Thread: What Is Your Political Party?

Republican, pretty much. Well, conservative republican. Kind of ironic to see those words next to a not-so-conservative avatar, but I increasingly find that the alternative is to be a crazy Michael Moore lover with conspiracy theories shooting out your eyeballs. Well, just kidding, there's a lot of perfectly fine people (and there are other alternatives to a Republican stance that do not include Michael Moore), but ideas like "get rid of all the guns!", "George Bush is a complete idiot!" and "Capitalist is a synonym for pig!" really tick me off, mainly for their narrow minded stupidity.*

Although rest asurred I don't pick my political stance based just on what others are picking. I like the ideology too. I think it makes a whole lot more sense than any other I've seen. So sue me.

* This said, I am not American, so we don't even have a "Republican" party here in Ye Olde England. Still, the rest of the world seems to have its two cents about George Bush, so me too!

I guess I'd consider myself Independent since there are things associated with the Republican and Democrat parties that I both agree and disagree with.

Gay marriage... I'm a bit torn. I do believe if two people love each other, then there's nothing wrong with getting married. However, I don't feel it's appropriate for a gay couple to raise children. Even though they may love the kid to death, there is no good substitute for a mother and a father that a gay couple can adequately provide. Plus, can you imagine the torment that poor kid will go through at school having for having gay parents? School kids can be ruthless and cruel, often times creating self-worth problems for the victim that last many years beyond school, and it's not fair to predispose a child to it. And I don't think home schooling is a good alternative since it strips the kid of proper socialization skills that only a school environment can provide.

Gun ownership... I'm for it. Actually, I'd like to buy a hand gun soon, after we move into our new house. I'd also like to get a CCW permit, just to have it. Not like I'm going to carry around a gun everywhere I go, but going through the classes and learning about weapons would be a good skill to have. The only gun I've ever used was a 12 gauge shotgun, which I used to go hunting with my dad. I grew up in a rural area where it was weird if you didn't have a cabinet full of guns in your home. I do think that strict backgrounds checks and paperwork is necessary for buying a gun, because I don't feel that people who have been arrested for gun-related crimes should be allowed to own one after that. They burned their bridge - it was their choice, and now they're SOL.

i voted for the communist party in the last election for a lark, knowing it would never win...i was one of only a couple dozen in my riding, hehe.


i'm libertarian realistically.
anarchist idealistically.

the smaller the governement, the better. i believe the "right to self-determination" which is supposedly granted to "peoples" should be extended to the individual instead.

Independent.

Like Burns, I don't have a problem with gay marriage--though I'm staying back from the gays with children bit right now.

Abortion, I'm somewhere in between. Morning after pills and things like that, I've got no problem with. I'd even favor late term abortions in some cases--incest-caused pregnancies result in quite a bit of harm to the baby, often enough. Birth defects and all. In rape cases, I'd also favor abortion, though on a personal level, I'd encourage adoption. So I'm not for a full and complete ban on abortion, but I think that late-term abortions for reasons like, "I just don't want the baby" shouldn't happen. I mean, the procedures at that point are pretty gruesome, and typically, if birthed at that moment, the baby would survive with modern medical care.

On gun control, I think that we need tighter regulations controlling guns, but I'm against banning them outright.

Most other issues, I vote liberal, but if the conservative side makes sense, I'll vote for it.

Anyway, what's people's opinions on the upcoming 2008 US election?
I was pretty sure that after Bush I'd be voting for the Democrat, but if things keep panning out the way they are, I might just vote Republican. If Clinton runs on the Democrat ballot, I won't vote for her. Period. I don't like, or trust her. Hopefully in the primaries she'll lose, but I get little say in that thanks to my independent registration. Ditto on the Republicans. If they field a bad candidate, I won't vote for them.
I'm really hoping McCain runs for office though--He's one Republican who I still trust, and I certainly would prefer him over Clinton if that's how the election turns out.

yah...wait im not american, but I dig what wombing is saying about self-determination and anarchy idealistically.

Self-autonomy is great too!

remeber that whoever you vote for the government always gets it

Independent.

I'm for whoever finds it in their heart to fuck us the least. :neutral:

I agree with Burns and Tsen on the gay marriage and gun control issues, and with Tsen on the abortion issue.

As far as the upcoming election, I don't know. I think I'll have to keep watching the events leading up to it and see who I decide on.
I don't think it will be McCain though. After his telling a crowd full of american people that he would offer $50 an hour to anyone of them who would go sign up to pick lettuce for an entire season because he knew "They Can't Do It," he's really got me questioning what's going on inside of that head of his. I doubt I'll be voting for Clinton either, because, like Tsen, I don't trust her. After using her little "The White House is being run like a plantation," comment to win over the black audience (at the NAACP speech, I think it was) I'm a little more aware of her PR tactics and I know she's got a Lot going on between those ears.

Registered Independant.

I'm good with gay marriage, gay people raising children, abortion, and the morning after pill.....When it comes to freedom, people should have as much of it as possible.....I don't mean, that they should be able to abuse certain priveledges or have the freedom to committ murder and such, but when it comes to human rights issues like these, I'm all for them. Perhaps I should have registered as a liberatarian, like Bob did....

Yea, I say if your not hurting anyone you should be able to do anything you want. A lot of people call that anarchy, no its not anarchy. Its called freedom.

Socialist in idealism, anarchist in practice, and I vary when it comes to registration. To me, the difference between republicans and democrats is republicans screw you. On the other hand... democrats screw you.

I'll probably register democrat 2008 just because well... there's mostly the same old crap in the reoublican candidates coming up, but with Democrats Hilary Clinton is raising and obscene amount of money, when the only people who support here are from New England and the Pacific Northwest, if she won the primaries she'd prove money determines victory, and the fact is she would never win a presidential race. As Jon Stewart put it about describing her frown during someone speech (I think it was Bush) "That is where boners go to die!" Yeah, so I'll register democrat 2008 to keep certain people out of office, namely Hilary Clinton and Joe Lieberman. On the other hand, if a democrat won then in 2012 I'd register Republican so I could keep some of the more Hitlerish candidates out.

i would consider myself an independent.
my main belief is that people should have the right to do as they please as long as they don't harm anybody or infringe on anybody else's rights.

i am pro-choice. i believe gays should be able to marry and whatnot. i am pro-gun rights because i really believe gun laws only stop law abiding citizens from protecting themselves and because i believe the people should have protection from their government no matter how far fetched it may seem. i'm against the war in iraq and i don't like bush, just like any other president in modern times. i'm anti-globalization and somewhat anti-capitalist, the zapatistas in mexico have an interesting movement and serve a good example of how i think a community or country should be governed and maintained...by its own people, not rich politicians

i probably will not vote for any major candidate for president simply because of my thoughts of the political system in the US. i will never vote for any candidate of any kind who considers themselves tough on drugs because i am completely against the war on drugs.

i agree with you oneironaut i was skepitcal of clinton at first but once i heard that plantation comment come out of her mouth i knew i would never vote for her

Generally "apathetic," but I would have to go with Republican.

Generally "apathetic," but I would have to go with Republican.[/b]

aren't you repeating yourself?

Originally Posted by wombing

aren't you repeating yourself?
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LMAO. Very funny.

Me? I'm a National Sociali--uhh...nevermind.

Just kidding. I go straight conservative though. Not necesarily Republican but, yeah.

Hitler was a conservative. Attila the Hun was an independent.

Jesus was a Socialist.

I'm a member of a four-person political party with an entirely secret agenda and no public affiliations. In other words, I do what I want.

Originally Posted by Leo

Jesus was a Socialist.[/b]

Wouldn't He be an autocrat? Or a theocrat?

Nah, I think "socialist" fits him quite well. Give all you have to the poor and all that jazz.

Over the years I most consistently find myself siding on the Republican side of issues and I am registered as a Republican.
However I would never vote a a straight ticket just because I am a republican. that irritates the crap out of me. Be informed. If you don't know then don't vote on that issue or person.
So I vote for any party depending on their credentials.

Originally Posted by Burns

Gay marriage... I'm a bit torn. I do believe if two people love each other, then there's nothing wrong with getting married. However, I don't feel it's appropriate for a gay couple to raise children. Even though they may love the kid to death, there is no good substitute for a mother and a father that a gay couple can adequately provide. Plus, can you imagine the torment that poor kid will go through at school having for having gay parents? School kids can be ruthless and cruel, often times creating self-worth problems for the victim that last many years beyond school, and it's not fair to predispose a child to it. And I don't think home schooling is a good alternative since it strips the kid of proper socialization skills that only a school environment can provide.

Gun ownership... I'm for it. Actually, I'd like to buy a hand gun soon, after we move into our new house. I'd also like to get a CCW permit, just to have it. Not like I'm going to carry around a gun everywhere I go, but going through the classes and learning about weapons would be a good skill to have. The only gun I've ever used was a 12 gauge shotgun, which I used to go hunting with my dad. I grew up in a rural area where it was weird if you didn't have a cabinet full of guns in your home. I do think that strict backgrounds checks and paperwork is necessary for buying a gun, because I don't feel that people who have been arrested for gun-related crimes should be allowed to own one after that. They burned their bridge - it was their choice, and now they're SOL.
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You & Onirenaut are sooo on the same page as I.
Where are you guys in this --->
http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/index.php?...mp;#entry334411

Originally Posted by Amethyst

Wouldn't He be an autocrat? Or a theocrat?
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I was yanking their Chains... reminding them, if they ever knew it in the first place, of the Sermon of the Mount.

But, yes, if one were to classify the politics of a King of Kings Messiah, one would perhaps call him a Theocratic Imperialistic Monarchist.

Could actually be the Best Form of Government, but that would entirely depend upon the details of how the Bureaucracy would be formed up. A Meritocracy open to objectively selected talent would represent the people as much as they need to be represented, while assuring that the affairs of State and Society are handled with intelligence and professional experience and care.

Anything would be better then the system for legalized bribery that Democracy has turned into. After all, if Democracy is so great, why do Rich Republicans want it to become a World Wide System? If the likes of them think it is so GOOD, then us ordinary people should be just a bit suspicious.

Look at America Democracy. it ran a rich guy who never got better than a C in Social Studies against a guy who couldn't beat a guy who never got better than a C in Social Studies. Duh, do you think the Nominating Process might have been rigged.

People forget that while they get to VOTE they don't have DICK to do with the nominating process.

In a Bureaucratic Meritocracy, if you can PASS THE TEST then you can serve at the highest level you qualify for.

In such a System, George W. Bush couldn't have qualified for janitor.

Look at the mess he has made of Iraq.... and now of Beirut.

jesus was a Bushian republican because his policies relied on acts of god in order to work.

heh russ

yah how come christians often vote republican? The bible I once read from made Mr. Jesus out to be socialist and fairly left. It makes me think of all rightwing christians as a joke? maybe a christian republcian can explain to me why they arnt a joke?...


btw Leo is what you are suggesting similar to Plato's hypothetical ideal of Philosopher Kings in that Kallipolis place? (although I always thot plato may have been a little biased claiming philosophers should be kings...)

well I did just read something on digg about how certain christian churches hand out "voters guides" which "all but endorse republican candidates." As the story went, some pastor spoke out against the whole practice of indoctrinating one's flock to acheive political goals, and his congregation began to WALK OUT ON HIM! Not only that, but the big bishop came down and booted his ass a few days later.

I'm a registered Independant, but If i had to choose which party I'm most like, I would be a conservative Libertarian. I'm not an anarchist, but I do believe the government has greatly overstated its power.

Additionally my views on economics vary, as most people know me to think very capitalistically in the outside world, realisticly, I would love to see a more communistic system put into place when it comes to technology and the proliferation of data. For example, I believe that no government should have control over the internet's content and that anyone should be allowed to contribute to the infrastructure. I'm against software patents as well. If companies want to make their money, they should do it by providing services on this platform, not by creating proprietary software.

I am beginning to ramble a bit. I'm a supporter of gun rights, private land ownership (my fucking township called a vote whether to restrict the building rights of the airport here by attempting to purchase it under eminant domain, the stupid assholes in my town voted it in.. property taxes are shooting through the roof now and they don't even realize that they can't be guarenteed that expensive land they think they own), and banning abortion.

I read an earlier post in here about churches telling people to vote for someone. I'm sure in some cases that is true, but the majority of the time they are telling parishoners to NOT vote for people who support such things as abortion and embryonic stem cell research as it goes against the very core of their beliefs. To them, supporting such things is genocide in every sense of the word. I won't argue other people's beliefs but if you see for instance, a candidate for office going "I'm a proud Roman Catholic" while saying "I support Pro-Choice" they are a lieing sack of shit. Sure most politicians are, but to go around saying that you are a part of a group when in reality you go against its core beliefs is unforgivable. The Churches should be ashamed that they don't practice what they preach by not denouncing these people.

I don't care what your beliefs are, you just don't do this. I do believe in a seperation of Church and State, however I am against the removal of such things like "In God We Trust" from my country because even if one is not a believer, it is true that back then, the country did have ideals and a reason for breaking off. If we lose our history, we lose our reason for being the country we are.

I also believe the State has no right to ban gay marriage. While I don't believe in it and find it a little nasty, the US was a free country. I see no reason why they should be persecuted because of sexual orientation. I also don't give a damn if they call it unions or marriage or whatever.

I hate that I now have to sign to get a friggin box of sudeffed when I'm sick. I hate my fucking state, New Jersey... it is the SHITHOLE of the United States. The average IQ of the residents of this state ranges somewhere in the 60-70 range as demonstrated by its shit government and wasted money. Plus I seriously think this state is THE terrorist hideout for the US. US GOVERNMENT, IF YOU ARE READING THIS PLEASE STOP SENDING US MONEY, SEND SOME FUCKING BOMBS AND WIPE THIS SHITHOLE OFF THE MAP.

Some final notes... I don't hate the president, I just think he made some shitty decisions and that's it. I almost feel bad for him. This war was going to happen whether or not he was president, we may have avoided it, but what then? Would it have given countries like Iran a chance to develop weapons while our eyes were diverted from them? Its something that can't be answered. Regardless, I don't think the war is near being over and I assume it will escalate to include Iran now. It's too late now to go back to being an isloationist country, WWII marked the end of that. Its a shame, and the hippies will cry out and claim there is a way for peace... I wish I had that hope, no.. the world is spiraling downward, things will only get worse before they get better.

Sorry for the long post, I just get annoyed when I see things the way they are now, and really.. what the fuck can we do now? The only, and I mean ONLY answer to that question is fometing a revolution which will only tear the world up more now.... we need an ideal again, the country is losing the fight for God as an ideal so what do we goto next? Do we declare genocide?, do we leave the war and let them pay us back years down the road? These are things I don't think anyone here can answer, right now the next few years are pretty uncertain.

Damn this is so OT.. I hope I've said some things of meaning to you people.

I don't care what your beliefs are, you just don't do this. I do believe in a seperation of Church and State, however I am against the removal of such things like "In God We Trust" from my country because even if one is not a believer, it is true that back then, the country did have ideals and a reason for breaking off. If we lose our history, we lose our reason for being the country we are.[/b]

First off, it wasn't as big a part of our history as people try to portray it. Jefferson was disgusted with Christianity (He rewrote the Bible because of this--he liked the philosophy of Jesus, but thought that Christians had done a great job of thrashing Jesus's intentions beyond recognition). Franklin was a Deist, not Christian. Washington never attended communion, and while he was relgious, he distanced himself from religion often times because he disliked the constant quarreling between churches. Adams was big in favor of separation of church and state, and emphasized that the US was "in no sense founded upon the Christian religion". James Madison feared organized religion because of the attrocities committed in religion's name.
In fact, it wasn't until Jackson that America had a president that supported organized religion. Even then, Andrew Jackson firmly believed that the state ought have nothing to do with religion.

So, the "In God We Trust" bit really isn't paying homage to the founding fathers and making the split from England. Though, admittedly, I'm not too upset about the "In God We Trust" on currency. I'd rather that wasn't printed on our money, but I can live with it.
It's just things like the Pledge of Allegiance, with the "Under God" added that bug me. "Under God" was added by Eisenhower in 1954 to distinguish between us and other nations, specifically the "Godless Commies". It wasn't there originally, and it has no reason to be there.