ok, well i cannot find my other topic like this. it does not show anywhere. so how do i do self hypnosis? a step-by-step guide would be preferred.
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ok, well i cannot find my other topic like this. it does not show anywhere. so how do i do self hypnosis? a step-by-step guide would be preferred.
well reading tons of thing about hypnosis i have to conclude that their no such thing and that it a waste of time and you should not concentrate on that. however to be fair if you type in hypnosis in google wendi.com or something like it their is a free self hypnosis course if you want to go into it in more detail type in boris sidis in google and go on boris archive. i can recommend the new darren brown book he himself admit their no such thing as hypnotism it just will to do something and social complances.Quote:
ok, well i cannot find my other topic like this. it does not show anywhere. so how do i do self hypnosis? a step-by-step guide would be preferred. [/b]
Hey Skuruza, try this technique in the Tutorial section:HILD
There might be others in that same section as well. Just gotta do some diggin.
It can't just be "no such thing". What about all the hypnotised people I've seen on Tvs and stuff?Quote:
Originally Posted by becomingagodo
Some people think that most of the people that are "hypnotised" are actors with a few non-actors. The non-actors join in because they don't want to see like the odd ones out because the actors are doing stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonsay
I myself don't know because alot of the hypnotism stuff I've seen seems to hard to act out. I'd say it is real.
if you saw santa claus on tv it wouldnt mean he exsist. it called social complances when someone does something because their told like you been told it ture so you believe. hypnosis is not some special state their no evidence for it everything done by hypnotist can be done in normal state. all hypnotism is playing up to the viewer nothing else i read it straight from darren brown book.Quote:
It can't just be "no such thing". What about all the hypnotised people I've seen on Tvs and stuff? [/b]
hypnjosis really does work i used a hypnosis mp3 and i self hypnotised myself to have a lucid dream last night... usually the effects wear off after 2 days...
As I know, hypnosis is just telling a person in trance what to do and he does it. But he wouldn't just do anything, only the things that he would do when he was "awake".
you misunderstand i am saying that their no such thing as a trance
their is no evidence for trance or state hypnotist while their is lots of evidence for non-state hypnotist. i take my views on brain from neurology and evidence not some crappy psychologist that believe in state theory with no proof. yes i am not saying hypnosis does not work im saying their nothing special about it hypnosis can be perfectly explained by more-mundane psychological processes.Quote:
Some scientists have disputed its very existence, while others insist upon both its reality and value. One fundamental distinction in hypnosis theory is between 'state' and 'non-state' approaches to hypnosis. State theorists believe that hypnosis is an altered state of consciousness, whereas non-state theorists believe that hypnotic effects are the product of more-mundane psychological processes such as absorption and expectancy[/b]
it called social complainces their are tons of example like the infamous test where they got a fake person to press a button if he get a question wrong psychologist argue that if you make it very dangerous have the person scream in horrific pain most would stop however they found they 66percent continue even when the device said danger of death. see people tend to obey any authority blindlessly the hypnotist just exploit this from darren brown book.Quote:
Some people think that most of the people that are "hypnotised" are actors with a few non-actors. The non-actors join in because they don't want to see like the odd ones out because the actors are doing stuff.
I myself don't know because alot of the hypnotism stuff I've seen seems to hard to act out. I'd say it is real.[/b]
is this a argument for me or against or you actually did bother to think more then 2 second.Quote:
As I know, hypnosis is just telling a person in trance what to do and he does it. But he wouldn't just do anything, only the things that he would do when he was "awake".[/b]
well i cant decide if he more wrong or stupid. wow he got a degree in psychology the point is this is not proof he is correct your just following somebody blindly you can describe hypnosis by normal means their nothing special about it and their no evidence to back the hypothesis that state hypnosis is ture if you ask the person to show me reliable evidence then i will change my mind but he wont because he a follower like you.Quote:
so this guy wrong[/b]
It's against you. Eaven if you say that it doesn't exist. I believe it does and so I'll use it. It's your loss anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by becomingagodo
Leo Volont made a post about self-hypnosis a few weeks ago, before he was banned. I can't be bothered to find it but I'm sure its not hard to find.
off topic - @ becomingagodo: your avatar always freezes my screen man! heh
i think we have another Leo here...
stupidp...person... you made me skeptical... evil *******
becomingagodo: Since your will is clearly to become the next Leo Volont, may I advise you adopt proper grammar and spelling since this was part of the reason people respected Leo despite his nature. Without the community's respect for your intellect, your attitude will merely gain you a large pile of rejection and maybe bannage.
well picasso, einstein, thomas edison and leonardo da vinci had dyslexia does this mean their stupid and dont deserve intellectual respect. the view that i would get bannage or rejected is perfectly fine to me. see if i tell the truth and get scientific evidence to support that view and then i get bannage or rejected then what would this mean for this site you have to agree with everyone else even if their view is wrong. this is a perfect example of what i meanQuote:
becomingagodo: Since your will is clearly to become the next Leo Volont, may I advise you adopt proper grammar and spelling since this was part of the reason people respected Leo despite his nature. Without the community's respect for your intellect, your attitude will merely gain you a large pile of rejection and maybe bannage. [/b]
i tell him he wrong get scientific fact that support the fact he wrong then from lesser mind use stupid argument like i have seen it on t.v. or i have a psychology friend. if you read my post all i did is post a wikipedia saying that hypnosis is fake and that it based on more well known less seductive psychology method like social complance do i really deserve the stupid person your evil no i did not. oh yes becoming the next leo volont i am nothing like leo he bases his belife on some strange cult/religion belife where i base my assumption on science. well i have the best attension to try and adopt more science and use less assumption to move forward and if i get bannege or rejected then it would be like rejecting one of picasso painting or eignstein theory because it does not agree with your concept of truth or going down the right path.Quote:
i think we have another Leo here...
stupidp...person... you made me skeptical... evil *******[/b]
Sorry, I didn't realise you have dyslexia.
But it doesn't really excuse you from being an ass. You gave me a load of crap for posting five simple words that didn't imply any hostility at all, was just putting forward some fairly convincing stuff for you to either accept or dispute. The points put forward in your rebuttal were actual fairly good and I would've responded with 'good points' and maybe some more evidence for you to dispute, no insulting necessary.
I did a quick search of the site (and you can search some more if you'd like) and came up with a couple of posts you can look at:
http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/index.php?...amp;hl=Hypnosis
http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/index.php?...amp;hl=Hypnosis (beware the poster's avatar...)
http://www.dreamviews.com/forum/index.php?...amp;hl=Hypnosis (Leo's... not a whole lot in there as far as I saw)
becomingagodo, the problem is not that you don't believe that hypnotism. It's that you are taking an arrogant tone with everyone else, talking down as if you're the only one who knows. I don't want to come off sounding harsh, but I just wanted you to know that if you (and others) tone it down a little then things will run more smoothly.
I belive that hypnotism is real. More of the public shows are probably just actors, but some of them I believe are true hypnotisms. A lady I know (and trust dearly) actually studied hypnotism in college and also was hypnotized several times. On one occasion, as a demonstration of the mind's power over the body, he had her become extremely rigid and then had her set between two stools (or small tables or something) and then stood on her mid-section for a short time. She even has a picture.
Real hypnotism can be dangerous, though. Self-hypnosis probably falls more along the lines of auto-suggestion, but when you're dealing with a professional there's a lot more to it than telling someone to act like a chicken. You have to be careful.
i will try and tone my insult down. the point all the top can be explain with social complances and expectation of it going to work as pointed out earlier about the shock test where people did something i.e. badly hurt someone because they were told too this is the same she just followed the person blindly. now if their was a test which like shows a person a picture and the hypnotist say you can remeber it and draw it perfectly to an artist and then a week, day or hour later he could draw or describe the picture perfectly then i will start to believe in hypnosis. i could get you the non state theory on hypnosis which have been tested mostly correctly which say hypnosis is built out of more novel psychology technique against the state theorist which has no proof which say some crap about state. see hypnosis is like the placebo effect your body think that your going to be cured by the glucose mix with water pill so it does and hypnosis can be describe the same you have a inbuilt social complances like your friend she expecting it going to work so she blindy follow his order like the shock test even though something special is not happening like a trance. i got this from darren brown book he say hypnosis is fake and that less appealing psychology method are used instead and if you have ever seen one of his program they do strange things to me like crucifiying robbie williams where he just stood their and felt nothing. well if you got any wits about you you could proberly now see that it is fake i believe in hypnosis before i read darren brown book then about half way through i look at the evidence to support darren brown claim and their is lots if you still dont believe post your assumption and i will get a load more evidence to say your wrong.Quote:
I belive that hypnotism is real. More of the public shows are probably just actors, but some of them I believe are true hypnotisms. A lady I know (and trust dearly) actually studied hypnotism in college and also was hypnotized several times. On one occasion, as a demonstration of the mind's power over the body, he had her become extremely rigid and then had her set between two stools (or small tables or something) and then stood on her mid-section for a short time. She even has a picture.
Real hypnotism can be dangerous, though. Self-hypnosis probably falls more along the lines of auto-suggestion, but when you're dealing with a professional there's a lot more to it than telling someone to act like a chicken. You have to be careful. [/b]
Well, what about hypnosis as it pertains to memory? A hypnotist can, if he or she deems it necessary, dredge up memories that have been supressed by someone for years. That same person, before being hypnotised, will not be able to recall those memories if they are asked about them. In addition, a hypnotist can supress memories, such as if they don't want the client to remember being hypnotised.
As a brief illustration, the lady I mentioned earlier, in one of her classes a classmate was hypnotised by the professor and told that every time she heard the word "psychology" she would stand up and shout hurray. She was also told that she would not remember being hypnotised. The professor brought the girl back up and she went back to her seat and the professor began to lecture. He purposefully used the word "psychology" from time to time and sure enough, each time the word was said the girl would stand up and shout "hurray!" and sit back down, embarassed and confused at what she had just done. After a time the professor let her in on the secret and using a pre-determined trigger released her from that compulsion.
You may say that that is merely the power of suggestion, but that is an awfully strong suggestion. To me it goes beyond the simple idea of obedience.
I've heard about the shock experiment. It seems, however, that in that study the subjects had more of a choice in the matter. 34% of the subjects chose not to go all the way and I'm sure that pretty much all of the 66% desired to stop. When someone is hypnotised, sure they agree to undergo the process, but if commands are given at a subconscious level, it leaves little choice for the subject. They act before they can consciously think about the decision.
And that's the part that riles people up. I'm sure you don't mean to be insulting, but that was a fairly harsh statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by becomingagodo
I (or someone else) may move this to Extended Discussion, but I'll leave it here for the time being. In all honesty, I don't think it's a huge deal as to whether or not hypnosis or the power of suggestion/obedience is right or wrong. What matters is that they serve a purpose ad if they accomplish that purpose, does it make a huge difference what the definition is?
becomingagodo, you got your information from a Derren Brown book right? What about the show when he hypnotised this guy into believing he was being attacked by zombies? He was freaking out in terror, but actually I suppose if I woke up somewhere that looked like the computer game I was just playing and then actors playing zombies came at me, I'd probably believe it too... But what about when he stuck needles through Robbie Williams' arms and he felt no pain? That must be hypnosis, right? And there was a live operation performed, on British TV, on a person under hypnosis and no anaesthetic. They were fully conscious, but felt no pain.
you havent read the book if you did he clearly said their was no such thing as trance and hypnosis is fake. the feeling no pain is done by distracting yourself from injury as darren brown said in his book i have tried this myself by getting a pen and stabbing my hand it only hurts if you pay attension to it like how people can be stabbed or cut and feel nothing intill they notice wound.Quote:
becomingagodo, you got your information from a Derren Brown book right? What about the show when he hypnotised this guy into believing he was being attacked by zombies? He was freaking out in terror, but actually I suppose if I woke up somewhere that looked like the computer game I was just playing and then actors playing zombies came at me, I'd probably believe it too... But what about when he stuck needles through Robbie Williams' arms and he felt no pain? That must be hypnosis, right? And there was a live operation performed, on British TV, on a person under hypnosis and no anaesthetic. They were fully conscious, but felt no pain. [/b]
i disagree see the particpate only choose is to obey command of scientist or to continue or they can stop it basically the same choice as person being hypnotized to obey command or stop. subconscious levelQuote:
I've heard about the shock experiment. It seems, however, that in that study the subjects had more of a choice in the matter. 34% of the subjects chose not to go all the way and I'm sure that pretty much all of the 66% desired to stop. When someone is hypnotised, sure they agree to undergo the process, but if commands are given at a subconscious level, it leaves little choice for the subject. They act before they can consciously think about the decision.[/b]
according to scientific research their no such thing as subconscious it can be explain in simpler terms called classical condition. isnt it more proberble that we obey the hypnotist because since children we have been program to obey parents, teacher, government e.t.c. as human we naturally obey authority even if this goes against common sense and morals i.e. the shock experiment literally 66% would kill someone because they were ask to another famous one is the nurse experiment were the doctor phone up nurse to give a patient a lethal dosage and then about 10% refused to do it even though all would know it would kill the patient. the point we got a inbuilt responce to obey people beyound reason your a good case you have little proof just fraudian thinking, wrong conclusion i could give what they concluded from this and belife that everything on t.v. is correct.Quote:
The goals of Watson’s experiments on Albert was to show that behavior is learned and trained into our minds and to also show that the Freudian thinking was wrong. Freudian thinkers believed that behavior comes from the unconscious. Watson’s experiment of little Albert explained behavior in simple terms.[/b]
yes it does say we needed a basic level of understanding for a technique if you wanted to move forward would you rather have and stupid warp newtoon theory that object move because they want to or that the correct that object move because of newtoon three laws. plus the truth is important.Quote:
I don't think it's a huge deal as to whether or not hypnosis or the power of suggestion/obedience is right or wrong. What matters is that they serve a purpose ad if they accomplish that purpose, does it make a huge difference what the definition is?[/b]
You're right, I haven't read it. Try stabbing a foot long 3mm thick steel needle through your bicep and see if you can stop yourself from feeling it.Quote:
Originally Posted by becomingagodo
i didnt say you dont feel it i said you distract yourself from the pain like in fightclub if you seen that movie where tyler burns acid into his hand then he distract himself from pain by going to a happy place.Quote:
You're right, I haven't read it. Try stabbing a foot long 3mm thick steel needle through your bicep and see if you can stop yourself from feeling it. [/b]
see relaxing and using visual distraction this is what is done to stop pain i could write the hole passage on darren brown how to do so you can not register pain it just uses distraction method and also not going aarggggghhhhhhh my hand. also in the book darren brown says that their no use of state-hypnosis because their no such thing. and dont say that hypnosis because it not it some meditation and other novel psychology technique.Quote:
How Do I Use Relaxation?
There are many methods. Here are some for you to try:
Visual concentration and rhythmic massage:
* Open your eyes and stare at an object, or close your eyes and think of a peaceful, calm scene. With the palm of your hand, massage near the area of pain in a circular, firm manner. Avoid red, raw, swollen, or tender areas. You may wish to ask a family member or friend to do this for you.
Inhale/tense, exhale/relax:
* Breathe in (inhale) deeply. At the same time, tense your muscles or a group of muscles. For example, you can squeeze your eyes shut, frown, clench your teeth, make a fist, stiffen your arms and legs, or draw up your arms and legs as tightly as you can.
* Hold your breath and keep your muscles tense for a second or two.
* Let go! Breathe out (exhale) and let your body go limp.
Slow rhythmic breathing:
* Stare at an object or close your eyes and concentrate on your breathing or on a peaceful scene.
* Take a slow, deep breath and, as you breathe in, tense your muscles (such as your arms).
* As you breathe out, relax your muscles and feel the tension draining.
* Now remain relaxed and begin breathing slowly and comfortably, concentrating on your breathing, taking about 9 to 12 breaths a minute. Do not breathe too deeply.
* To maintain a slow, even rhythm as you breathe out, you can say silently to yourself, “In, one, two; out, one, two.” It may be helpful at first if someone counts out loud for you. If you ever feel out of breath, take a deep breath and then continue the slow breathing exercise. Each time you breathe out, feel yourself relaxing and going limp. If some muscles are not relaxed such as your shoulders, tense them as you breathe in and relax them as you breathe out. You need to do this only once or twice for each specific muscle group.
* Continue slow, rhythmic breathing for a few seconds up to 10 minutes, depending on your need.
* To end your slow rhythmic breathing, count silently and slowly from one to three. Open your eyes. Say silently to yourself: “I feel alert and relaxed.” Begin moving about slowly.
Other methods you can add to slow rhythmic breathing:
* Imagery.
* Listen to slow, familiar music through an earphone or headset.
* Progressive relaxation of body parts. Once you are breathing slowly and comfortably, you may relax different body parts, starting with your feet and working up to your head. Think of words such as limp, heavy, light, warm, or floating. Each time you breathe out, you can focus on a particular area of the body and feel it relaxing. Try to imagine that the tension is draining from that area. For example, as you breathe out, feel your feet and ankles relaxing; the next time you breathe out, feel your calves and knees relaxing, and so on up your body. [/b]
I'm going to move this topic to extended discussion. Skurzura, if you have any more questions about hypnosis, feel free to ask or look around. :)
First off, you neglected to address the matter of memory, of supressing and revealing memories. What you are saying is that everything is a conscious choice. However, there are things that go on in our minds that we are not aware of as a result of physical or emotional processes.
When you talk of consciously supressing pain, you're talking about a process that takes a great deal of time. Not only does that person have to focus so intently on something else, on something stronger than pain, that person also has to overcome doubt. I doubt that everyone can do this, especially if they're trying to train themselves. Your theory and the theory of hypnosis are essentially the same in that they basically serve the same purpose. Your theory operates under the notion that there is no subconscious mind. Hypnosis operates under the notion that there is.
And your idea of "visual distraction" is faintly reminiscent of Douglas Adam's method of flying. You fall and simply distract yourself before you hit the ground... But I'll leave it at that.
The example that you gave is of progressive relaxation. It may affect the body and cause the mind to go into a more peaceful state, but it still involves conscious thought. When a person is mesmerized, conscious thought is absent, allowing external stimuli to have a greater impact on the subject. Hence one of my favorite saings: "If you don't make your own decisions, someone else will decide for you."
(And I don't want to sound too picky, but could use a period at the end of your sentences? commas? capitalization? I'm sorry, but your replies are difficult to read.)
well i know that i can go into trance.
And yes, people are in hypnotic trance all the time. all i mean by trance is you're focused on one thing so much that you block all else out. ever go for a drive or a walk, and suddenly you realise you've gone farther than your destination because you were thinking about something else? that's trance.
and example from last night: At karaoke i was at a table and some girl kept buggin me to get up and sing and asking what i was gonna sing. so i finally sang one and i got back to the table when i was done and she said "So, Rob when are you gonna get up and sing?"
me " I just did lol"
her, "REally?"
and all my other friends told her that yes, i was up singing and she missed it. she was in a trance by talking so much to her friends. hypnotic trance is a bit different. for me it's like i'm hearing everything the person is saying but then i wake up and forget what they said.