Emerging Drugs

[ElijahJones]

I thas recently come to my attention that Salvia A. an hallucinogenic plant from Mexico is fast becoming the new rage among trippers nationwide. If you are thinking about trying Salvia I recommend strongly that you do your research. Here is one recent article I found on it. http://www.longislandpress.com/?cp=162&sho...ticle&a_id=4377 I am reminded of the similar rise of LSD in the sixties. First touted as a gateway to invisible worlds it was later revealed that large doses of LSD and frequent use could completely destroy a humans ability to function. Since the trigger threshold for hallucinations with Salvia is quite high extreme caution should be used while experimenting with this legal hallucinogen. Consider your safety first! Just because something is legal does not mean you wont end up in a hospital or psychiatric ward. My advice is love yourself enough to leave it be. There are plenty of lucid experiences to be had without drugs. Drug Free Lucidity

[MSG]

Yes this a very good point and i think that even htough nobody's responded to it it deserves at least some recognition. Just because something is legal does not mean you wont end up in a hospital or psychiatric ward.[/b] This is very important. Even some presctiption drugs are being abused. Ive noticed some happenings of ritalin, adderal, and other ADD-prescribed stimulants being used and abused at school. Some say it will fade... i say there is nothing to make it fade so we must raise awareness and this post is a good thing.

[Gwendolyn]

But it has to be said that anyone who uses any drug excessively is putting themselves in direct danger.......If you go making things illegal, just because it alters your conscienceness you will make people very angry. In counties where petty drugs are legal, drug problems are not as prevailant as, say, in the US. We spend more money on prisons than we do on schools. Anyway, if you use it, excecize caution. Do it, then spend a while thereafter figuring out how to get there without the drug.

[wtrskirocks]

Maybe the drug shouldnt be legall untill we know if its safe. as cliche as it is: Better safe that sorry.

[Roller]

Maybe the drug shouldnt be legall untill we know if its safe. [/b] What, you mean safe like Tobacco and Alcohol? lol

[DoctorNick]

Don't knock it until you try it. Your archaic conservative rationalism just doesn't cut it these days, communication technology linking us to Papua New Guinea on our asses in the USA. It is common to folks of various rainforest cultures to smoke all sorts of plants with hallucinogenic substances in them and they have a functional society. I hardly see anyone addicted to hallucinogens. Methamphetamines, certainly. You want to see a messed up person, look at anyone 3 days in withdrawl after a 3-day methamphetamine binge. There's some bad shit! Spend the anti-drug breath on stuff like that. The worst you'll see of someone who smoked salvia for three days is greater attention to nature, perhaps slight skepticism, and/or a deeper spiritual side. That's if the person even has the interest. Just this cuts off a lot of the hallucinogenic drug using population. It's because salvia is mystical. A "shamanistic drug." Produces visions. Who cares?; if you're not interested, don't do it. If you are, a few times won't do much to send you into a psych-ward, though there is the 1-million chance that you have some adverse reaction which rocks your psyche. When does this psyche change become apparent? Jim Morrison, Timothy Leary, and Hunter S. Thompson are all known to have been decidedly different from "normal" people because of their hallucinogenic drug use. What pain were they in our country's side? Only the negative connotations of the word "drug," though we forget that the very aspirin, Tylenol, Advil, Aleve, or whatever you so happily reach for to save you from that oncoming headache, are roughly similar in function to the psychoactive chemicals of salvia. Look at what is going on in the pharmaceutical industry! We're convincing everyone that they have "ADD/ADHD," so we put them on Adderall (amphetamine). You go to a boring job and sit in front of a computer all day so as not to piss off your manager, while the guy seven levels up the company hierarchy from him is playing golf making six times the salary of the guy who has the power to terminate your source of income. Oh and you are depressed? Have some of the good ole' Huxley "soma" to cure your "negative attitude" and teach you to enjoy your life. Face it man, millions are suckered by the pharmaceutical industry, or the government approved drug dealers. Then there is the obvious alcohol and tobacco industries, making big money off of addicting their customers. The point is, if you really give a rat's ass for that about which you warn, and you really want to do something about it, then you're preaching to the wrong crowd. Hallucinogens should be the least of your worries.

[Matchbook]

I'll just hold up a verbal mirror to what DoctorNick just said. (Most of it) Salvia is not known to be physically dangerous. It has been used for many many years by shamans; it's been around much longer than LSD, that's for sure. Yes you can risk some amount of psychological trauma from having a bad trip off it, but lasting problems are extremely rare. Some people are willing to take those risks, good for them, and best of luck. Most of the physical harm from Salvia would only come from freaking out and hurting yourself (jumping out a window). Most hospitalizations occur because a sober person believes the person is possibly out of their mind or dying, or the delusional tripper freaks out and asks to be taken there. Salvia... It's a great drug for certain things, but it's NOT a good recreational drug for most people. You shouldn't be doing it daily like some people do with pot. It will not receive the same status as LSD did back in the day. It's just not that type of drug. You can't go to a concert on Salvia unless you want to be taken away by men donning white coats.

[themindsi]

Originally posted by Roller Maybe the drug shouldnt be legall untill we know if its safe. What, you mean safe like Tobacco and Alcohol? lol [/b] HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! No drug should be made illegal "until we know it's safe". What does safe mean in this context anyway? Safe from exploring our own consciousness? I don't think so. It's a load of shit how they illegalize psychoactive drugs like psilocybic mushrooms, peyote and marijuana, to name a few. Synthetic drugs though, should have no place in the hands of civilians.

[themindsi]

Doctor Nick (do i *know* you?) and Matchbook have got it pretty much covered, but I want to agree and add a few things. Salvia is not, I repeat NOT, for recreational everyday use. Some people think that Salvia is just a stronger form of marijuana, and they are seriously wrong. Salvia can have a wide variety of effects on people. I myself have tried it several times and enjoyed each most thoroughly, though I haven't experimented with what would be considered a hefty dose. My best friend recently smoked what anyone familiar with the substance would consider a very potent dose, and had an experience where she crossed over into a other dimensions of the universe. Although the entire experience was really mindblowing, from what she conveyed to me, and somewhat scary, she thought it was enlightening. A high point of her experience: she skipped over into a dimension where she was quote "not supposed to be", she saw three beings who made up the different waves of her life. she then was surrounded by "at least a thousand other me's", when suddenly one of them started laughing, motioned to the others and said "HAHAHAHA, look! One of the *her name here*'s actually *thinks* she's having a REAL LIFE!" Amazing! To me at least, if you actual believe that entheogens can really put you in contact with the true self and give you a real picture of reality. BTW, I read that stupid article the other day. Fucking dumbasses. They don't even know what Salvia is, nor that it's not some new craze. Salvia, like DoctorNick said has been used by indigenous tribes and cultures for so long that we have no actual records of when some of the usage began. Oh, and another thing, that guys prices were outrageous! I'm thinking of growing my own before this suppressive society trys to make it illegal.

[scorpifly]

I have done quite a few drugs in my time (still do, from time to time). I pride myself on having tried almost every drug you can get in florida. But Salvia, is by far the best one to date. Any long term problems? Who cares. This drug is so wonderful, that I would say to anyone and everyone, try it. I could describe how it will afect you, but that is part of the experience. It is unlike anything you have ever done before. Try it now, before so politician does, then decides to tax it like ciggs or alcohol. Trust me.

[Dangeruss]

Keep salvia illegal until we can prove it's safe? Who will do the research? And hasn't science proven that cannabis is one of the safest psychoactives out there? The truth is, you're inhaling burning plant material, and governments across the world think that's reason enough to declare it unsafe. We all know what we're doing to our bodies. If you're looking for an emerging drug to crack down on, quit turning a blind eye on DXM and inhalents. I heard a few weeks ago that some girl died by depriving herself of oxygen to get high. The truth is that a drug person isn't concerned with the long term effects. Propaganda against our lifestyle is everywhere, it isn't like we don't know the risks. "No sympathy for the devil, mind you. Buy the ticket, take the ride."

[Merck]

Someone mentioned keeping Salvia illegal until we find out it is safe. Well there is no such thing as a safe drug and I am not just talking about recreational drugs either. Every drug that the FDA approves has side effects and risks associated with it. People interested in any kind of drug should first be educated on the negative aspects as well as potential uses of the drug before even going near it. The reason recreational drug (except alcohol which IS a drug) is illegal in the first place is because of irresponsible people using them in a way that could be dangerous to other people. Salvia is not some random thing you just decide to smoke for the hell of it because it could end up bringing you to a place you would rather not be (psychologically) and even though the effects of it are very short (much less than an hour), it isn't something to be taken lightly. In my opinion it will probably become another casualty of the "War on Drugs" which has become a multi-billion dollar industry.

[scorpifly]

The only real reason drugs are illegal in america, is because the goverment has no way to tax them. Think about this, do you know what a tobacco seed looks like? Of course not, the goverment has them under their control. There is no way that john q. public can grow their own tobacco, but weed, now thats a different story. My guess is there is only 1 out of 5 people in america that doesn't know what a pot seed looks like. Hell, you can spend 10$ on a dime sack and get enough seed to start you own weed business. Back in the first days of america, when taxes was not the most important thing on the govs mind,weed was legal.

[Dangeruss]

hey you're right.. what the hell does a tobacco plant even look like?

[Ynot]

http://www.regals.net/tabaco/tobacco.JPG

[Dangeruss]

now there's a fun photo!

[Universal Mind]

Elijah, hello. I remember talking to you about salvia back in July and how you were shocked that it is legal. I have done a lot of research on it and found nothing about permanent effects exept that there aren't any. A great deal of research says the same thing about LSD. I don't do either at this point because I have had a problem with drugs in the past, and to quit doing even just one drug you're addicted to, you have to quit them all. I also believe that top level lucid dreaming puts all psychedellic drugs to shame. Salvia divinorum is presently not a popular drug. I got a hold of four batches of salvia last summer. I got one by ordering it on the internet, one by making a two and a half hour drive to Oxford (Local Color head shop... the only place in Mississippi where it can be found for retail, that I know of-- probably because America's salvia research supply field is in Oxford), one from my sister who lives in Oxford, and one from New Orleans. The stuff is very scarce, even though it is legal. It is becoming popular because of the proposed legislation. That is how drug popularity works. When it becomes illegal under federal law, get ready for an outrageous fad to boom. That is what happened with alcohol (which had to be made legal again because of the chaos the war against it created, which are the same problems caused by today's war on the other drugs), marijuana, and all of the other ones. I am a huge supporter of fighting drugs on the demand side through intense education, but I think fighting drugs on the supply side is a backfiring absurdity. If politicians would just shut their mouths about salvia, it would get nowhere. The danger of salvia is not overdose. It is also not addiction. The stuff can scare the Hell out you, and that is what happens to most people who do it. There is an element of chaotic fear with everybody I have seen try it. It totally warps your understanding of reality. When you accompany that mental chaos with an intense anxiety attack, what you get is people wanting to walk around the room and solve whatever the problem is, which they can't put their fingers on. My recurring anxiety had to do with Sesame Street characters in the room trying to destory reality. That is where any level of danger can come in. You have absurd anxiety while having no concept of up and down, here and there, or even this object and that object. This can have people falling down flights of stairs and walking through windows, not that I have seen it yet. Most people just sit there, grab their heads, and act like they are riding the world's scariets roller coaster. If, God forbid, anybody ever takes a puff of that stuff while driving a car, plan on a crash. However, anybody who has done the stuff can tell any new user exactly that. As long a user just sits there, there is not danger, and that is almost always the only thing the user has the guts to do. In summary, salvia has its dangers, but they can be very easily avoided with just a little bit of knowledge. And attempts to make it illegal will only turn it into a craze. It is also very weak compared to lucid dreaming and other natural mind exploration techniques. I thought about lucid dreaming a few times while on salvia and could clearly see that I was nowhere near that high level of consciousness alteration.

[WindsOfPlague]

Originally posted by scorpifly The only real reason drugs are illegal in america, is because the goverment has no way to tax them. Think about this, do you know what a tobacco seed looks like? Of course not, the goverment has them under their control. There is no way that john q. public can grow their own tobacco, but weed, now thats a different story. My guess is there is only 1 out of 5 people in america that doesn't know what a pot seed looks like. Hell, you can spend 10$ on a dime sack and get enough seed to start you own weed business. Back in the first days of america, when taxes was not the most important thing on the govs mind,weed was legal. about time a guy knows his shit..

[WindsOfPlague]

Also, smoke salvia out of a vaporizer. Its like 100times more powerful when vaporized. wayyy better than any of the 40x or even 100x

[Universal Mind]

I did 5x, 7x, and 15x. Strangely, 5 was the strongest, 7 was the second strongest, and 15 was the weakest. 7 was the most hallucinogenic, but 5 was the most chaotic and intense.

[WindsOfPlague]

Thats quite strange. Have you ever thought about taking a 25x or a 40x? Im sure you after that you will change your idea on 5x being the strongest still. There is a mixture you can make with the leaves of slavia that makes the trip last hours on end.

[Levi1057]

Ok a few fun hints from the stoner noob on the forum Salvia is not a substance that should be delt with lightly. All hallucinogens, in my opinion, should not be used as party drugs. Though I have a strong opinions on the fact that they may help in certain way with the development of the psyche. There not for everyone. I agree with Scorpifly that everyone should try it once, and I stress once. If your thinking about trying salvia, or any other hallucinogens, there are a few things you should make sure of before embarking on what could be the greatest journey of your life. 1. Always make sure you have some one around that has done the substance before. They can be a great asset and help you to keep your thoughts positive. If applicable have a few (2-3 max) close personal friends along too. 2. Always make sure you are in a comfortable, stress free, environment. 3. Take the substance seriously. Not to be offensive to any one, but I tell others to take “it” like a catholic takes communion. Give the experience the respect it deserves. 4. Moderation! To much of a good thing can harm you no matter how safe or legal it is. Be responsible.

[one-small-speck]

A several hour Salvia trip? Damn....how does one go about brewing up this recipe? About that vaporizer....are you smoking the extract, or just the leaves?

[Merck]

Originally posted by scorpifly The only real reason drugs are illegal in america, is because the goverment has no way to tax them. Think about this, do you know what a tobacco seed looks like? Of course not, the goverment has them under their control. There is no way that john q. public can grow their own tobacco, but weed, now thats a different story. My guess is there is only 1 out of 5 people in america that doesn't know what a pot seed looks like. Hell, you can spend 10$ on a dime sack and get enough seed to start you own weed business. Back in the first days of america, when taxes was not the most important thing on the govs mind,weed was legal. People can grow corn in their backyard but I don't see the governement restricting its posession or distribution.

[wombing]

Originally posted by Ynot http://www.regals.net/tabaco/tobacco.JPG i went to costa rica last year, and a tico showed me his tabacco plantation, with the most recent batch of his crops drying. then he hand-rolled me a cigar just had to share that, hehe.