Thread: Freedom of speec--, Oops.

This is pretty sick. Guy getting censored (arrested) and tazered for asking some questions at a John Kerry speech, or whatever it is.

I like the part where he screams for help, and then gets tazered for asking why he is being arrested.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=G505aKlYyd4

Different angle, but crappy quality.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iqAVvlyVbag

Pretty good case of censorship and police brutality right there.

Also, I know some people are going to say "He had it coming (the tazering), he shouldn't have resisted so much". I think that if you say that, you forget what happened. He got arrested for no reason at all, I would be pissed and confused too, if I did something I knew was legal, and got arrested for it.

(For people that think the guy is insane, like for saying Kerry (like Bush) was a member of the secret 'skull and bones' society: http://youtube.com/watch?v=rcZig9Fkr1A . They are/were both members.)

I guess I was wrong for being pro-democrat in the past. Republicans, democrats, all the same aristocrats.

Originally Posted by Neruo

I guess I was wrong for being pro-democrat in the past. Republicans, democrats, all the same aristocrats.

Welcome... to the real world.

It is a world where our "betters" believe they have a born privilege to rule us. Right and left, liberal and conservative are all ruses, useful only in keeping a conquered people divided and distracted.

We are peasants in the eyes of our leaders, nothing more. The deepest fears of our founding fathers have come to pass - that a government Of, By and For the People would break free of its Constitutional limitations and turn into a powerful, wealthy monster beyond the control of the governed.

The U.S. was the last, best bastion of hope for human liberty. Sadly, we failed over a hundred years ago. Now it is just a matter of history playing out and us keeping the slide down the slippery slope happening a slowly as possible.

Have a lovely day!

Originally Posted by Neruo

I guess I was wrong for being pro-democrat in the past. Republicans, democrats, all the same aristocrats.

Of course they are. In case you never noticed, neither party has an underlying principle or philosophy, and they really aren't any different. They have agreed to split up the voters in a certain way and share power, meanwhile keeping everyone else out. They've designed the system so no one else has a chance.

They could vote in the Soviet Union too, right, but there was only one party. Here we have two--not much better. Stupid Party vs. Evil Party, take your pick.

Who do you want as president. A member of skull and bones. Or a member of skull and bones. Either way skull and bones wins. How on earth did 2 members of skull and bones get into the 2 positions you are allowed to vote for? What are the chances?

And yes 911 caused a greater slide into the police state. Now terrorist laws are going to make everyone a terrorist for no reason and no more basic rights. 911 was such a unfortunate 'accident'. But a pretty profitable one for those gaining from all this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwTNuucgtuo

This is why I don't get out much. I am too dangerous. Anyone tries to taze me and they lose an eye at least. Those pigs had no cause to attack someone who was obviously harmless.

stupid fucking 'peasant' doesn't he know how much money there is to be made? the cops fought and he lost. no one can stop it. don't even try. give up...and instead go to church or watch celebrities on tv and forget about it.

liberal, conservative, communist, counterculture hippies.. fuuck that. don't get caught up in the opposition of the spectacle, kill the spectacle.

I think the guy who got tazered is a schmuck rotten punk who should be in jail right this second. He is such a typical example of personality disordered far leftists who were raised to believe you can get your way by being a loud cry baby and screaming, "I want that toy! I want that toy! You are repressing me! Waaaaaaaaaa!!!! " I despise people who act like that guy. He had his turn to talk to John Kerry about his Flying Spaghetti Monster ideas concerning the Illuminati and the Loch Ness Monster. He went over the time EVERYBODY was given to talk. He was politely asked to give somebody else a turn, but he was too narcissistic and sociopathic and histrionic to give a damn. He grabbed the microphone back when it was not his turn to talk and acted very obnoxious with it. He was politely asked to stop his tantrum. He would not do it. So security put their hands on him and calmly asked him to step away. He would not do it. So they physically drug him away. He resisted and started trying to make even more of a spectacle of himself and moved in that unstable and out of control state toward a senator. That cannot just be allowed. Then several security people got on him and tried to drag him out. He just resisted and screamed even more. THEN he got tazered. And he overreacted and acted hysterical about that and made it obvious that he is a selfishly obnoxious attention craver. Screw that punk. He deserved much worse than that.

http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/c...full/39/1/25-a

http://www.ptypes.com/histrionicpd.html

http://www.fortunecity.com/campus/ps...81/bpd-dsm.htm

http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/dsm-iv.html

Originally Posted by Neruo

I guess I was wrong for being pro-democrat in the past. Republicans, democrats, all the same aristocrats.

The American 2 party system right here
Guy 1 - "I think the puppet on the left shares my beliefs."
Guy 2 - "The puppet on the right is more to my liking"
Both - "HEY! Both puppets are being held by the same guy!"

While this guy was getting pretty loud, I still think he had every constitutional right to be up there asking that question. I don’t see why the cops rushed him so quickly either, I’m a criminal justice major in college currently, and from a family of cops, and I don’t really see what the guy did that was so wrong. Sure he was getting somewhat aggressive sounding, and maybe slightly disruptive, but that was no reason to go and take him down like that. The police just can’t get a good image on a college campus; remember the thing at UCLAs library? It was a pretty similar situation. I think a lot of it is police on a college campus either feeling very afraid of feeling as if they need to assert their authority over “kids”.

Don’t get me wrong, as I stated earlier, I’m pretty pro-police especially when they do need to step in, I think everyone has to agree that there are some situation that the police are extremely helpful in, but things like this is just getting them a bad image. It almost seems like the police are heading back toward the public image they had in the 60’s or so, more of the aggressive robots rather than community policing for the good of the neighborhood. Every time I see something like this and hear cops yelling “Get back, get back!” to on lookers, I just wish they would get overran by everyone watching, I’m sure that sounds pretty aggressive, but like Omnius said earlier, Abbie Hoffman was doing this same sort of thing, while violence can’t solve anything, just accepting what happens to people who assert their freedom of speech won’t either. It really does seem like freedom is slowly getting taken away while people just allow it to, and want to call anyone who hangs on to freedom “silly liberals”

Aldrich, your dam right. Now think even more outside the box and we are getting somewhere.

How is the tazer harmful?

Aldrich, he went over his allowed time. Would it have been a problem if he held the microphone for the next two days? It wasn't his. If you let somebody borrow your lighter or your make up mirror, they don't get to hold it for as long as they feel like it. That was just one of the problems.

Mystic. Just to clear one thing up, the taser is not a "lethal" weapon. It hurts like a bitch, yes, but (though things have gone wrong in a handlful of situations) it is not a lethal weapon. A lethal weapon is something that is used to cause fatal harm. A gun is a lethal weapon. A knife is a lethal weapon. A taser is not.

And I have no qualms about this guy standing up and asking his questions to Kerry. Whatever he wanted to ask, if you ask me, is fair game. I don't know how many of you have actually been to functions like this one, but I know that there is absolutely nothing more annoying than a guy that thinks he has all the right in the world to take all the time in the world to hog the mic. (There were people actually getting up and leaving because of this guy hogging the mic. I doubt that was because of the questions he was asking.) These things are scheduled events that operate on a time-table. This is something that everybody knows, before coming to said function. I don't care who you are, or how many good questions you have, in a democractic society (since the concept is being thrown around so much), if rules are set so that everyone should get an allotted time at a mic to ask their questions it is not in your authority to say "fuck you, I'll be here until I get done." Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

Now, again, I think the cops could have handled it a little differently. I don't think these clips show it, but the reason he was tasered (or, the final reason as it was admittedly escalated) was that the lady cop was asking him to put his arm down. After everything that had happened, they had him on the ground and were, yes, arresting him (whether or not that was right is not what I'm touching on), but the lady cop made a clear order for him to put his arm down, and he had one hand still in the air, refusing to put it behind his back. (I'll watch these clips again to see if they show that, but I saw that on FOX, from another angle.)
He refused to put his arm down, obviously defiant. Even when he was screaming "don't tase me bro, don't tase me" he still had his arm in the air and refused to put it down. So..they tased him.

In the beginning, had he told them, politely "Ok, give me 15 more seconds, and let me ask these final questions and I'll be done" things might not have escalated. But he gave the cops, even when being asked quietly to leave the mic, a "step the fuck back, I can ask my questions" attitude, and things got out of hand from there. I don't think the questions that he was asking had much to do with it, it was his hostility and the subsequent reactions to it, that caused the whole thing.