Thread: 1 Million dollars or an extreme lucid ability?

You could say i'm money hungry, which i'm not, but i would rather explore my lucid ability on my own instead of it being instant, that would show how impatient i am if i were to have instant lucid ability. It would be cool but i prefer to discover things by myself and on my own. I would just take the million to make my lifestyle a bit better and make a really nice environment for when trying to lucid dream.

Originally Posted by Intended

It's strange how nobody thinks that lucid dreaming could get boring. It only seems so delightful until it becomes habitual, right? Then it's like writing a very long book or watching a very long movie. You can make it different, but it's still the same, and time will come when you've had enough of it and want something new. Any toy becomes boring once you've played too much with it. Lucid dreaming can lose its value very soon.
It's strange, too, that everybody has thought of money as something only for themselves. Why not invest it in something really useful or give it to people who starve.
I'd take a million and find ways to use it well.

Well considering you can do anything in lucids, I mean you can do things in lucids that you can do with 1 million dollars yeah you can't help people, but still you'd have to be a person who does something for 10 min and gets bored and you'd still beable to do stuff for 100's of days because theres so much to do, I do know of 2 very good lders who got tired of it ones a friend the other I don't know personaly but I don't understand either one when they don't get any fun out of it, besides that you can wait till you feel like having fun again, when I'm bored I'm always wanting to do something, so if I wanted to do nothing I can't be bored can I?

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

yeah you can't help people, but still

Is some lucid ability really worth more than saving somebody from hungry death?

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

you'd have to be a person who does something for 10 min and gets bored and you'd still beable to do stuff for 100's of days because theres so much to do

Probably it could work for 100 days for somebody. Maybe not.
I feel bored in lucid dreams, I want delightful things happen in life other than in dreams. I can find things to do there and it does feel interesting, but once you've done something the same feeling of bore comes again and I want to wake up or fall into unconsciousness again. It's rather extreme.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

Well considering you can do anything in lucids, I mean you can do things in lucids that you can do with 1 million dollars

Exactly. It's just a fantasy game and it gets boring. I don't know how to explain it, it just feels like a game kids play when they pretend they have an invisible friend. They grow out of it.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

you can wait till you feel like having fun again, when I'm bored I'm always wanting to do something, so if I wanted to do nothing I can't be bored can I?

I don't know if that works. Certainly doesn't work for me.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

when I'm bored I'm always wanting to do something, so if I wanted to do nothing I can't be bored can I?

In my experience it's vice versa, when I'm bored I want to do nothing. When I want to do something I'm not bored anymore.

Originally Posted by lagunagirl

you would honestly get bored with flying or being able to breathe under water or doing any of that stuff?

Yes. What's the use of these abilities?

Originally Posted by Intended

It's strange how nobody thinks that lucid dreaming could get boring. It only seems so delightful until it becomes habitual, right? Then it's like writing a very long book or watching a very long movie. You can make it different, but it's still the same, and time will come when you've had enough of it and want something new. Any toy becomes boring once you've played too much with it. Lucid dreaming can lose its value very soon.
It's strange, too, that everybody has thought of money as something only for themselves. Why not invest it in something really useful or give it to people who starve.
I'd take a million and find ways to use it well.

If you get good enough at lucid dreaming, you can control your emotions. That alone would give you the power to have lucid dreams without being bored. You could will yourself to be excited. Plus, there are lots of activities that never get boring. Sex doesn't get boring until you're old. Maybe sex with the same person gets boring, but sex itself doesn't if its done to the full extent of your preferences. I don't think skydiving could ever get boring. Extreme laughter could never get boring because if it got boring, it wouldn't be true extreme laughter. The list goes on.

Well if you think your going to get bored you should limit yourself, but remember we all have diffrent wants and like diffrent amounts of things, when I'm bored all I can describe it is like I really want to do something but I can't find anything I want to do, maybe it'll happen but still if I thought it would I would limit myself, which you will point out is hard to do if you've got it all and really want it all, but somehow I don't see it as possible to get bored, I mean you can make up anything it's like art you can create story lines and characters and such, but you might get reather spoiled that'd be the only downside for me probably I wouldn't get much exitment out of waking life anymore, but between that and nothing (+ 1 million) I'd probably choose that plus I can make a million dollars in life eventualy if I work hard and save.

But it's impossible to argue since we all perseive things diffrently.

without a doubt, the lucid ability. a million dollars is great, but you could summon up a million dollars in a lucid dream :p

and i dont what these people are talking about when they say they would get board, with the described ability, you could create yourself a second life! that wouldnt get boring

I would definitely take the lding ability. Anytime i wanted to do some recreational thing i would do it in a lucid dream and free up all that time and money so I could make money or something in real life. If i wanted to go to an amusement park i could just ld about it and make the coasters as good as i want them. I would save alot of money considering gas prices and how much tickets and food cost at a park. Also in an ld you can drive any car u want and not worry about messing it up. I think you could get alot of money from not spending it on fun things that u can ld about. The only problem would be that your family would want to do these things but hey ill take the ld any day. Also u could improve your skills in an ld such as public speaking or playing a musical instrument. It would be amazing to jam with your favorite bands on stage (I call Dream Theater and Chevelle!). You could play any instrument you want and smash it and then just make another one and crank the amps up since u cant hurt ur hearing. It would be cool to fly jet fighter planes and go skydiving. Video games are limited lds are not.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

If you get good enough at lucid dreaming, you can control your emotions. That alone would give you the power to have lucid dreams without being bored.

That's untrue.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

I mean you can make up anything it's like art you can create story lines and characters and such

Maybe one of the reasons is that it's a lonely hobby, you can't share with people around whatever you do in lucid dreams. You can play chess alone, imagining that there are two of you, but for how long would you want to play chess alone? It's a lot alike kids pretending to have invisible friends.
Surely, that's not enough to explain the fact of boredom, there must be other reasons, too.
But I do have experience with delightful things turning into habitial things if you do them too much. They feel great at first, then habitual but still making you content, and if you have to proceed doing them they start to feel annoying. Maybe that's the same with lucid dreaming, once you can't feel agitated about it, it loses it charm. I don't feel agitated thinking about it at all, it's just one of many things, and neither I feel agitated when it happens. It was different back in past when I'd feel delight every time it happens and would still feel very glad after awakening.

But it's impossible to argue since we all perseive things diffrently.

That's what makes arguments possible at all, though it's hard to arrive at any agreement. But we don't have to.
Anyway, my point was not to argue. I tried to add to these thread other perspectives, like the possibility to get bored with lucid dreaming and the possibility to use money in a way that would make it more honourable to take money

Originally Posted by Intended

That's untrue.

How do you figure that? I've done it many times in many ways. I haven't gotten to where I can maintain it for long periods at a time, but I have reason to believe that others have. Why do you assume that it's impossible?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

How do you figure that? I've done it many times in many ways. I haven't gotten to where I can maintain it for long periods at a time, but I have reason to believe that others have. Why do you assume that it's impossible?

I figure that because I'm not a newbie, and I know people who achieved great success with lucid dreaming. I never heard of such a possibility and never stumbled upon it. Of course, I've probably just overlooked it. But I watched my personality and emotions closely in lucid dreams and worked with them, so I can say that you can't control emotions better than normally. You can only change your mind, e.g. if you're scared you think "Oh, that's just a dream..." Do you mean that kind of control? Explain.

Originally Posted by Intended

I figure that because I'm not a newbie, and I know people who achieved great success with lucid dreaming. I never heard of such a possibility and never stumbled upon it. Of course, I've probably just overlooked it. But I watched my personality and emotions closely in lucid dreams and worked with them, so I can say that you can't control emotions better than normally. You can only change your mind, e.g. if you're scared you think "Oh, that's just a dream..." Do you mean that kind of control? Explain.

Through the use of changing the dream environment and just pure focus on controlling the way I feel, I have created feelings of ecstasy, happiness, sexual eroticism, excitement, childhood nostalgia, and even feelings that correspond to drug effects. I am talking about superextreme forms of those feelings. But like I said, I have not been able to make any of those last more than a few seconds in a lucid dream. However, in non-lucid dreams I have experienced them for minutes at a time.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Through the use of changing the dream environment and just pure focus on controlling the way I feel, I have created feelings of ecstasy, happiness, sexual eroticism, excitement, childhood nostalgia, and even feelings that correspond to drug effects.

That's a normal control over emotions coupled with controlling them externally by creating different stimuli. I did it too, when I started doing something to kill the feeling of boredom, surely it worked. But it's temporary.
And emotions (as well as sensations) can be stronger in dreams, but it isn't you who made it possible, you just use it.

LUCID DREAMING ABILITY! 'Cuz then i could ask a DC the winning lotto numbers and win $120 million

LOL Cool thread Lucid Dream god, I was thinking about starting the same topic myself. I will Take Lucid Dreaming every night, over any amount of money any day. No matter how much money you have, It would never give you the kind of freedom you have in Lucid Dreams. And besides, Maybe you will be able to take your Lucid skills with you into the after life. who knows.
But we know for sure you will never take any money with you.

But then I don't have a family to provide for. If I did my answer would probably be different.

Some people may be able to get bored with Lucid Dreaming. But I know for a fact I never could.

Originally Posted by Caradon

But then I don't have a family to provide for. If I did my answer would probably be different.

Are members of your family the only people on Earth worth of care?
How about many many unfortunate people all over the world? You know, just recently the news was that innocent people (including kids) died in Aphganistan thanx to NATO. Some survived, as far as I understood, and got into the hospital. They'd need good medical care, and probably food and other things, if their families died.
There are many other examples of unfortunate people that can be thought about, that's just first that came to my mind.

Originally Posted by Intended

Are members of your family the only people on Earth worth of care?
How about many many unfortunate people all over the world? You know, just recently the news was that innocent people (including kids) died in Aphganistan thanx to NATO. Some survived, as far as I understood, and got into the hospital. They'd need good medical care, and probably food and other things, if their families died.
There are many other examples of unfortunate people that can be thought about, that's just first that came to my mind.

First of all I think this isn't really the intent of the thread. I don't think it was meant as a philosophical ethical discussion of whether you would do stuff for your self, or give to others. I think the starting point of this thread is that you would use the gift for your self and close friends or family, And the real question is: What will be more rewarding for you, to have a great LD ability or lots of money, not if you should keep your wealth, or give it away.

As for your boredom argument, this is definately relevant to the discussion, but it's a fact that some LD masters get bored with it, and some never do. Why wouldn't we take the LD, just because maybe we would get bored with it?

I can see how some people can get bored with it, if it's just a video game for them.
( Although many people that do treat LD as a video game never get bored with it )
But as others mentioned there is more to LD than that:
Exploring your subconscious, learning about your self.
Practicing abilities that can help you in waking life.
Doing some deep meditation, that can have a tremendous benficial impact on your life.
Using the dream world as a canvas for creativity: getting ideas for inventions, designing art, architecture, music, movie scripts, novels.
If you beleive in paranormal phenomena, you can try to use the dream world to tap it.

These things that I mentioned are example of deep, profound uses of LD. I don't see how you can get bored with them, without being generaly bored about life.

I agree with dodobird, I don't treat lucid dreaming as just a video game type experience I treat it as a real life experience, I treat my DC's as real people not that I think anyless of you guys and who knows I can't prove that your any more real then my DC's but just because I treat DC's like real people doesn't mean I treat the people of my waking life any diffrent, I'm a very scientific type person so experience is experience, the guys that I know who practice lding and got sick of it, they rufused to exept lucid dreaming as a real life experience, what does it matter reather your having a subjective experience or objective one either way it's your life, I define my life is my experience to me lucid dreaming is a real life experience I don't trick my mind to accept it as one, it is one.

Originally Posted by dodobird

I don't think it was meant as a philosophical ethical discussion of whether you would do stuff for your self, or give to others.

I explained that I wanted to add new perspectives to the thread. If you don't care for dying people and consider them as a distant "philosophical ethical discussion", it doesn't mean that everybody is like that. Adding this perspective would seem logical for those who aren't as cruel.

Exploring your subconscious, learning about your self.
Practicing abilities that can help you in waking life.
Doing some deep meditation, that can have a tremendous benficial impact on your life.
Using the dream world as a canvas for creativity: getting ideas for inventions, designing art, architecture, music, movie scripts, novels.
If you beleive in paranormal phenomena, you can try to use the dream world to tap it.

You can do all of this in life very well.

Originally Posted by LucidDreamGod

the guys that I know who practice lding and got sick of it, they rufused to exept lucid dreaming as a real life experience

Are you sure the same won't happen to you in a while? I'm pretty sure that everybody who eventually got bored was obsessed with lucid dreaming and never imagined that they could become bored with it. Maybe you just have some goals that you haven't reached, but once you'll reach them you might become bored, who knows...

Originally Posted by Intended

Are you sure the same won't happen to you in a while? I'm pretty sure that everybody who eventually got bored was obsessed with lucid dreaming and never imagined that they could become bored with it. Maybe you just have some goals that you haven't reached, but once you'll reach them you might become bored, who knows...

From the beginning he never wanted to except that, because he found much more meaning in his waking life, he would reather be awake then in the dream, he pretty much just used it to improve himself a bit and beleive me it worked and his confidents skyrocketed and he says he used to be alot diffrent before he could do that stuff, plus he kind of is into buddhism which is all about giving up your desires, so he doesn't fit the example you'd think a master lder would fit, I beleive most master lders are like this you have to be very patient and not obsessed to master lding the ability has alot to do with confidents and about 90% of us force confidents on are selves, that is why we fail so it makes since that alot of lding masters arn't the type of person to indulge them selves to the extreme, so they don't do it much because their not hedonists, we need to get an lding master in this thread, I wish I knew more then 1 personaly, I did know of another she never did get bored with it, but it's been like a year since I've seen her, alot of lding masters arn't big show offs at all so it's hard to find them.

You may be right we can get bored of lding eventualy who knows how long it'd take though, alot of lack of masters to talk to.

Also you can't practice social skills very well if you have very little to start with like me, it's very very difficult to talk to random people so lucids would be a valuable alternitive.

Originally Posted by Intended

I explained that I wanted to add new perspectives to the thread. If you don't care for dying people and consider them as a distant "philosophical ethical discussion", it doesn't mean that everybody is like that. Adding this perspective would seem logical for those who aren't as cruel.

Intended, I do care about dying people, why say that I don't?
I just think that this argument irrelevant to this topic, because it can be in a seperate topic that has nothing to do with lucid dreaming, such as: "if you were given 1 million dollars, would you take it all for your self, or give some of it to the poor" or something like that. IMHO This topic is about what is more benificial to you, money or LD ability.

Originally Posted by Intended

You can do all of this in life very well.

So what? You can also do all those things in dreams very well, and maybe even better. Your point is like saying that computers are useless for a designer, because you can do the designs the old way with pen and paper.

Originally Posted by Intended

That's a normal control over emotions coupled with controlling them externally by creating different stimuli. I did it too, when I started doing something to kill the feeling of boredom, surely it worked. But it's temporary.
And emotions (as well as sensations) can be stronger in dreams, but it isn't you who made it possible, you just use it.

So, now you say it is possible for people to control their emotions in dreams using just their own minds? But it is automatically temporary and it is impossible to make it last minutes at a time? What makes you so sure it is impossible to make it last minutes at a time?

Originally Posted by dodobird

I just think that this argument irrelevant to this topic, because it can be in a seperate topic that has nothing to do with lucid dreaming

I wanted to add a new perspective. Why I could add it about LDing and being bored with it, but not about what you would do with money? It wasn't specified in the topic that the money you'd get you'd have to use for yourself only, right? Such opinion is one-sided, so I added another one.
It's weird that you're so angry with an idea of helping people...

Your point is like saying that computers are useless for a designer, because you can do the designs the old way with pen and paper.

It's different, since you wouldn't do much better in dreams than in waking life. They're short, etc., so if you want to make them remotely beneficial for you you have to work for years, and even then proficiency would hardly be better than in life anyway, so it's wasting time.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What makes you so sure it is impossible to make it last minutes at a time?

I know how my brain functions And I know I get very tired of an intense emotion.

Originally Posted by Intended

I wanted to add a new perspective. Why I could add it about LDing and being bored with it, but not about what you would do with money? It wasn't specified in the topic that the money you'd get you'd have to use for yourself only, right? Such opinion is one-sided, so I added another one.
It's weird that you're so angry with an idea of helping people...

Why do you think I am angry? I simply voiced my opinion that the "helping" argument was irrelevant to the discussion, while the "boring" argument is very relevant.
It feels like you are taking this discussion too personally. It's not my intention to make you angry, and I my self am not angry at all.
I am not some kind of LD evangelizer, that tries to defend the LD reputation.
In any case, just to set the record strait, I am very altruistic, and if I gained wealth I would use it for others who are in need, and not for my own pleasure.

Originally Posted by Intended

It's different, since you wouldn't do much better in dreams than in waking life. They're short, etc., so if you want to make them remotely beneficial for you you have to work for years, and even then proficiency would hardly be better than in life anyway, so it's wasting time.

This is only your opinion that it's hardly better, and that it must take years to develop - Where is your evidence? Based on my limited experience, and on experience of others that I read on the site, the benefits can be huge, and it does not necessarily take so long to develop them.