Thread: North Korea

Originally Posted by Howetzer

Although it is not a confirmed Nuclear explosion at this point, I think that Kim Jon ill has made his point, whether it be by way of conventional or nuclear weapons .

Should N. Korea be sanctioned or do they have a right to obtain nuclear weapons?

What options are now available?
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Um, honestly.... what will the sanctions do? We have been sanctioning them for years. We have been telling them that they can not have a nuke for years. They don't care and they are thumbing their nose at the US and the UN.

I think that North Korea setting off a nuke makes Iraq that much more ridiculous. We topple a nation because we "think" that Saddam "might" have WMD's. Yet, North Korea has said that they have nukes and now say that they have detonated a nuke and we are all about the sanctions. Not to mention how up in arms we are about Iran wanting nuclear technology. They claim for power, but we "think" otherwise.... meanwhile Kim Jon is setting off a nuke.

What to I think we should do? I honestly have no idea. We aren't threatening war at this point because it would be a much harder fight than we faced in Iraq. North Korea is obviously going to do whatever they want. It seems pretty obvious that we are beyond the point of diplomacy at this point. It really seems like strategic bombing with the permission of China and Russia would be one option. As long as they are on board, we ..... most likely.... wouldn't trigger WWIII.

After their failed missle tests, I would doubt that they could hit us with a nuke. They may be able to hit us with a low yield conventional weapon, but that is about it. So, we would have to have a pretty solid strategic bombing run.

And of course, if we bomb them.... you can pretty much kiss Seoul goodbye. It is pretty well known that Kim Jon has enough artillery aimed at Seoul at all times, that in the event of war he would pretty much just wipe it off the map. And we can't take out all of the Arty, because it is entrenched in caves out of site.

So.... I think we are honestly just going to continue to sanction them and hope his country collapses from starvation, which they are on the brink of. And then you have the problem of what will he do with his nuclear tech while his country collapses?

All in all, just a cheery situation.

To be honest every country should have the rights to possess the nuclear product. Why not? It's a discrimination, France, GB, USA have them and what about the other countries?
But yes we should have in mind that USA, France, GB are the civilized countries, I HOPE so. But North Corea?
Its leader is insane, dangerous and obsessed with the power gaining...who would ever trust such a deplorable creature? I wouldn't.

Originally Posted by Rav1

To be honest every country should have the rights to possess the nuclear product. Why not? It's a discrimination, France, GB, USA have them and what about the other countries?
But yes we should have in mind that USA, France, GB are the civilized countries, I HOPE so. But North Corea?
Its leader is insane, dangerous and obsessed with the power gaining...who would ever trust such a deplorable creature? I wouldn't.
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I do agree that they should have the "right" to make nukes because lots of other countries do other wise it seems unfair.

BUT the question is can we trust them? (I don't mean to seem prejudice towards them).

Originally Posted by NeAvO

I do agree that they should have the "right" to make nukes because lots of other countries do other wise it seems unfair.

BUT the question is can we trust them? (I don't mean to seem prejudice towards them).
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Of course, any prejudices are always wrong. We only expect to live in a normal world, not threated by fanatics. But while such countries like North Corea are unwilling to negotiate in the terms of common sense, then we're supposed to keep control over those feelingless tyrans.

What exactly is the definition of "confirmed"?

The nuke explosion has been registered on several world seismographs, and pinpointed as originating from North Korea. This IS confirmed. An announcement by North Korea is not needed, and not likely, especially given that something f%$&ed up during the test, and they got a much smaller nuclear explosion than hoped for.

Now, as for what should be done:

North Korea is deliberately defying the UN and the international community. But why is it doing such an apparantly suicidal move?

Well, let's look at the example of Iraq.

When faced by American diplomatic aggression, Iraq maintained a policy of "appeasement", similar to that of the Allied powers in the opening months of World War II: reluctant compliance to the UN's demands, the latter of which were largely a result of American pressure. This "appeasement" was all but ignored by America, who proceeded to attack anyway.

In the case of North Korea, America set its cross-hair on North Korea, and begun talking up the possibility of some form of conflict, in the same way that they are currently doing so with Iran. This is to bring the public around to such a move, and create the same responses that seem to be coming out in this thread.

North Korea is very well aware that any "appeasement" will nevertheless be talked down and ignored by the US. So, instead, they have decided to openly defy America, the UN, and the world. A show of stubborness, aimed at, hopefully, deterring any invasion or war...

Though this is certainly a very scary move, perhaps it is the only option left to Kim Jong Il if he wishes to stave off American invasion?


However, I think it is unlikely that America will invade, given the huge problems this would cause with China. Cold War Mk2, anyone?

Now, this is just me, but if the US is going to throw its weight around, I'd much rather they did it against Iran or some other middle-eastern country, rather than get involved with a country so dangerously close to the only other world superpower, China.

How many of you have ever backed a dog into a corner, leaving it no way to escape?

I fear the same thing is about to happen now that happened with Japan before the start of WWII. Increasing sanctions on this guy is going to make him even more desperate. Sanctions are OK, but we must leave him a way out and to save whatever face he has left. Anything else will only reinforce in his mind that he must attack.

Don't get me wrong, this guy scares me... A LOT! It's not so much him using the bomb on someone as selling it to some terrorist organization...

His bomb was a fizzle, that means if it were detonated in a populated area, there would be quite a bit of fallout. Same principle as a dirty bomb.

I am not really going to contribute to this topic, sorry. All I have to say is that it isn't really the problem that N. korea has a nuke: using it would mean certain destruction of their entire country. The problem is the sick dictator that is devastating the country and especially the people in it. I say: Infiltrate their government, kill the dictator and make sure that radicals do not get control for that would mean war.

Or ignore the shit out of N. Korea.

Basicly, the innocent people in N. Korea are pretty much fucked.

Originally Posted by Seeker

How many of you have ever backed a dog into a corner, leaving it no way to escape?

I fear the same thing is about to happen now that happened with Japan before the start of WWII. Increasing sanctions on this guy is going to make him even more desperate. Sanctions are OK, but we must leave him a way out and to save whatever face he has left. Anything else will only reinforce in his mind that he must attack.

Don't get me wrong, this guy scares me... A LOT! It's not so much him using the bomb on someone as selling it to some terrorist organization...

His bomb was a fizzle, that means if it were detonated in a populated area, there would be quite a bit of fallout. Same principle as a dirty bomb.
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Thank you, Seeker. Though I often find myself in disagreement with many of your views, I find myself in substantial agreement with you here.

Everything is going to be okay. When Bill Clinton gave billions of dollars plus technology to Kim Jong Il, Mr. Il promised not to develop nuclear weapons. It is ugly to not trust others.

But really... The sanctions are worthless. I really hope China or the U.N. will blow that sorry government off the face of the Earth by attacking very specific government sites. If worse comes to worse, we are going to have to do something I really don't like. We are going to have to tell Kim Jong Il that if he tests any more nukes in North Korea, then we too are going to test nukes in North Korea. We already have plans in the making to interrupt a North Korea nuclear missile blast off by having our Navy blast the missile before it even goes anywhere. In other words, if Il tries to shoot a nuke, he will be nuking his own country. I really hope it never has to come to that.

Sanctions can work with North Korea. Provided we don't use a suffocation sanction Standard.
The civilians are all ready deprived. All his resources go the military. That is how we have to sanction them.
We have to rely on China unfortunately though. I believe they are responsible for at least 20 % of N. Korea's commerce. At least they have joined in on deciding to sanction them. They did however say they will not control and strictly monitor the border and what goes to and from each country. China does not want to cut their own throat.
But with the realization that N. Korea does now have nuclear capabilities it could mean that these components could be sold or fall in the wrong hands - (or more wrong I should say)
At any rate, so long as we do not let their entire economy collapse I think sanctioning some of their military resources is are only route at this given point.

Originally Posted by The

What exactly is the definition of "confirmed"?[/b]

1. To support or establish the certainty or validity of; verify.
2. To make firmer; strengthen: Working on the campaign confirmed her intention to go into politics.
3. To make valid or binding by a formal or legal act; ratify.
4. To administer the religious rite of confirmation to.

My point was that Nuclear or not, North Korea was making a statement that was very agressive.