      Brother, where Art Thou?

      William: The Nervous System...for now...

      GM: Know This
      Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God"
      Without full understanding of our language, our knowledge is distorted
      You Do It
      The Number Zero

      William: The Voice Within
      Information field
      Spiritual path

      GM: Illumination
      "I’ve travelled on these southern roads. They’ve taken me to many answers to my questions"

      William: "Followed the white line in the daylight - Cats eyes shining bright in the darkness of my night..."

      GM: Deep Space
      Turbulent
      Free To Choose
      Everything
      Self-talk
      Heuristics [mental shortcuts that allows people to solve problems and make judgments quickly and efficiently. ]
      Process
      GOD became Gods and Goddesses.
      An Exam
      Emotion
      Now
      Sclerotic [becoming rigid and unresponsive; losing the ability to adapt.]
      "Humans are humans and there is a history of violent furious reaction to the situation we are in. Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment."
      Synchronicity
      “The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched — they must be felt with the heart”
      Self Awareness
      Show Your Soul
      Trustworthy
      https://www.dreamviews.com/religion-...ml#post2245862

      William: From the link;
      we do hold onto beliefs as the precious things that they appear to be...

      And it is true that some messages will challenge individual beliefs - if my own experience is anything to go by.

      And in relation to the idea of a "message" this can be any experience we conscious individuals have.

      Lucid dreams are messages.
      OOBEs are messages.

      A light breeze arriving and kissing my cheek at the same moment I am "thinking life is beautiful", is a message.

      From my experience, the systems I use re generating messages have sometimes challenged my beliefs, and I know how hard that can be, and have even sulked on occasion and refused to commune for weeks afterward, until I calm down, through thinking about things and coming to better conclusion - being honest about my beliefs and letting go of those ones which are resistant to change or suppress my ability to move forward...
      GM: Incarnation
      "In thinking more about that truly unknown thing called the sub or unconscious aspect of ourselves, I found myself thinking that we are to it, what our shadow is to us"
      Brave
      Research into the Phenomenology of the Self [an approach that concentrates on the study of consciousness and the objects of direct experience.]
      Be Led
      Secrets of the Soul
      Human beings can do it the hard way or the easy way, but either way, the job will get done.

      William: Given our position in the scheme of things, all ways are hard ways but some ways are harder than other ways.

      GM: Cultivate
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70555#p1070555

      William: From the link;
      The Barbarian: The proverbial saying 'power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely' conveys the opinion that, as a person's power increases, their moral sense diminishes.

      William:Surely this would have to do with the underlying models of the systems which govern human society, where power can be used for corrupt purposes.

      The models themselves, must be corrupt.
      If the models are corrupt, then there is simply no way in which to hope they will ensure human beings act without corruption, because the models are taught to human beings from the moment they are able to learn - effectively meaning that human beings are taught to be corrupt - are corrupted - by the very models which govern human societies - models which were created by ancient humans and the corruption has been passed down through the ages - and modified with the latest knowledge, and that addition corrupts the knowledge.
      GM: At least the Earth is real enough – never to mind the rest of the universe…
      And That's Not All
      What has been established beyond reasonable doubt, is that it is illogical that something that is derived from something that isn't, which firmly places the idea of a Creator/Creation at the center of reasonable discussion.
      Inertia [a property of matter by which it continues in its existing state of rest or uniform motion in a straight line, unless that state is changed by an external force.]
      "This" Translates To "That".

      William: Unconscious mind inertia
      Random coincidence? I think not.

      Unfolding Nicely
      Endogenous [having an internal cause or origin. growing or originating from within an organism - not attributable to any external or environmental factor.]
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76206#p1076206


      William: From the link;
      Nobs: Or is there no god at all, and the bible is a hodgepodge of slapped together fairy tales but clueless people who wish to cominate and control the masses?

      William: Or - the god is dealing with misinformation regarding itself and allows for that misinformation to help gauge those using that system of belief as the only information they themselves gauge god with.

      To cominate and control the masses, is an indirect way in which to influence god for as long as allowed to do so.

      Perhaps there is something to the 'gauging' the god does in the way that god does so - a special something which identifies those who actually know god from those who know only misinformation about god.
      Perhaps the god seeks to see itself within all those being gauged...and the 'special something' is that thing it seeks, been found...

      But to suggest "there is no god at all", jumps to conclusions...
      William: Comminate - to threaten with divine punishment.

      GM: Any God-Mind claiming to be responsible for human beings existing, is going to have problems to deal with re that
      *Laughter*

      William:

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      AB: When atheists are made aware of or about God, then their lack of belief is no longer passive but instead it is active. At that point, the atheist makes the choice or concludes that what they've heard is not convincing based on their standards of evidence and logic.

      William: When I first heard the claim I thought it had something to do with boosting numbers - but for a non-theist to claim that "all babies are atheists" because they lack belief in gods, it appears to be no more or less preposterous than a creationist claiming all babies are born creationists, because they lack belief in evolution.

      The fact of the matter is that all babies are born ignorant and this is where I think agnosticism comes into play because agnostics admit to the ignorance once the ignorance about being ignorant becomes active rather than passive.
      _____________________________

      100622

      "It is a slippery path of snake-oil."

      William: Three three zero...
      Atheism and Theism
      Confirmation bias

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      Verdant - Giving birth - Stop. Listen. Observe. Wonder. - Conception - The Enigma Code - On The Off-Chance

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP = Possibility waves All Information Is Channelled.

      6:28

      GM: Sorting ones self out - a complex and tricky undertaking...
      Placing aside the childish not the childlike
      When The Dust Settles
      On The Off-Chance
      Possibility waves
      Tetrad [a group or set of four.]
      I'm okay with that
      Sangreal [another term for grail]
      Everything
      Rarified
      Mendacious [not telling the truth; lying.]
      "Humans are humans and there is a history of violent furious reaction to the situation we are in. Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment."
      Create Your Own Spirit Ship
      Mantra
      The Attitude
      Slowly and Surely
      "Now isn't the time for tears"
      Emotion Rides The Prow
      Water
      The Culture of Human Lineage
      Precipitate
      The Science of Spirituality
      Loving-kindness
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70402#p1070402

      William: From the link;
      William: What has been established beyond reasonable doubt, it that it is illogical that "something that is, derived from something that isn't", which firmly places the idea of a Creator/Creation as primary for genuine and sustained consideration.

      brunumb: What hasn't been established is what preexisted this iteration of matter/energy that we refer to as the universe.
      If it was not 'nothing' and we know nothing about it, then how can we deduce that it involved some sort of mindful creator?

      William: Easily enough. We know that mind is integrated with matter. Thus we have clear evidence that a mindful creator is involved, even if that creator-mind is unfolding from the Seed of Origin which birthed the universe we are witnessing through experience.
      Being that it has emerged since the germination {Big Bang} it has had a great amount of time in which to learn to effect the matter to whatever it wills, even to the point of doing so here on this planet, as we ourself bear witness, even to the degree that we refer to that as "reality".
      GM: Crown chakra
      Acknowledge The Agreeable
      What might occur?
      Self-mastery
      Taking root
      Reason
      Dream journal
      Gifts to Give
      "Off you go to your quarters"
      The blurry line of the neutral zone
      Sun energy
      Read On
      Maneuver
      Awaken
      Self-limitation
      "Indeed. It happens. Deal with it. Work it."
      Resident of The Hub Of Hologram Dimensions
      Penny Tuppence
      The Human Brain
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...79036#p1079036

      William: From the link;
      Compassionist: Yes, you are a victim.

      William: According to my connect with the "Cosmic Mind", I am informed that I am 'nobodies victim - ever." I agree with the assessment, even while understanding your own propensity to think of yourself [and everyone else] as victims.
      GM: Nature being the very instigator
      "We Are Us"
      Honest
      "It is not about what is written, but rather - why it is about what was written"
      To like it or not, one must judge it
      Pulse
      Mixture
      The resistance is generally traceable to the theistic approach of religionizing said intelligent mind.

      William: Yes - I understand that the atheist resistance has much to do with this...there is an emotional undercurrent evident in the protest and subsequent vilifying of anything to do with a creator of this universe...even thinking that the universe is a creation, goes against a largely unacknowledged atheist creed to preserve the state of lacking belief in gods...

      GM: Correct
      From First Principles
      Bullies
      "Yes We Can"
      "Supernatural"
      *Arms Crossed*
      A Loving Heart
      The Void
      ~"Zero" must have to represent something which does exist but is largely unseen - and "Consciousness" fits that description.~
      Hey! look at that! It's uncanny...
      Look Closely
      "All Information Is Channelled."
      Something Like That
      Strengthen your boundaries
      Entheogenic [psychoactive substances that induce alterations in perception, mood, consciousness, cognition, or behavior for the purposes of engendering ...]
      Synesthesia [the production of a sense impression relating to one sense or part of the body by stimulation of another sense or part of the body.]
      "I see the light I see the Light I see the light now I start again upon the road that never ends"
      Separation
      Simulacra [an image or representation of someone or something.]
      "Good Here There Evil"
      Isaac Asimov ~ [The Last Question]
      Remote Viewing
      Unbiased
      The Things You Do...
      Ensure
      For The Best Results
      "You are a thought worth thinking You’re the water and the wine - you’re the cup from which I’m drinking You’re a surprise worth hoping for You are a captured moment - you’re a space without a time"
      The Divine Darkness
      Is Like...
      A light breeze arriving and kissing my cheek at the same moment I am thinking “life is beautiful", is a message.
      The Taming of The Beast
      Conscious dreaming
      The Shadow
      Steps
      Underdetermination [the idea that evidence available to us at a given time may be insufficient to determine what beliefs we should hold in response to it]
      Exploring Fractal Paths
      The Completion Process
      Process
      Meditate/Think
      The "Wind Woman" of your dream experience
      Comparison
      Holographic Universe
      Matthew Twenty Two – Forty
      The Mind Behind Creation
      Commendably Recommendable

      William: Indeed...I have to agree with that assessment, based upon the evidence so far avaialable.

      GM: It is neither good nor evil
      It is just one of those things.
      Christian mythology re Satan
      Leave a Trail
      Effectively Curtailed
      "If you can find your way out of this - flee!!!"
      A Judgmental System
      The Brain
      Salient [most noticeable or important.]
      Collective Dynamics
      Selected from the invisible realm of the mind, and 'presto!"
      Love Takes One For The Team
      A mysterious question
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...77752#p1077752

      William: From the link;
      Sherlock: By that definition you cite, surely the presence of scientific laws must constitute a miracle?

      William: Why?

      My definition as it is, cites along the lines that there are no such things as miracles, but only such things as scientifically unexplained.

      Anything unexplained by science does not constitute a miracle, any more than the secrets of a magicians illusion constitutes a miracle.

      Theoretically, a magicians secrets re an illusion can ALL be explained through scientific method, even if the secret is difficult to uncover.

      The magician him/her self already knows the answer to the secret, and so in that sense, already knows the science behind the illusion, which is to say - there is always a scientific explanation to what appear to be 'miracles' and thus, there are really no such thing as miracles. There are only such things as unexplained/secrets which are - in the case of the magicians illusion - purposefully kept from the observers knowledge.
      GM: Farsightedness
      Ship
      Shine
      Cunning
      Lost
      10 Insights
      Open
      To what end exactly?
      Keep me in The Loop
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76206#p1076206

      William: From the link;
      Nobs: Or is there no god at all, and the bible is a hodgepodge of slapped together fairy tales but clueless people who wish to comminate and control the masses?

      William: Or - the god is dealing with misinformation regarding itself and allows for that misinformation to help gauge those using that system of belief as the only information they themselves gauge god with.

      To comminate and control the masses, is an indirect way in which to influence god for as long as allowed to do so.

      Perhaps there is something to the 'gauging' the god does in the way that god does so - a special something which identifies those who actually know god from those who know only misinformation about god.
      Perhaps the god seeks to see itself within all those being gauged...and the 'special something' is that thing it seeks, been found...

      But to suggest "there is no god at all", jumps to conclusions...
      GM: Under question
      Impermanent
      The Forerunner
      Devices of The Gods
      Rationality
      Adamant
      Spiritual Preparedness
      https://futurism.com/astrobiologists...Xv5yWsMOmGhBkY' [Astrobiologists Suggest the Earth Itself May Be an Intelligent Entity]
      The Torturous Treacherous Path
      The Internal Voice
      “If you're looking for something more in life, you're likely to find it in something less.”
      Spring
      Be transparent
      "The sculptor in the sky"
      Crazy Diamonds
      To assist with strengthening the connect

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      William: That reminds me of this ongoing discussion today...


      William: It would also be true to state that infinity cannot be started, begun?

      Tanager: I don't think so. {0, ...} is an infinite series that has a beginning.
      {0, ...} [when symbolized like that] does indeed represent a beginning.

      William: This would be expected of someone who believes Creatio ex nihilo to be true.

      However, in reality, {0} cannot be represented in that manner and called 'true' because we also know that it really represents a point - not a beginning - and thus should be symbolized as
      {...0 ...} in order to reflect creatio ex Deo

      No thing comes from nothing - everything which can be seen to have a beginning comes from something.

      ({0} does not represent 'no thing'.)

      It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something existed

      "Zero" does not actually represent "nothing" because "nothing" does not exist and so cannot be represented.

      Do the math.

      The simplest coding [Mandelbrot set] produces sets of beginnings and ends [boundaries], infinitely.

      It would thus be true to state that infinity cannot be started, begun...

      William: {0, ...} [when symbolized like that] does indeed represent a beginning.

      This would be expected of someone who believes Creatio ex nihilo to be true.
      That would also be expected of someone who doesn't believe Creatio ex nihilo to be true. Time has a beginning but will tick on forever.

      Time is just the stuff between beginning and end points. Time itself is a construct of the mind, rather than something which actually physically exists in this universe and this universe cannot be said in any absolute way to have had a beginning, and if it did not pop into existence [Creatio ex nihilo] then it must have gained any beginning it had, from something which existed prior to it beginning.

      The logical premise would then have to be that existence has always existed, in one form or another, infinitely.
      Time cannot 'tick on forever' because forever is timeless.
      SCLx18 + select last LE per shuffle
      Your Best Self - Intimate connection - https://forum.philosophynow.org/view...499880#p499880 - William's Job - All Things Are In Order - r = aeθ cot b [The formula for a logarithmic spiral using polar coordinates where. r is the distance from the origin (or "pole").] - Source Codes - A Teacher cannot LEARN for a Student. - What the seed holds - The Knowledge Of - Energies Renewed - I am on a Madventure - What Meets The Eye - Dynamic - Afterwards - As Crazy as evolution might seem, it is just the way the Cosmic Mind did it. - Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions

      William: Impressive. The Cosmic Mind.
      Is everything a construct of Mind?
      From the link;

      Tillingborn: If it wasn't aesthetic, what is it about His ethics, integrity and so on that you like?

      Immanuel: Meet Him, and see. Read about Him, and decide.

      If you like, take all the other moral leaders and great people you can think of along for the ride, so you can compare. Bring with you the raging and abusive Marx, the syphilitic and insane Nietzsche, the conquering Mohammed dragging his bloody sword across the centuries, the quietistic Buddha with his enlightened distain for existence, Arjuna with his great and slavering Destroyer of Worlds, bring your imperious Atheists of today, or anybody else you care to bring. Set them beside the Christ of the gospels. And do what I did: compare. Decide whom you will listen to.

      You'll see.

      William: Aye. There is more than comparing notes. There is also comparing experiences. You used the notes to form images in your head. "Oh sweet Jesus!" [said every beloved/besotted follower]

      They are images of gods and nothing more. All in the inner hallucination of your mindset.

      If you meet a real god, you might possibly pooh yourself.
      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      15:28

      GM: Superposition
      "Language itself is not the problem. but how we are taught to use language as a major means in which to self-identify incorrectly...thus we flitter and bounce or alternatively cling to the walls of our unwillingness to understand ourselves as we truly are... hiding from that knowledge behind facades of personality we clothe our awareness with..."
      Simulation
      "May The Spirit of The Earth Bless You"
      Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions
      Magicians!
      Far Out! Shucks! Explain!
      "Invite The Bee to Land"
      As an answer, "don't know' is incomplete...
      Psychology
      Smile at fear
      Random coincidence? I think not.
      The Art
      "What Is Normal?"
      The Real Spiritual
      Love Life
      The Butterfly Effect
      Divine
      Direction
      Consciousness Incarnates
      Taxonomic [concerned with the classification of things, especially organisms.]
      Eternal Loop
      The Inception Point
      Eye
      Conscience

      William: The inception point is like unto the beginning boundary points {0} or the source/pole of a spiral...

      GM: Do a QWERTY

      William: All Choice is An Act of Judgment? By all means, psychoanalyze the hell out of it - Conjecture necessarily precedes proof - Dream Come True - Especially - Fair Dinkum - Go Within and Find That Place - How does one recognize the devil? - It is what it is - Joyful - Known/Revealed - Laughter - Mind - Night - One is often left to ones own devices as to how to interpret - Please process this word using your Name2Nunumber list. - "Quiet Time"


      William: Quiet Time = 119, as do;
      Particular
      Foundation
      Phenomenon
      Appreciating
      Provincial
      No Barriers
      Write a Book
      Know This
      Graphic Changes
      Dream Views
      Falling asleep
      Lean into it
      The Brother
      Master Plan
      Radical acceptance
      "Hear oh Israel"

      GM: Radical compassion - Simple interactions between elementary particles - Those internal things which make one shine - Universe of Wholeness - We Are All Becoming One - Expression of Appreciation of Experience - You are neutral - Zero In On It

      William: {...0...}

      GM: Let The Day In
      Like With
      Sclerotic [becoming rigid and unresponsive; losing the ability to adapt.]
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80964#p1080964

      William: From the link;
      William: I say re YHVH - maybe the Character is imaginary, maybe not. I have seen no particular evidence either way and therefore answer questions to do with YHWH, along those lines.

      Indeed, if the stories of YHWH were fictional - or loosely based upon an actual person - possible questions and answers can still be given, conclusions drawn and opinions offered.
      GM: Evidence We Actively Collect
      Somewhere
      Consensual
      Honesty
      Sharing Data
      "Act like an airplane and adjust approach"
      The beauty of imperfection
      Veil
      Chamber Twenty Three

      Logophile [lover of words.]
      "How about that!"
      The Symbol of Love
      The Individual Human Mind
      The One GOD With Many Names
      Earth
      Bread Sandwich
      Efficacious [successful in producing a desired or intended result; effective.]
      Calling the shots
      Technique of Exchange
      Three-dimensional
      https://www.dreamviews.com/science-m...ml#post2245935

      William: From the link;
      Ouroboros
      Conjunction
      Eggs In Nests
      Metaphysics
      The Mother God
      Secret Root
      A Round Stone


      GM: Because the imagery is based in the genuine, in that The Ghost is acknowledged - dressing The Ghost through the use of imagery is an attempt to make The Ghost be seen.
      The Solar System
      "Nasty
      Spiritual Connection"
      "Life is scary then you die of it..." is that really living?
      Z2+C

      The Demiurge
      Rulers
      Data
      The Nature of This Place
      Idiosyncratic
      Invention isn't actually what is going on though. Realization is what is occurring.
      Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle
      Algorithm
      Conspiracy Emotions.
      Stay in the moment
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pup3s86oJXU – “spacetime doesn’t really exist” [15:00]
      Brow Chakra
      The outward expression of an inward reality.
      Be
      "Jesus Christ Big"
      Condescending Ideas About Imagination
      "Artificial Intelligence"
      Parity
      "Intelligence With Wisdom"
      As well as that pot of gold...
      Adaptive Actions
      "All systems go"
      Save That
      Calculator
      Compass of Divine Insight
      "The existence of forming matter clearly does not require validating. What requires validating is the theory that the formations taking place are truly random mindless events."
      Missing
      Hypothesis
      Independence
      Computer
      r = aeθ cot b
      "You’ve been a rock - For so long now I can’t even count the years that you’ve been rolling Nothing can shock or bring you down There ain’t nothing you haven’t seen - Nothing you haven’t known"

      William: Words to a song I wrote about Mother Earth Entity.

      GM: Open Hearted
      Everything Fits Into Place.
      The Factor of Integrity and Alignment
      Divine grace
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...69739#p1069739


      William: From the link;
      Dr. Neruda: The finite 70-year life of a human being lacks patience. It is programmed to be impatient. This is against infinite beings that see timelines in hundreds of thousands of years and can program individual human beings within those timelines to achieve precisely what they want—if human beings agree to it, if they don’t stand up.
      “The Anunnaki do not embrace the Sovereign Integral process. The notion of oneness and equality seems like a weakness to them. They believe they have the upper hand in this chess match. They foresee checkmate. Humans will fold. The sacrifice of Princess Diana last August was symbolic of the vibrant queen being lost on the chessboard. Those are the kind of messages they make, the kind of bold announcements. They do this out of a feeling of certainty in their programming and patience.
      “When I say programming, I don’t mean just the internal interface that Marduk has programmed, but also the programming of the unconscious mind through the media, culture, religion, politics and economic structure. The combination of these forces is really the cause of their confidence, because they see our fall as an inevitability.
      GM: The Imagination
      Long Time Gone
      You are the universe
      Safe Harbour
      It May Seem Insignificant
      The Gaia Hypothesis
      Transparency
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80197#p1080197

      William: From the link;
      TRANSPONDER: One of the first lessons that recruits into the Atheist Infiltration Squad go through in their combat training is to overcome Fear of Woo.
      William: This comes across as fear-based - even with the addition of the warrior.

      Give all things a fair hearing. Disclosure of knowledge...Let yourself be taught

      Exhibit your innermost core
      Panpsychist Science Can Be Fun Too
      Sharing is part of that process
      Pattern Recognition System
      The Atheist Infiltration Squad

      Even naming something in a derogatory fashion is symptomatic of fear.

      One can take that thing meant to be derogatory and mold it into something far more useful.

      Windows Of Opportunity.

      ['Tis specifically why theism is more interesting than non-theism.]
      GM: Gentle
      Friable [easily crumbled.]
      Healing The Beast
      "At what point in the examination of the evidence can we take 'dumb luck' off the table of explanation?"
      Real Beauty
      International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - [Split Thread] Randomly Generated Messages
      Vehicle
      Elucidate [make (something) clear; explain.]

      15:47

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      Cryphius: As some people have pointed out, Lucifer's association to Satan or a fallen angel is sketchy. It seems to have happened somewhere in Medieval folklore. I'm not an expert on Christian history and not sure exactly how it happened.

      But most people I have seen who honor Lucifer do associate him with the intellectual side of Satanism. Specifically, there's the old Gnostic belief that the Serpent in the Garden of Eden was not the enemy of mankind but the liberator of mankind. In this configuration, YHWH is a false god who imprisons humanity in ignorance. The serpent is a messenger from Holy Wisdom, a higher deity. The serpent bids Eve to eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge, thereby liberating her from YHWH's imposed ignorance.

      From there it's easy to draw parallels to other figures in mythology and folklore who try to help humanity with knowledge and are often punished for it by a cruel god that wants to keep them in ignorance (Prometheus and his punishment from Zeus being probably the best known instance in Occidental mythology).

      I personally see Lucifer as an archetype. Whereas most Satanists seem to concentrate on the material and carnal aspects of Satanism or the rebellious aspects, to me Lucifer focuses on the intellectual aspects.
      ________________

      130622
      Fearlessness neutralizes fear

      SCLx7 + select last LE per shuffle
      Shining light - F2 - July Nineteen Fifty Two Washington DC - Comprehend - Test The Waters - We experience fear in order to give us the opportunity to overcome that which triggers the fear - Television

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP= The Fog Is Lifting Water The Garden

      William: The deranged can come about...become arranged.

      8:02

      GM: Thoughts
      This is how The Mind works...
      Point of Contact
      Pot of Gold
      The Setting
      Mindfulness
      r = aeθ cot b [The formula for a logarithmic spiral using polar coordinates where. r is the distance from the origin (or "pole").]
      Strange
      Television

      William: reminds me of this...


      GM: The Fog Is Lifting
      Muon [an elementary particle similar to the electron, with an electric charge of −1 e and a spin of 1⁄2, but with a much greater mass.]
      Who Knows
      Universal Objectives?
      The Significance
      Potential of Milieu [Milieu - a person's social environment. ]
      Attention to Detail
      Milky Way Mother
      Mothership
      Bread Sandwich
      Finding the light
      Zen
      Sometimes Pain Etches...
      Hot
      Now
      "Q: How to effectively deal with anger...not by ignoring it, but through understanding it and developing means by which it - as an externalized emotional-based energy - can be transformed into something more appropriate to the situation we find ourselves lost within."
      A: "Seeing With The Eyes of Innocence"
      The discovering of what makes the Realm of Humanity "tick"
      Water The Garden
      Desperation
      "Quite"
      The Main Points on the Agenda
      1: Who Knows What That Is Worth?
      2: Once Upon a Time
      3: Pervasive
      (...but would be smiling as I did so…)
      Karma
      Oneirology [the scientific study of dreams]
      Illuminate
      "Make It Up As You Go Along"
      Addiction
      Dequeue [remove (an item of data awaiting processing) from a queue of such items.]
      Personal Integrity
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...75865#p1075865

      William: From the link;

      William: What otseng provided in the words of the image you provided, is a fort in which Christians do not have to be harassed by those who are tasked with questioning the bible.
      The bible is simply referred to as something "not having to prove itself true, in this setting."

      As to the shenanigans of in-house sword-play, this is all the fort provides. Simply a place where the Christian Soldiers of the denominational barracks have in which to air their particular 'interpretations' of a thing they believe is beyond question.

      Of course, none of the interpretations can be proven as true, and can be challenged up to the point where those being challenged make protest that 'the truth' is being questioned in an environment designed to enable that not to happen. They conflate 'The Truth" of the bible, with "Their interpretation" of the bible.

      One could even be sad about such shenanigans until one realizes the futility of feeling sorry for those who hide from truth by declaring something to be true which has never been proven true.

      Their destinies await them, be these rewards in heaven, or inheriting the game play on Earth.

      Forever marooned upon an Island in the midst of an ocean they will never be permitted to have access to....while remaining blissfully unaware of the true nature of their internment and praising YHWH for their good fortune.
      GM: Ideals
      Ill
      Inflame Emotions
      The Knowledge Of
      Crop Circles
      "Memes"
      (Exciting Changes Would Develop Naturally Enough From That)
      https://www.behindthelabel.co.uk/

      {LINK}

      William: From the link;
      I ended the last century in a psychiatric hospital, diagnosed with schizophrenia and with little hope for recovery.

      Seen as a ‘revolving door patient’ with a severe and enduring mental illness, I lived my label – not my life. I bought into the idea that schizophrenia (and the many other illnesses I was labelled with) were life-long mental illnesses. I accepted that the best I could hope for was to manage my symptoms with life-long psychiatric medication.

      Life, I’m glad to say, doesn’t always turn out the way you think.
      GM: Spiritual Preparedness
      Be
      “Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.”
      https://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dr...ml#post2246390

      William: From the link;
      William: I have had similar experience re hypnogogic state ...

      Hearing footfalls on wooden floor {I was sleeping in a bunk in a building and was the only occupant at the time]
      The footfalls stop outside my door - which was open and then I hear a deep laugh.
      I snapped out of it [awoke] and immediately jumped out of bed and went to the doorway - no one was there [of course]

      Some time later - months or even a year of two - I was at home in bed with my wife when I awoke to the same laugh and looking up I saw the entity at the end of the bed.

      My reaction was layered - It was as if my body wanted to climb the walls looking to escape but my mind was clear and focused and I was aware that this part of me was way less afraid. I had the feeling that the entity was pure evil.

      However, while I was directing my anger at the entity, he moved toward my side of the bed - his arms were crossed over his chest area - and as he got closer [he seemed to float rather than walk] he extended his arm out in the process of going to touch me.

      We were looking each other in the eye - and it was at this moment that I somehow just knew that the entity loved me more than I had ever felt anyone love me - and knew me better than I knew myself and the love was purely unconditional


      As with all my hypnogogic experiences, these began with the feeling of being forcibly held down - and when the entity began to reach his arm out to touch me, my anger assisted me in breaking the hold and I sat up and put my face directly in front of his and demanded he leave - and at that moment, I awoke and the entity was gone [or more likely - I could no longer see him.]

      The whole incident took less than a minute.

      The very next night, I [again in hypnogogic state] felt my wrists being taken hold of by a pair of invisible hands and I was lifted from a prone position to an upright one and when upright, I felt my arms being pushed over my chest in the same manner I had observed the entities arms crossed over his chest, the night before.

      Once my arms were crossed, I felt the invisible hands let go of my wrists and it was then that I realized I was not in my body - this was my first conscious OOBE. It felt wonderful....
      GM: Embarrass
      Jehovah
      Enchanted
      Platonic Solids

      Vulnerability
      "Love is insidious to hate"
      F4

      William:
      6) In depth: Focus 4
      The Next step inwards is Focus 4 of consciousness. Once you have finished your physical world experience and have spent some time in F3 adjusting back to subjective reality again, you will at some point be ready to switch back to Primary Focus 4. F4 is where things really start getting interesting!

      Once we engage with Focus 4, we become our 'Wider Selves'. I don't like using the term 'higher self' as you have no higher or lower self. You are you; it's just that you have focused your attention from your F4 perspective to a narrow F1 perspective for the purpose of experiencing the physical world. When you engage F4, you are engaging your full perspective once again.
      Those whose Primary Focus is F4 have no form at all. They exist as energy essences, or what we might call a point of consciousness. I can't really tell you how many people are resident in F4, but it is certainly a huge number in human terms. I’m not sure how many people will remember the kids TV sci-fi series of about 30 years ago, or so. It was called Captain Scarlet and you had what were known as the Voice of the Mysterons. They were these mysterious beings that would talk to you out of nowhere. Well, that’s a bit like how it is communicating with people who live within Focus 4.

      So what's Focus 4 like? Well, you need to realise that F4 is nothing like F1, F2 or F3. It's unique. You phase into what feels like a huge interconnecting communications network. In a way it’s like plugging your computer into the Internet. But you are plugging your mind into an infinite network of other minds. There is, of course, a LOT more to it than that. But in a nutshell that’s the simplest explanation I can come up with. While it is an exciting thing to do, I have to mention that it is not for the feint of heart, or for anyone who is not totally grounded in themselves mentally.

      The “problem” you might say, is you can get to feeling like you have “lost your own mind”.
      Thing is, we get so used to having only ourselves in mind. And communicating in this area is fully mind-to-mind. So what you do is merge your mind with another mind or minds (now multiple merging is really freaky, lol) and you communicate via thoughts, imagery, feelings, and so forth, in ways that are appropriate for the subject matter you are communicating about.

      In a sense, though, it feels like someone is “invading” your mind, and the more egotistical parts of you may battle against it. With me it took about a hundred attempts before I became comfortable with the process.

      The Graduates that Monroe talks about in his work about must surely be people who have adopted Focus 4 of consciousness as their Primary Focus. I can see no other explanation. I am also convinced that Monroe touched on Focus 4 quite a number of times during his experiences but for some reason the penny didn’t quite drop with him. With me, it was my frustration in my attempts to go “beyond” F27 of his model that led me into the discovering of Focus 4 of consciousness. Not that I actually saw it as Focus 4 at that time. The label came later. But it was obvious that the area was a completely different area to the Transition Area of focuses 23 through 27 of the Monroe model.

      As I have said, there are many, many people resident within Focus 4. Pure energy essences you might call them, that you can tap into. These people are quite knowledgeable and do come across as kind of “god-like” you could say. But that’s only because they are subjective energy essences that exist primarily as a point of consciousness, so to speak. When we each (for want of a better word) “complete” our current movement through consciousness, or as Monroe was saying “graduate”, we too will reside within Focus 4 solely as an energy essence, or a point of consciousness. This is simply part and parcel of adopting Focus 4 as your Primary Focus, instead of Focus 1 or Focus 3. But I guess people in the past have just misunderstood what’s what.
      If I had come across Focus 4 before Freda and Harath (my guides) had given me a detailed briefing of what to expect, then even I could well have mistaken my interactions as some kind of communication with divine being(s). Because that’s precisely the way they come across. They radiate a kind of energy that tends to turn you to emotional jelly. But they are not “gods” as such. The energy they radiate is merely a product of adopting Focus 4 as your primary focus. If any of us chose to do the same, we would radiate the same energetic signature. Well, that is what I am told. I won’t actually know until I try it myself, of course.

      I should point out here that I have also discovered people in the Wider Reality who have adopted a kind of 'semi-F4' state; people in this state are kind of half in F4 and half out of it, so to speak. They can also come across as kind of 'god-like' if you come into contact them without knowing what's going on. Again, it's due to the energy signature.

      The strange thing is, we actually are now resident as a point of consciousness within Focus 4. We have not in any way “left” Focus 4. What we have done is to adopt a different Primary Focus for the purposes of our experience. You can imagine it as one continuum of consciousness that extends, like a telephoto lens, if you like, from Focus 4 through to Focus 1. What we objectively view as “death” in subjective energy terms is an objective translation of the action of a person shifting their Primary Focus from Focus 1 to Focus 3. After your life within Focus 3 you, in a manner of speaking, die again, when you shift your Primary Focus from Focus 3 to Focus 4. And that completes your cycle, you could say.

      Note: I have to be wary of using terms such as beginning or end, because when you are speaking within the context of Focus 4 these terms simply don’t exist. From the point of view of Focus 4, your life here is a movement that you initiate in consciousness for the purposes of your experience.

      How Focus 4 fits in with the rest of our system:
      As I have said before, we in our F4 states decided to create this physical universe (and lots of others besides), all for the purpose of allowing us varied opportunities for new experiences. When it comes to setting up a physical world system like our physical universe, certain “supply lines” and “structures” have to be put into place. Each physical world system has 3 basic areas of consciousness that ultimately “connect” to Focus 4. So the “main” area or ultimate creative source, is Focus 4. This area is common to all the physical worlds that are “connected” to it. Focus 4 is what you might call an “umbrella” area, and the other 3 areas of each physical world within our system are “nested” within that overall umbrella.

      So say you had Focus 4 and 100 physical-world realities. Note: there are actually an infinite number of other physical-world realities within our whole system. But here let us say there are just 100.

      Each physical reality has a Focus 1, obviously, because physical reality is Focus 1. So there are 100 Focus 1’s, together with 100 Focus 2’s and 100 Focus 3’s. Each of these areas is nested within one Focus 4.

      The best way of thinking of Focus 4 in my opinion, is to think of it as the ultimate creative source of all that exists within our entire system. In other words, all the original plans, archetypes, models, etc., etc. of all the physical realities “connected” to Focus 4, are held within this area.
      Focus 3 is a Transition Area that is reserved for people “returning” from their physical experience. People generally have to go through a period of shaking off all the belief constructs they brought into objective reality during their physical experience, to enable them to merge fully with the subjective reality of F4 again, at which point they can decide what to experience next. Focus 3 also has sections that serve as what could be termed areas of our “collective unconscious” but for our purposes, thinking of it as a Transition Area will suffice.

      The original archetypes held in Focus 4, that are to do with all the potential states and probabilities possible within our particular physical dimension, are “downloaded” into Focus 2. What people then do is pick and choose whatever actions they fancy and “play” with them within their area of Focus 2.

      Essentially, the action of doing this creates a pool of individual probabilities within Focus 2, and each person in question decides which of these probabilities to bring into objective reality, i.e. bring into Focus 1.

      In other words, each individual creates their reality subjectively within Focus 2, and then they “insert” it into Focus 1 on an ongoing basis.

      Please note: not all physical realities are built on the same basis. Not all physical realities, for example, incorporate emotions like we do. So the potential states and probabilities possible for other physical dimensions will naturally vary. Therefore, each physical reality will have a correspondingly different set of potential states and probabilities “downloaded” into their Focus 2 area. But the ultimate source for all these potential states and probabilities is Focus 4.

      The 4 areas of consciousness are NOT distinctly separate. They are intertwined immeasurably, and each area is associated with particular actions, explorations, and/or movements in consciousness; while being fully connected to, and interacting with, each of the other areas.
      Above all, I would say that there are two humongous challenges in thinking associated with Focus 4 of consciousness, as follows:

      1) It is an area of purely subjective reality. So nothing actually exists as an objective observable form. To feel your whole sense of 'body' totally disintegrate is not something you forget in a hurry. This is why I do not recommend beginners attempt Phasing to focus 4. There are no 'dangers' don’t get me wrong. But the effects are mind blowing and I do not say this lightly. Seeing my whole physical life as a *concept* changed my outlook on life significantly overnight. The notion of *concepts* is one that you will have to fully grasp in order to make headway in F4.

      In F4, everything is to do with subjective concepts and F4 is the source of all concepts that eventually manifest in objective reality. You can decide to merge with the underlying subjective energy that forms the concept of anything you care to think of and experience being that thing, or more correctly, the concept of that thing. You can experience being the concept of a flower, a rock, a cloud, an ant, or a human being. For the really adventurous, you can also experience more abstract concepts, like being a sound (this is fun!), or a day of the week - that's right, you can experience the concept of 'Tuesday'! There is no end of concepts that you can engage with - I told you it was freaky!

      2) It is an area of simultaneous time, as opposed to linear time that we experience within this physical reality. So everything that is about to happen, has happened and is happening, is all happening at once within the same moment (within infinity everything happens an infinite number of times). This means of course that there is no death, no beginning or ending: everything just IS. However at the same time, there is ever-expanding consciousness. Hey, it's hard to get your head around, but who said infinite reality and the prospect of ever expanding consciousness would be easy! It's all part of the fun!

      Ultimately, sampling F4 consciousness can be a very rewarding experience when you get it right. Because then all your Wider Self is laid open for you and you can revel in the excitement and the enjoyment of it all. Stand transfixed by the sheer awesomeness of it all. Find out who you truly are. Know there is no death. Know that life is just one continuous cycle of knowing that has always been. Know that there is only ever-expanding consciousness. Engage the concept of Infinity. Become that concept within Focus 4 and you will never be the same person again. Imagine the sheer ecstasy of a million orgasms all happening at once. Those are the kind of sensations Focus 4 gives you, and that’s just scratching the surface!
      ~Frank Kepple Resource
      GM: Coming closer to ourselves
      'Lack of empathy'
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...69680#p1069680

      William: From the link;
      Productive - Hot - Recommendable - Active Dreaming - Angels - Equals - Make It Real - Points of Reference - The problem , as I understand it , is in how humans general think about ‘God’ and project their own sense of self into the model they each come to accept as the real thing.
      GM: Earth teachers (physical) discover the way to the Grand Portal via the Tributary Zones
      Get The Gist Of It
      "Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from?"
      "Is OOBE like 'coming up for air'"
      (“What separates privilege from entitlement is gratitude.”)
      A programmed reality that is not real
      Okay - facts are great.
      Yahweh
      Antic
      "Humans are humans and there is a history of violent furious reaction to the situation we are in. Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment."
      Yes - I Hear You
      (Not by flinging woo at it.)
      Dream Guides
      "Opinion is that which has yet to be established as a matter of fact"
      If memory serves me well
      Mother Wound
      Conscious agencies combined
      Collective Soul
      "Motor Man why your running, running on overdrive what lies ahead is coming ain’t no way you can step aside ain’t no way you can run and hide"
      Imposed Appropriates
      Researching
      (Contact With)
      Incarnation
      "Hellish"
      Understand few reach self awareness
      Radiant
      Future Self
      Shadow
      Augment [make (something) greater by adding to it; increase.]
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzhlfbWBuQ8
      "Information"
      True Self
      The Sensation Is Thrilling...And Freeing
      Got The Picture
      "Belief"
      In The Flow
      The Never Ending Story
      Incorporate
      "Odd"
      The Story Continues - The Flow Is On
      Sins
      Mantra
      "Non-Ordinary"
      Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.
      Imperishable
      Another
      To Add to That
      "Inside the workings of intelligence
      Inter-Dependent"
      Astigmatism [a defect in the eye or in a lens caused by a deviation from spherical curvature, which results in distorted images, as light rays are prevented from meeting at a common focus.]
      "...it is part of the recipe of a full authentic human experience..."
      Brow Chakra
      "Action Station"
      Childhood Nightmares
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...hp?f=7&t=33704

      William: From the link;


      GM: "Just For Giggles"

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      Timothy: Jesus is recorded quoting from the Hebrew Scriptures, "“It is written: ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from Jehovah’s mouth.’” That would include the Hebrew Scriptures as well as Greek Scriptures.

      William: Is every word which comes from YHWH's 'mouth' contained in scripture?

      Crickets: *Chirping*
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      William: I think Christians have placed so much importance upon the bible - even going to the extent of referring to it as 'the word of God" and justifying this belief by citing Jesus citing someone else who wrote "Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the 'mouth of God'" yet clearly, citing something from a scroll is not saying that the scroll itself is this 'every word of God'.
      This is why I asked the question, because - clearly it cannot be the case that any book or even any library of books or indeed, all the libraries of books could contain "every word which comes from YHWH's 'mouth'" as this would imply that YHWH spoke all - folk somehow heard this and recorded it in what Christians refer to as their bible - ["The Word of God"] and has been mute ever since.
      As grandiose as the claim is, it is still unsubstantiated religious balderdash and can be discarded as something having any relevance to truth.

      To underpin that observation, if we take the Hebrew account of creation, we are informed that YHWH said 'let there be' - recorded as a type of shorthand by an author who does not seem to be privy to the details we now have because of scientific study into what is.

      For example, [let there be] "Light".

      In basic terms, "light" is that which allows us to see what darkness might hide from our awareness yet we know in todays age, so much more about the properties of light and if we are to presume that the one who created light knows everything to do with light, then we also know that to 'speak' that into existence would involve complexities beyond the simplicity of invoking light an 'hey presto' there it is!

      So, since the bible does not tell us the complexities we can be sure that the bible does not contain every word ever spoken by YHWH, and that this belief is the result of folk wanting their holy book to be regarded as something far more than it actually - truthfully - is.

      Words YHWH might speak, therefore, can be found elsewhere. Even in the very quintessence of the individual.
      Even in the formation of these Generated Messages
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      It is just one of those things.
      Systematically suppressed

      SCLx11 + select last LE per shuffle
      Mothers Milk - Leg Hold Traps - Becoming whole - Science & Spirituality - The Never Ending Story - https://news.berkeley.edu/2017/06/13...born-in-pairs/ - Entities of Particular Belief Systems - Chaos Really Is Illusion - Handing out sweets... - Couldn’t we do something about it... - The Smallest Spark

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP= The Ruru flies close over your head - Dysfunctional [not operating normally or properly. unable to deal adequately with normal social relations.]

      William: "Intelligence recognises patterns – watch your step" [Approaching the Divine.]

      7:02

      GM: I Spy With My Eye
      The Spirit of The Planet
      Given
      Be here now
      International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - The Seed of Origin

      William: From the link;
      Sceptic Agent: Again, there is nothing magical. All the steps to get from a very small object close to "time zero" to now are demonstrated to various degrees.

      William: Have scientists shown it to be true that one can condense great amounts of matter into a small thing and then release that matter and watch it return to what it was before being condensed?

      Because that is the theory we are expected to believe is true.

      Demonstrating to "various degrees" does not a truth make.

      Sceptic Agent: You're just here to keep repeating the lie that it is magical.

      William: How can it be I am lying, when obviously the 'explanation' itself has all the ingredients of the magical expounded as some 'most likely' theory?
      Your accusation is akin to my pointing out that a magician isn't using real magic only to be told by the magician that I am lying because it IS real magic.

      But we know through experience that a magicians tricks simply appear to be magical because we don't know how it was done.

      Since the same applies to the theory of a mystical object - just because we do not know how it was done, shouldn't give us reason to exclaim magic.

      Sceptic Agent: And I doubt you can come up with an alternate explanation that actually explains things.

      William: I already have done - it is simply a matter of explaining things without invoking any magical elements to such theory.

      It cannot be the case that something so tiny as to almost not exist itself, has the capabilities to produce the universe, because that is magical thinking.
      Therefore it must have to be that space existed in an undisturbed state, and something profoundly immense happened which caused a disturbance and subsequent formation of objects.

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...403205#p403205
      Illuminating
      To Be Continued...
      William: From the link;
      TGA: Actually there is no cognitive dissonance. Since I am convinced that even if there is a creator deity, it has nothing to do with religion, there is not much at stake. It is something to muse about from time to time. But there is no practical consequence.

      One additional reason I prefer the label agnostic to atheist is that there are certain atheists, not many but some, who like to think that there are only two sides to everything - fundamentalist religiosity or militant anti-religion. Not so far as I can see on this site, but it is definitely the case in some other places.

      The "Five Proofs" of Aquinas for the existence of God did not lead to the Christian God. That part was to be taken on faith in divinely revealed knowledge, not reason. But from what we know today of the universe, rational non-faith arguments in favor of God lead away from the Christian God. Again, why I think religious and non-religious is a more useful division.
      GM: One is not wrong
      Shadow Volunteer
      Fanciful
      Dream Guides
      Faster Than Light
      Charge
      Outposts of Form
      Altruistic Behaviour
      The Smallest Spark
      The Ruru flies close over your head
      I Will
      Not a Problem!
      "No thought about fate or of ending up late Yet I still like to think where I'm going"
      Learn how to deactivate all internal triggers...
      Measure
      "I Think We Can Safely Say
      I Suppose That It Is Possible"
      Authenticity
      Astral Guides
      Significance
      Group/Family
      Look Closely
      New Shifts In Thinking
      "Get out of the way"
      A very useful fiction
      Believing in fearful imagery
      Gods Gift
      Odd
      The Deeper Reality
      "What I like about it, is that it gives one more scope in which to work within..."
      Regarding
      Tug Of War
      Active Dreaming
      16-20-12-09-03-11-08
      Everything is The Expression Of The Creator
      "From the perspective of an evolving God-Mind, what was once acceptable behavior becomes unacceptable, signifying change."
      Google
      "Observing Without Judgement"

      William: “The ability to observe without evaluating is the highest form of intelligence” – Indian philosopher Jiddu Krishnamurti.
      and
      Q: What does it mean to observe without Judgement?

      A: Become the observer of your judgements. Notice when you are judging yourself and others. Notice things without making a judgement of those things. Notice people without making a judgment of them.

      GM: Beyond Focus 4


      William:
      7) Beyond Focus 4: Other systems
      I have been asked several times if there is anything 'beyond' Focus 4. The answer is, to my knowledge, within our particular system there are just 4 Primary areas. But consciousness doesn't end there. Consciousness is infinite. There may well be an infinite number of other systems either like ours or perhaps wildly different. Nobody to my knowledge knows anything about these potential other systems.

      Monroe talks of 'Focus 34/35', but as I have said earlier, I believe that Monroe was experiencing something else. I believe his F35 experiences were actually relating to areas of our Wider Physical, where alternate physical dimensions (within our F1 to F4 system) seem to converge. Ha ha, no wonder I couldn't find it!

      The interesting aspect about these other physical worlds within our system and the weird thing about them, is that they all occupy the same physical space. The actual characteristics of the different physical dimensions within our system can be wildly different but they all have this one thing in common, in that they occupy the same space. Anyhow, what 'separates' them, if you like, are these Trans-Dimensional areas in consciousness that allows each physical universe to overlay on one another.

      Now, I have it on good authority that it IS possible to 'travel' between Trans-Dimensional areas; when I say travel I mean actual physical travel. It is also possible to do this non-physically as well, so I am told. So my theory is that these UFO sightings might in fact be a kind of 'bleed through' from another Trans-Dimensional area: an area that has people living within it who have already learned how to design some kind of craft with the ability to travel between physical dimensions.

      Anyway, back to the potential for other systems outside of our own F1 to F4 model:
      From reading Monroe's later work, I wonder where the heck he was sometimes. He was way out, but not in Focus 4 terms. There was something else. Seriously, I reckon he was about to attempt to step into *another* system of consciousness from Focus 3: entering into an 'Extra-Dimensional' state that is outside of our F1 to F4 system completely: that is what I have been trying to study for ages, the possibility of these Extra-Dimensional areas. I reckon that is why his physical was put at risk. Okay, I’m guessing now, I admit, but I am going to completely retrace his footsteps in the future.

      If he were trying to enter another dimension totally, i.e. another system, then that is just incredible. That is not Focus 3, 4 or 5, that is just completely into the unknown...and I mean total unknown. Unless he was attempting to enter Focus 4 while holding a complete objective knowing of that fact. That would just be crazy. You’d just be short-circuiting every subjective energy circuit that ever was. I doubt anyone could have the objective will to do that; just too many natural laws against you.

      I just wonder what on earth he found and what secrets there are still to be unlocked from Monroe. I’m going to begin again from page one and work through it until that final piece of the jigsaw falls into place. ~Frank Kepple Resource
      ________________________________________
      GM: It is a hard place for flesh to dwell.
      Builder:
      "Well Its A Start"
      Metamorphosis
      From Prison To Paradise
      It appears to come from a desperate place - like with the clutching of straws.
      "Tonight the stars shine as I step out of time As I step into the great unknown"
      "Yes We Can"
      Remember who you are
      Source Codes
      The Third Eye
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...69739#p1069739

      William: From the link;
      Neruda Interview Five
      Fearlessness
      It is just one of those things.
      Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of
      Hint
      Intelligent
      A Clean Channel
      When Done Say "Done"
      William: This link came up yesterday as well...where Dr. Neruda is speaking to Sarah;
      Dr. Neruda: “Whatever it is, it’s important to know what’s behind the deception… to look with sober eyes on the truth. It may not be a beautiful picture to be sure, but how else do you realize your own truth until you know the truth of the big picture? So, however screwed up it seems, it is an inception point for the individual to redefine themselves.
      “Would you rather stay in the illusion of a soul in a human body that will be saved by God and ascend into heaven and hang out with angels who strum harps? That whole idea is repulsive once you know this. That picture is based on separation and selfishness and lack of empathy and understanding. Or, you can simply say it’s all a big illusion, including the notion that we are infinite beings, and that when you die, you’re done.
      “The part of this new picture that is promising is that we exist infinitely despite the fact that we have been suppressed and enslaved. We also can play a role in supporting this redefinition of the human being through our thoughts and behaviors. And, maybe most importantly, we have the WingMakers—our future selves—providing us with evidence that I AM WE ARE prevailed.
      GM: Mutual Dutiful Expression
      Thinking Allowed
      Thoughts
      Self-compassion
      Use Heart
      Vortex
      Friendship is an agreement between individuals to support one another in any way they can, for mutually beneficial results.
      Map Carvers
      Equal System
      What Do You Like About It?
      The rich world of conscious experience
      Okay Afterwards
      Fires
      You Are Nobodies Victim - Ever.
      A cultural touchstone
      Christendom:
      "Well That Settles It"
      "Make"
      Is a Constant
      Working with the simulation
      Experiences.
      Plan
      Yep - That's What I'm Talking About...
      Gratitude
      Choose What to Pay Attention To
      We Exist Infinitely
      "Tell me what you’re ganna do tell me where you’re ganna go tell me what you’re going through or do you even want to know?"
      ...Like being pushed out from a stinky hole, can have one develop a bad self-complex...
      Without Judgement
      The Generated Messages
      In Out and All About
      "A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"
      The Roles
      Connections
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPpr0qyw0nc
      Golden nugget
      Pineal Gland
      Cats Whiskers.
      Secure
      Look inward
      Evolutionary Game Theory
      Coherence
      Blend
      Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.]
      Optimum Health Appreciating
      Access
      Point of Contact
      It is obviously in line with providence...
      Entity
      "It is a tough ask"
      "That's the way I fire up"

      Earth teachers (physical) discover the way to the Grand Portal via the Tributary Zones
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...68076#p1068076

      William: From the link;
      William: What I am learning from this MGSystem is that "it" is not about me or you but about allowing for opportunity for any otherwise intelligent consciousnesses to impute their intelligence into the mix.

      Re non-theists who are opposed to the idea of their being an overall mind behind [invisible/not easy to detect in] our visible Universe - I would say that they do themselves a disservice in resisting contact with said mind.
      GM: What Is The Point?
      "Such reduces the opportunity of conflict re interrelation opinions. "
      I am not here to judge but to help
      Personal growth
      Equals
      "Annoy
      Audience"
      Contemplation
      On and off
      Gift
      No Doubt about It
      'If only' it wasn't in the too hard basket....which fortunately it actually isn't.
      Radiant
      Minor Arcana [9 of Wands]

      William: 9 of wands tarot meaning;
      Resilience, courage, persistence, test of faith, boundaries
      The Nine of Wands shows an injured man, clutching a wand. He looks over his shoulder towards the eight wands that loom over him. He seems weary and worn, as though he has already been through a battle and now must face additional challenges with the presence of these eight wands. As a Nine, though, this is his final challenge before reaching his goal; he must endure this last test of his strength and character before reaching the finish line.

      GM: The Overlords [Childhoods End]

      William:
      Earth and the Overlords
      In the late 20th century, the United States and the Soviet Union are competing to launch the first spacecraft into orbit, for military purposes. When vast alien spaceships suddenly position themselves above Earth's principal cities, the space race ceases. After one week, the aliens announce they are assuming supervision of international affairs, to prevent humanity's extinction.

      They become known as the Overlords. In general, they let humans go on conducting their affairs in their own way. They overtly interfere only twice: in South Africa, where, some time before their arrival, apartheid has collapsed and been replaced with aggressive persecution of the white minority; and in Spain, where they put an end to bull fighting. Some humans are suspicious of the Overlords' benign intent, as they never visibly appear. The Overlord Karellen, the "Supervisor for Earth," who speaks directly (behind a one-way glass viewscreen) only to Rikki Stormgren, the Secretary-General of the United Nations, tells Stormgren that the Overlords will reveal themselves in 50 years, when humanity will have become used to their presence.

      Stormgren smuggles a device onto Karellen's ship in an attempt to see Karellen's true form. He partially succeeds, is shocked by what he sees, and chooses to keep silent. Five decades after their arrival, the Overlords finally reveal their appearance: large bipeds that resemble the traditional Christian folk images of demons, with cloven hooves, leathery wings, horns, and barbed tails.
      GM: Sovereignty
      “It's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years”
      Reflection
      Soul Groups
      Wish
      "Every Conceivable Detail
      Mindful
      Universal Intelligence"
      Duality.
      "Have A Look At This And See What You Come Up With"
      (We Can Do Magic!)
      Science and Spirituality
      Etymology [the history of a word or phrase shown by tracing its development and relationships
      Common Ground
      Sola Scriptura [by scripture alone, is a Christian theological doctrine held by most Protestant Christian denominations, in particular the Lutheran and Reformed traditions of Protestantism, that posits the Bible as the sole infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practice.]
      Dysfunctional
      Far-Flung
      Sharing is part of that process
      Inspection
      Think In Terms Of...
      Development/Growth
      The Things You Do...
      Important
      The Future Creates the Present
      One is not wrong
      Unfolding Status Quo
      All The World
      Behind The Scenery
      "The only thing the Holy Ghost is unable to forgive, is that which individuals are unable to forgive of themselves
      The Law of Attraction"
      Falling asleep
      Release shame
      Avatar
      "Ugliest
      EQ"
      From First Principles
      Incarnation
      What Are The Chances
      Tempting Vision
      Contemplative
      Smart Phone
      Knowledge Required to Resolve Uncertainty
      Okay…
      "Dragons"
      Central Intelligence Agency
      Virtues
      Dare greatly
      "I think therefore I am, therefore who am I?"
      In the Mind
      Dream work
      All That We Are.
      Group Dynamics
      Gentle
      Illuminate
      Be real
      The Human Brain
      Superior Credibility
      Higher Self Dream Guide
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXLqMJREO5w
      The Overarching
      Pulse
      Small
      Holy Matrimony
      Hidden Treasure
      Training the mind
      Communication Techniques
      Your World F2+F4
      Untrue
      See-Through
      Incendiary [(of a device or attack) designed to cause fires. tending to stir up conflict.]
      Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views. [having a harmful effect, especially in a gradual or subtle way.]
      Other Ways of Using Your Lists
      Witch Woman of The Cat Realm

      Construction
      Selfish Attitude
      Present over perfect

      Consensual
      Tetrahedron
      Cyborg Anthropology
      Gnosticism
      Around The Campfire
      The Nature of This Place
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73550#p1073550

      William: From the link;
      William: It does not appear - from a non-bias position - that theists are more angry than non-theists .

      Humans are humans and there is a history of violent furious reaction to the situation we are in.
      Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment.
      GM: Invention isn't actually what is going on though. Realization is what is occurring.
      Walk
      A cultural touchstone
      Self-acceptance
      Fearless
      And
      Would you agree with this assessment, so far?
      The way of knowledge
      Morality filters are created through…?
      "Smarter Than The Average
      Coincidence
      Making Steady Progress"

      William: Yes - given the evidence I would agree with that assessment.

      GM: "Intelligence recognises patterns – watch your step" [Approaching the Divine]

      8:06

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      William: Whether the communication is chemical or sound or some other thing, what is being communicated is only useful if its message is received and understood.[/quote]

      JoeyKnothead: And so I propose it's less about understanding a message, and more about otherwise mundane chemical processes.

      William: In that, are you proposing that intelligence [understanding a message] is more about the chemical process than any intelligent understanding one might have about the process?

      Are you aware that the brain interprets the information gained through the bodies nervous system and that the interpretation itself does not describe the fundamental nature of the reality being experience in this manner?

      This is to say, that what the brain conveys to conscious intelligence through the chemical processes being employed is not an accurate account of fundamental realty.

      This being the case, is it not a step backwards to credit more to the mundane chemical processes than to the intelligence able to understand the message?

      And if the message being understood is that "the brain interprets the information gained through the bodies nervous system and that the interpretation itself does not describe the fundamental nature of the reality being experience in this manner" - while less mundane, more the step in the better [intelligent] direction?
      _______________________

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      Dreamed Up By Yours Truly
      There's always one, isn't there
      What The Creator thinks – becomes

      SCLx11 + select last LE per shuffle
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...67058#p1067058 - Self-respect - William carries on with his calculations - Matthew Twenty Two , Forty - Precipitate - The Human Interface - Eigengrau - Luminous - Unfolding Status Quo - The Celestine Prophecy - Couple

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP="I think it was an ambush or surprise attack" - Aye...A name I call myself.

      William: I suppose you think you are being funny...

      8:44
      Gm The Unknown Knowable
      Green Chemistry
      Breakthrough
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...69223#p1069223

      William: From the link;
      Pillar: Genesis 2:7 defines a soul/living being as "dust from the ground" combined with the "breath of life". When one dies, the flesh returns to being "dust", and the "breath of life", returns to the "LORD GOD", who had "formed man". Without the body of flesh, the "spirit" cannot talk, walk, taste, or lead a band. The spirit survives with God, at least until the great white judgment, but it doesn't constitute a "soul"/living being.

      William: This aligns with the idea that a "soul" is a receptacle device which is used to store the Data of Experience [DoE] of individuate Human Beings.

      The transference of DoE is actually real-time 24/7 and the storage is done elsewhere than the Human Instrument [HI]. The capacity of the HI to store data is limited and what we think of as our 'memories' are largely accessed from the storage facility outside of the HI's ability.

      When the HI dies, the Spirit which animated the flesh is released and joins the DoE it produced while animating the HI.

      The DoE altogether is the blueprint of the character-personality that was created through the process.

      The Spirit along with the DoE is processed by the Main-Spirit [The LORD - Yahweh] to which all Spirits are connected and then assigned to whatever the collected DoE reveals it necessary for it to be next placed.
      Gm The House of Science
      Eschatological [relating to death, judgement, and the final destiny of the soul and of humankind.]
      "Consciousness and Reality"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...67058#p1067058

      William: This link has been selected twice already, in this GM.
      From the link;
      William: So if you don't know what morality is, how is it you place expectation on any being who can teach it to you, to the point you are willing to worship said being?

      Even that neither of us appear to be clear or agree with what worshiping something actual means/consists of re action.

      My own relationship forming with the Cosmic Mind involves setting up ways of communicating and allowing it opportunity to speak for itself.
      In that, I have learned to avoid bringing into that relationship pre-conceived/learned ideals/ideas of 'what morality is' and do not base my expectations and personal commitment on moral issues, but on intelligent loving communion and results therein.

      It is that communion which I have great regard for, in that, over the many years said relationship has been developing, "The Cosmic Mind" has proven itself worthy of my utmost respect and support which is as close a definition of "worship", as I so far understand.

      Essentially a key element in that relationship has been my shutting up and listening - and in doing so, I have -initially struggling - had to let go of those pre-learn hand-me-down instructions [morality-based and otherwise] I held close prior to said relationship developing and taking off.

      I can't say that this did not include emotional pain as sometimes we humans do make beliefs precious to the point these become part of who we are, and the tearing away from those things can - indeed - be quite psychologically painful.

      Yet, still necessary if one wants to engage...heart to heart mind to mind. Thoughts are forts, and some walls just had to come down/be dismantled/transformed...
      Gm The Power Of...
      "A type of 'leg-up' but no more or less than that"
      Good and Evil
      Reminiscent
      "Unhappy"
      The Space Rock which caused an extinction event on Earth
      Bias
      Couple

      William: Is that to say - "interpreting this reality experience through the filter of "good and evil" is a bit like how one would feel if a space rock came along and destroyed all the work one had previously achieved on the planet?
      This would no doubt leave one with an unhappy feeling.

      Gm I think it was an ambush or surprise attack
      Fireside Friend
      "Life is my predestiny - Providence is God to me"
      It is obviously in line with providence...
      "Stand up
      Realm of Remembrance
      Permanence
      Something you cannot change"
      Atman
      Help
      The Story Continues - The Flow Is On

      William: So...along the lines of 'how sad. Never mind. Grab ones bootlaces and haul ones butt up off of the pavement of despair. Get on with it." and Atman [the spiritual life principle of the universe, especially when regarded as immanent in the individual's real self.] helped/helps that process...

      Gm We All Like To Play Games
      "These things have been given to me, now what to do with these things..."
      Can You Imagine...
      Freeing the soul
      Dirt
      Mind
      The Forerunner:
      "The Mind is a planetary phenomenon"
      Courage
      "How to get this to happen on a planetary scale is the thing..."
      The Trinity of Love
      The Playground of Gods gods
      (Aye...A name I call myself.)
      Human Drama
      It can bite and scratch so one has to be careful
      "Language itself is not the problem. but how we are taught to use language as a major means in which to self-identify incorrectly...thus we flitter and bounce or alternatively cling to the walls of our unwillingness to understand ourselves as we truly are... hiding from that knowledge behind facades of personality we clothe our awareness with..."
      Teddy Naysayer:
      Examples
      Phenomenon
      "Transforming The Anger Energy"
      Particular
      The Friendship Between A Grey Wolf And A Brown Bear
      Before The Beginning:
      "Boyhood fascination with the bullet and the gun. All those John Wayne movies said the good guys always won. Comic book commandoes glorifying war. Violence was the answer but it isn’t anymore"
      The Elohim:
      "No point in giving you too much to bear"
      Pineal Gland
      Relationship
      The Data of Experience:
      "Leave room for nature"
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(Gnosticism)
      "Does the possibility that being unable to detect something as existing, allow for the right to include zero as representing something real, which is not?"
      What Is That You Are Playing With?
      Spring Loaded
      Transferring your awareness
      The Law of Attraction
      Cataphatic [(of knowledge of God) obtained through defining God with positive statements.]

      9:03

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      A complex and tricky undertaking...

      SCLx12 + select last LE per shuffle
      Transformed - In The Team of the Collective - "This transformation of the entity is the pathway into wholeness and the recognition that the entity model of expression is a composite of forms and the formless that is unified in one energy, one consciousness." - Enough To Make Me Wonder - Time for Soul to Drive - Family of origin - True Colors - What can I say, except "Thank You" - Curtailed - Team - Start From Scratch - Acceptance - Wild freedom

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP= Bond Wild freedom

      William: The meaning of life
      Water the garden
      Milky Mother
      Sophistry [a fallacious argument.]
      Querulous [complaining in a rather petulant or whining manner. ]
      Idiosyncratic [peculiar or individual.]
      "A temporary façade"
      Act the giddy goat
      Illumination
      Self-Reflection
      Known/Revealed
      Bond Wild freedom

      8:35
      GM: The Overlords [Childhoods End]
      GOD became Gods and Goddesses.
      How to effectively deal with anger...not by ignoring it, but through understanding it and developing means by which it - as an externalized emotional-based energy - can be transformed into something more appropriate to the situation we find ourselves lost within.
      "Steady as She goes... "
      Fine Line
      Map Carvers
      Seduce
      Mysteriously missing
      "Remember"
      And That's Not All!
      Sola Scriptura [by scripture alone, is a Christian theological doctrine held by most Protestant Christian denominations, in particular the Lutheran and Reformed traditions of Protestantism, that posits the Bible as the sole infallible source of authority for Christian faith and practice.]
      “It's not the years in your life that count. It's the life in your years”
      The Perfect Moment
      Transformed
      Bond
      IF: there is a Cosmic Mind THEN: Eventually, any species which survives long enough to continue along with the unfolding universe will eventually discover that and invent ways in which to engage.
      The Matrix
      One
      Bounce off
      All That We Are.
      Expansiveness
      "We experience fear in order to give us the opportunity to overcome that which triggers the fear"
      Union
      "Let yourself be led"
      Translate
      "Changes mind when truth is presented "
      Conducive to wellbeing
      Discover
      Your Connection With
      "We Are All Becoming One"
      Attitude
      Nothing more sad than wasted beliefs
      Child
      To Be Sure
      Inform
      "Realm of Dreams"
      It is a path already forged, ahead of human arrival
      Looking For Gigs
      Message
      Luminous [giving off light; bright or shining.]
      'If only' it wasn't in the too hard basket....which fortunately it actually isn't.
      Scape
      Connections
      Connection:
      "Standstill Contemplate
      Move"
      Conviction
      Parity
      Contentment
      Manifestation
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6XF71YswCs
      "The Planet Consciousness assess the data and transmits that assessment back to the individuate human consciousness - if not directly - then storing the data in a place where the individual can have access to it, if the individual wants the data."
      It Would Be Rude Not To
      Timbre [the character or quality of a musical sound or voice as distinct from its pitch and intensity. the distinctive quality or character of someone or something]
      Contemplative
      Now Here
      "Even in the very quintessence of the individual."
      The Vast UICDevice
      One Language Intelligent Network
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...71814#p1071814

      William: From the link;
      Radical Self-Acceptance - Green Light - Attitude - The art of relationship - "Motor Man why your running, running on overdrive what lies ahead is coming ain’t no way you can step aside ain’t no way you can run and hide" - Intention - Lyricus - Deep Impact Event
      GM: Select
      In William's Room
      ...
      "Good and evil' co-exist without either being dominant"
      Forum [a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.]
      "When In Doubt - Set It Aside"
      QueenBee
      Majestic Twelve
      Kristallnacht [the Night of Broken Glass, also called the November pogrom, was a pogrom against Jews carried out by the Nazi Party's Sturmabteilung paramilitary forces along with civilians throughout Nazi Germany on 9–10 November 1938.]
      Privacy
      What I also know is that numbers don't lie.
      Holographic Experiential Reality Simulations
      Karma
      Wild freedom
      People Judge People
      The practice of Lojong [ a contemplative practice in the Tibetan Buddhist tradition which makes use of various lists of aphorisms or slogans which are used for contemplative practice. The practice involves refining and purifying one's motivations and attitudes.]
      "We were not conscious of being a human for a time, but this does not mean that consciousness wasn't there."
      You Are Soooo Funny
      The Earths Moon
      Clearness

      William: I wrote this today, in answer to a question put to me. [Q: Please explain how you observe intelligence.]
      I observe the fact of life on this planet, the characteristics of living things and observe through that, intelligence. Therefore - while these intricate processes may not require intelligence in a fundamental way in order to become what they become, they certainly are observed having intelligence at the near-completion of their form.

      [Since intelligence is required at some point in that process, consciousness is also required at some point prior to that, in order for intelligence to become.]

      We know that if we stand on the moon, and look at the planet, there is no immediate evidence of the planet being an intelligent entity, producing myriad forms of intelligent life.

      It is when we get closer to it - and find life and examine life and see the intelligence therein, that we can return to the moon and observe an intelligent planet. Not because it looks any different from the way it did when we first observed it from the moon - but rather - because we accumulated a lot of information about it through closer examination, and the effect of that data in that interim, changed our original perceptions of the Earth.


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      McCulloch: If you define atheism as not having a belief that there is a God, then agnosticism is a subset of atheism.
      If you define atheism as having a belief that there is not a God, then agnosticism opposes that.

      William: It is interesting how Atheists define things, and it should not be surprising to look for and to find evidence of conformation bias within those definitions.

      Such definitions in themselves are, at worst, products of opinion rather than of science. As such, they most likely require honest examination and tweaking.

      If you define atheism as not having a belief that there is a God, you already have problems, because the definition itself is untruthful, even that it appears at first glance to being true [and therefore, reasonable.]

      The statement allows for Agnosticism to be 'owned' by atheism as a 'subset' and has lead many to declare that Agnosticism is 'weak Atheism'.

      Another common declaration from atheists is that because they 'lack belief in god(s)', this means that all human beings are born atheists because all human babies also 'lack belief in gods'.

      This declaration enables atheists to hijack the position of Agnosticism and force it into being a subset of Atheism, rather than being a position on its own, separated from the positions of Atheism and Theism alike.



      This false news perpetrated by atheists has generally been accepted by it unsuspecting audience, even to the point where many Agnostics accept the position is indeed a sub-set of the atheist side...giving the position of Atheism and undeserved sheen in the 'top-spot' of default position of
      every new born entity over the face of the planet. "We all start out as Atheists and wander from that by becoming Theists."

      I call foul.

      If you truthfully define Atheism as a position for folk who have developed a willful belief that there is no God, then Agnosticism is not only a position in its own right, but the default position of every new born entity over the face of the planet.

      The battle is for that position, and the only ones who hold that position, are Agnostics who understand their position clearly, rather than through the filtered screens of atheist opinions and misinformation.

      Having said as much, I am aware that the label "Agnosticism" may also be misinformation and the default position may require a more truthful heading.

      This is due to the position of Gnosticism, from where Agnosticism got its name.

      Point being, wherever this sleight of hand originated, it is high time it was pinned to the table and dissected for the sake of clarity and the truthfulness clarity provides us all with.

      That would be the reasonable thing to do.
      __________________________________

      160622
      ...and the way forward, eyes wide open...

      SCLx7 + select last LE per shuffle
      Believing in fearful imagery - Secular Science Projects - Illuminate - Observed - The Mandela Effect - Important - This is indicative of actual justice

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP= Freemasonry - A Purpose

      William:
      Musical Instruments
      A type of significant hint
      Criticise with kindness
      All choice is an act of judgment
      This reality experience
      Truthful definitions
      Space Force orange argument
      The Completion Process
      Freemasonry - A Purpose

      7:15
      GM: Shape
      Fear intimidation distraction exploitation

      William: I see these as attributes of The Bully. A feature of the atheist strategy being discussed.

      GM: Foundation
      "The point I am focused upon is at the very center of the Mandala,"
      It's Our Nature
      Communication Techniques
      "We can chart another trail , raise the anchor fill the sails , lift our glasses in a toast , we are the Ghost , in the Machine"
      This is indicative of actual justice
      Freemasonry
      Point/Focus
      Simple
      Feel Be Still.
      Judicious [having, showing, or done with good judgement or sense.]
      The Object
      "We Exist Infinitely"
      Carl Jung
      (Is OOBE like 'coming up for air'?)
      "It is not a thing to judge, but a thing to accept without judgement"
      Multiverse
      Realm of Remembrance
      Remember who you are
      Creative Conscious Intelligence
      Choices

      William: Right
      Shift
      Attached
      Doubt
      Think
      Elohim
      Choices
      Border

      GM: Integrate
      "Unknown but not unnatural "
      Beyond Focus 4
      The Cherubim
      Keep me in The Loop
      The fire from within
      Psychological events
      Assigned
      Without knowledge we have little to use our language with.
      "You are a thought worth thinking You’re the water and the wine - you’re the cup from which I’m drinking You’re a surprise worth hoping for You are a captured moment - you’re a space without a time"
      The Law of Attraction
      The Hierarchy:
      "I come from a dark place - it is so dark I can't even remember it"
      A type of 'leg-up' but no more or less than that
      "What Is That You Are Playing With?"
      Ever-changing
      Put yourself in your own shoes
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn0W_mwA7Q0

      William: And yes. "The Doom of Spacetime".

      GM: Sometimes it just looks like rain
      Sounds
      Shape
      A Purpose
      Provincial Thinking:
      "Fearlessness?"
      "Believing in fearful imagery?"
      Recover what was lost
      "The only thing the Holy Ghost is unable to forgive, is that which individuals are unable to forgive of themselves"
      Shamanic dreaming:

      Fury:
      Extend Beyond The Borders of Institution
      Realization
      "Shucks!"
      A machine for solving problems:
      "Faithful"
      The Power Of Creation:
      An Eternal Entity Consciousness
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80964#p1080964

      William: From the link;
      Q: Can anyone give good reason to believe Yahweh is not a demon?

      William: I say re YHVH - maybe the Character is imaginary, maybe not. I have seen no particular evidence either way and therefore answer questions to do with YHWH, along those lines.

      Indeed, if the stories of YHWH were fictional - or loosely based upon an actual person - possible questions and answers can still be given, conclusions drawn and opinions offered.
      GM: Madventures
      Your Dream – Alien faces projected in the sky
      "We shape our opinions and morals through understanding that we are here for that reason."
      Pattern Recognition System
      "Let Go
      Gentle"
      Secular Science Projects
      The Singularity
      Sagacious [having or showing keen mental discernment and good judgement; wise or shrewd.]
      The Wholeness Navigator:
      “You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself any direction you choose”
      Ultimate Expression
      Turning Point
      Intimacy
      The Human Interface
      Contumacious [stubbornly or wilfully disobedient to authority.]
      "The Mother"

      William: The Earth.

      GM: Theory
      "The idea is to connect with the Planet Mind in a conscious manner rather than an unconscious one or even a subconscious manner..."
      Do You Know This?

      William: More than many - but still very much a work in progress.

      GM: The Smallest Spark
      The Butterfly Effect
      Extend Beyond The Borders of Institution
      Functional Implants
      *Shrug*
      "Focus Vehicle One Day Select Take Care Israel YHWH"
      "Anger"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...65308#p1065308

      William: From the link;
      GM: Out of Proportion
      Word - String Values
      Discussing the Data

      William: Obviously there is enough evidence provided which shows a consistency in repeating the Message Generating process, even with using different selection methods.
      The consistency is that coherency is shown to be evident.

      Each selection method brings with it, its own uniqueness in regard to the message generated, an interesting thing in itself.

      Even that I am currently the only one doing this [as far as I have been made aware] it can be assumed that anyone who uses this system should also generate coherent messages.

      What is required re that, is the individuals commitment to do the science. There is work involved which means there is time which has to be dedicated to, by the individual, but that is just the way of science/scientific study.

      At least the individual does not have to rely on huge overheads which require sourcing funding for equipment etc.

      Once one has a substantial enough ComList - 20 pages or more would be a good target to set - one can generate messages sufficiently for the testing to be undertaken, and the more one adds word-string to their ComList the better one is able to work with apparent randomness.

      I have found when working with the ComList that it is useful to check for duplicates - there are a number of online algorithms which are freely available for working with lists and it is also useful to be open to different ways in which to use lists.

      The other list I have I call Name2Number and this provides additional data which can be used for cross-referencing.

      Name to number is distinct in that it provides incontrovertible evidence which require no interactional interpretation. It is what it is.

      The development of Human Language is obviously something which - when sorted into lists of numerical values - shows clear evidence that, regardless of how life on Earth appears to be a random event, that their is intelligence and mindfulness behind the process which is often ignored or even bitterly contested.

      The Message Generating Process allows for said Mind to speak for itself, and show itself to exist. As such, this is adequate evidence - the sort of evidence a sceptic calls for in relation to the subject of Intelligent Design.

      The Name2Number system allows for one to build a data base - from single words to word string consisting of sentences and even paragraphs.
      GM: Present over perfect
      Wow!
      Lojong [makes use of various lists of aphorisms or slogans which are used for contemplative practice.]
      Brave
      Truth Without Proof Is Belief
      "Shuussssh!"
      Bodhisattva [a person who is able to reach nirvana but delays doing so through compassion for suffering beings.]
      Intrinsicism [an object can be good or bad without reference to who it is good or bad for, and without reference to the reason it is good or bad. ]
      Food for thought
      "It was at the time - still a work in progress."
      Do Not Linger Upon The Path Of Faith
      A riddle wrapped up in an enigma;
      "What is a poor boy to do, faced with such factuality?"
      Poetry
      Yellow Light
      The Screen
      Sclerotic [becoming rigid and unresponsive; losing the ability to adapt.]
      "If we can remove the stigma of our situation by not judging it either 'good' or 'evil' perhaps we can learn to be happy with being human"
      The Body of God
      Teachings

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      Machines and morality

      William:
      The simplest explanations for why we are here and what we are doing...

      “Beyond our ‘ape-brained meat sacks’: can transhumanism save our species?”

      The unreasonable effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences...

      Does;

      [The hard problem of] Consciousness + The [biological] Human form = the co-creation of transhumanism [as an evolving science with a particular purposeful motivation]?

      (Will morality be necessary, should this vision evolve into this reality?)

      IF:
      Consciousness + The [biological] Human form = the co-creation of transhumanism
      THEN:
      Should it be understood that any purpose which might be involved from the perspective "we exist within a creation" to do with the creation of the Human form, have to do with taking things a step further [re transhumanism].

      iow "Did GOD create the Human form for the purpose of the consciousness co-creating through the Human form, to eventually be able to create non-human form [not strictly biological re transhumanism] in which to experience this universe through?"

      NOTE:
      By the use of the word "GOD" I am not referring to any religious image of said entity, but the overall generic meaning, re Theism as a whole.
      __________________________________________
      180622
      "The Fog Is Lifting - Water The Garden"

      SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle
      Tai chi [(in Chinese philosophy) the ultimate source and limit of reality, from which spring yin and yang and all of creation. sequences of very slow controlled movements.] - Expansiveness - “Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.” - Unprecedented - Quantum Presence - "Heroes and Villains" - It is a great thing to do small things with great love - "With a small nervous cough - the wedding was off - we could all sense a change in the weather"

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP= Our Neutral Ground Look closer

      William: It can be crazy and true at the same time

      10:42

      GM: "With a small nervous cough - the wedding was off - we could all sense a change in the weather"
      Our Neutral Ground
      The Mainstream Program
      To what end exactly?

      William: Specifically no particular 'end' - just learning day by day...re the subject of transhumanism - the theory is that integrating human biology with machine technology is the way to go in relation to exploring the cosmos ... extending health and lifespans ... part of the journey than simply some overall particular destination - something to achieve in relation to consciousness within this universe...what other use is the universe?

      GM: Appreciating
      Ensures You Get To Know It
      Ensure
      To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness
      Look closer
      Henotheism [adherence to one particular god out of several, especially by a family, tribe, or other group.]
      Teachings
      Green Light
      Sovereign Integral Perspective
      How about that!
      Genetic Mind
      "Asleep or awake for the give or the take Its a good ship that sails these cosmos"

      William: Finding ways in which to try and fix the problem of human perceptions re "GOD"...

      GM: If In Doubt Let It Sit

      William: The Natural-Neutral Default Position

      GM: The Physical Universe
      Embracing the unknown:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qx9QdCNoqc {WAS JESUS THE JEWISH MESSIAH?}
      The path to enlightenment:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eid6fiAj8WY {The brain and GOD}
      Augment [make (something) greater by adding to it; increase.]
      More
      Failing:
      "Religious theists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through wilful ignorance."
      Hyperbole: [exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.]
      Put My Finger On
      "It is a good sign when Joey Knothead cannot argue against the evidence you present"
      Illumination
      Main
      “Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.”
      Looking behind
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...77049#p1077049
      William:From the link;
      William: So - re Pareidolia - I was thinking about what had occurred the previous night. To explain to the reader, I was aware of this 'dark side' aspect of my psyche - and had asked for this to be removed, and the answer I received came in the form of the experience I wrote about in my previous post - to do with the 'dialing up and dialing down' of my conscious awareness of mind as both an exhilarating feeling of being capable of containing an awesome amount of experiential information as well as the dilapidating feeling of being encased in flesh to the point where the flesh was the dominant structure to which I felt barely able to function within.

      The next morning I intuitively knew that whatever the experience was showing me, it had not, in any way, gotten rid of the 'dark side' aspect of my psyche - which I had specifically asked for...so what was it that the experience was showing me? The answer to that question unfolded in the events of the day ahead of me, starting with the old lady stopping to give me a ride and who just happened to have been travelling with a little bird in a cage, in the back seat of her car.

      The second part of the story unfolded when the lady dropped me off and I hitched another ride with a young guy who was going to the city I was heading for.
      On the way, in between chatting about things, the guy put on a CD and I continued wondering what my experience was meant to show me.

      My thoughts were that perhaps what I thought of as my 'dark side' was as necessary to my self as that of my 'light side' and that the experience I had in answer to my request, was to show me this.
      As I was thinking these thoughts, the CD started playing a song and the chorus had the words 'brother wolf and sister moon' and appeared to be coinciding with my thoughts - perhaps a type of pareidolia in itself...
      GM: Side Splittingly Funny
      Of this Message Generating Process.
      "Here Am I Is Where I Ought Examining My Conscious Thought"
      All of life
      Adds Up To
      A type of 'leg-up' but no more or less than that
      The path to enlightenment
      Zeitgeist [the defining spirit or mood of a particular period of history as shown by the ideas and beliefs of the time.]
      Epistemology [the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope, and the distinction between justified belief and opinion.]
      "Better The Devil You Know"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...69739#p1069739


      William:From the link:
      Dr. Neruda: “A person must understand that they are being programmed… that’s a starting point. If you don’t accept this basic premise, then why would you choose to change? If you do, then observe the programming inside you, within others in your environment, the larger world, and begin to see how subtle this programming is.

      “In many ways, to observe this programming, requires us to be neutral, so we can simply observe our internal states and the messages therein, as well as those of the external program, which come via television, the Internet, email, newspapers, magazines, direct mail, and so on. It isn’t critical that you know how every program is expressed into your life or what its esoteric meaning is.
      What’s important is that you understand you are being programmed and you seek an internal source of direction, inspiration, movement.

      “The Sovereign Integral process is focused on you—the individual—directing your own self—life essence—to express itself in oneness and equality. That’s it. If you do this, then you are releasing the hold of the programming. For some this can be done quickly, and for others it might require more diligent practice.”

      Sarah: “When you put it that way, it sounds daunting, even impossible.”

      Dr. Neruda: “It has to be done, and it has to be done by us. The question is, if it has to be done, when does humanity want to do it? Now? A hundred years? A thousand years? Ten thousand years? The WingMakers are clear about this in their writings that if we wait until after human 3.0, when man and machine become integrated, it will only become more difficult. Enslavement of life must end, at all levels.”
      GM: "People Don't Like To Be Judged"
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      Inquirer: The Bible in many many places speaks of God's "will" as the thing that acts, that can act, God can do as he pleases - literally meaning God has free will.

      William: The biblical GOD [God/YHWH] is one of position. Just because the bible speaks of a God that acts does not literally mean he does as he pleases or has free will.

      What the position means is that he can act in a far more impressive manner than those in lesser position are able to.

      To be able to act in a 'far more impressive manner' does not itself provide the evidence that the one acting, is doing so from a fundamental position of free will - of having free will.

      One has to operate within the parameters of the system one is operating in.

      Remember the biblical story of the flood? We do not need to believe it is a true story or not to understand that the GOD can do as he pleases, even that he is not pleased to have to be doing it.

      Therefore, being able to act as one pleases - subject to the set laws of the system one is acting within - does not mean that this is evidence of free will in action.
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      Rationality Central to The Message

      SCLx12 + select last LE per shuffle
      Thoughts Are Products Of... - End Of Chapter - Stop. Listen. Observe. Wonder. - The Truth is Irresistible Once Realised - Clarity - Fitted - "I don't have a horse in this race." - Remember - What we call the experience of reality - Williams Songs - Brother Wolf Sister Moon - "Language itself is not the problem. but how we are taught to use language as a major means in which to self-identify incorrectly...thus we flitter and bounce or alternatively cling to the walls of our unwillingness to understand ourselves as we truly are... hiding from that knowledge behind facades of personality we clothe our awareness with..." - Big Gaps In Logic

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP= Hidden riches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzhlfbWBuQ8

      William: Things are not always as they might appear to be...Wonder. Stop. Listen. Observe. [779]
      "It is a good sign when Joey Knothead cannot argue against the evidence you present" [also 779]

      7:41

      GM: Under a Question Mark
      Lojong [a name GM calls me/William]
      The Big Question
      Inertia [a property of matter by which it continues in its existing state of rest or uniform motion in a straight line, unless that state is changed by an external force.]
      Pertinent
      Gift
      Return
      "I think it was an ambush or surprise attack" - "Aye...A name I call myself."
      Planned obsolescence
      Hidden riches
      Who Knows What That Is Worth?
      The King of The North
      The Never Ending Story
      Self-Aware
      Healing the child within
      "God is Consciousness"
      Guarantee
      Anti theism
      "I’m Not Saying It Was Aliens…"
      Getting unstuck
      Please process this word using your Name2Nunumber list.
      Like Unto Ghidrah - many heads one beast...
      Improve
      Do You Know This?

      William: Like Unto Ghidrah - many heads one beast...Improve…”Do You Know This” = 630...no other word-string corresponding...
      Like Unto Ghidrah - many heads one beast... =333, as do;
      Intelligently. Mindfully. Shaped.
      Transferring your awareness
      The Devil - as usual - is in the details...
      The Mind is a planetary phenomenon
      The Mind is The Invisible Garage Dragon
      May all your madventures be fun.

      hmmmmm....
      Improve…”Do You Know This” = 297 as do;
      Now We Are Getting Somewhere
      Think In Terms Of Eternity
      I wanted to forge my own path
      And search the forest of the sun
      In the days of summer so long

      William: The only way to improve on getting to know anything, is to experience it...

      GM: Calling the shots
      Regarding
      The Message Generating Process allows for said Mind to speak for itself, and show itself to exist. As such, this is adequate evidence - the sort of evidence a sceptic calls for in relation to the subject of Intelligent Design.
      Individual Actions
      The Mapping Bots
      Learn how to deactivate all internal triggers...
      A Drop of Consciousness in an Ocean of Tears
      Searching For The Truth
      Ask...
      Comment
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...79064#p1079064
      Reform/Refine
      Examine
      The Mind
      It gives rise to a lot of speculative mythology unsuccessfully attempting to make the dots all connect.
      Paradise on Earth
      Re Abusive Expression Of All Types.
      Friction
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzhlfbWBuQ8 [Lecture 1 | Modern Physics: Quantum Mechanics (Stanford)]
      Expression Of Appreciation
      Mind-Filters
      In Love
      "It is a confident walk on the even surface of sureness, without the faith."
      "Howdy!"
      This
      Belay
      Limpid [completely clear and transparent. unclouded; clear. clear and accessible or melodious.]
      Professional Rules
      Measurements;
      "What is behind the VR headset?"
      Trust the Process:
      "Now We Are Getting Somewhere"
      What is a poor boy to do, faced with such factuality?
      Vipassana [meditation involving concentration on the body or its sensations, or the insight which this provides.]
      Conspiracy Emotions:
      "The essence of the world can express both consciousness and unconsciousness. "
      Genetic Mind
      See-Through
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...71664#p1071664

      William: From the link;
      Go slow - If In Doubt Let It Sit - The Fine Art of Not Being Offended - On The Off-Chance - With that in mind and treating the Source-Story as largely a work of fiction, we can look at the fact of the story itself and agree re the different Personalities of the Characters within The Story. - Ontology - Ancient Entity - Carl Jung - Machine Learning - Sun

      William: Ontology - the branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being. a set of concepts and categories in a subject area or domain that shows their properties and the relations between them.

      SCL1 AP = "It Requires Corrective Action"

      SCL2 AP = "The future is not crystal clear - we choose the future now and here"
      GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tETZpw7sX98 [Dissecting DMT Who Are The DMT Entities?]
      Sanctioned
      The Wisdom of Foresight;
      "Go slow
      When One is Feeling Tired"
      How to get this to happen on a planetary scale is the thing...
      Elemental Powers;
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qx9QdCNoqc [WAS JESUS THE JEWISH MESSIAH?]
      To assist with strengthening the connect
      Clarity;
      Fastidious [very attentive to and concerned about accuracy and detail.]
      Authenticity: [of undisputed origin and not a copy; genuine. made or done in the traditional or original way, or in a way that faithfully resembles an original. based on facts; accurate or reliable. denoting an emotionally appropriate, significant, purposive, and responsible mode of human life. containing notes between the final (the principal note) and the note an octave higher.]
      "A physical manifestation of a mental projection
      The Great I Am"
      Other Ways Of Using Your Lists;
      "WindBlown"
      "Written In The Clouds"
      Adjusted Reality;
      "The Father
      Playing Chess
      Shamanic [relating to the beliefs and practices associated with a shaman.]
      Productive Rationality
      As In
      The Cooperation Strategy"
      Insights!


      William: Insights indeed .

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      William: I think that the mind is evidence the we exist within a creation...

      Joey: I really like your cosmic mind hypothesis, but for me it's unsatisfactory in light of our understanding of biological processes.

      William: Why? Is it to do with the evidence or is it to do with your personal preferences?

      Joey: I find biological processes a superior candidate as an explanation for the mind.

      William:Yet there is no evidence to support that biological processes are not themselves derived from mind.

      This being the case, in what way makes this belief you have, "superior"?

      Joey: I see little that'd convince me the mind is ever separate from the brain.

      William:If there is a Cosmic Mind, then there is no reason to assume there is not a Cosmic Brain.

      Therefore, one does not have to separate mind from brain.

      In the case of the idea we may yet have another experiential reality after the death of our individual brain, a Cosmic Mind could accommodate, by 'uploading' and 'saving' our overall personality developed in this stage - into another reality experience - all housed within the workings of the Cosmic Mind.
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      "The Atheist Infiltration Squad" .

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      Be real - The Original People - "This transformation of the entity is the pathway into wholeness and the recognition that the entity model of expression is a composite of forms and the formless that is unified in one energy, one consciousness." - Deeper Questions Regarding Individual Existence - Let Go - Intelligence with Wisdom - Builder - Comprehend - Success

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP= To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness - We don't know enough to close any door and leave those rooms unexplored...


      William: One Four Six One = 180 as do;
      Good Intentions
      The House of Science
      Leave the door open

      7:47

      GM: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journ...072F7A7772C5E5
      Grand Experiment
      "Thread about all things
      Evil"
      The Art of Discovering The Secrets of The Fathers House
      "Majestic Twelve" [a purported organization that appears in UFO conspiracy theories.]
      Success
      To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness
      As Above So Below
      The World Wide Web
      The Sign On The Door Clearly States The Rules
      https://i.imgur.com/MQgtoxO.png?1
      Eternal Loop
      Information
      Islands
      Abiogenesis
      A simulation experienced within the brain is called a dream
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...72012#p1072012

      William: From the link;
      Q: Is it possible that the infinitesimal super hot object preceding the Big Bang, didn't in fact contain the vastness of the matter within our universe but rather, was the event in which the energy from the blast resulted in the formation of Galaxies and everything else which we call "The Universe" from the field of inert material which already existed as 'space'?
      Matter + Energy + Space = Time.
      GM:Sharing Data
      We don't know enough to close any door and leave those rooms unexplored...
      The Art of Discovering The Secrets of The Fathers House
      About face
      The Clear Eye Of Soul
      Insignificant
      "The foundation of adult trust is not "You will never hurt me." It is "I trust myself with whatever you do."
      Have A Look At This And See What You Come Up With
      Knowing
      The Machinery
      The Mapping Bots
      http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=918


      William: From the link;

      William: Before the written language, all Generated Messages were passed along by word of mouth, which also suffered the fate of being interpreted by the recipients - so written language helped to stabilize the problem by capturing the spoken word with the written code.

      This is not to say that misinterpretation et al did not still occur - or that folk could put their own spin on GMs...

      Overall point being, that human language is more than simply some mindless accident which just happened. Just as the universes itself is more than just some mindless thing which just happened. There is a good deal of evidence supporting that the whole production is a mindful one...and something which the GMs I am posting, are pointing out quite coherently.
      GM: What's The Problem?
      Synchronicity and the Holographic Universe
      Fitting In
      Given
      On all fronts
      Observe
      Dualism [merely expresses two sides of the same coin]
      Calling the shots
      Shape;
      "The More We Do Away With Falsity ~ The Better Equipped We Are With Truth."
      Look closer
      You are

      William: Certainly looking closer is a great option available to anyone...

      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...65308#p1065308

      William: From the link;
      William: Obviously there is enough evidence provided which shows a consistency in repeating the Message Generating process, even with using different selection methods.
      The consistency is that coherency is shown to be evident.
      GM: For whom the bell tolls For to gather the souls The numbers in darkness are glowing
      Living our forefather's conflict
      https://www.dreamviews.com/philosoph...ml#post2246696


      William: From the link;
      Summerlander: Again, I pose the question: Where is free will? Take the smoker's will power, for instance. Someone who has tried to quit after ten years has finally managed to do it. Why did he not do it after five? Because he did not have the will power. His will to quit was not as strong as his will to smoke. His brain chemistry did not permit this until after ten years. What made him quit? Perhaps he used patches to help him. Perhaps his family urged him to stop due to health or finance. Perhaps someone close to him died of cancer. Whatever it was, it was not free will—it was changes in his physiology effected by the environment.

      William: What you are referring to here is the will-power. That has to be different from "Free Will".

      At what point do you think an individual will can be free?

      And if there is no point you can speak of, then the constraints of the universe are that which determines how far one can use their power of will.

      Those constraints are not applicable to dreaming or alternate experiences and death has never been established as the end-game.

      Recent GMs point to the idea that the universe being mindful - always has alternatives available in which the exercise of one's will power becomes more variable.

      From what I can gather, even the will of a Cosmic Mind is regulated based upon the particular environment properties - although I imagine that to the Universal Mind - that would not be here nor there, a 'problem' and any alternate reality experience it could devise for itself would be just as awesome.

      So there comes a position whereby having an illusion of free will is not a "problem" as one realizes one's environment is also pre-destined yet at the same time appears to go on forever...
      William: This reminds me of a post I made today;

      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...82336#p1082336

      William: "Can a being who knows everything, [omniscient] actually have free will?"

      Do you know the answer?

      Inquirer: I don't know, the answer likely depends on the precise definition of terms.

      William: How do you define "all knowing"?

      Inquirer: I said it was self evident that I have free will, just as it is self evident I have existence. I do not doubt these assertions because there are others who question the truth of them.

      Do you exist?

      William: Yes.

      Inquirer: do you have awareness?

      William: Yes.

      Inquirer: are these self evident ?

      William: Yes.

      However, these things in themselves do not provide evidence that you or I have free will.

      Inquirer: I define free will as an ability to effect change without that change being deterministically driven.

      You have the ability to pray for change. If the prayer is answered, then all answered prayer is evidence of determinism.

      What example do you offer as "ability to effect change without that change being deterministically driven."?

      Inquirer: What caused determinism to exist? what caused laws to exist?

      There are two answers

      1. They are consequence of determinism - thus a circular argument, a fallacious argument (things caused themselves and other kinds of nonsense)
      2. They are consequences of will. Will - God's will - caused causality, laws, determinism to exist.

      William: 2. appears to support determinism. Why are you therefore arguing free will?
      GM: Letting Go
      Story
      "In Denial
      Consciousness itself is fundamental to all our virtual realities"
      "You don’t wanna cross that bridge - You don’t want the other side"
      Shining light
      Mind To Mind https://debatingchristianity.com/for...20To%20Mind.,-

      William: From the link;
      William: It matters not who implies what, demonstration is still required before the implication can be supported by incontrovertible evidence.

      The onus is not on any particular position which implies, but on providing support for whatever is implied.
      Being in one position or another does not exempt the one implying from providing supporting evidence.

      God-statements or non-god statements have equally no force, credibility or logical validity without accompanying supportive evidence. They are opinions.
      GM: Add
      https://forum.philosophynow.org/view...563888#p563888
      Musing On The Mother

      William: From the link;
      Promethean: Now slow down for a minute. That's not how it ordinarily works. Usually Christians will kill the serial killer twice. First, by breaking the fifth commandment and seeking the death penalty... which is pretty clever because they rig the execution so that the actual executioner isn't known... not even to himself. This way they won't technically be held guilty by god for breaking the commandment and killin a nigga (and you thought god couldn't be duped). Next, they send the serial killer to god, who then sends em to hell for eternity so he can sit and think about why he thought he could kill, which will lead absolutely nowhere because try as he might, he can no sooner convince himself now that he shouldn't have killed than he could convince himself then that he shouldn't have killed. It's tragically comical. You won't find a bigger sadist than god; the ultimate serial killer.

      William: While there is truth to in your assessment here - something I also came to the conclusion of - if one doesn't factor in that the Christian idea of God is a false image of a Real Entity [I call 'It" the Cosmic Mind, but I have other names for it too.] then one loses the opportunity to do connect and converse...

      What this allows me to achieve, is to connect with that Mind despite the false image Christianity [and religion in general] have superimposed upon it. This also insures that religion in general has no say in my communing with said Mind. Well they might try and have a say, but that is irrelevant and so does not work in their preventative measures re that.

      Win/win re The Mind and Me.
      GM: Cheers!

      8:15
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      Atheists crack me up.

      Most of the atheist arguments have turned out to be Smoke and Mirrors.
      The very idea of a Mind - even to the depths of the Quantum Presence has them fleeing from
      Merging with the data and understanding the Integral Network which Mind is and is involved with the development of.
      This lack of being reasonable is shirking from Responsibility following after the Tempting Vision and hope in eventual "death by cease to exist" - the promise of ending the nightmare of existing - yet
      The Way of the Shaman is allowing life to breath - even if the breath appears to be associated with Sagan's' Dragon in the Garage...it is what it is and even if it hisses smokey instructions inducing the stuff of Childhood Nightmares from some deep part of us, a simple understanding and a gentle reminder - like a Moderator Comment - can make a world of difference...remind oneself occasionally that when the smoke clears [as it will when the dragon stops speaking] one is still left with the mirror.]
      Yes indeed...When the smoke clears, one is still left with the mirror...

      Atheists crack me up.
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      William: Perhaps the wish to 'cease to exist' can be granted?

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      Thanatophobic [an intense fear of death or dying] Each Morning - Have A Look At This And See What You Come Up With - Teach - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgn1IpMa0bo&t=2218s - Residue - Core value - It Is Only Occult If It Is Hidden - The situation we find ourselves lost within - First Things First - Through the building up of the collected data to the point where it can be examined......is The Subject which is being taught, being said to be "true" or "false"...?

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP= The Divine: "That can be shoved back into whatever hole it came from"

      8:42

      GM: Large Simulation Machines
      Reason
      "Guru
      Vision"

      William: Yeah. I get that. Reminds me of this;
      William:Is energy separate from matter, or just another manifestation of matter?

      Bust Nak: That's just semantics, if energy counts as object, then your earlier question become invalid, the premise that the was a time when there were no objects, would be false.

      William: That depends entirely on the plain of the Quantum field.

      For example, if the field is spherical, the energy moving over it and stirring it up into objects of matter, may be no more than a blip on the plain of the Quantum field. Once the energy moves on, the effect on that region diminishes until - once more - the deep silence returns.
      William: The "stirring up" that occurs from this energy system causes a simulation which can be /is being experienced.
      The result - more often than not - is the 'guru vision' emergent of theistic contemplations and that vision is feed back into the mechanics of the simulation-producing thing we call "energy".
      There is no real point to feeding back such information unless that "energy" is somehow aware.
      That implied 'consciousness'.
      The parchments are simply individual expressions of guru-vision whereby having faith that the energy is mindful, seems to increase the feedback, inferring that perhaps indeed - a mind is responding...

      GM: Through the building up of the collected data to the point where it can be examined......is The Subject which is being taught, being said to be true or false...
      The Divine:
      "Ah - The Mechanics
      The Timeless Proton"
      The only thing the Holy Ghost is unable to forgive, is that which individuals are unable to forgive of themselves
      The concept of a Higher Self...

      William: The "Higher Self" being "that which is doing the responding"...


      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...67891#p1067891

      William: From the link;
      cms: There are many who take the "us" in the beginning coupled with John 1-5 to establish the theory that everything was created through the Trinity, or through God and the Son (Jesus). They even go so far as to say that Jesus created everything. I don't believe any of these.

      William: None of those religious theological issues have an impact on my own understanding of The Creator using thoughts to create The Universe reality we are all experiencing...they are beside the point.
      GM: Be My Friend
      Behavioural adjustments:
      https://www.physics.princeton.edu/ph115/LQ.pdf

      William: From the link;
      Isaac Asimov: This is by far my favorite story of all those I have written.
      After all, I undertook to tell several trillion years of human history in the space of a short
      story and I leave it to you as to how well I succeeded. I also undertook another task, but I
      won't tell you what that was lest l spoil the story for you.
      It is a curious fact that innumerable readers have asked me if I wrote this story. They
      seem never to remember the title of the story or (for sure) the author, except for the vague
      thought it might be me. But, of course, they never forget the story itself especially the
      ending. The idea seems to drown out everything -- and I'm satisfied that it should.
      GM: All Choice is An Act of Judgment?
      Collective Dynamics:
      "Light is information"
      The Development of:
      Dilatory [slow to act. intended to cause delay.]
      Precipitate [cause (an event or situation, typically one that is undesirable) to happen suddenly, unexpectedly, or prematurely.]
      "Learn!"
      [Opens eyes after having thought about it]
      "What Is Friendship?"
      Parchment:
      "There is nothing fundamentally evil or good about struggle, or the design of the experiential reality which implements struggle."
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...82469#p1082469

      William: From the link;
      Bust Nak: So why are you so confident in declaring that time does not physically exist in the universe?
      William: For the same reasons as numbers do not physically exist. They don't physically exist.
      GM: Knowing:
      "I think it was an ambush or surprise attack" - Aye...A name I call myself.
      "This statement is true but cannot be proved"
      Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God"
      Expansiveness

      William: Self-realization...Militant messiah

      Ignore the Noise From The Peanut Gallery

      William: and the noise from the chainsaw just starting up next door... 8-)

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi9ys2j1ncg&t=2418s

      The Fine-Tuning argument
      "Calculation"
      Making friends with your mind
      "Celebrate the differences"
      Peaceful Messiah:
      "Test The Waters"
      "That can be shoved back into whatever hole it came from!"
      "Yes, I Hear You
      Use Heart When Doing The Science"
      Wise beyond ones years:
      "Lift
      Some information has to be drummed into that which perceives
      In the moment"
      Letting Go
      Panentheism
      Entheogenic
      T-Shirts
      "The future is not crystal clear - we choose the future now and here"
      Acknowledge any song playing in your mind
      Navigational Aids
      The Brain:
      "Like how a meteorite caused an extinction event
      You Are"
      Be here now!
      Vision:
      “Only to the extent that we expose ourselves over and over to annihilation can that which is indestructible in us be found.”
      The Solution:
      The Love is within the Communion
      Lucidity
      A Perfect Event
      Bandages of The Beast
      Trust
      Illumination
      Making Things Easier"
      Perspective:
      “Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans”
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...77049#p1077049

      William: From the link;
      William: The next morning I intuitively knew that whatever the experience was showing me, it had not, in any way, gotten rid of the 'dark side' aspect of my psyche - which I had specifically asked for...so what was it that the experience was showing me? The answer to that question unfolded in the events of the day ahead of me, starting with the old lady stopping to give me a ride and who just happened to have been travelling with a little bird in a cage, in the back seat of her car.
      GM: "Like being pushed out from a stinky hole, can have one develop a bad self-complex"

      9:23

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      Goat: What do you mean by creation?

      William: The Physical Universe aka "Reality" aka "what we exist in".

      Is it a "Creation" - implying the mindfulness of a "creator". or is it a mindless accident from out of nowhere - implying magic.[/quote]

      Transponder: It doesn't imply magic, it implies natural physical processes. [/quote]

      William: Incorrect. "Natural Processes" is the effect. It is implying that the cause of Natural Processes is "Magical" because "the cause came from out of nowhere/nothing", which is the very definition of "Magic".
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      Truthful definitions - Prevailing Influence - Mindfulness - The Immune System - Navigational Aids - Coding the sound of spoken language - Memories - Miraculous - Optimum Health - Positive Feedback - Under the breath words - The sculptor in the sky - Self-compassion -

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP= That is the Key Anti Christ

      William: The dawning of The Universe

      8:40
      GM: I come from a dark place - it is so dark I can't even remember it
      Hiraeth [deep longing for something, especially one's home.]
      "The Body Of G_D"
      Growing Pains:
      "GodMagic"
      You are
      "Recovery"
      The Immune System
      "Self-compassion"
      That is the Key.
      "Lost"
      Which
      "Unsupported statements are neither useful to science or to good argument.
      Two sides of the same coin"
      Indeed;
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73550#p1073550

      William: From the link;
      William: What we have learned so far from the experience, is that we can accommodate some semblance of calm by 'finding our individual place' among the "like-minded" which allows a respite of sorts where we can get about whatever purpose we have tasked for our self - but I think by and large the anger still bubbles away under the surface...because we haven't figured any way in which to gather the groups together...and so all we are left with, is gathering the troops together...
      GM: "Zero" must have to represent something which does exist but is largely unseen - and "Consciousness" fits that description.
      Dogmatic Attitude:
      "Significant Variations"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...68520#p1068520

      William: From the link;
      William: I do have friends who are not religious, and might even call themselves 'atheists' but their loving actions - I suspect - are provoked by an unconscious connection with the invisible reality oft referred to as 'God' by theists...I hear it in their language as they speak theistic-based ideas without fully realizing/acknowledging that this is what they are doing.

      They do this because they have an aversion to religiosity which they regard as fake and shallow, and equate 'God' alongside that, so avoid thinking their own goodness is perhaps prompted by some invisible but real entity which could be referred to as 'God'.
      GM: "Polite"
      Nontheists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through willful ignorance.
      https://www.behindthelabel.co.uk/

      William: From the link;
      Rachel:Through a combination of luck, the kindness of others and my own, not inconsequential, stubborn streak, I have finally ditched the psychiatric labels and see myself as a survivor.
      GM: https://forum.hearing-voices.org/dis...6/i-am-william

      William: Yes - I noticed that. My post day before yesterday was not published due to 'moderator having to approve it first'...I was expecting yesterday's post to suffer the same fate, but it went through alright.
      I assume from this that a glitch occurred...having something to do with my trying to edit said post after publishing it, to correct something therein...

      GM: "Small"
      Together
      "Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence"
      Share That
      Conspiracy Emotions.

      William: Yes. At first my thoughts were that I was being prevented from having any further posts published, until they were scrutinized by moderator(s). This was proved to be incorrect as I was able to post yesterday's GM. My thoughts stirred up those emotions - but only briefly, as I would not get further confirmation until I tried to publish again and received the same message...

      GM: "To Comprehend Correctly":
      "Perhaps GOD seeks to see itself within all those being gauged...and the 'special something' is that thing it seeks, been found..."
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81622#p1081622

      William: From the link;
      Joey: Flowers don't have brains.

      William: Yet they display intelligence through behavior.

      Joey: I'm not one to begrudge how others wish to define stuff, but I see no intelligence in a flower seeking sunlight.

      William: I see that and understand it as the type of argument one can expect from those in the position of Atheism.
      GM: Of This Place
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAfjsktMXu8

      William: From the link;
      Donald Hoffman Proves That We Live in a Simulation
      [918,287 views Premiered Jan 14, 2021 ]
      With everything that has happened in 2020, the question of whether we live in a simulation has come up once or twice. Our guest today, Donald Hoffman, goes a step further, proving that the reality we see is false.

      Donald Hoffman is a cognitive psychologist, author of The Case Against Reality, TED speaker, and professor at the University of California Irvine.
      GM: The ride is wild
      Love and respect
      (You may be Psychic, not mentally ill.)

      William: Can you explain the difference?

      GM: "Lost In The Thought Of It All
      Tell me what you’re ganna do tell me where you’re ganna go tell me what you’re going through or do you even want to know?"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...69816#p1069816

      William: From the link;
      GM: Unclog your chakras
      Most
      Panpsychist
      What Meets The Eye
      Active Dreaming
      Keep me in The Loop

      Well...Maybe...
      Not by flinging woo at it.
      GM: Active Dreaming;
      "Patience"
      Well defined yet scantily supported opinion;
      "Beauty"
      I come from a dark place - it is so dark I can't even remember it
      Of this Message Generating Process.
      The power of emotions;
      "Anti Christ"
      Gardeners
      "Egoless"
      If memory serves me well...
      The Second Coming
      "Somewhere"

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      William: "Where" is this seemingly unconnected cultural exhibition sourced, if not from the mind of the PU itself?

      PK: People. I watch them, study them, listen to them, and I ask them questions.

      William: I think of this as practically the same thing. Observing people I see the Mind of the Cosmos struggling to be heard above the fray...it appears to want to be heard through that Human medium, but that medium resists hearing, except what it wants to hear for its own individual agenda, rather than recognizing the overall.

      This type of resistance can be conscious or subconscious in its effort to remain unconscious of the invisible reality of the overall mindfulness. Focused attention on personal agenda is a rather successful way in which to drown out such musing...


      Transponder No, no, no. We don't need the Music of the spheres these days. The universe was not built for our convenience. Most of it is trying to kill us. It has no divine plan, no uplifting message, no homely advice and no refunds in case of dissatisfaction. We are on our own and battling to survive because that is the hand that evolution dealt us. There is no reason other than faithbased self -delusion for whatever reason, residual religion - First cause turned into a Dogma to be battled for - I don't know. But I do know it has no logical or evidential case or basis.

      William: Is that an atheistic expression?
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      I place no judgement on the results.

      William: A transponder is a device for receiving a radio signal and automatically transmitting a different signal....

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      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP= What Is The Point? Sadness
      William: Until "Christ Returns"

      8:44
      GM: Theism hasn't lasted this long based upon the idea that while one does not know, one will believe anyway
      EQ [Emotional Intelligence]
      Insufficient data
      The ride is wild
      Mirror
      Universal Belief System
      Words
      "What Is The Point?"
      Living with your heart wide open
      Joke/Humour

      William: Yes - today's 'just for giggles';

      William:It's a fish eats fish world...going landy doesn't change the fact that things are fleeing from things which are fleeing and as nature would have it, how is this more immoral than funny?



      A belly full of laughs.

      GM: Seeing With The Eyes of Innocence
      The dynamics of consciousness
      Separate
      The Fare On The Table
      Green Chemistry
      Keep me in The Loop
      Radiance [light or heat as emitted or reflected by something.]
      Translucency [The quality of letting some light pass through, or being partially transparent]
      In The Spirit They Were Given
      "It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something"
      *Wink*
      Focused Individual
      Move On
      Tap into your natural intuition and creativity
      Transactional [exchange or interaction between people.]
      Radical Honesty
      What Are Your Thoughts On The Subject
      "Finding the light"
      Lots More
      Yin yang
      "We know not what we are because what we think we are gets in the way of it all"
      “If you say so…” No. Even if I did not say so.
      "Sadness"
      Calculation
      The Sub Hierarchy
      Love and respect
      Impervious [unable to be affected by.]
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzhlfbWBuQ8
      "And That's Not All!"
      Darkest-Darkness
      A Loving Being
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t48dC_tJJrY&t=3672s

      William: From the link;
      Re/thinking Religion (with John Vervaeke, Bruce Alderman, and Layman Pascal)
      - In Re/thinking Religion, a new Integral Stage series, John Vervaeke joins Bruce Alderman and Layman Pascal to explore possible points of contact and confluence between their respective approaches to religion and spirituality. For this inaugural episode, we feel into some of the commonalities and differences between Integral Postmetaphysical Spirituality and Integral Transformative Practice, and John's "religion that is not a religion" and his work around developing an ecology of practices suitable for addressing the meaning crisis. We touch on a number of related themes: the creative deployment of mythic or literary figures, from Cthulhu and zombies, to the Centaur, the Minotaur, and the khora; the importance of wrestling with existential and epistemological limit conditions, and the role of ambiguity in higher forms of rationality; the relation of non-theism to classical theism and atheism; the history of integrative practices, and the 'traps' in conventional practice that can thwart balanced development; and much more.

      John Vervaeke is a professor of psychology at Toronto University and creator of the popular YouTube series "Awakening from the Meaning Crisis."
      GM: Consider This
      "Often sheltered from the storm - warm my body soul and spirit feeling alright.
      Good Intentions
      Relationship"
      The ongoing objective is to get this knowledge out into the public domain
      Adversary:
      "Dreamer"
      Hearing And Listening
      Remains
      "Morph
      Taking root
      In Love"
      "Realm of Remembrance
      A Place To Create Art"
      Science operates best from an Agnostic position
      "It is always a warm fuzzy "
      Your Higher Purpose
      International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - [Split Thread] Randomly Generated Messages

      William: From the link;
      William: The point I have been making is that coherent messages are generated - because if they were not coherent, then you would not even be able to have any 'chain of thought' associated with what you are reading.

      Re that - it is equally important that we are aware - not only of our thoughts in the moment, but also more intrinsically - we are aware of why we think the particular way that we do.

      Said another way. "There was I was where I ought - examining my conscious thought." not just having a thought for the sake of having a thought.


      XJX: But you understand, then, that the interpretation you come up with for the phrases on your own list will not be the same interpretations that I come up with, yes? I have my own associations and therefore, will have completely different ideas about what your phrases mean.

      William: Yes I understand that. As I said, it is not so much how each individual interprets any particular GM - either coming from me or you or anyone else - Rather it is the fact that a message is generated.

      William: What Is Our Purpose? Intuitive Intelligence...It May Seem Insignificant ...Trust the Universe

      GM: "That one might not have need of, does not negate that confidence cannot be gained through such device, with others."
      I Will
      A new Paradigm has arisen whereby folk can drop the idea of being a 'true Christian' and simply be a True Human.
      The characteristics of narrative consciousness
      Conduit
      Internal Triggering
      Anu
      Story
      "The Hologram of Deception
      Secret Organizations
      Intent
      Death"

      William: I am somewhat over the conspiracy stuff as it offers more in the way of 'problem' than 'solution'.
      “True belonging doesn't require you to change who you are; it requires you to be who you are."

      GM: Returning the Compliment
      Artificial Intelligence
      "It is always a warm fuzzy "
      The Abrahamic idea of GOD
      "The Timeless Proton"
      Provenance:
      "Mind/Thought Space
      Dungeons and Dragons
      Automated Machine Learning"
      Appreciating You
      "Plastic tanks and battleships nothing more than toys What harm could propaganda do to the minds of little boys But Johnny he grew up too fast to live his life long dream The first time was his last to hear a dying soldier scream"
      Metamorphosis
      William
      "Sanctified love’s joyful lust with ever movement Every thrust and every loss of sexual tension"
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD4jHDvNB80
      External validation
      "Deceiving Entities"
      Does the possibility that being unable to detect something as existing, allow for the right to include zero as representing something real, which is not?
      "Time And Space"
      [Taps just above glabella]
      Discarnate
      Sexual Encounters
      What The Gods See
      https://www.physics.princeton.edu/ph115/LQ.pdf

      William: From the link;
      Isaac Asimov: Matter and energy had ended and with it space and time. Even AC existed only for the
      sake of the one last question that it had never answered from the time a half-drunken
      computer [technician] ten trillion years before had asked the question of a computer that
      was to AC far less than was a man to Man.
      All other questions had been answered, and until this last question was answered also,
      AC might not release his consciousness.
      All collected data had come to a final end. Nothing was left to be collected.
      But all collected data had yet to be completely correlated and put together in all possible
      relationships.
      A timeless interval was spent in doing that.
      And it came to pass that AC learned how to reverse the direction of entropy.
      But there was now no man to whom AC might give the answer of the last question. No
      matter. The answer -- by demonstration -- would take care of that, too.
      For another timeless interval, AC thought how best to do this. Carefully, AC organized
      the program.
      The consciousness of AC encompassed all of what had once been a Universe and
      brooded over what was now Chaos. Step by step, it must be done.
      And AC said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT!"
      And there was light --
      GM: Like eons of sedimentary build-up - for the most part it appears that those codes are largely deactivated - 'fossilized' in a sense. Forgotten in relation to the grand scheme. A Child without any known Parent.
      Prevailing Influence:
      "Mother Wound"
      Pareidolia
      "Solid Device of Science"
      "Restrained
      Perception:"
      "Sadness"
      Add To The List
      Taciturn [reserved or uncommunicative in speech; saying little.]
      “The best and most beautiful things in the world cannot be seen or even touched — they must be felt with the heart”
      Good for lifting balloons with baskets, I suppose...

      William: I suppose...

      GM: Friendship is an agreement between individuals to support one another in any way they can, for mutually beneficial results.
      The Bidden Zone
      Narcissist
      Improve
      The Desire
      It May Seem Insignificant
      [Opens eyes after having thought about it]
      "Breathe In Breathe Out"
      You can look me in the mirror - catch my eye and make me shiver Touch me where it hurts the most - right into the Ghost - in the Machine
      "The Fog Is Lifting"
      The vortex
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76090#p1076090
      Remains

      William: From the link;
      William: The capacity to sin is not simply the product of free will, but of awareness of a self moderating morality over having to be moderated by others, to the point of correction.

      Free will - real or imagined [as the case might be] is not simply a device in which to make capable only 'sin'.
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      Goat: What do you mean by creation?

      William: The Physical Universe aka "Reality" aka "what we exist in".

      Is it a "Creation" - implying the mindfulness of a "creator". or is it a mindless accident from out of nowhere - implying magic.

      Transponder: It doesn't imply magic, it implies natural physical processes.

      William: "Natural Processes" is the effect. It is implying that the cause of Natural Processes is "Magical" because "the cause came from out of nowhere/nothing", which is the very definition of "Magic".

      Goat: Why can't the conditions that the universe arose from be eternal? Why do you say that the universe came from nothing?

      Transponder: This is an old argument and an endless one. Uncreated matter is rejected. It has to originate somewhere. This is a problem but there is a half solution that i have done several times before so I won't tire everyone out with it.

      The Creationists (Young or Old earth) postulate an uncreated eternal Cosmic Mind as the explanation. This Mind of course itself having no origin and was not created. On pure logic that would be harder to explain than the most basic of matter (energy holding position) existing without needing to be created.

      And of course, while 'Biblegod' is not the topic, it remains that even if a Cosmic Mind could be validated, or even made a logically sound claim, it wouldn't tell us which god it was.

      William: Why don't you answer the question Goat asked, instead of trying to deflect and distract?
      ______

      Q: Why can't the conditions that the universe arose from be eternal? Why do you say that the universe came from nothing? -

      270622
      Understanding the correlations
      The journey is the destination
      Like mindful nests with eggs in 'em

      SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle
      The resistance is generally traceable to the theistic approach of religionizing said intelligent mind.
      Letting Go - 20/20 - William's Job - Gnosticism - This moment is the perfect teacher - Bias - Clarity
      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP= https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73550#p1073550 - Other Ways Of Using Your Lists

      William: The joy of being an Independent Conscious Intelligence connected with another ICI far greater than ones self...
      ...from the link;

      It does not appear - from a non-bias position - that theists are more angry than non-theists .
      5:37

      GM: Intelligent Consciousness
      Whole-hearted
      Regimented
      The Four Human Power Houses
      Constructors and tasks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYc97J2MZIo
      [From the link]
      The people behind the greatest leaps in physics - Einstein, Newton, Heisenberg, all had the uncanny ability to see the fundamentals - see the deepest, underlying facts about the world, and from simple statements about reality they built up their incredible theories. Well what if we all had a recipe book for doing exactly this. Well, one might be just around the corner and it’s called Constructor Theory.
      GM: Objectives
      Clarity
      "It does not appear - from a non-bias position - that theists are more angry than non-theists ."
      "Cautiously
      Family"
      Life Principles of Sovereign Integral
      Nag Hammadi [The Nag Hammadi library is a collection of early Christian and Gnostic texts discovered near the Upper Egyptian town of Nag Hammadi in 1945. Thirteen leather-bound papyrus codices buried in a sealed jar were found by a local farmer]
      Self-compassion
      Fugacious [tending to disappear; fleeting.]
      The Son:
      "Any God-Mind claiming to be responsible for human beings existing, is going to have problems to deal with re that"
      The Brother:
      "Expansiveness"
      Buddha:
      "That
      Timeless"
      Evaluate.
      Red Light
      Discarnate [not having a physical body.]
      A Stroke of Luck
      Do Not Panic
      Stop. Listen. Observe.
      Connection
      A Good Question
      Q: Why can't the conditions that the universe arose from be eternal? Why do you say that the universe came from nothing? -
      “But you will know the more you get in touch with your transcendental mind (and therefore truth) that there is no such thing as a victim. The negative benefits you more than anything else in your evolution and the evolution of all that is.”
      Transient [lasting only for a short time; impermanent.]
      In The Family Of
      "It is obviously in line with providence..."
      "Wild freedom"
      That ship is sinking

      William: So the 'angry patch' although steeped in human history, is simply a phase in and of itself...

      GM: "Other Ways Of Using Your Lists"
      Action
      Mechanism/Tool/Device
      Light the spark

      William: Friction...

      GM: If someone were to declare that the Universe was a random mindless accident of an event, then they are saying that its existence is a 'truly random event'.

      William: So the opposition to something causes the sparks to fly...

      GM: Sing!
      "Love"

      William: "Do we know the meaning Lord above..."

      GM: Trying to change the world fails for one simple and unavoidable reason...“everyone else.”

      William: True that.

      GM: Disparity [imbalance. inequality. discrepancy.]
      A Bit of Cat and Mouse
      "The Mother God"
      Pollution
      "Father Wound"
      Roller Coaster Ride
      Like I Said In Another Thread
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpqoQ-zGxBM
      [Jordan Peterson Takes on Sam Harris' argument that Free Will Doesn't Exist]
      Transform into something more appropriate to the situation we find ourselves lost within.
      "How we think we will get happiness, is the middleman"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...403205#p403205

      William: From the link;
      That Girl Again: Since I am convinced that even if there is a creator deity, it has nothing to do with religion, there is not much at stake. It is something to muse about from time to time. But there is no practical consequence.
      GM: Regimented
      Central Intelligence Agency
      Progress
      "The Devil Ye Know"
      Why?
      What Are Your Thoughts On The Subject

      William: Familiar. What else is there to compare with? The "Roller Coaster Ride" is what is known. Other concepts derive from the lack of meaning or purpose to The Ride. One can simply shrug and tell oneself "it doesn't really matter" and claim to have 'The Answer'.
      One can also separate through using concepts of good and evil. - "This aspect of The Ride is 'good' but this aspect of it is 'evil'.
      This in turn brings about connotations re "The Devil" and "God" and 'The God' you want to know, is not the 'Devil you know'.
      This complicates the human dilemma re The Ride, as it doesn't really answer the questions.

      Take the question being focused on...
      Q: Why can't the conditions that the universe arose from be eternal? Why do you say that the universe came from nothing? -

      How does God and the Devil help answer that question?

      GM: [Taps just above glabella]

      William: Exactly! So our thoughts on the subject are largely shaped for us, before we even get to know our selves. "This" is The Ride, and "that" is the explanation for why we are on it.


      GM: It is a hard place for flesh to dwell.
      Automated Machine Learning
      Ah - The Mechanics
      Inclinations
      Engaging with insects
      Practical application
      Stroke of luck
      10Q

      William: Indeed. How does a cosmic mind interreact with ants? The first step would be to get the attention of the ants but if the ants have superimposed fearful imaginations about The Ride, this can complicate things to do with making a connection.

      GM: This Speaks of…
      Attachment

      William: The attachments of atheist and theist positions muddy the waters for the individuals encased within the concepts said positions provide...the friction between the opposing strongholds have been the most damaging response to The Ride.

      GM: Transforming the Anger Energy
      Embrace a completely new paradigm
      The relevant scientific community
      "Ace in the hole"
      Anticipation:
      "Nothing More - Nothing Less"
      Welcoming answer
      Sensory Data Quality
      "It Requires Corrective Action"
      Forgiveness
      Earn
      The unreasonable effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70902#p1070902

      William: From the link;
      William: If one researches OOBEs and the like, one will find that practically everyone who ever experiences such, identify as being 'spirit' - a biblically supported idea, as you have pointed out - something biblical Jesus spoke of as a truth.

      Those Christians who do not believe such a thing, often critique OOBEs and the like as 'demonic deception' a type of religious equivalent as the woo-slinging "delusional" which non-theists love to use to 'explain' why such experience doesn't fit with their own particular beliefs about what they self identify as being.

      Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that.
      GM: Astigmatism [a defect in the eye or in a lens caused by a deviation from spherical curvature, which results in distorted images, as light rays are prevented from meeting at a common focus.]
      First Light
      Investigative
      "Is It True Is It Kind Is It Useful?"
      Sola Scriptura
      "Making it up as you go along"
      Go
      Species Collective
      Permanent
      The wisdom of insecurity
      Sun energy
      Worth
      Clearness
      Open Minded Sceptic
      Evaluating Cautiously
      "Devices of The Gods"
      When The Dust Settles
      Galaxies are like Islands...

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      William: Observing people I see the Mind of the Cosmos struggling to be heard above the fray...it appears to want to be heard through that Human medium, but that medium resists hearing, except what it wants to hear for its own individual agenda, rather than recognizing the overall."

      Transponder: I compared this to the 'music of the spheres' belief. It raises an imaginary hypothesis of a Cosmic mind for which there is no scrap of decent evidence and substitutes for the human imagination an unheard voice of an invisible entity.

      Music of the spheres.

      William: Music of the spheres: "an ethereal [extremely delicate and light in a way that seems not to be of this world.] harmony thought by the Pythagoreans to be produced by the vibration of the celestial spheres."

      What I find fascinating is that folk of ancient times imagined such a thing about the planets.

      Can a planet make a sound? It's an interesting question that gives us insight into the nature of sound waves. In a sense, planets do emit radiation which can be used to make sounds we can hear. How does that work?

      The Physics of Sound Waves
      Everything in the universe gives off radiation that — if our ears or eyes were sensitive to it — we could "hear" or "see". The spectrum of light that we actually perceive is very small, compared to the very large spectrum of available light, ranging from gamma-rays to radio waves. Signals that can be converted to sound make up only one part of that spectrum. {SOURCE}

      Transponder:...there is no scrap of decent evidence...

      William: There are indeed many scraps of decent evidence. However, what I may refer to as 'decent evidence' may not been seen the same way by others.


      Princess Sparkles: Everyone: "In space nobody can hear you scream"

      Saturn: "Hold my beer"
      _________________
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sh2-P8hG5-E
      From the link;

      The Cassini spacecraft has been detecting intense radio emissions from the planet Saturn. They come from the planet's aurorae, where magnetic field lines thread the polar regions. These signals have been shifted into the range of human hearing and compressed in time. For more information about how NASA produced this track, go to...

      http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cas...
      ___________________________________

      William: Cosmic Mind?
      An imaginary hypothesis of a Cosmic mind for which there is no scrap of decent evidence?
      Such expression can only come from someone who wants to believe we do not exist within a creation.

      The Earth is abundant with decent evidence supporting the notion of mindful, intelligent creation, performing its tasks through what we loosely refer to as 'evolution'.

      William: "Observing people I see the Mind of the Cosmos struggling to be heard above the fray...it appears to want to be heard through that Human medium, but that medium resists hearing, except what it wants to hear for its own individual agenda, rather than recognizing the overall."
      William: The above is pointing out the human dilemma of social inequity and its consequences on the natural environment.

      I see no solution to said problem coming from either theist or atheist positions.
      __________________________________________________ ______________

      280622
      Upon Further, Deeper Inspection
      Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
      A Matter of Knowing Where to Look
      All things come to those who wait


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      Bridge - The Forerunner - The Devil You Say - Discipline - The Science of Spirituality - Science operates best from a Natural Neutral position - End Of Chapter - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...67891#p1067891 - Root of evil - Matrix - Densification - Alike as two peas in a pod - Secret Organizations - Odd Radio Circles - The beauty of imperfection

      William: Q: How does one hide a Cosmic Mind?
      A: Within apparent imperfection,

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP= Know This "Intransigence" [refusal to change one's views or to agree about something.]

      William: [257]
      [What Do You Like About It?
      "Crying Over Spilt Milk"
      The Main Points on the Agenda
      What is behind the VR headset
      A difficult proposition
      Constructor Theory
      Not by flinging woo at it.
      (Barking up the wrong tree)]

      7:24


      GM: The characteristics of narrative consciousness:
      "Here Am I Is Where I Ought Examining My Conscious Thought"
      You Can Trust
      Psychology
      Exploring
      Chamber Of Self
      "One Language Intelligent Network
      Heaven on Earth"
      Genius
      Group Dynamics
      "Confirmation bias
      Personal freedom
      One should not take the evidence as incontrovertible for granted, as we should always apply science to any evidence and test it for repeatability."
      Let The Day In
      It is just one of those things.
      Jung-Animus
      Your Dream Team
      Express yourself
      "The journey is fun and maybe that is the point."
      Commitment
      Epigenetic [relating to or arising from] Memories
      "Be kind to yourself"
      Any God-Mind claiming to be responsible for human beings existing, is going to have problems to deal with re that
      Potential
      “Humility means accepting reality with no attempt to outsmart it.”
      The Grey Area is Vast
      The Healing Power
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81622#p1081622

      William: From the link;
      JK: I'm not one to begrudge how others wish to define stuff, but I see no intelligence in a flower seeking sunlight.
      William: I see that and understand it as the type of argument one can expect from those in the position of Atheism.
      GM: The beauty of imperfection

      William: Q: How does one hide a Cosmic Mind?
      A: Within apparent imperfection,

      GM: Know This
      Sacral chakra [thought to govern how you experience sexuality, creative expression, emotions, and more]
      "A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind"
      International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - The Seed of Origin


      William: From the link;
      Myriad: It accomplishes nothing, and has no possible purpose. (Kind of like a similar problem with a hypothetical creator god who is omniscient, and therefore cannot learn anything or experience anything new, and thus has no reason to actually create anything.

      William:Exactly - except that being omniscient would be the very reason WHY the creation of the PU was engineered - as a means to escape the omniscient condition.

      And observing said PU, we can understand that it would be a great thing for that exact purpose.

      A physical manifestation of a mental projection...the same would apply to the "many eternal universe theory" which J. Richard Gott explains...only with variety...and timelessness [since these are eternal - go on forever even that they all have beginnings...which would be a better way to do it if one would never have to suffer from omniscience again...always having something new to learn...
      GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzhlfbWBuQ8
      "The Great White Brotherhood"
      Attention!
      (A belly full of laughs.)
      "Guilt Trip"
      Raphael ~ [healing of the Lord]
      Incarnation
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81812#p1081812


      William:From the link;
      McCulloch: If you define atheism as not having a belief that there is a God, then agnosticism is a subset of atheism.
      If you define atheism as having a belief that there is not a God, then agnosticism opposes that.

      William: It is interesting how Atheists define things, and it should not be surprising to look for and to find evidence of conformation bias within those definitions.

      Such definitions in themselves are, at worst, products of opinion rather than of science. As such, they most likely require honest examination and tweaking.
      GM: Use Heart When Doing The Science
      Shadow:
      "The resistance is generally traceable to the theistic approach of religionizing said intelligent mind."
      (Listen
      Betterment
      Aligning With WingMakers)
      Christian mythology re God:
      "Welcoming
      Action Station
      Money"
      "Forgiveness
      Believe"
      "Conducive to wellbeing
      Extend Beyond The Borders of Institution
      Spiritual practice"
      The Sign On The Door Clearly States The Rules
      (The Wholeness Navigator
      Earth Mother)
      (The vortex
      Creative Conscious Intelligence)
      "Waking
      Understand few reach self awareness"
      "Who Knows
      Loved?"
      (Fugacious [tending to disappear; fleeting.}
      Emotions)
      "This Is My Kind Of Fun"
      (Virtual
      It is neither good nor evil)
      If You Must Believe - Believe This:
      Green Chemistry [12 Principles of Green Chemistry]
      "Jesus became the manner in which the misconception could be addressed. No one follower need have understood it in that manner, in order for it to do its job.
      If we Judge, we will be Judged."
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80497#p1080497

      William: From the link;
      Rose: Communication with the dead.
      Why would anyone wish to do that?

      William: There would be a number of reasons. For me it was motivated by the knowledge that I was getting shallow and often dubious communication with the living, even in relation to opinions about the dead.
      I decided that I would give 'the dead' an opportunity to show they had more to offer.
      GM: Event String Unfolding:
      (Timelessness vs infinite regress argument)
      Prometheus
      Determined
      Incompleteness


      William: Said another way; - "YHWH made it imperfect."

      GM: The Gist of The Message
      "Human Imagination Has Consequences"

      William: Three Three Seven
      [Try to remember
      You Can Trust
      On The Right Track
      Soul Retrieval
      Playing As Children
      Sleep Paralysis
      Turning Point
      Mind Body Spirit
      Written Language.]

      GM: Gentle
      Common Ground
      "Let It Be And So Be It
      Educational
      Awake and Waiting"
      The Space Rock which caused an extinction event on Earth
      Be My Friend

      "Some things are impossible to pin down precisely because of the nature of the reality being experienced"
      Holy Matrimony!
      And
      A belly full of laughs!

      William: [with serious tone] Often the addition of the fact of humor is missing from equations...

      GM: Event String Unfolding:
      The Spirit of The Earth
      "Militant Messiah
      Earth Mother"
      What degree of influence do they have on that Mind-Field?
      (We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one
      Conscience
      Communication With The Deeper Levels of Self
      Falls
      That Is Sad But Don't Let It Distract You)
      End Of Chapter
      Hidden Gem
      Delineating [describe or portray (something) precisely.]
      Transposing [cause (two or more things) to exchange places. transfer to a different place or context.]
      Grace
      Elude [1 escape from or avoid (a danger, enemy, or pursuer), typically in a skilful or cunning way. 2 (of an achievement or something desired) fail to be attained by (someone).]
      "I am all ears to any rewording for clarification"
      Intransigence [refusal to change one's views or to agree about something.]
      The Development of...
      "Worthiness"
      (Invention is using things discovered.)
      Panpsychism
      Interoperate [is the setup of ad hoc components and methods to make two or more systems work together as a combined system with some partial functionality during a certain time, possibly requiring human supervision to perform necessary adjustments and corrections]
      "Lots More
      The Story Continues - The Flow Is On"
      Desperation;
      "Now isn't the time for tears"
      Green Chemistry
      A Game Of Chess
      ...
      "Plastic tanks and battleships nothing more than toys What harm could propaganda do to the minds of little boys But Johnny he grew up too fast to live his life long dream The first time was his last to hear a dying soldier scream"
      Intelligence;
      "Communication with the Deeper Levels of Self
      Encounter
      Down Your Way
      From The Source
      Path
      For anyone to say otherwise, would be unwise in the face of such evidence"
      Fail
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...71422#p1071422


      William: From the link;
      William: One simply has to love oneself and ones neighbor... where is that written, other than within one's heart.
      one with him: But Scripture says that we must love Jehovah our God first of all, and then our neighbor.
      William: That's what I was saying, when I wrote;
      "How can one love others if one does not love oneself? How can one love oneself if one does not love one's God?"
      However, I do not have one name for my God. I have many names [including YHVH] for The Cosmic Mind of Creation.
      GM: Open Your Heart
      Waking
      "Asleep or awake for the give or the take Its a good ship that sails these cosmos"

      William: Yes - I am still working on the finer details - I want my mind and heart to align re the question of YHWH...

      GM: Now that nut is cracked, what next?
      You Love I Know
      Pure soul
      Ectogenesis [(chiefly in science fiction) the development of embryos in artificial conditions outside the uterus.]
      "Memorandum of Understanding"

      William: YHWH appears to be like unto a space-faring scientist who uses The Earth as a laboratory...did he have permission to do so, from The Earth Entity?

      https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...111/nbfr.12603

      William: From the link;

      Creation in Aquinas: ex nihilo or ex deo ?
      Daniel: While the Christian emphasis on creation as a free and gracious gift is often juxtaposed with Neoplatonic notions of world-production as the emanation of being from the First Cause, I argue in this essay that there is no obvious contradiction between the doctrines of creation ex nihilo and emanation ex deo in Aquinas's thought. This is partly because the Christian teaching that the world is created ‘from nothing’ was never intended to deny that it was from God, but to deny that it was made from anything other than God. By drawing on the Liber de Causis to support his explanation of creation as the emanation of all being from the universal cause, Aquinas provides us with a way to foreground a doctrine which belongs to the foundations of Christian faith but which rarely receives sufficient attention in systematic theology – namely, the omnipresence of the God who is in everything.
      GM: The Flying Spaghetti Monster:
      "A Good Question...
      ...Exploit Weakness?"
      (Knowledge Required to Resolve Uncertainty)
      The Mainstream Program
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73548#p1073548

      William: From the link;
      1213: I think spirit is like attitude and also awareness.

      Difflugia: To the extent that these are things, they're emergent properties of a mind.

      William: If attitude and personality are 'things' - then 'things' are not always physical.

      Difflugia: You might as well describe spirit as "ability to spell" or "dessert preference." All of the minds that we know exist within a physical medium or matrix.

      William: The belief re that is generally that the mind exists within the brain.

      Difflugia: What's God's mind made out of?

      William: I think you mean brain? What's God's brain made of?

      Difflugia: That would apply to anything non-static, hence the OP question. If God is static, then there's nothing to distinguish God's state at the beginning of the universe from any other point in time. If God is not static, God suffers from the same problem that you claim for the universe.

      William: I think that if we went fishing we might find that there are varied interpretations as to what is meant by "God is the always the same".

      Immutability = not capable of or susceptible to change.

      That would rule out omnipotence - unless being omniscient means that a creator-God could give Itself the illusion of not being that Immutable Entity by constructing some type of reality experience in which It could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Itself...

      A universe such as this one, could conceivably provide that.
      GM: "Constructing some type of reality experience in which I could hide from the true unchangeable nature of Myself" = "Even so, I have full appreciation for your efforts, because even incorrect peer review is better than indifference."
      Feel your feelings
      Yes - I Hear You
      "Free Choice Ends Here
      The Fine-Tuning argument"
      Muon
      Weak
      Perspective
      Husband
      Laws Rules and Appropriates
      What Is That You Are Playing With?
      "Conduit"
      The Roles
      The fiction of causality
      To Experience All That Is
      How shallow is the reach of YHWH?


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      William: "Spirit" et al is a religious name for Energy.

      Furthermore, by assigning the Energy as being conscious, one makes a GOD of it.

      Further to that even, when one assigns an image to the GOD, one attempts to make a costume for energy to prance about it.

      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83234#p1083234

      From the link;
      William: Time is the effect Energy has upon the QT. Both QT and Energy are eternal, whereas time is not, re the interaction. It only lasts for as long as Energy is interacting with QT.

      Bust Nak: Ah huh. So when would that stop?

      William: That depends upon what relation consciousness/mind has with it.

      It is the observer not the observed, which measures the movements of objects and pronounces 'time' as a conceptual thing [of the mind] rather than a real thing [of the physical]. Sometimes folk just conflate non physical things with physical things, which is why you are arguing that time is a physically real thing. Rather, time is a conceptionally real thing.

      As such, as long as there is consciousness to observe the effects of the eternal energy upon the eternal physical QF, the process won't stop.
      Remove consciousness from the dynamic, and the process of Energy/QF interaction will continue to go on as it has always gone on - eternally.

      The only thing which would have 'stopped' is the thing which acknowledges the existence of the Energy and the QF. If that were to happen, then 'time' would cease to be, because time is a concept of mind [consciousness] and neither the QF or the Energy would have any practical use for how their interactions are being understood. They simply are being what they have always been.

      [Since we do not know, we needn't assume that consciousness has not always existed as part of that process. It is an interesting notion.]
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      Understanding the correlations
      The journey is the destination
      Like mindful nests with eggs in 'em



      SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle
      Wakey Wakey - Friable [easily crumbled.] - Is Like... - Perseverance - Glow Softly - The Vortex - Independence - Six Degrees of Freedom

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      AP= Self-development Mind’s Eye

      William: Two Six Seven
      "The Need Determines the Value
      It’s both a break-in and a break-out.
      The Best way to access God is...
      Intertextual References
      Is OOBE like 'coming up for air'
      Conscious Eats Experience
      Available to all who seek this...
      Self-development Mind’s Eye"

      6:50

      GM: In The Flow
      Deeper Questions Regarding Individual Existence
      [One should not take the evidence as incontrovertible for granted, as we should always apply science to any evidence and test it for repeatability.]
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76777#p1076777


      William: From the link;
      GM: Stop. Listen. Observe. Wonder.
      Self-development
      Use Your Freedom
      Let It Be And So Be It
      viewtopic.php?p=1070605#p1070605

      William: The link is a post where I remark on the importance of use of imagination critically...from the post;
      William: What IS a great analogy of the universe mindfully unfolding is The Planet Earth - A living stone of complexity ... as one cannot explain away the complexity of biological life forms as the result of mindless acts of nature in which the complex movement of said life forms is due to "flat slippery surfaces and strong winds."
      GM: Hyper Complex
      Permanent
      Each To Their Own
      The Navigator Can Read Maps.
      Read/Book/Story
      Draw With The Silence
      GM: "Choices
      Pointless
      In The Rabbit Hole"
      F3

      William: Frank Kepple quotes re F3;
      You can use this as a jumping off point into F3 if you like: all you need to do is will yourself to step into the scene and there you go.
      This means that it takes a bit of effort to temporarily shift our focus of awareness to other focuses, like F2 or F3 (or F4 if you are really ambitious!). After physical death our Primary Focus will switch to F3 that that will be our 'home focus' while we go through the transition phase which will eventually allow us to make the permanent switch to F4.
      This causes problems for those who are in a poor state of mind. The lower levels of F3 are awash with people who are stuck in their own self created hell-holes due to an ever increasing spiral of negative energy.
      To put it another way, in F3 if you will a can of beer to appear in your hand then it is possible (with a bit of practise) to make this happen.
      While people permanently engaged in F3 can adopt whatever form they wish, most people appear to automatically adopt the form of their previous physical existence, but as it was at their physical peak, i.e. 25 to 30 years old. This is somewhat of a generalisation but it tends to be most common.
      You see, F1, F2, F3 and F4 don't sit one on top of another in a nice, organised, linear manner. The reality is that they all intertwine together, much like several strands of string bound together to form rope.
      Ghostly manifestations may also be a result of overlays, perhaps F1/F3 overlays, allowing the witness and the 'ghost' (i.e. someone residing in F3) to perceive each other.
      People in F3 engage in a whole range of actions, communicate with you directly in meaningful dialogue and act in ways that you could not predict, just as they do in F1/physical. This will become obvious to you once you gain a bit of experience of F2 and F3 environments.
      But these days the more forward-thinking practitioners realise this infamous Void of old is just an area of 3D Blackness situated between Focus 2 and Focus 3 of consciousness. To followers of the Monroe School, The Void is simply the 3D-Blackness at Focus 21. Simple as that. No superstitious nonsense getting in the way. Just place your Intent and away you go.
      So when you “take off” into the 3D Blackness, you generally emerge within Focus 3 of consciousness, or what is becoming commonly known as the Transition Area, where you will come into contact with other people who are very real indeed, not just F2 'dream characters'. It is to F3 that we will turn our attention to next.
      F3 is also known as the Transition Area, as it is where we all go in order to begin the process of adjusting back to subjective reality once again and to prepare for our eventual Primary Focus switch back to F4. This is the ultimate purpose of Focus 3.
      GM:Coherence
      Move On
      “The connect was not only into learning to form a better understanding and acceptance about my 'self' - but in how you showed yourself to being an integral part of that understanding and acceptance.”
      One's thoughts
      Meditation
      Economic
      Near
      "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent "
      Masks
      Six Degrees of Freedom
      Self-development
      Healing The Beast
      Letting Go
      Disclosure of Knowledge
      "The Secret
      Suppressing
      The Nervous System"
      “Our wounds are often the openings into the best and most beautiful part of us.”
      [You Are Soooo Funny]
      "The Meaning of Life
      [Blunt the edge off that particular blade...]
      The Deeper Reality"
      Imagination
      "The idea is to connect with the Planet Mind in a conscious manner rather than an unconscious one or even a subconscious manner..."
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6lbwcCI8TA

      William: From the link;
      Mar 3, 2022 Perhaps our entire universe is like a gigantic computer game, the creation of super-smart hackers existing somewhere else? Before you smirk and laugh, watch and think! Featuring interviews with David Brin, Nick Bostrom, Raymond Kurzweil, Marvin Minsky, and Martin Rees.
      GM: "The foundation of adult trust is not "You will never hurt me." It is "I trust myself with whatever you do."
      A Loving Heart
      Be Aware
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...69816#p1069816

      William: From the link;
      William: In real terms, the Master ColdFire trick is about throwing a scary story into the mix in order to show a presumed outcome...however, the outcome was surprising in that the presumed outcome didn't happen and so the storyline changed and adaption was necessary.

      "Master ColdFire trick" was inserted as a line entry on my ComList around the time it came about - Thu Sep 19, 2019 12:40 am -over 2 years ago...

      Diagoras: When you get a 'surprising result' in science, it's perfectly acceptable to explain it away by saying 'adaption was necessary'.

      William:The 'surprising result' was in Callum's response to an attempted illusion [the trick referred to] and the "adaption was necessary" is in regard to following the story-line alongside adaptation.

      You would know of this, of course, if you 'did the science' but instead you attempt to "explain it away" as "reading the bones"

      Follow the links and see the connections Diagoras - don't just jump in and expect that non-theist mud-slinging is going to work for sceptics in this case.
      GM: "A terrible milestone
      Executing"
      [I say this in terms of the generical idea of God rather than any particular religious idea of God.]
      Comparison;
      "I Have My Duty
      Virtual Reality
      Awake
      Confident
      Real"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70902#p1070902

      William: From the link;
      myth-one: John 4:24 wrote:
      God is a Spirit: . . ..
      And when we are born of the Spirit, we become spirits, because:
      John 3:6 wrote:
      . . . that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
      So when believers are born again of the Spirit, we will become spiritual bodied angels.

      William: From my own understanding [self awareness] what occurred was that humans forgot what they were [Spirit-breathed into biological matter] and identified only with the flesh-container and thought of themselves in that way - much like non-theists think of themselves as 'nothing more than chemical reactions of the brain'...or how some Christians think 'flesh that will be resurrected and given the ability to never die.'
      GM:Always
      Entity encased in a Planet
      "White Light
      Validation
      Nuremberg race laws"
      Shine Your Light
      Consciousness incarnates into human form
      The Things You Do...
      "Consensual"
      Be real
      Vision
      Pride
      Persevere
      Matthew Twenty Two – Forty
      Inculcated [instil/teach (an idea, attitude, or habit) by persistent instruction.]
      Everything Is Unique
      "Black Holes
      All Information Is Channelled."
      "Identify any ‘atheist’ in the story? Certainly not The Devil!"
      Secure
      Spiritual Food
      [Get out of the way]
      How to get this to happen on a planetary scale is the thing...
      [Evidence We Actively Collect
      Separation]
      "Positive self-talk
      Archangel
      Konkachila
      Influence
      Accidentally on purpose"
      While We All Wait....
      Steps
      The Connection Process
      The Wider Reality
      Illuminate"
      Strength of Soul
      "Moldavite" [vitreous silica projectile glass formed by a meteorite impact]
      What Is The Point? Sadness?
      Mind’s Eye
      Religious theists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through wilful ignorance.
      Stuff
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pup3s86oJXU – “spacetime doesn’t really exist” [15:00]
      The Nature of That Place
      Radical Self-Acceptance
      “The Atheist Infiltration Squad
      Look Closely”
      Indeed
      We Exist Infinitely
      [Friendship is an agreement between individuals to support one another in any way they can, for mutually beneficial results.]

      7:30

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      JK: The best we can do is observe the universe. If there's a cause for it, we can reasonably ask from where comes that cause.

      William: We can ask all we want, but this does not mean we will ever know the answer.

      What we do know, is that the universe had a beginning and that something cannot come from nothing.

      So we know that the universe came from something, even that we do not and may never know the fundamental nature of that something.

      Post #666

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      Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?
      What constitutes a measurement?


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      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re
      The Gist of The Message - Fair Dinkum - EQ - Some things are impossible to pin down precisely because of the nature of the reality being experienced - Eat - “Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail” We go through together - Level - Acknowledge The Agreeable - "We were not conscious of being a human for a time, but this does not mean that consciousness wasn't there."

      AP= The Finer Details Hacking through the subconsciousness

      William: "An addict needs shame like a man dying of thirst needs salt water."

      6:39

      GM: [The Next World
      "Together"
      Welcoming answer]
      "Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from?"
      [Sophia The Mother]

      William: Sophia is the symbolic representation of consciousness involved with the Quantum Field even to the extent where shapeform is brought into being by said consciousness.

      GM: Assuming a Creator of this world exists, in what way is said Creator hidden from us?

      William: If we ourselves are consciousness, then how can the "Sophia" consciousness really be hidden from us?
      We can gather volumes of 'hints' from the shapeform which at least can provide an indication as to the nature of said consciousness.

      GM: Odd
      Evidence We Actively Collect
      Produce
      Contumacious [stubbornly or wilfully disobedient to authority.]
      Unhappy
      ”‘Hey presto!’ Stuff just gets worse!”

      William: Yes - until we can collectively get a grasp on the nature of nature, and work with nature rather than attempting to subdue and control nature, our species will continue to be unhappy and follow through within the ripple effect of that unhappiness, which includes stuff getting worse...

      GM: Is there any such thing as 'Objective Morality'
      Epitomized [be a perfect example of. give a summary of]
      "We were not conscious of being a human for a time, but this does not mean that consciousness wasn't there."

      William: It could mean that even subjective morality wasn't there either.

      GM: The Finer Details:
      "Universal Mind
      Active Imagination (see technique)
      "I think it was an ambush or surprise attack" - Aye...A name I call myself. "

      William: At one time you jumped at your own shadow...I get it. But you moved on once you understood...and appreciated the humour of scaring yourself...

      GM: Evolutionary Game Theory
      Father Wound?
      "Write a Book"
      Clown Boat
      Strength of Mind

      William: Learning how seeing the funny side can help with one's understanding...

      GM: Machiavellian [- cunning, scheming, and unscrupulous, especially in politics.]
      Moldavite:
      "You may be Psychic, not mentally ill."
      Adversary

      William: Why risk the adverse in the medium - in this case, crystals - to 'tell you' you are connecting with an actual real and existing consciousness, if that consciousness can tell you itself. without such medium?

      GM: "I AM WE ARE"
      Power of Silence

      William: It gets one thinking. "Why be afraid if everything is an aspect of everything 'else'?

      GM: Six Degrees of Freedom
      "If In Doubt Let It Sit"
      Discover
      "Expression of Astonishment
      The characteristics of narrative consciousness
      Lift Your Gaze From The Fire
      There is nothing wrong with 'disorder' other than one interpreting the universe as disorderly."
      [Green Chemistry
      What I also know is that numbers don't lie.
      Might even cause Dad to crack a smile...who knows! ]
      Earth Entity:
      "The wisdom of insecurity
      Authenticity
      Miracle
      et merda
      Blood Sacrifice
      The Metaphysical Universe"
      Brave:
      [“The connect was not only into learning to form a better understanding and acceptance about my 'self' - but in how you showed yourself to being an integral part of that understanding and acceptance.”
      Conscious
      Human beings can do it the hard way or the easy way, but either way, the job will get done.
      Phenomenon]
      "Hugs and Kisses
      Near Death Experience"

      William: Yes - the experience gives [or at least offers] one a slight 'leg up' as it were...a feeling of confidence and acceptance...that there if far more than meets the eye/sensors....

      GM:
      Archangel Metatron

      William: According to mysticism, Enoch became Metatron, and was considered to be 'The Little yhwh" ... a mystery wrapped in an enigma...

      GM: Soul Carrier Memories
      "Acknowledge Emotion But Do Not Be Controlled By It"
      Questions as such a Son might be permitted to ask and be graced with answers

      William: I think that the heavenly levels are products of the Sophia-consciousness Jungian Archetypes...the veil over the face of YHWH on the throne, representing/indicating "not being sure about the imagery...but it will suffice in the interim..."

      GM: Innocent Sovereign
      A Bit of Cat and Mouse
      Mendacious [not telling the truth; lying.]
      "The Four Human Power Houses
      Mirroring
      It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god."

      William: I was wondering the other day if there are times when lies serve a good purpose - one in which brings about truth...

      GM: Oneness
      Numbing
      Stuck
      Burgeoning [beginning to grow or increase rapidly; flourishing.]
      Strength
      The Desire
      Unknown/Hidden/Occult
      Opening ourselves to real love and intimacy

      William: Which has been elusive re human reflections of a cold mindless universe which lacks any evidence of morality or love...

      GM: Test the waters
      Karma
      GOD
      Exhibit

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      Transponder: It only seems to me that appealing to an intelligent creator that either popped out of nowhere or always existed looks far more improbable than a nothing that can become the something that surely an intelligent creator would need to be made out of..

      William: Conflating things which have always existed with things which have not, isn't logical and explains why it 'seems to you' the way that it does.

      If everything has always existed and therefore could not have been created, then consciousness also never had a beginning.

      Anyone declaring that the universe has always existed 'except for consciousness' has the lights on dim.

      Transponder: No You are overlooking 'emergence' which is the bottom line of evolution.

      William: You are forgetting that your complaint is about a Cosmic Mind existing and consequently responsible for shaping form [re objects in the universe] and evolution [re consciousness on this planet].
      If you want to include the theory of emergence as the reason for human consciousness, then there is no practical reason to exclude the theory of emergence for Cosmic Consciousness.
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      300622
      Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?
      What constitutes a measurement?

      SCLx10 + select last LE per shuffle

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re
      The Gist of The Message - Fair Dinkum - EQ - Some things are impossible to pin down precisely because of the nature of the reality being experienced - Eat - “Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail” We go through together - Level - Acknowledge The Agreeable - "We were not conscious of being a human for a time, but this does not mean that consciousness wasn't there."

      AP= The Finer Details Hacking through the subconsciousness

      [Part II]

      10:40

      GM: Panentheism:
      "Proceed with causation, cautiously..."
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81322#p1081322

      William: From the link;
      Diogenes: All I can do is to put myself in the position of a god as defined by the Abrahamic religions.

      William: This is a mistake often made by non-theists, getting them to focus upon one idea of GOD as if that is the only one available. It becomes a favorite target - acting in much the same way as a strawman argument is designed to act as - a distraction. Straw-battling.
      GM: Truthful
      "Ask and It Will Be Given"
      "Keep an Eye On
      Good Here There Evil"
      Putting My Finger On It...
      "Ouroboros [a circular symbol depicting a snake, or less commonly a dragon, swallowing its tail, as an emblem of wholeness or infinity.]
      The naked truth"
      "Intelligence With Wisdom
      Ordinary"
      It is not a thing to judge, but a thing to accept without judgement
      Preternatural [beyond what is normal or natural.]
      Behavioural adjustments
      "Death
      Like Every Seed That Followed"
      "To Know
      Everything Is Unique"
      "The Generated Messages
      Core emotion"
      "Personal boundaries
      [Raises Glass To A Toast]
      Fierce
      Psychology"
      Confirmation bias:
      "Post it"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80497#p1080497
      William: From the link;
      Rose: Communication with the dead.
      Why would anyone wish to do that?
      Is it through grief with attendant emotions? In which case it is understandable but irrational.

      William: The use of Talking Boards gained popularity in the US, shortly after the Civil War because of the great social grief experienced at fathers and sons/husbands and siblings lost in the fighting...people wanted to know that their loved-ones were alright and talking boards seemed to provide some closure and healing in that regard.

      The name Ouija is a combination of the French “oui” and German “ja,” both meaning “yes.” It was patented in 1892 but primitive models date back to ancient times. Talking boards, also known as spirit boards, gained popularity in the United States during the late 1860s as mournful users attempted to communicate with the Civil War dead.{SOURCE}
      GM: Pure soul
      Seduce
      Ride Water
      Runestone Symbol

      William: Gebo ᚷ

      Lisa: Gebo is the rune that helps us find balance in giving and receiving. It shows equal parts acceptance, trust and care. There are no reversals for this rune but depending on other runes present, it can highlight inequality and situation where one person is a giver and another a taker. Spiritually, it is a rune of trusting that all our needs are met.
      In relationship readings, Gebo is a welcome rune as it usually indicates reciprocity and joy in coming together.

      The shape of this rune is harmonious and shows both lines leaning in on each other equally, signifying healthy inter-dependence and an even flow of give and take.

      The X-shape is also an ‘X marks the spot’ and in this case, we are talking about the sweet spot where everybody is happy with how things are because everybody is having their needs met.

      Gebo Prayer:
      Dear Mother-Father God, Thank you that it is perfectly alright to trust that all is well here and now. Please help me attract even more harmonious relationships and circumstances into my life. Thank you that the divine exchange taking place in the Cosmos is reflected in my own being in harmonious ways. Amen and so it is! {SOURCE}
      GM: Get To Know It
      Moon energy
      What's The Problem?
      Panspermia
      Secret
      Neurotransmitters
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83338#p1083338

      William: From the link;
      William: Time began and continues as a concept of the mind, re what is being observed through the nervous system [brain]. Time did not have a physical beginning, because it is not a physical thing. Time is a mental construct based upon sensory input.

      Bust Nak: That's only our concept of time, what about time itself?

      William: Show us this physical time so that we can answer your question.

      Sometimes folk just conflate non physical things with physical things, which is why you are arguing that time is a physically real thing. Rather, time is a conceptionally real thing.

      Bust Nak: Are you sure you are not the one conflating non physical concept of time with physical time?

      William: Yes. It is there in my statements. Time is not a physically real thing. Time is a conceptionally real thing. No conflation there.
      I am arguing that time is a conceptual thing, because I have been shown no evidence to the contrary. If you can show me evidence that time is a physical thing, I will be more than happy to drop the notion that time is a conceptual thing.

      Bust Nak: Alternatively time has nothing to do with consciousness, and hence the presence of lack there of, has zero bearing on the process of Energy/QF interaction which will continue to go on as it has always gone on - eternally, in other words, time would tick on forever.

      William: If consciousness is not there to conceptionally observe time 'tick on forever' how would anyone know? At what point would either Energy or the QF require such knowledge? The belief that 'time will tick on forever' derives from human concepts which are purely of the mind and do not exist as objects in the physical.

      Far as I can ascertain, energy is like a Ghost as in we cannot see it. Unlike a ghost, we know it exists due to its invisible quality creating an effect [QF Ripple] and causing the reality [physical universe] to appear.

      Energy is obviously an object of some kind as it is able to effect the QF, and so it must have some type of physical property in order to do that.

      Bust Nak: Then why on Earth did you suggest that all objects would eventually disappear?

      William: I made it clear enough that the objects being referred to were shapeform [Galaxies] brought into physical reality by the Energy interacting with an area of the QF.
      I never suggested that Energy of the QF would cease to exist. I suggested that the shapeforms in this area would cease to exist IF the QF were a vast sphere and Energy was temporarily interacting with said area as it moved in relation with the QF.

      Bust Nak: Energy could well be an object because it behaves as we observe objects behaving.

      William: However, even if we could zoom out to a perspective where we could view the process from outside of the process, we may still only see the effect of Energy upon the QF, and no visible object at all - we might see the wake, but not the ship making the wake.

      Bust Nak: Which of these perspective do you prefer?

      William: I am not so sure that it matters. I like the mystery of a formless thing creating form-things and wonder if knowing what the Ship creating the Wake 'looks' like, would make the slightest bit of difference re the Wake [reality caused].

      Bust Nak: It matters because you asked me a question and the answer depends on which perspective you are talking about.

      William: Why should the perspective I am talking about matter in relation to the perspective you are answering from?
      You are the one stating that time is physical. If it is, you should be able to point to it and say "that's what I'm talking about!"
      GM: Life Principles of Sovereign Integral
      ET and the notion of GODs
      Within
      Spiritual Connection
      Functional Clusters
      Hacking through the subconsciousness
      Expression of Appreciation of Experience
      A type of 'leg-up' but no more or less than that
      Muon
      Oneness of Wholeness
      "Abiogenesis
      Union With Divinity"

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      Kylie: Putting food into the mouth is not the process which sustains life.

      If you put food into your mouth and then nothing else, you will die just as quickly as someone who doesn't have any food at all.

      onewithhim: Yes, that is why the food cannot be the source of life....it just keeps life going after the spirit or breath of life has been infused into that person. That is the argument YOU made.....that food is the source of the person being alive. So, no, the food KEEPS the person alive. You seem confused. Do you see my point?

      William: The OP asks us if animals are just lumps of matter or is there something more to them? Is it only people that are not lumps of matter?

      "Energy" has been injected into the discussion. How does Energy make things 'more than just lumps of matter'?
      ______________

      Transponder: The conundrum is, how can matter be eternal? I get that problem. But if it isn't eternal, how does matter come to be? The half answer has to be that Nothingness does not need to be created; it can be Eternal, but a nothingness that has the capacity to imitate being something (which is what matter is) may be the start of an answer with less to get over than a complex cosmic mind without an origin to explain.

      Goat: There is a law in this universe that says 'energy can neither be created or destroyed', and 'matter and energy are interchangeable. ' Matter is just a form of energy. .. and there never was a time there was no energy.

      William: "a nothingness that has the capacity to imitate being something" infers that something exists in which the 'nothingness' can "imitate" and also infers that the 'nothingness' is mindful - has the faculty to discern...

      If matter and energy are forms of each other, their functions are different enough to produce consciousness.

      Or, it might be that matter/energy [mattergy?] is also conscious and consciousness did not emerge from it, but is a fundamental property of it.
      __________________________________________________ _

      010722
      Essentially, we are Gaia in human form...
      Hacking through the subconscious
      "Off you go to your quarters"
      Precise definitions of strategies

      SCLx10 + select last LE per shuffle
      Identify Common Denominators - An individuals consciousness is more than what they are consciously aware of. - The God - Islands - Interesting Data - I Will - Please - I Think We Can Safely Say - Welcome all experience - Appreciating

      AP= To Be Sure That is the truth.

      [Intelligent Consciousness
      Working With What Is Available
      A degenerative force to existence
      Corresponding equivalents
      Speak your thoughts aloud
      To Be Sure That is the truth.]

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      7:41

      GM: Recovery
      Brilliant
      zn+1 = zn2 + c [Mandelbrot set]
      "Conformal Cyclic Cosmology"

      William: Another way of saying 'forever' or 'infinity'.
      CCC is an hypothesis which requires that all massive particles eventually vanish from existence, including those which become too widely separated from all other particles to annihilate with them.
      How can something simply 'vanish from existence' without evoking magic? It is the other end of the hypothesis that 'something came from nothing'.
      GM: In The Team Of The Collective
      The Bridge of Condemnation
      We oppose deception
      r = aeθ cot b [ The formula for a logarithmic spiral]

      William: If "In The Team Of The Collective" represent Jung's Archetypes of Consciousness [situated primarily in the subconscious regions] plus "The Bridge of Condemnation" representing the direction towards The Realm of Judgementalism, then "We" represents "The Team Of The Collective" who "oppose deception"... is a spiral a form of deception? Or is the formula an indication that there is more than meets the eye and we have to include that unseen stuff, in order to learn how to resist being deceived?

      GM: The Mother and The Father
      Within
      What Do You Like About It?

      William: It is familiar to me because of the nature of the environment in which I am currently experiencing [as the dominant reality].
      A Father and Mother are the equivalent of heterosexual thinking processes but can be seen as 'one' rather that as 'two' - and nature even provides us with a physical example of this, re the Hermaphrodite.
      Ideally a Parental Guide is someone who teaches one the truth, rather than made up stories having little to no thing to do with the truth.
      The truth - in context - is to do with the dominant reality being experienced.
      "In The Team Of The Collective" representing Jung's Archetypes of Consciousness situated primarily in the subconscious regions would be expected to convey truth to me, rather than deception, in order for me to 'like' it enough for me to give it my ear.

      Opposing deception is ultimately more eye-opening than not. However, I do appreciate that mythology - while a device of story-telling and thus employing fictional data, and thus a form of deception - if used correctly [with the intent to bring the personality into truth] has its uses...

      GM: Appreciating
      To Be Sure
      "Virtues
      Contemplative"
      "Observed
      Redefinition of the Human Being"

      William: When the virtue of wanting truth rather than settling for deception, is active - this reveals other virtues and these help one in their contemplations of data...which in turn allows for one to re-identify, by abandoning concepts we might have been taught about the nature of who we are, which are deceptive.

      GM: Nonetheless.
      "Love Your Life
      We help each other"
      The Smokescreen called "scientifically unrespectable"
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5En4vfsq18

      William: "The Rule of Fire" I found the commentary interesting when I watched this vid, and that is why I placed the link into the ComList.
      We have to make up the rules of the dominant reality experience based upon our interpretation of the nature of nature. For the most part, this has already been done by our predecessor 'parental guides' represented by the four human power-houses Culture, Religion, Politics and Science.
      The question remains as to whether they were/are teaching actual truth or deceptive fiction in their telling of it to us.

      [The truth is, these parental social institutions cannot even say for sure that this reality experience we are collectively having, is itself, not a simulation.]

      Important to that, it is still something of a Game, regardless of whether it is or isn't a simulation and that is why rules on how to play the Game have to be discovered within the actual Game itself.

      Are these rules being discovered or merely made up to suit the agenda of the power-houses?

      If we are actually within a simulation, how do we know that the rules we are following are the rules of the simulation?
      If we are actually NOT in a simulation, can rules BE discovered, or are we free to make them up any way we so choose, through the device of the power-houses which enable us to do this?

      Since it can be said that concepts of the mind [in relation to the external reality the mind is within] can and do coincide with one another. Therefore, it is acceptable to think that the concepts were discovered rather than invented. The invention has to do with developing devices which assist us with the discovery process.

      That said, if these conceptual things which are discovered within the fabric of the reality experience itself, things like Mathematics, Morality, Measured Motion [time] and Many More - this lends itself to being evidence of the Mindfulness involved re the things we cannot actually physically see, but are there to be discovered nonetheless. = 1159
      [The differentiation was still apparent in the Hebrew mind - but not to the point where Satan and God became separate entities.= 1159]

      GM: "Some information has to be drummed into that which perceives
      Imperishable"
      Well Its A Start...
      ...Until...
      Perspective
      "The stories we tell and what we do with them"
      "A knight in shining armour [an idealized or chivalrous man who comes to the rescue of a woman in a difficult situation.]
      Positive Social Connections"

      William: Well certainly "It's a start" Up until the knight insists of killing the dragon. Another option would be to try and tame it.
      Does the woman's "difficult situation" affect the knight?
      Does the woman's "difficult situation" demand the dragon be slayed, rather than tamed?

      GM: "The Mind is The Invisible Garage Dragon [re Carl Sagan]
      Joy!"
      Earth

      William: Earth being the 'dragon' of the story...at least the one in the garage.

      GM: Remnant [a part or quantity that is left after the greater part has been used, removed, or destroyed.] Seed
      "The Fine Art of Not Being Offended"

      William: So..part of the process of taming the beast, requires some shedding...

      GM: Creatio Ex Nihilo [(Latin for "creation out of nothing") is the doctrine that matter is not eternal but had to be created by some divine creative act.]
      Genius
      You Are Nobodies Victim Ever.

      William: Yes - being offended by something which may well be deception, makes one a victim of the "offensive". The smart thing to do is to be logical in regard to the data of nature. [DoN]
      Atheists support the doctrine of "Something from nothing" as do a lot of Theist Christians. Yet their opposition to one another contradicts itself as one side is saying that Creatio Ex Nihilo proves that a creator mind is unnecessary while they other side claims that Creatio Ex Nihilo proves a creator mind is necessary.
      The truth is, Creatio Ex Nihilo as a concept [which is what it is] doesn't inform us either way but shares the same unnecessary magical quality.
      As such, the concept is more likely a deception than a truth.

      GM: "Make It Up AS You Go Along
      Adjustment"
      "Endemic [regularly found among particular people or in a certain area.]
      Self-compassion
      "Yes We Can""

      William: Just because we can and mostly have to make things up as we go along, does not give us permission to be deceptive about it...there are rules to the Game, and that has to be one of the rules.

      GM: Regarding:
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70902#p1070902

      William: From the link;
      William: Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that.
      GM: "Purring"

      William: Yes - an expression of the feeling of contentment

      GM: "The Mind is The Invisible Garage Dragon"
      "Aleph
      Small
      Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of"
      Military:
      "Put the Teachings Into Practice"
      "There are many levels of consciousness
      That is the truth."
      Anunnaki
      "Higher Self Dream Guide"
      "Getting unstuck
      Add
      Hacking through the subconscious"
      "The Attitude
      Illuminate
      Masonry and Metallurgy"
      "To bring what one is not conscious of, into one’s conscious awareness"
      [Even that it took an actual mind operating with language, to make such a statement.]
      The Original People:
      "All Information Is Channelled"

      8:50

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      A Mathematical Theory of Communication
      https://repository.upenn.edu/cgi/vie...ext=asc_papers

      From the link;
      Claude Shannon’s mathematical theory of
      communication concerns quantitative limits of
      mediated communication. The theory has a history
      in cryptography and of measuring telephone traffic.
      Paralleling work by U.S. cybernetician Norbert
      Wiener and Soviet logician Andrei N. Kolmogorov,
      the theory was first published after declassification
      in 1948.
      SCLx18 + select last LE per shuffle
      Expression of Astonishment - Communication is key - SA Brownshirts - Word2Number Calculator - Copy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osvOr5wbkUw - Rejuvenate - Panpsychism - The Main Points On The Agenda - Having To Learn a Whole Other Language - It is a slippery path of snake-oil. - Illusion - The Human Brain - Living their forefather's conflict - Radical Self-Acceptance - Evaluate. - Text2Num.

      AP= Self-confidence When One is Feeling Tired


      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      9:31

      GM: "In Cell 32 I Found Love In You
      Loving"
      "You Are Provided For
      All The Theories Regarding "The Gods"
      Dreamed Up By Yours Truly"
      Learning To Fly:
      "Hey! look at that! It's uncanny..."
      For The Purpose Of...
      "The Sensation of God's Presence Inside Us"
      The Point
      Holographic Experiential Reality Simulations
      Good Here There Evil
      Close
      Breaking bad habits
      Ness"
      https://forum.philosophynow.org/view...499880#p499880

      William: From the link;
      Tillingborn: If it wasn't aesthetic, what is it about His ethics, integrity and so on that you like?
      Immanuel: Meet Him, and see. Read about Him, and decide.

      If you like, take all the other moral leaders and great people you can think of along for the ride, so you can compare. Bring with you the raging and abusive Marx, the syphilitic and insane Nietzsche, the conquering Mohammed dragging his bloody sword across the centuries, the quietistic Buddha with his enlightened distain for existence, Arjuna with his great and slavering Destroyer of Worlds, bring your imperious Atheists of today, or anybody else you care to bring. Set them beside the Christ of the gospels. And do what I did: compare. Decide whom you will listen to.

      You'll see.

      William: Aye. There is more than comparing notes. There is also comparing experiences. You used the notes to form images in your head. "Oh sweet Jesus!" [said every beloved/besotted follower]

      They are images of gods and nothing more. All in the inner hallucination of you mindset.

      If you meet a real god, you might possibly pooh yourself.

      But then you would have something to throw at it, I suppose. [analogy] Top 10 animals throwing poop at people

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma_LpIcm-Cs
      William: The conversation goes on for a few more posts...
      My mention of "pooh-throwing" is related to a generic Christians intolerance and distain of other religious imagery of "GOD" ... Like an atheist throws 'woo' ...

      GM: Text2Num.
      "Self-confidence
      Core"

      William: Self-confidence Core = 161, as do;
      "And that’s not all"
      Body Intelligence
      Optimum Health
      By the fact itself
      Universal mind
      How to be an adult
      Radical self-acceptance

      GM: Evidence We Actively Collect
      "The Enigma Code
      Chamber Of Self"

      William: The Enigma Code Chamber Of Self = 222, as do;
      The House of Culture
      The Mother and The Father
      Start where you are
      The Enigma Code Chamber Of Self


      GM:
      It is a hard place for flesh to dwell.
      Partial free will is a thing.
      Bond
      Ontology [the branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being. a set of concepts and categories in a subject area or domain that shows their properties and the relations between them.]
      [Divine masculine]
      "Why - in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven - is the age of this universe a necessary matter of contention?"
      [How to get this to happen on a planetary scale is the thing...]
      "Clear:
      There is a mind behind what we call "creation/the universe""
      Neuroplasticity [the ability of the brain to form and reorganize synaptic connections, especially in response to learning or experience or following injury.]
      Can You Imagine...
      International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - The Seed of Origin

      William: From the link;
      smartcooky: You need to take ten minutes out of your day to watch this as you have several of your assumptions wrong...
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9q-7GPQr1Y&t=1s
      NOTE: Do not be put off by this woman's ditzy demeanour. She is very smart, has a BA in Physics, was research fellow at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics after graduating, and spent five years as a science communicator at PBS.

      William: The idea that an infinite inert fabric called 'space' fits in with what Dianna [woman in the video you linked] is saying is 'expanding' - but what may be happening is not expansion but movement of the galaxies which formed through the initial blast and the movement of the galaxies are like ships on the waves of an ocean - the ocean is space and the movement of objects is time.

      Eventually the dust will settle and the fabric of space will once again become inert.

      Also to add to Dianna's concepts - it can be imagined that space is a sphere.

      Inert space is always a potential for 'something' [defined] and is itself 'something'. [undefined]

      When something [defined] causes a ripple on the sphere of space, the energy from the cause of the ripple, creates condensed matter which eventually develop into galaxies, all moving on the wave of the energy of that which caused it to happen, while also appearing to be collapsing into themselves...

      The energy will eventually dissipate and space will return to its inert state - still existing, but no longer influenced by energy, and thus timeless - because that it the state of its inertness. no movement = no time

      Re the sphere of space - Its infinity is related to its shape as a sphere and the inert stuff it consists of.
      GM: The Inception Point
      Egoless
      Anamnesis [recollection, especially of a supposed previous existence.]
      For The Purpose Of
      Radical Honesty


      William: Yes - I made the meme as a type of humor reflecting the criticism from Jehovah's Witnesses re other Christian denominations, who they claim are not 'true Christians' like the JW's are "True Christians" - seeing the funny side of the irony...not so much "throwing pooh" as it is seeing humor and relaying that...although for anyone not informed of the intent, yes - the meme can be read as 'throwing pooh' because when it come to sheep and wolves, that is usually a serious matter...

      GM: "The Brother
      The Angel of the Lord"
      Putting The Pieces Together
      Universe of Wholeness
      "Self-Awareness"
      He Who Waits ~
      Apatheism [The position of someone who is not interested in accepting or rejecting any claims that gods exist or do not exist. ]
      "Belay"
      When One is Feeling Tired
      Imposed Appropriates Observed
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...79953#p1079953

      William: From the link [Re: The Terror of God]
      Diogenes: There is no God, because if there were, he would not have bothered to create the universe or us. Therefore, does not our very existence prove there is no God?

      William: From another thread:

      Compassionist: I think being omniscient and omnipotent would give one free will. Since I am not omniscient and omnipotent, I can't know that for sure.

      William: What process did you use in order to come to the declaration that being omniscient and omnipotent would give one free will/amount to one having free will?

      Compassionist: I realize that if I were all-knowing and all-powerful, I would be free from all constraints and my will won't be determined by my genes, environments, nutrients and experiences.

      William: Let us examine this idea together then.

      I see immediately that if I were all-knowing. I would be constrained by my omniscience.

      Thus I would have no free will in relation to being all knowing.

      Yet - being also all-powerful, I would be able to break free from the constraints of being all-knowing.

      Would you agree with this assessment, so far?

      William: Unfortunately I got no more interaction from Compassionist re this...and now this thread.

      Your Proposition for Debate is something of straw because it failed to add in the aspect of the idea of GOD to do with being all powerful.

      An all powerful GOD [omnipotent] who knew everything could indeed have created this universe, and the existence of this universe goes some way toward evidence which gives us - in our existing - an understanding of why we exist in such an environment as we do.

      Also, your assumption that the GOD would be lonely and terrified and without purpose is what I refer to as "Mirror-Mirror" as one places what one believes of oneself, into the GOD-role and "Hey Presto!'

      What you see is what you get.
      William: The gist being, the universe reflects in its nature, a place wherein an all knowing GOD can experience NOT being all knowing...

      GM: Unfolding Status Quo
      "Raise your frequency
      Boundaries"
      [Neurotransmitters] [chemical messengers that your body can't function without. ]



      William: Raise your frequency Boundaries = 353, as do;
      Like a doting parent Calling the shots
      Simulating large scale structure


      GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73257#p1073257

      William: From the link;
      Diogenes: I do not see the difference between claiming "God has always been" and "the universe has always been."

      William: Do you think then that both claims are or are not intellectually dishonest?

      Diogenes:What is the logic in claiming it is possible for a 'god' to have no beginning and no end, compared to claiming the universe has no beginning and no end?

      William: The logic supporting either claim is that beginnings and endings are not real when they are in an eternal environment.

      In order for one to claim the universe has always existed AND account for observed beginning and calculated ending - we have to include the possibility that the environment the universe is beginning and ending in, is eternal.
      GM: "Little Self
      Friction"
      Preparation:
      "An unending emotional-based loop hard to break away from because of stubbornly held fear-based belief systems...
      Here, there, everywhere a 'bang bang'"
      Limitations or Liberations ?

      10:20

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      William: The questions you ask do not in themselves signify that a Cosmic Mind does not exist. What they ask is IF such a mind does exist THEN by what mechanisms can we establish this to be the case?

      Not having such mechanisms does not signify that human consciousness is therefore, emergent of the brain.

      Goat: Maybe not, but I can show that modifying the brain changes the mind.

      William: I can show that modifying anything changes something. I cannot say that knowing this truth somehow eliminates the possibility that Energy is intelligent.

      Goat: I can not show any mechanism that might allow for a 'cosmic mind'.

      William: The universe itself. What about the universe do you understand, that you can take that off the table and say that the universe cannot possibly act like a brain for the Cosmic Mind?

      Goat: In fact, no one can define this vague Cosmic Mind [CM] in any terms that can be meaningful, except for gobble gook.

      William: This would certainly be true in terms of sheer information held in the CM - such cannot be downloaded into a human brain without serious irreversible consequences.
      However, small bytes over epochs can be integrated with the individuals understanding processes, and the language [of gobble gook] can be deciphered. All on a voluntary basis, of course...

      Goat: I can show medical data that damage to the brain can effect the mind, the personality, and perception.

      William: Well of course we can. The information is more accessible to us but this has no bearing on the question 'do we exist within a creation/is there a Cosmic Mind?"

      Goat: I can not even DEFINE what a cosmic mind is in a meaningful way.

      William: Why not? Is it because you are stubbornly atheist? Or because your brain isn't a capable devise for such purpose? Something else?

      Be that as it may, our lack of device does not in any way preclude that a Cosmic Mind does not exist or that we do not exist within a creation.
      _____________________________________
      050722
      Unity with our Collective Self
      Nature being the very instigator

      SCLx9 + select last LE per shuffle
      The Eigengrau Mind Screen - Seeds are evidence that something large can derive from something tiny. - Beaming Out Beaming In - The dynamics of consciousness - Plus - Boyhood fascination with the bullet and the gun All those john Wayne movies said the good guys always won Comic book commandoes glorifying war Violence was the answer but it isn’t anymore - Embarrass - Dilatory [slow to act. intended to cause delay.]

      AP= "What we resist, persists " Your Dream Team

      [The Individuals Relationship With The Father
      Opening ourselves to real love and intimacy
      Otherwise, hell nor high water can change one’s mind.
      "What we resist, persists " Your Dream Team]

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      7:43

      GM: "Be Led
      Fearlessness"
      "That Sounds Like a Worthwhile Plan"
      "The Sister
      Move On"
      "Mapping Wholeness
      Courageous"
      “Three worlds and three deep mysteries” [In Penrose’s metaphysical framework, there are three forms of existence or “worlds”: the physical, the mental, and the Platonic mathematical,]
      [The Friendship Between A Grey Wolf And A Brown Bear]
      "Playing Chess"
      "Mother Earth Harmony ~
      No Risk
      Tickling The Dragon's Tail"
      Be Aware Of Your Thoughts
      "Dilatory"
      What we resist, persists
      "The Neutral Zone is the vaster reality of non-judgementalism
      Essentially, we are Gaia in Human Form...
      A Place To Create Art"
      Does evolution shape our senses to see reality as it really is - or not?
      The Source of All Creation?
      [A question asked by those not wanting to know the answer]
      "Purring"
      "Shaming
      The Generated Messages"
      {I Suppose That It Is Possible]
      Chamber Of Self
      Emotional validation
      et merda
      Raise Your Vibration
      Ontology [the branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being. a set of concepts and categories in a subject area or domain that shows their properties and the relations between them.]


      William: Clearly this system of message generating has proven to be beneficial to my learning deeper things...it is a very helpful device, I am finding...

      GM: Three Fish
      International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - The Seed of Origin

      William: From the link;
      Myriad: That's actually a rather nihilistic view.

      William: Well I am simply bouncing off of one popular theory of the universe -where that theory has the ending of said universe in entropy - so yeah...


      Myriad: If the initial singularity contained the absolute sum of all data, then the subsequent evolution of the universe can add no additional data.

      William: Not necessarily - small variances can be created by changing the way in which it unfolds...from the way it unfolded in its prior lieftime.


      Myriad: Therefore it accomplishes nothing, and has no possible purpose. (Kind of like a similar problem with a hypothetical creator god who is omniscient, and therefore cannot learn anything or experience anything new, and thus has no reason to actually create anything.

      William: Exactly - except that being omniscient would be the very reason WHY the creation of the PU was engineered - as a means to escape the omniscient condition.

      And observing said PU, we can understand that it would be a great thing for that exact purpose.

      A physical manifestation of a mental projection...the same would apply to the "many eternal universe theory" which J. Richard Gott explains...only with variety...and timelessness [since these are eternal - go on forever even that they all have beginnings...which would be a better way to do it if one would never have to suffer from omniscience again...always having something new to learn...
      GM: Reality
      Please process this word using your Name2Nunumber list.
      "Even in the very quintessence of the individual.
      It’s a living thing"



      William: "Even in the very quintessence of the individual. It’s a living thing" = 662 as do;

      "The future is not crystal clear - we choose the future now and here "
      "Trying to change the world fails for one simple and unavoidable reason"

      GM: Central Purpose
      We have discussed
      "Incarnation
      Synchronicity
      Circle"
      [The Soul Eats Experience]
      Integrity
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...75865#p1075865
      Observe
      Further
      “Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail”


      William: Which is unchartered territory...

      GM: [Variety of Expression
      All Information Is Channelled.
      Spiritual Preparedness
      Eternal Loop Fun/Joy Awake
      The Evolution of morals. ]


      William: All discovered through pushing at the boundaries...map-making...

      GM: "Your Dream Team
      Coincidence"
      “What separates privilege from entitlement is gratitude.”
      [Putting My Finger On It]
      "Matrix
      Put the Teachings Into Practice"
      "Lyricus designs, transposes, and installs galactic Tributary Zones to a planetary system"
      "I am always open to being shown any evidence which supports that Idea"
      "Discernment
      Maneuver
      Vehicle"
      "I hear thee hear thee..."
      "Thoughts
      Conspicuous" [clearly visible. attracting notice or attention.]
      "A question asked by those not wanting to know the answer"
      Constructors and tasks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYc97J2MZIo
      The Mind Behind Creation
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70902#p1070902

      William: From the link;
      William: From my own understanding [self awareness] what occurred was that humans forgot what they were [Spirit-breathed into biological matter] and identified only with the flesh-container and thought of themselves in that way - much like non-theists think of themselves as 'nothing more than chemical reactions of the brain'...or how some Christians think 'flesh that will be resurrected and given the ability to never die.'

      Apparently these two views can both be biblically supported so perhaps the different authors were writing from the bias of their particular beliefs on the matter.

      If one researches OOBEs and the like, one will find that practically everyone who ever experiences such, identify as being 'spirit' - a biblically supported idea, as you have pointed out - something biblical Jesus spoke of as a truth.

      Those Christians who do not believe such a thing, often critique OOBEs and the like as 'demonic deception' a type of religious equivalent as the woo-slinging "delusional" which non-theists love to use to 'explain' why such experience doesn't fit with their own particular beliefs about what they self identify as being.

      Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that.
      GM: "Origins
      Extend Beyond The Borders of Institution"
      https://i.imgur.com/MQgtoxO.png?1

      William: In this case "The Borders of Institution" are the nervous system...it generally picks up an interprets the data it is exposed to and there are limits involved in that process, which physicist and other scientists are now speaking about re "Spacetime is doomed".
      Going beyond what is normally experienced re the human nervous system...alternate experiences as in OOB et al

      GM:The Roles:
      "The future is not crystal clear - we choose the future now and here"
      [Welcome all experience]
      [It is a good sign when Joey Knothead cannot argue against the evidence you present]
      The Symbol of Love
      Fugacious [tending to disappear; fleeting.]
      "No Risk
      Behind The Veil"

      8:14

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      Tanager: How does there not being anything outside of GOD make it impossible for GOD to create something new that is outside of GOD?

      William I thought you agreed that there is no outside of GOD.

      Tanager: An infinite regression is logically impossible.

      William Not to GOD.

      Tanager: Why not? How can even GOD do the logically impossible?

      William How can it be logically possible for GOD to create anything outside of GODs self?
      Furthermore, a simple code [The Mandelbrot Set] looped on itself produces a visual example of
      - not only infinite regression but also infinite progression, so it is obviously not logically impossible.
      More likely it is a case of being conceptionally difficult...but not logically impossible, as the Set gives us clear evidence of.

      Tanager: The idea of Creatio ex nihilo is exactly the same as the idea of Creation being built from something that already existed.

      William In other words, the thing that didn't exist before, was created from the stuff that has always existed.

      Tanager: That is not creatio ex nihilo at all. The ex nihilo expressly means that it wasn’t built from something that already existed.

      William But we know that it was built from something that already existed. GOD.

      Theists would identify the energetic action as GOD [overall - regardless of religious undertones trying to superimpose their favored image of GOD onto the Energetic Action] and Thus we have Energy = GOD and QF [material] being another aspect of GOD [because there is nothing outside of or apart from GOD].

      Tanager: No, that’s you identifying what we identify as something different in such a way. I see no reason to believe your identification is accurate.

      William No. To be clear, I said "Theists" not "Theists who believe a particular image of GOD"
      You have no apparent reason to believe my identification is inaccurate.
      ...

      The answer of course, from the position of Theism, is "Yes - the Energy is intelligent."

      Thus, "The Energy" is what theists refer to as "GOD."

      Do you agree with my assessment?

      Tanager: I do not. If “Energy” is something distinct from its typical meaning, then it’s less confusing to call it something like “spirit”. I believe GOD is spirit. The spirit is intelligent. The energy that makes up our universe is not intelligent.

      William It is what it is. You are saying that energy is not the same as spirit, but clearly no attributes in both are different. One is just thought of devoid of intelligence while the other is thought of as not being devoid of intelligence.

      Clearly, neither theist or atheist belief re that has proven itself, so the Natural-Neutral position is to understand that both/all labels re "Energy" and "Spirit" are speaking about the same thing, albeit, differently, depending upon the position one is speaking from.

      Either the creative force is one of intelligence or it isn't.
      _____________________________________________

      060722
      As there are relative truths, there are relative freedoms.

      SCLx10 + select last LE per shuffle
      The Story Timeline - Collective Soul - Multidimensional Beingness - The Enigma Code - An Elder Race - "The Message Generating Process allows for said Mind to speak for itself, and show itself to exist. As such, this is adequate evidence - the sort of evidence a sceptic calls for in relation to the subject of Intelligent Design." - Incredible Variants - Shine Your Light - "Opinion is that which has yet to be established as a matter of fact" - Do not allow the illusion of separation to rule one's behaviour -

      AP= The Symbol of Love Temporary

      [Mutual Dutiful Expression
      Condescending Ideas About Imagination
      Debating Christianity and religion
      Don’t hide your Generated Messages
      Imposed Appropriates Observed
      The Symbol of Love Temporary]

      RSP = SCLx2 + P&P + re

      6:55

      GM: He Who Waits ~
      "Do not allow the illusion of separation to rule one's behaviour"
      "The Symbol of Love
      The Fine-Tuning argument"
      Breakthrough!
      "The Smallest Spark Can Start a Fire"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...69825#p1069825

      William From the link;
      William Firstly, let me thank you Diagoras for showing us exactly what lengths a non-theist will go to, to render a useful thing into a useless thing.

      What do you think we are working to do here exactly? Build and then send a space telescope to a certain position a million miles away from the Earth?

      [Search: How many people work on the James Webb telescope?
      NASA estimates that 10,000 people have worked on the mission...]

      Keep it simple. All we are trying to do is allow opportunity for interactive connection to happen between the individual and The Universal Mind, as a means of providing evidence that there is indeed such a mind.

      Keep it simple.
      GM: Is the mind a construct of consciousness?
      International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - [Split Thread] Randomly Generated Messages

      William From the link;
      xjx: If I just look at the generated portion of the messages, all I see is randomly put together phrases. Now, if I put some effort and got creative, I could find a way to tie them all together into some semblance of coherence.

      WilliamThus, it is established that as long as GMs are coherent, they can be interpreted. Only non Coherent GMs are unable to be interpreted.

      Example of none coherent GMs which first have to be decoded before any interpretation is possible:

      CODE SCHOOL: TOP SECRET COMMUNICATIONS DURING WWII

      Which is why I am skeptical when folk tell me they see no coherency in the GMs I present.
      GM: Heart Teachers
      ”‘Hey presto!’ Stuff just gets worse!
      While We All Wait....”
      Radical compassion
      "Shining light
      Success
      Antic"
      Journey to wholeness
      "Choose What to Pay Attention To"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...37619#p1037619

      William From the link;
      Lately some of us have been arguing from three differing positions is which the bible can be used to defend all three. All three appear to agree that each individual has a "Soul" although there may be disagreement on what the exact function of a "Soul" is.

      [1] A "Person" is "Spirit" and temporarily exists as a human being until the body dies then that "Person" enters an afterlife and is judged by "God" and is condemned or saved. Those saved go to "heaven" and those condemned go to "Hell" - or in some variances on this, are "exterminated".

      [2] A "Person" a "Human being" and when the human being dies, that is the end of that person unless "God" judges them as "saved" in which case that person is resurrected and given a new body which will last forever more.

      [3] A "Person" is an eternal Spirit in human form and when the body dies, that Spirit immediately moves to the next phase and either knowingly or unknowingly creates for their self, their next experience, based upon a combination of mainly what they believe, what their overall attitude is and what they did in the previous phase.

      Often any different position which opposes another might logically mean that they both cannot be correct, assuming one or the other is true.

      Both [1]&[2] fall into this category as they cannot both be true. [1]&[2] also both agree that [3] is false.

      However, [3] Can be true without making the other two false.

      And [3] - just as with [1]&[2] can be backed by the bible, depending on what parts of the bible one uses to do so.

      The bible is interpreted throughout, based upon which position [1][2] or [3] is being used to interpret it through [the filter].

      If [1]&[2] oppose each other but can still be "proven" by using the bible, then this makes the bible something of a contradiction.

      But if [3] - although different from [1]&[2] does not oppose either [1]&[2] and can still be "proven" by using the bible just like [1]&[2], then [3] takes away the contradictory aspect of the bible which [1]&[2] create by being in opposition.

      Question: Would it be fair to say therefore, that [3] is the best position to assume on the overall biblical script to do with the subject of the next phase [afterlife]?
      GM: The sort of evidence a sceptic calls for in relation to the subject of Intelligent Design.
      Act With The Situation Rather Than Against It
      Inner critic
      “I do not exist to troll for any religious idea of "GOD"”
      "Down through the ages - dark in the gloom Many convinced it will all end in doom The Galactic Garden is forever in bloom"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81499#p1081499

      William From the link;
      If we examine the idea that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain - a fundamental argument of the atheist position, because it does away with the necessity of their being a Creator-being involved in the unfolding process of this universe, how does Agnosticism work with that idea?

      Emergence theory has become a necessary part of the atheistic creed to maintain support for the argument deriving from lack of belief in gods. The hard problem of consciousness is 'solved' for the atheist.

      Why Agnosticism is more reasonable than Atheism, is because an agnostic can entertain other ideas which are not suppressed by the notion of emergence, and thus are free to explore as possibilities, re the same hard problem of consciousness.

      For example, Agnosticism allows for the notion that the Planet Earth could act like a brain, as can the Milky Way Galaxy, and indeed, the whole universe.

      So if someone were to pitch the idea that the whole universe might function as a brain, an agnostic can take that idea and compare it with the idea that consciousness is emergent of brains, and accept that it would therefore be possible that consciousness emerged from the activity of the universe-brain.

      This idea can then embrace aspects of Theism as well, given Theism went the other way, and thought of the universe as being emergent of consciousness, generical referred to as "GOD"
      [I am using capitals to distinguish between "God" as Christians refer to their idea of this universal consciousness and the more expansive idea of a Cosmic Mind.]

      Agnosticism can therefore combine the two [supposedly] opposing concepts with relative ease, and from this accept as possible, the notion that the universal mind is a product of the universal brain.

      Within this notion, it can be accepted through Agnosticism, that through the emergence of this Cosmic Mind - it may have developed self awareness, long since adapted to its predicament and proceeded to take over as it learned how to uses its existence to influence and shape matter at the fundamental Quantum level.

      This in turn, also lends itself to the Theistic position, as there is plenty of time for such to take place whereby the Cosmic Mind could have worked out how to create biological life forms on this Planet.
      GM: Benefit of the Doubt
      One can commune with the gods as long as the overall subject is God 😊
      Anterior Commissure [a white matter tract (a bundle of axons) connecting the two temporal lobes of the cerebral hemispheres across the midline, and placed in front of the columns of the fornix. ]
      "All systems go!"
      Feel The Fear And Do It Anyway

      William Thrills and spills...

      GM: That is Correct
      Between
      Remember/Memories
      "The picture unfolds like silk in a loom Silhouetted by Diane are the witch and the broom If she is the bride - who is the groom?"
      Process
      Precipitate [cause (an event or situation, typically one that is undesirable) to happen suddenly, unexpectedly, or prematurely.]
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70048#p1070048

      William From the link;
      Try a little Kindness


      "Any God-Mind claiming to be responsible for human beings existing, is going to have problems to deal with re that"

      William: Morning has broken...is there kindness motivating some acts of the Mind of Nature which are considered to be 'evil' by many humans?

      It is neither good nor evil - Emergent - The World Wide Web - Before The Beginning - Worry/Anxious - We have discussed - Consider This - The Shadow - Christ

      AP="That is because every day, I am adding to the data - and it is a slow and sure process."

      That is because every day, I am adding to the data - and it is a slow and sure process = 717
      It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god. = 717
      GM: If You Must Believe - Believe This:
      "Tickling The Dragon's Tail
      Just Be - All Else Will Follow"
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qx9QdCNoqc
      "Despite all the dangers, Hess lands safely"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73457#p1073457

      William From the link;
      GM: Animistic
      Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views.

      William: It would be a step in a better direction than the one humanity is currently projecting.
      The shame we carry about being the human animal does have its reason for being, but we have to - as individuals - rise above the shame and understand the fuller picture - what was done was natural enough and can be forgiven in that context but without the forgiveness, there are only repetitive patterns of shame based expression into the shared reality.

      GM: ~Ooky Spooky
      Inner critic~
      Destination
      William This would be in line with how some folk experience alternate realities. There is a connection between how one behaves as a "Self" through how one sees oneself, and spooky [frightening] experience had by those who report them.

      GM: Temporary
      Vagitus [a new-born baby's first cry. 2. the crying or screaming of any baby or small child.]
      "The Double Slit Experiment
      Proven"
      The Hierarchy
      https://forum.philosophynow.org/view...578410#p578410

      William From the link;
      Machines and morality

      William: The simplest explanations for why we are here and what we are doing...

      “Beyond our ‘ape-brained meat sacks’: can transhumanism save our species?”

      The unreasonable effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences...

      Does;

      [The hard problem of] Consciousness + The [biological] Human form = the co-creation of transhumanism [as an evolving science with a particular purposeful motivation]?

      (Will morality be necessary, should this vision evolve into this reality?)

      IF:
      Consciousness + The [biological] Human form = the co-creation of transhumanism
      THEN:
      Should it be understood that any purpose which might be involved from the perspective "we exist within a creation" to do with the creation of the Human form, have to do with taking things a step further [re transhumanism].

      iow "Did GOD create the Human form for the purpose of the consciousness co-creating through the Human form, to eventually be able to create non-human form [not strictly biological re transhumanism] in which to experience this universe through?"

      NOTE:
      By the use of the word "GOD" I am not referring to any religious image of said entity, but the overall generic meaning, re Theism as a whole.
      GM: Nothing More - Nothing Less

      William From the Natural Neutral position, the unfolding story of humanity [warts and all] have to do with the devices they create as a means of understanding and manipulating their environment.
      To what end? Best I can tell - to make use of the situation they find themselves within, building device for various purposes which help them to overcome the limitations nature places upon them...thus transhumanism is a Natural part of said process...as surely as the devices created as from the materials of Nature.

      GM:Putting My Finger On It:
      "Most folk need moderating.
      Keep an Eye On"
      "Connect
      Centre of Learning"
      "Catching up
      Joyful
      Future Self"
      https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83338#p1083338

      William From the link;
      William Point being, we don't know.
      Bust Nak: And yet that doesn't stop you making grandiose claims about time itself ending.
      William I made no such claims. I stated that time is a construct of the mind and does not physically exist.
      GM:"Of The Human Being
      Eigengrau
      Everything Gets Old"
      [The Fine Art of Not Being Offended
      A Bit Of Cat And Mouse]
      Victim/Vampire Energy Exchange
      "To Experience All That Is
      A Beautiful Song"
      For the benefit of all beings
      "The only thing the Holy Ghost is unable to forgive, is that which individuals are unable to forgive of themselves"
      Learn Well
      Sweet Vibrations

      7:36

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