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I came across an article about how the left once favored true peace and tried to promote love and open-mindedness but is now a movement of vile hatred and prejudice against those who disagree with what they so hatefully preach. The author of the article is a liberal who is saddened by what has become of liberalism.
http://media.www.dailytoreador.com/m...45-page2.shtml
I predict great things from this thread......
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The problem with progressives is that they don't have their shit together anymore. They just rely on "the facts will set you free"... And in a way, it makes sense to think that at first. If people were to look at the reality of things, they'd see it the liberal way. Like Stephen Colbert said, reality has a liberal bias (most of what he says is stupid, but that one statement was really well-placed).
What does that mean? Well, for one thing, that means conservatives can't rely on reality... so they got their shit together. They have billion-dollar think tanks, designed to morph the language in their favour. That's where "Tax Relief" came from. "Tax cuts" makes it too obvious that it's basically cutting funding for various social services. Ah, but Tax Relief makes it look like taxes are our enemy, and we need to get rid of them.
After enough of this, it's easy to see why it is that these days, "liberals" is equated with "fucking hippies" and "conservatives" are equated with "family values, etc." Yet, if you look it up in the dictionary, it's more true that "conservative" means afraid of change, and more or less stuck in the middle ages, while "liberal" means open-minded and forward-thinking. It's called "Framing", and you can read about it in Lakoff's excellent book, "Don't Think of an Elephant".
The only way liberals will ever get back the ground they lost is to start framing the debate themselves. Instead, they are sabotaging themselves by using language that was designed against them. A liberal debator who talks about abortion and uses the term "pro-life" (say, instead of anti-choice) has already lost.
The other thing the conservatives are doing really well is a semblance of union. Liberals seem to be all over the place, don't they? Some are more strongly in favour of some things, but not others, and it's just a big mess. The truth is, conservatives are the same way. They just hide it better. How? Well, the politicians have meetings where they discuss where they all stand, and they use a "majority rules" vote to determine what they will claim to support and not support. The idea is, instead of bickering over the little things, they agree over a big picture, general direction, and stick by it even if they disagree with piece of it. This gives a much better illusion of unity, and generally having their shit together. Progressives need to start doing that kind of thing too. Until they realize this, they will always lag behind the conservatives.
I believe that once any human chooses sides, they sacrifice logic in a certain area. In most cases, both sides have good and bad ideas. Liberals and conservatives both believe they are right about everything and that is where they are mistakin. peop.e need to be open-minded about certain things and close-minded about others. We need to unite. Simple, yet extremely complex concept.
This thread reeks of hypocrisy
I am very liberal on issues regarding individual liberties and separation of church and state. In fact, die hard conservatives consider me a liberal, just like die hard liberals consider me a conservative. I am an outsider to both sides. In talking about the hateful behavior of "the left", I am not talking about all liberals. The ones who are truly sincere are usually good people who mean well and are capable of sometimes taking conservative stances when it seems to make sense to do so. I am talking about the "left" as something that is very much like a fanatical religious group. People like that oppose Republicans on EVERY single issue, no matter what. It is as if opposition to Republicans is their major object. They constantly talk about how much they value peace, love, compassion, open-mindedness, and tolerance, but they very commonly show hostility, hate, love for creating conflict, closed-mindedness, and intolerance. People like that remind me of fundamentalist Christians who are always talking about "Gods' word" and "the love of Jesus" but actually hate everybody who doesn't think just like they do. The religion of extreme leftism is becoming more and more mainstream, and I don't think it has good intentions, and I don't see it making good things happen for the world. My advice for the left is to always show love and open-mindedness while preaching it.
im interested, what "left" are you talking about? what will these fucking "lefts" doing to the World? what is this "leftisms" bad intentions? In what way is it becoming more and more mainstream? are you saying lefts are people who strongly disagree with republicans? And like you UM I fully support bringing back McCarthyism.Quote:
The religion of extreme leftism is becoming more and more mainstream, and I don't think it has good intentions, and I don't see it making good things happen for the world. My advice for the left is to always show love and open-mindedness while preaching it.
yah so of course they oppose republicans.Quote:
value peace, love, compassion, open-mindedness, and tolerance
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but they very commonly show hostility, hate, love for creating conflict, closed-mindedness, and intolerance.
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I believe that once any human chooses sides, they sacrifice logic in a certain area. In most cases, both sides have bad ideas. Liberals and conservatives both believe they are right about everything and that is where they are mistakin.
[quote=shark!;422143]im interested, what "left" are you talking about? what will these fucking "lefts" doing to the World? what is this "leftisms" bad intentions? In what way is it becoming more and more mainstream? are you saying lefts are people who strongly disagree with republicans?
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I think you need to read my post again. You missed several points and several answers to the questions you just asked. I'll give a recap and add some things using numberings corresponding to the order of your sentences.
1. the extreme left, the faction that opposes Republicans on every single issue no matter what. This proves an obsession with opposition and not an obsession with logic or the well being of the masses. It is unrealistic to think Republicans are automatically wrong on every single issue. That would be some pretty strange probability. Honest disagreement on most issues due to honest conclusions is totally different, but complete consistency with opposition seems to suggest a disturbing agenda. I'm sure there are exceptions.
I said "the left" because the extreme left is becoming more and more dominant in the left wing itself.
2. Those lefts create too much support for that whatever percentage of causes that are anti-Republican but wrong. Being wrong while creating political influence is something that people should do their best to avoid. It is much more important than whatever thrill or self esteem bump being oppositional while wrong provides.
3. I said they have a lack of good intentions. They will take whatever side makes them feel like strong hippies or whatever. I think it's all about some power cult they can feel good about being part of. I think there are exceptions, but I think that is the main explanation.
4. A lot of Hollywood is part of what I am talking about, and a lot of the other powerful people in the media are part of it. That is having a major impact on public opinion, some of which I think is wrong and therefore dangerous.
5. I said nothing about being just strongly against Republicans. I was talking about being strongly against Republicans with 100% consistency. I am strongly against Republicans on a lot of issues, but I am careful not to oppose them on anything where they probably actually are right. The cost of being wrong in government policy is unnecessary deaths. I know you say that about Iraq, and I say that if the war in Iraq actually is the wrong policy, then I wish we had known that. Whatever is wrong is wrong and needs to be avoided, but I don't think the extreme liberals who oppose Republicans unconditionally have the same commitment.
The McCarthyism point didn't show up in the quote above, but I remember it. Please tell me where it is you think I said being consistently anti-Republican should get them blacklisted? I am all for their right to speak and to believe like they do. I also believe in my right to say what I think of what they are saying.
But the even more specific point of my initial post was about what they are doing to liberalism. I think if they would chill out and practice what they preach instead of being so vicious on television shows and using pressure tactics on their college students and that sort of thing, they would get a lot more support. I know I will never join a group that can't talk to me without being rude, and I know I am not alone. But I think that with most of the extreme left, support takes a back seat to the thrill of acting rude.