Thread: U.s Is Going To Fall

First of all calling your comment ignorant is not at all flaming, i didn't say you were ignorant I said the comment struck me as bieng ingornat

Next, i think we had a misunderstanding in your sue of the word civlized, I took it to be a purely ethical term. However, i contend that at its peak the Soviet was very very advanced, remember Sputnik? Also, your jsutification for the evils of captialism being dictatorship is weak, as I can apply this to socialist countries. Coutnries that vote in a more socialist government are different to those where a mad communsit dictator goes on a killing spree, e.g. Stalin. You still didnt justify imperalism, or slavery?
Both evils of capitalism?

So next you offer your reasoning fir why Capitlism is economically superior, I do not disagree it creates more wealth. Surely you are not scared of a succesful scoailsit country because of your belief that people have no incentive to work?
What scares you about a syuccesful country that you claim lacks the superiority of the Capitlist system?

"A capitalist country is a free country"

Youve been listeinng to too much government propganda, they even tech us that shit in our schools. Capitliast countreis can be dictatorshps and they can be democracies, also I argue that the workers are never free in a capitslist country.

Now the war question, it tends to be in my expereince that its capitslist countries rampaging around the glob right now expanding the free market. Everytime a country nationalizes its resources the US or Britain invade them, but eh lets not make this an Iraq, Afghanistan or Iran debate?

Finally, which communist country ahve i ever supported,
Not one
because like I said there has never been one.
But I'll show you the beauty of Social Democratism, or state controlled capitalism.
Britan
Not now, but back in the days of Benn, Foot and Bevan. We have the NHS, until recnetly it was brillaint, we had a great education system that until recnetly was accesible to all groups in society. We ahve a gret beneifits system, this is all down to Old Labour, who by party deifntion are Social Democrats/Socialist. Obviously Britain is not so great these days, with us being America's little lapdog, and the rise of New LAbour and there Conservatism

I believe in the Utopia of Communism, in theory, I'm not sure of its practicalitiy, but I do know that Free Market or Lassiez Faire Capitalism is inheretly evil and a robbery system.

What a bunch of garbage

Originally Posted by imran_p

Next, i think we had a misunderstanding in your sue of the word civlized, I took it to be a purely ethical term. However, i contend that at its peak the Soviet was very very advanced, remember Sputnik? Also, your jsutification for the evils of captialism being dictatorship is weak, as I can apply this to socialist countries. Coutnries that vote in a more socialist government are different to those where a mad communsit dictator goes on a killing spree, e.g. Stalin. You still didnt justify imperalism, or slavery?
Both evils of capitalism?

The Soviet Union's government had some good technology for a short time because the money they took from the citizens went into their space and arms races with the United States. That does not mean the country itself was well civilized. To the extent that it was, it was a result of the peoples' prior history of not being the Soviet Union.

Dictatorships suck in capitalist and socialist countries. I don't see where we disagree on that.

Of course I am not going to justify slavery or imperialism. I told you that capitalism doesn't have 100% good results in all cases. However, the top capitalist nations in the world do not allow slavery and are not imperialistic today. We have become civilized due to the industrial revolution and the effectiveness of capitalism. I am talking about the populations, not merely the government. Our civilized people would never allow such things now.

Originally Posted by imran_p

So next you offer your reasoning fir why Capitlism is economically superior, I do not disagree it creates more wealth. Surely you are not scared of a succesful scoailsit country because of your belief that people have no incentive to work?
What scares you about a syuccesful country that you claim lacks the superiority of the Capitlist system?

As I already told you, the more primitive a population is, the more evil it is. Socialism stifles growth in all areas and stops the ability to evolve into less primitive states.

Originally Posted by imran_p

"A capitalist country is a free country"

Youve been listeinng to too much government propganda, they even tech us that shit in our schools. Capitliast countreis can be dictatorshps and they can be democracies, also I argue that the workers are never free in a capitslist country.

Capitalist countries are rarely dictatorships. How many are there any in the world right now? How are the workers never free in a democracy? We outlawed slavery in the mid-1800's. How are workers more free in a socialist country? I can't say I have any idea what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by imran_p

Now the war question, it tends to be in my expereince that its capitslist countries rampaging around the glob right now expanding the free market. Everytime a country nationalizes its resources the US or Britain invade them, but eh lets not make this an Iraq, Afghanistan or Iran debate?

We spread the freedom that all countries deserve. We are not like the Soviet Union, who went around robbing countries of their freedom.

Originally Posted by imran_p

Finally, which communist country ahve i ever supported,
Not one
because like I said there has never been one.
But I'll show you the beauty of Social Democratism, or state controlled capitalism.
Britan
Not now, but back in the days of Benn, Foot and Bevan. We have the NHS, until recnetly it was brillaint, we had a great education system that until recnetly was accesible to all groups in society. We ahve a gret beneifits system, this is all down to Old Labour, who by party deifntion are Social Democrats/Socialist. Obviously Britain is not so great these days, with us being America's little lapdog, and the rise of New LAbour and there Conservatism

So the education system was better when Britain was more socialist? That's the big advantage of socialism in Britain? Try privatizing your school system, and I will show you success in education. You probably have a socialistic school system like we have. Ours is pathetic. Our private schools rock, but our public schools are an embarassment. Without financial competition, a school does not have the necessary incentive to be great, in most cases. But any way, you have said that capitalism creates more wealth than socialism, so how else is Britain worse off today than in the old days? I know which Britain I would rather live in.

Originally Posted by imran_p

I believe in the Utopia of Communism, in theory, I'm not sure of its practicalitiy, but I do know that Free Market or Lassiez Faire Capitalism is inheretly evil and a robbery system.

Socialism and communism are robbery systems. People don't get to keep the great successes they earn. With capitalism, they can. So how is capitalism more of a robbery system than socialism?

Most importantly, what would be the driving force in communism and socialism? Why would people work hard to create wealth, which of course results in the buying of more products, which expands businesses and creates more wealth, ad infinitum? What is superior about socialism and communism, and what could possibly be the driving force that would make them work well?