Fire

Yeah, I know what you mean. Fire is cool. I remember wondering this same thing a while back. It does work in a way that makes it look unique.

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Originally Posted by ExoByte

Guess you win, I was trying to get too techincal with my imagination. Of course its not an organism or anything, but you have to admit its different than anything else in this world.

Mainly, its just an opinion of mine that Im facinated by. Fire can be so amazing. Im not a pyro, so dont worry, I wont burn things down. But I enjoy watching it. The way it moves and dances, how it grows, how it looks at you.
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Not a pyro? Hell, I am. I love fire, I can't count the number of times I've got in trouble for burning shit.

But asking what fire is makes about as much sense as asking what wind is. Neither wind or fire exist, rather, they're a description of what molecules are doing (I think). Basically moving about and crashing into each other and shit.

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Originally Posted by Mark75

What you aren't acknowledging is that the fire is composed of nothing more than that energy. Objects can be destroyed, which is what you're talking about. My puddle was destroyed. It no longer exists because it has changed into something that is not definably a puddle. In the same regard, the fire no longer exists because it has changed into something which is not definably a flame. The components that formed each still exist on their own, but no longer form the whole, the "object". Ergo, the object is destroyed in both cases. If it were somehow possible to collect the exact energy that produced the flame, we could in theory "put it back together". That's about as impossible as gathering the exact molecules of water that composed my puddle, although we could theoretically do the same in the instance of the puddle.
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Okay, so the puddle turnsw into somethng that isn't difinably a puddle, what is it? A gas, H20 in it's gaseous isotope.

A fire goes out... and is no longer difinably fire... explain, dear sir, what IT becomes. After all, if you apply logic to one thing, you MUST apply it to the comparison.

wind is caused by pressure. (much the same as if you were to heat up the contents of a can of water, and slammed it down, upside down into cool water... it gives pressure and needs a place to go... wind = Oxygen Water = Hydrogen Di-Oxide fire = ? earth = carbon + minerals etc.)

so fire is NOT comparable to wind nor water, nor earth. It is a reaction, the thing is, we've only discovered that the reaction is good for heat. who knows what else it's good for.

Don't ALWAYS listen to rationale of the scientific community. It wouldn't be the first time the entire community was SURE they KNEW the answers asked, and were proven wrong.

Fire is plasma, the fourth state of matter, when electrons are torn from their atoms. That's everything from lightning to the aurora. :mandel:

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Originally Posted by OneRyt

Okay, so the puddle turnsw into somethng that isn't difinably a puddle, what is it? A gas, H20 in it's gaseous isotope.
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Yes. The water is still there. It's not a puddle because you can't have a puddle of gas because a puddle is inherently liquid.

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Originally Posted by OneRyt

A fire goes out... and is no longer difinably fire... explain, dear sir, what IT becomes. After all, if you apply logic to one thing, you MUST apply it to the comparison.
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It ceases to exist. Just like the puddle, the things it was composed of still exist, but have been reorganized into something that is not fire. Extinguish the fire and the heat dissipates into the air and the light escapes into the environment. At that point, it no longer looks nor feels like fire because it isn't, because the fire doesn't exist any more. I covered all of this in my previous responses.

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Originally Posted by Mark75

Yes. The water is still there. It's not a puddle because you can't have a puddle of gas because a puddle is inherently liquid.

It ceases to exist. Just like the puddle, the things it was composed of still exist, but have been reorganized into something that is not fire. Extinguish the fire and the heat dissipates into the air and the light escapes into the environment. At that point, it no longer looks nor feels like fire because it isn't, because the fire doesn't exist any more. I covered all of this in my previous responses.
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Soooo false.

Anyone who REALLY knows science, would know that a puddle and a fire, in this light, are incomparable.

H20 = Water

??? = Fire

You won't be able to answer, cuz there is no answer...
A puddle evaporates, it DOES exist... It does NOT just cease to exist. (you don't need liquid to have H20)

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Originally Posted by OneRyt

Soooo false.

Anyone who REALLY knows science, would know that a puddle and a fire, in this light, are incomparable.

H20 = Water

??? = Fire

You won't be able to answer, cuz there is no answer...
A puddle evaporates, it DOES exist... It does NOT just cease to exist. (you don't need liquid to have H20)
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You can't compare an element with a state of matter. That's like comparing a tree with running.
H2O= liquid
Fire=plasma
When fire seases to exist, the molecules and everything just turn into another state of matter. And it's the same with water evaporating.

Fire is a self-sustaining oxidation process accompanied by heat and light in the form of a glow or flames. (from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire)
This means that fire is a chemical reaction and not a state of matter. The visible flame and felt heat are more commonly what is referred to when one says "fire" rather than the reaction itself. But even then, combustion reactions can be created and destroyed. The flame, the heat and light portion, is an object. Objects can be created and destroyed. The energies that composed the object continue to exist while the object itself does not. That object has been erased from existence.

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Originally Posted by OneRyt

Soooo false.

Anyone who REALLY knows science, would know that a puddle and a fire, in this light, are incomparable.

H20 = Water

??? = Fire

You won't be able to answer, cuz there is no answer...
A puddle evaporates, it DOES exist... It does NOT just cease to exist. (you don't need liquid to have H20)
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Objects can be created and destroyed.

You're not even reading what I wrote, are you? The puddle ceases to exist. The H2O does not. I already said that.

Fire = Combustion reaction

Were you there in grade 6 science class?

I would like to remind everyone that computers did not exist before they were invented, yet every last atom that your computer is made of did. Computers, chairs, and flames are all objects. Objects can be created and destroyed. Fire is an object.

Unlike matter and energy, objects can be created and destroyed.

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Originally Posted by OneRyt

You can't compare an element with a state of matter. That's like comparing a tree with running.
H2O= liquid
Fire=plasma
When fire ceases to exist, the molecules and everything just turn into another state of matter. And it's the same with water evaporating.
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Fire is not plasma. The perceivable portions of the fire, the flame, are energy. The fire as a whole is essentially just a glowing gas. The glow and heat is a product of the changing matter, the reaction, that matter being the fuel turning into a gas.

Fire = Combustion reaction

Ok you are right, ofcourse (:bslap:) . But fire really isn't such a mistery anymore.

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Originally Posted by Bonsay

...But fire really isn't such a mistery anymore.
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Curse you meddling kids!

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Originally Posted by ExoByte

What is fire? Its different than anything on this earth. Its not a solid, not a liquid, nor a gas. Its not physical, and cant be touched or felt. It isnt energy, it gives off energy. It contains lots of it, and lots of heat. You can feel its energy, but not it in itself. So, if it is not bound by normal laws, what is it?

As well, is it alive? It breathes, requires oxygen, produces and uses energy, needs to be fed.

Fire is facinating. What are your thoughts?
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its plasma.

Okay, I give up.