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for all you people tragically not born in the USA, affirmative action is a policy in which a minority (often less qualified) gets a job before a white person soley based on race. Needless to say this really pisses me off.
My idea is that am employer should get a group of portfolios and choose from the list and choose. Simple as that.
It doesnt make sense to hire somebody who is less qualifies. You should choose the person most qualifies, which makes a better business.
Thoughts.
I was under the impression that affirmitive action was when two applicants were EQUALLY qualified, the job had to go to the minority. either way, its friggin bullshit.
You racist! (joking)Quote:
Originally Posted by Hominus
Actually, I believe it only applies when two people of equal qualifications are vying for the same position. There used to be quotas that needed filling, but I think that was done away with because of unfairness issues.
I actually think that affirmative action is a good thing. No matter what the average white male thinks, racism still affects who gets a job and who doesn't, so it's only fair, IMO, that the playing field should be made even. That's the whole purpose of affirmative action. It's not to give minorities an advantage over majority persons, it's to give them an equal chance.
We're still ironing out the details to make sure it really is fair, but I think it's a splendid idea overall.
I actually don't think people (usually white males) who disagree with affirmative action are racist, per se, but they often have a misunderstanding of what affirmative action is actually supposed to do and why. The only advantage lost by a white male, in this situation, is the unfair advantage. It's not like white males have been placed in a position of disadvantage, actually... they just have to compete where they used to always win for unfair reasons (you're a male and you have pink skin).
i suppose we sould give a contract for the LA lakers to a midget because theres not enough of them that play basketball!!!! Hey, what if he's got "mad ball skills"?
I have personally seen instances where a less qualifies black got a job over my white friend. My friend went crazy and :sniper: the employer and the black guy. Now he's serving 25 to life.
just jokin. But he did get beat out by less qualified guy.
.................its all Abe Lincoln's fault. What as asshole :bigteeth:
In Mississippi, lots of luck getting a state job if you are white. If you are a white person with a family to feed and want a state job, save yourself a lot of time and effort by taking your fishing pole to the pond. Government enforced racism is flat out despiccable.
If anybody wants to come at me on that with something about how my "people" owned slaves, let me go ahead and tell you that my "people" were living in Ireland after slavery ended, except for the ones that were Native Americans. Also, I am not responsible even for what my parents do, much less my great great whatever grandparents that I never even met did. And even if I were, I don't owe anything to people who have never even met a slave.
I think people should be judged by the content of their character, and qualifications in the case of employees, not the color of their skin. Employers consider a whole lot other than educational and work histories, which are diminished when they result from affirmative action. So it should be up to the employer to decide who is more qualified, not the getevenwiththemists.
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I find it hard to believe that black people are so incredably unqualified to do well paid jobs, like in the USA. They allso suck extremely much in being in politics, I guess that I why they hardly are in them.
And yes, I am going to call your racist. I do not allways agree with positive-discrimination, but it is less fair then how good ol' america handeled things in the 50's.
okay
The most qualified sould get the job. O....wait.........YOUR A FUCKING COMEE!!!!!!! Of course you dont agree with that.
And dont bring up our past. Countries change. I mean, hell, you were under nazi control for a while. Now you are not (you're welcome).
Now that's just wrong. You can't take all the credit. People went through hell to survive in different places of europe. In concentration camps, forrests fighting trying to survive and free themselves. And now, you make it sound like a victim, you sound like you yourself went to Europe and saved us, you did no such thing! Don't do that, and I mean it. You dishonour everybody who died in WW2, died or survived. You make me sick. THIS IS NOT A GAME OR A COMPETITION!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hominus
And stop with the comee... you are the most ignorant, childish person I have ever seen. I don't want to be racist here, but you sound like a normal american, full of propaganda.
The russians were in berlin before you were. You were beaten by commies (inrightious self-proclaimed commies, but still commies). You fail sir.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hominus
And the most qualified should get the job, for that is best for the economy. However in america that doens't happen as fast, if you are black. To even out your racism people just have to make some other rules that seem unfair, but at least now everyone is getting discriminated equally. That is the idea.
and thats how it starts.
Germany had Europe. The only reason Russia made it to Berlin was because Hitler diverted nearly all of his forces to combat us. Dont fuck around. Russia or not, you were fucked.
I dont dishoner peope who die in wars. How dare you say that about me when you have no idea who i am or what i am thinking.
What about the 500,000 american deaths? We attacked and drove Germany back. Your country was DEFEATED in hours. Meaningless militia or not, Germany had you. We liberated you, with help from the English. Me just saying that doesnt mean i dont care about your countrymen that died. But i do care a hell of a lot more about American deaths.
O, and by the way, you are not racist because American is not a race. I'll just stick to calling you a jackass
Peace
And bonsay, you are just like a propaganda filled European.
America kicks ass hard core so stop with your childish whining.
I was just making a point. And I'll do my best to ignore you from now on. How do you dare say who had controll over what. You don't know what went on here. You think that some peasants fought with pitchforks and shovels. Well it wasn't like that. You don't know so shut up about it.
You are just a stupid fool... I mean OMG Read a book, the only reason you could penetrate through Normandy was because all of the Hitlers forces were fighting in the east.
(speaking in the name of my slav brothers, you're welcome)
Yugoslavia was liberated by partisans... we only got a little help by the Red Army at the end of the war.Quote:
...Meaningless militia...[/b]
The only American soldiers that set foot on our soil were the ones we liberated from Italian POW camps.
HA!!!!!!!!! 3;!
we had over 400,000 ready soldiers to storm Normandy. Dont think your little battles did much. It was the English who truely helped us.
OMG read a book.
Do you eaven know where Yugoslavia was? I never said we had anything to do with Normandy. I just said we liberated ourselves.
And yeah...the English did help much. They threw guns and bombed stuff for us...cuz we didn't have planes. :wink:
they were fighting in the east, huh? Yea, they were, against Russia, which really wasnt a formitable opponent. Russia could not have stood up against the Nazi army for long. Sure, Nazis could not have taken over ALL of russia, but once moscow was taken it would be over for Russia.
And england would have been conquered as well. Leaving Europe under complete nazi control.
OMG!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hominus
In the time Allies attacked Normandy, the Russians were already pushing the Germans back. The Germans stood no chance in Russia because of winter and lack of winter clothing and supplies. Here is some reading for you. You sure need it. http://www.onwar.com/maps/wwii/eastfront2/index.htm
Germany fucked itself over. They tried to attack Stalingrad in the middle of the winter. The Russians were prepared and the Germans were not. They left. They werent "pushed back" in the leteral sense of the phrase. Russia was never really on offence until the Normandy invasion.
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Originally Posted by Jess
You're assuming that all employers are going to look at the color of someones skin, which is false. the vast majority of employers are going to look at who will do a better job. THAT IS WHAT THEY CARE ABOUT. MONEY. And about the small amount of discrimination that does exist, well honestly, if a white man gets a job over a black man when they are equally qualified, simply because he is white, guess what, maybe the black man should just give himself an advantage by becoming MORE QUALIFIED. instead of crying to the damn government, why not just simply do everything in your power to make yourself look better. that, in my opinion, is a splendid idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by dreammask
A racist for not supporting racial discrimination? Wow, that makes tremendous sense. And it was white people who were discriminating against black people in the 50's, so you owe all black people because races are not composed of individuals. Send a check to the black race at their organization headquarters. And send me my communism check too. I want my fair share. Since I am part Native American, I owe myself. I like your attempt at logic, racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
You still don't get it do you? And you call other people slow minded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
no bonsay, he is thinking on a deeper level than you are.
You did not refute his argument at all, you just insulted him.
He is thinking the way he wants to think. But he really has to learn when to stop (communism checks, common :| ....) . Yes I know I wasn't very nice, just all this arguing makes me like that. :blue:
I beleive afirmitive action is alright to an EXTENT. It should be ended soon. If you go to school and you do the work you can get thew same education as jut about any other person in this country (especially living in california or new york). I dontthink it was a bad idea, it was with all good intentions but its gotten very out of hand. I think there should be a time limit and the law should end at a designated date. I would say anouther 20 years is more than fair.
DAY NEVER FINISH'D, MASSA GOTMA WORKIN'
SOMEDAY MASSA SET ME FREE
SUN BEATIN DOWN WORKIN ON DA COTT'N
SOMEDAY MASSA SET ME FREEEEEEEEEEE
Slaveowner: "so u heard about that whole emancipation proclamation thing right? well, ur free! But we're cool, right?"
oh yeah and heres a thought... we won the war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hominus
america: 1
germans: 0
(jews: -6,000,000)
i dont really like the whole idea of this. with affirmative action it is almost promoting an implication that we were not all created equal. that if there are two people who are equally qualified for a job, you must choose the minority for fear that that person may be offended.
the truth of the matter is, that maybe (even if you were equally qualified) you might be declined from a job application simply because your employer doesn't like your personality. this isn't to imply they don't like your race, but maybe they don't like the way you talk. maybe it just sounds unsophisticated which, unfortunately, the hip-hop and rap scene promote. again: im not targeting anyone in particular with this example. as we all know, its defenately not only blacks and hispanics that listen to rap/hip-hop.
i feel that it is up to the employer to choose who he would like for the job, without fear of being accused to racism. its just unfair.
edit: w00t!
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these jokes in no way reflect the opinion of mountain or his affiliates and subsidiary corporations, and as such he is immune from all whining, bitching, complaining, lecturing, the pointing out of ignorance, awareness raising, lawsuits etc. if you would like mountain to stop making racist jokes, he in turn would like you to go f*ck yourself.
not liking a certain race of people and not liking gangbangers is completely different. gangbangers intentially go out to hurt another person.
continue reading if you wanna hear a politically incorrect joke:
what is the difference between a pile of dead babies and a ferari?
i don't have a ferari in my garage :yumdumdoodledum:
edit: thats not gunna get me in trouble is it?!
I guess I could complain about you for bring up totally unrelated topics, but I am not a pussy, like you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
And as I have said before, sometimes benefiting a race that is being discriminated by society (like black people in america) kind of makes it a bit more even. Really you can't deny that black people have equal chances in america, try to hold a cab if you are black.
Yes, you are a pussy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo
1. You are from Holland.
2. You refuted none of my arguments.
3. You are from Holland.
You and Bonsay are both pussies. I will list some questions that you and Bonsay will not have good answers for. I predict that you will give absurd answers that involve rationalizations and side stepping, while Bonsay will not even have the guts to answer them.
1. I am part Native American. My people stole land from my people. How much do I owe myself, and which one of me should get a job first?
2. Affirmative action is about discriminating for and against applicants based on race, and it is government mandated. How is affirmative action not government enforced racial discrimination?
3. Are white people ever discriminated against in the United States (Don't forget about affirative action.)?
4. Do all white people engage in racial discrimination?
5. Should people be judged by the color of their skin?
i have a question about this "law." if the person hiring happened to be a minority (say african american) and there where are white man and a black man applying for a job with equal qualifications who would they be required to pick? i know techniquelly the black man is the minority, but couldn't it be considered racist if he chose the black man > the white man?
basically this "law" doesn't make any sense at all and, again, is just further promoting inequality.
edit: btw Universal Mind :goodjob2: on those questions. they present a good arguement (no offense Neruo and Bonsay)
The law promotes an inequality to limit an already existing inequality. There is a similar law in France, they call it "Discrimination positive", so there goes the answer to your question. And of course, affirmative action makes sense only if the two applicants have the same qualifications, otherwise we would end up having gangstas presenting the 6 o'clock news.Quote:
Originally Posted by Casualtie
This is my two cents. "Affirmative action", a policy which has an equivalent in my own country in relation to Maori and Polynesian, is a bullshit racist idea.
The core idea behind affirmative action is to promote opportunities to races which, on average, have a lower socio-economic position. So, It's racist to dole out opportunities on the grounds of RACE.
What we SHOULD be doing, if anything, is favouring those who come form lower socio-economic backgrounds, rather than race.
By merely thinking in terms of "disadvantaged races", we are being racist. We're using the superficial and politically loaded concept of race to single out people for opportunities, when what we SHOULD be doing, is doing so on grounds of socio-economic status.
This was, disadvantaged people would be benefited regardless of race. And, since certain races have on average a lower socio-economic status, they will be benefitted more, but not on terms of race.
These laws are hands down racist. There's no two ways about it. Such laws legislate the selection of a person over another person due to RACE. In other words, it's legislated racial discrimination. PERIOD.
It's offensive and it's hypocritical. The concept is to fight racism by legislating racism. Idiocy and nothing more. To reiterate Universal Mind, many of us would like for a world free from racism. It's fully unfair and downright insulting to discriminate against a race simply because in the past members of their race were largely racist. Maybe we should strive to eliminate racism, rather than making more, ya know?
My, those are familiar words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
Yeah but the point is. Too many employers are white men and racists that would rather hire another white man than a Latino as new Employee. JUST because he is white. Maybe the Latino man had better working skills, but due to racism many employers give their Jobs to their ''Race-mates'' Kind of sick but that's how it often works. In America, In the Netherlands. Racism is far from being only history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hominus
To counter that, and to give folks from ethnic minorities equal chances, the Government could only force that uppon the Racist Employers by a law: Affirmative action.
Is it fair for the non-racist white guy that doesn't get the Job because afirmative action gave it to, an otherwise chanceless, latino man? Or a black man?
No the point is it's not fair for non of them. And if it wasn't for Airheaded Racists this wouldn't have been nececairy to give Ethnic minorities equal chances in the first place.
No I think they should hand employers a couple of CVs with skills and degrees documented of the different people applying for their Job you offer. A name, Picture or Ethnic Origin should NOT be specified on the CVs.
The employer has to pick one of the Employees offering themselves for the Job based on their skills & Degrees only. Once he's hired them he should be able to see wether he hired a black dude, a white dude or a Latino dude...Just so he can't Racially judge them uppon hiring them :wink:
Then there wouldn't be any afirmative action needed.
Why are there no mods around when you need them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Universal
And I am really getting tired of you. You clearly are a subborn amerifacist. I suspect some major traumatic event in your childhood caused this.
The land-stealing was bad. Yet it happend. All good that can be done now is to make sure everyone gets treated equally and gets equal rights. Black people do not have equal chances, I can give you that.Quote:
1. I am part Native American. My people stole land from my people. How much do I owe myself, and which one of me should get a job first? [/b]
The actions you call racist are done from a non-racistic-ideology. They are trying to make things even for the people there were and still are being discriminated. If all americans stop discriminating black people and immigrants and such, then and only then they should stop giving the people that are getting discriminated equal chances.Quote:
2. Affirmative action is about discriminating for and against applicants based on race, and it is government mandated. How is affirmative action not government enforced racial discrimination? [/b]
What are you going to do. yell "thay took ur jubs!!1".
No white people pretty much have a monopoly on both wealth and political power. White people are not being discriminated.Quote:
3. Are white people ever discriminated against in the United States (Don't forget about affirative action.)? [/b]
Please do explain a bit further, I do not mean what the goal of your question is.
Before 1900, all people. In the fifties, just about all. Today, still alot. However the white people are still reaping the benefits of the weath their white ancerstors gained over the backs of black and mexican people and such. You ca not deny that white people do not have most of the money in america.Quote:
4. Do all white people engage in racial discrimination? [/b]
You are still missing the point. In your way of thinking, why would a serial killer be put to jail or death? He just killed a few people in the past. That was then. And why should the family of the victems get any money? Not like They had anything to do with the murder directly, did they now?Quote:
5. Should people be judged by the color of their skin?
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However if you let him free he would probably kill again. If there were no morals and laws like this, white people would still have enslaved black people. That is the point. Basicly we are still playing the family of the victems some money to ease their grief. And guess what, like in your law system at the moment, that is coming out of your wallet, your tax money.
Thank you again for you obsession with my country. I wish I could say I am that way about... what's it called? I guess it is fascist to be against racist policies. You make good sense.Quote:
Why are there no mods around when you need them?
And I am really getting tired of you. You clearly are a subborn amerifacist. I suspect some major traumatic event in your childhood caused this.
[/quote] The land-stealing was bad. Yet it happend. All good that can be done now is to make sure everyone gets treated equally and gets equal rights. [/quote]
So how much do I owe myself?
[/quote] Black people do not have equal chances, I can give you that. [/quote]
That is an invalid generalization. We have 300 million people here, and you are doing some vast generalizing. That is the mentality behind racism. No wonder you support it.
[/quote] The actions you call racist are done from a non-racistic-ideology. They are trying to make things even for the people there were and still are being discriminated. If all americans stop discriminating black people and immigrants and such, then and only then they should stop giving the people that are getting discriminated equal chances. [/quote]
We are all individuals. Racism does still exist, and it comes from individuals representing every race. White people are discriminated against too, and you support that. I am against racial discrimination, 100%. You are not.
[/quote] What are you going to do. yell "thay took ur jubs!!1".
No white people pretty much have a monopoly on both wealth and political power. White people are not being discriminated. [/quote]
I live here. It does in fact happen. It has happened to me. Racism comes in all colors. Your mind is so narrow. I asked you if white people are EVER discriminated against, and you said NO, and then made another generalized statement. You are on mars if you think the only racists on Earth are white.
[/quote] Please do explain a bit further, I do not mean what the goal of your question is. [/quote]
Which word did you not understand?
[/quote] Before 1900, all people. In the fifties, just about all. Today, still alot. However the white people are still reaping the benefits of the weath their white ancerstors gained over the backs of black and mexican people and such. You ca not deny that white people do not have most of the money in america.
You are still missing the point. In your way of thinking, why would a serial killer be put to jail or death? He just killed a few people in the past. That was then. And why should the family of the victems get any money? Not like They had anything to do with the murder directly, did they now?
However if you let him free he would probably kill again. If there were no morals and laws like this, white people would still have enslaved black people. That is the point. Basicly we are still playing the family of the victems some money to ease their grief. And guess what, like in your law system at the moment, that is coming out of your wallet, your tax money.
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You have lost your mind. Before 1900, ALL white people engaged in racial discrimination? False! Have you ever heard of the abolitionist movement? Have you ever heard of white people helping with the underground railroad? Have you ever heard about the ticket Abraham Lincoln ran for President under (the end of slavery)? Lincoln got elected under that, by the way. Have you ever heard of white people being killed for helping black people before 1900? That happened a lot. You have no appreciation for the sacrifices so many people made in the past. You are just wrong. Do some reading.
You are also trying to treat a race as though it is a person. You want to punish an entire race for what certain individual members did in the past. That is illogical and racist. Every person is an individual. Don't ever forget that. Understanding that is the cure for racism. But you support racism, so why would you care about that?
What the black slaves in America went through a long time ago was horrible. Every slave owner should have been shot. However, the black Amerians of today benefit from it by being free people in the world's wealthiest country. If you take all of the black people in the United States and treat them as a nation for financial statistical purposes, they are in the top ten richest nations on Earth. If reparations are necessary at this distant point in time, then there they are. Let me assure you that no African country is having a problem with too much immigration from the United States. Why might that be?
Hey universal mind, you are a retard with aids :)
really stop trying to make me look like a racist, what I am not, for I am not american (joking :)) But really, get your fist out of your ass and learning how the qouting and editing system of this site works would be beneficial to your credebility.
Intill that time, read your own posts, I can't see how they can not make you wonder.
Those sound like the words of somebody who just lost a debate. What a coincidence. I can't believe you think people should be treated according to the color of their skin. Any way, good game... loser. :bigteeth:Quote:
Originally Posted by Neruo