My assesment of the UFO phenomena

I have spent roughly 30 or more hours looking into countless documentaries, interviews, email discussion with amatuer UFOlogists and via at least one anonymous source, concerning the UFO phenomenon.

I have compiled a list of all my different video resources. they are:

these you can look up on google video:

UFO the greatest story Ever Denied.

Fastwalkers

The Disclosure project: the taped conference. 2 hours of witness testemonial, a number of interviews with DR. steven Greer.

look up "Stephen basset full interview"

Coast to coast with David icke on youtube.

www.projectcamelot.net interviews:

Dan Sherman , Bob Dean, Jim Sparks, SGT. Clifford stone, Ralph Ring, Henr Deacon, Dan Burisch, and MR.X

Man, I've seen so much info on this UFO subject that i don't know what to believe about it anymore LOL. A lot of people all have different pieces of the puzzle. These pieces do fit together but are also mixed in with a lot of dis info. . I Don't have an official belief on this phenomena. That is to say i neither believe it nor dis believe it. This study has been wracking on my brain so i will probably stop researching at this point. Here are a few vague points that i think are pieces of the big puzzle.

1: SOMETHING crashed in Roswell. whatever it was was considered way above top secret. Technology was acquired. This was back engineered into technology being used by a shadow government today. ie UFOs, time devices, alien communication etc.

2: We are being engaged by a number of different Alien species. Some are humans from the future, Some are not. Some are from different timelines. Some have good intent some don't.

3. The Shadow government knew about the events of 911 at least several years before it happened. 911 was either planned by them or it was fortold by aliens, or alien technology.

4. Something will happen from now to around 2016. It is unclear what will exactly happen. there are a number of theories.(mass UFO landings, worldwide power outages, 2 thirds of the planets population may or may not die) The outcome of the coming years depends on our spiritual growth and the amount of disclosure the public will be made aware of as REAL.

Those seem to be the main commonalaties that i have found in my research. Like i said it's a very vague picture. but, we may or may not find out in the coming years.

You just made my world way more complicated.

5. There are aliens. They do visit Earth. They do research on us just like we would do if we had that technology. If they can make it to our planet, then they could destroy it easily if they wanted to. So there is yet to be an alien species to want to destroy us.

^ That's part of my alien "belief". There's much more to it though.

Your numbers 3 and 4 are kind of stupid. Those are two of the commonalities?

I looked through the videos he suggested and it seems like they are actually very common theories. My life was so much simpler when my research had just confirmed enlightenment, ghosts, God, parallel universes and qi were real. Now there's humans from the future and aliens in the mix, too. I feel like a character from Lost.

Maybe I need to become more skeptical, but the research I've done, from my standpoint, makes it reasonable that all of the above are not just possible, but probable. I feel like if anyone received the same information they'd be in the same boat. Thank god I'm not one to have beliefs or I'd have some fucked up ideas.

You have most likely considered that unidentified flying objects are that of our own government?
The peoples experiences are the lack of knowledge towards HI, HH and similar subconscious performances. IMHO :)

Coast to coast

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I looked through the videos he suggested and it seems like they are actually very common theories. My life was so much simpler when my research had just confirmed enlightenment, ghosts, God, parallel universes and qi were real. Now there's humans from the future and aliens in the mix, too. I feel like a character from Lost.

Maybe I need to become more skeptical, but the research I've done, from my standpoint, makes it reasonable that all of the above are not just possible, but probable. I feel like if anyone received the same information they'd be in the same boat. Thank god I'm not one to have beliefs or I'd have some fucked up ideas.

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Yea, I know what you mean. I've done tons of research too. I'm just talking about people believing that aliens planned 9/11? That's a common theory? Rofl. And that something big will happen from now and 2016? What does that have to do with aliens though. There are already mass UFO landings .... lotsa power outages all the time... but anyways, I though that was just about the 2012 theory. Where did this 2016 come from? In case 2012 winds up being a couple more years off? haha.

Actually you just have to examine history. 2012 is when our sun aligns with the ceneter of the galaxy, this happens once every >13,000 years. We pass the center of the galaxy all the time, but its only during a solstice that we are aligned with it. Last time it was during summer solstice, and that can be roughly linked to when the Youger Dryas period ended abruptly. The Younger Dryas was a cooling period that lasted a few thousand years and formed the ice bridge which allowed humans to make it to the new world originally. When it ended abruptly like that, for no apparent cause, tons of island and sea adjacent civilizations had to start over.

Not only that, but it appears the cro magnums were wiped out by a volcano around 26,000 years ago. The reason I'm mentioning this is because time didn't just stop at this period, something devastating occurred around this time. It could take decades, like the ending of the younger dryas did, but when perceiving it from intervals of thousands of years, it still pretty accurately says we're going to face some sort of disasterous period.

If there was a "being" capable of space travel, do you think it might be a bit more intellectual and advanced than us?

Crashing into are planet?. Doubts.

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Actually you just have to examine history. 2012 is when our sun aligns with the ceneter of the galaxy, this happens once every >13,000 years. We pass the center of the galaxy all the time, but its only during a solstice that we are aligned with it. Last time it was during summer solstice, and that can be roughly linked to when the Youger Dryas period ended abruptly. The Younger Dryas was a cooling period that lasted a few thousand years and formed the ice bridge which allowed humans to make it to the new world originally. When it ended abruptly like that, for no apparent cause, tons of island and sea adjacent civilizations had to start over.

Not only that, but it appears the cro magnums were wiped out by a volcano around 26,000 years ago. The reason I'm mentioning this is because time didn't just stop at this period, something devastating occurred around this time. It could take decades, like the ending of the younger dryas did, but when perceiving it from intervals of thousands of years, it still pretty accurately says we're going to face some sort of disasterous period.

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I know all of that already man. You can read that in any website dedicated to the 2012 theory... It still doesn't explain what it has to do with UFOs and aliens though. I'm not saying that you're trying to explain that. I'm just wondering how it's one of the biggest beliefs that UFOs have to do with this.

Well I'm not big on the 2012 theory. But A few interviewees have mentioned something from now, one says from now till 20012, another says full contact will be made by 2016. I am just proposing that Something will happen within the time period according to these guys.

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5. There are aliens. They do visit Earth. They do research on us just like we would do if we had that technology. If they can make it to our planet, then they could destroy it easily if they wanted to. So there is yet to be an alien species to want to destroy us.

^ That's part of my alien "belief". There's much more to it though.

Your numbers 3 and 4 are kind of stupid. Those are two of the commonalities?

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Oh yeah they could destroy us. They've disarmed nuked beings tested in mid air. remember the theory that the government will enforce STAR WARS (nuclear weapons in space) against aliens. on youtube lookup: columbia disaster UFO. that's right people are blaming it on UFO's. This could be the first of media propoganda to support this theory.

www.paradigmresearchgroup.org

Breaking News: A representative of PRG (PRG is in association with the Disclosure project) will be on Larry King Live This friday. This is the first time a TV program with the stature and crediility of Larry King, Will discuss UFO disclosure.

Bill Cooper, as many are familiar with, claimed that the UFO scare was manufactured by the govt (using experimental aircraft, and sensationalized media) as a possible control mechanism. This might be another reason the govt has tried so hard to keep the information it has private.

I'm quite indifferent to UFO's and space aliens in general, even if they are real and among us. Either they feel the need to interact with the human race, in which case there would be no question of their existence(and would likely be interacting with us already), or they don't, in which case their existence would be interesting, but not really that important. It would do little except to give us hope that technology may eventually be discovered that would allow humans to explore the galaxy.

I have to chide the scientific community on UFO cases, though. Science is incomplete where experiments cannot be replicated. As such, scientists dismiss the existence of UFOs too readily, treating them the same way as natural phenomena, when the best that can be said is that they are uncertain of the existence of such spacecraft without having such a spacecraft to test.

I have a theory for you.

65 million years ago it was proposed that a natural event caused the extinction of a majority of the earth's species, including the dinosaurs. There was one species of dinosaur though that developed a higher level of thinking over the timespan of many million years before this catastrophic event occured.

They were much like the way we are today, and developed radical technologies as the ages past. Eventually, they faced the problem of overpopulation, and found that with their new mastery of creating artificial gravity they could begin to spread across the galaxy itself.

A vehicle was built from synthetic matter, something that would resemble our modern day "death star" from star wars. It orbitted the earth, a spectacle for all members of the species to behold. It created tides in the oceans and altered weather patterns as a result. A second was built, and a third.

Due to reasons unknown by them, one of their space stations had malfunctioned, and slowly began it's decent towards the earth. The impact sent a violent wave of dust over the planet that blotted out much of the sunlight and dropped tempuratures dramatically. These reptilian creatures had made the planet uninhabitable for themselves, and were now more than ever in desperate need of a new home. They piloted the third of the stations across the vast void of space, leaving the first ever built behind in orbit around earth to keep a watchful eye over the planet they would oneday reclaim again as their own.

And so it was, these intelligent beings interracted with humanity 65 million years later in such a ways that allowed for our technology to be discovered much faster than would otherwise be normal if we were left to make these breakthroughs on our own. They taught us how to build.

In the long run, humanity remains a self-propogating terraforming project meant to accomplish nothing more than warm the atmosphere once more for our cold-blooded friends. Fossil fuels have become technologically primitive, yet we find ourselves undeniably attached to their use.

It was widely accepted that our moon had come from the Earth while the planet was being formed, only because the same side of the moon faces the Earth every minute, of ever hour, of every day, and so on and so forth. That was, until they realised the matter the moon was composed of was nothing at all like that of which the earth is made up of. How odd a coincidence is it that the moon, a now known foriegn body of mass, just so happens to face us with the same side at any given time? The chances are astronomical!

Well, that's the theory. I thought it up once when I was left to wonder why no other species had ever "evolved" before we humans came into being, until I realized that it could be entirely possible.

Why would aliens come to earth? I think it's because...

http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip...521/earth2.jpg

Why would they come? To answer that. If humanknig had space travel and could visit other worlds, we would most likely seek out other life.

THEY ARE HERE! look at some of the material that's here. It is undeniable.

ranma you have changed your tune. Ofcourse with all your research you would.

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I'm quite indifferent to UFO's and space aliens in general, even if they are real and among us. Either they feel the need to interact with the human race, in which case there would be no question of their existence(and would likely be interacting with us already), or they don't, in which case their existence would be interesting, but not really that important.

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That's quite a silly attitude. It's not important at all. It's just like the biggest thing in human history and you don't want it to phase you. Maybe your scared of what they know.

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ranma you have changed your tune. Ofcourse with all your research you would.



That's quite a silly attitude. It's not important at all. It's just like the biggest thing in human history and you don't want it to phase you. Maybe your scared of what they know.

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thanks. They shut me up. failure 101

Well, I'm not sure about Dan Burich's claims. It seems to be a some truth mixed in witha lot of dis info. If he did indeed work for majestic 12, much of what he has to say would be falls.

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Originally Posted by ranma187

1: SOMETHING crashed in Roswell. whatever it was was considered way above top secret. Technology was acquired. This was back engineered into technology being used by a shadow government today. ie UFOs, time devices, alien communication etc.

2: We are being engaged by a number of different Alien species. Some are humans from the future, Some are not. Some are from different timelines. Some have good intent some don't.

3. The Shadow government knew about the events of 911 at least several years before it happened. 911 was either planned by them or it was fortold by aliens, or alien technology.

4. Something will happen from now to around 2016. It is unclear what will exactly happen. there are a number of theories.(mass UFO landings, worldwide power outages, 2 thirds of the planets population may or may not die) The outcome of the coming years depends on our spiritual growth and the amount of disclosure the public will be made aware of as REAL.

Those seem to be the main commonalaties that i have found in my research. Like i said it's a very vague picture. but, we may or may not find out in the coming years.

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This is the problem with the net day to day. If I had a dollar for every time i've seen a story about a big even of the apocalypse, UFO landings, over power of another existance far beyond the planet taking over earth, aztec stories, etc, the world wouldn't be hungry. Another bullshit theory...

I read a pretty wild theory of all of this the other day. tying the maya 2012 theory, aliens, religion, illuminati control etc... the whole nine.

Some of you may have noticed recently that talk of aliens is making its way into the media. I can get youtube links if need be.
theory goes... the government has holographic technology, that can make images appear in the atmosphere, that look incredibly life like, can move etc... but are just holograms. they will also use anti-gravity aircraft they have right now, that they reverse enginereed from downed UFOs like roswell etc... they are conditioning us to really take aliens seriously at the moment, and then to fear them.
when the time comes, they will wage a fake war against aliens in the atmosphere for all to see, except it will largely be holographic. some of it will be real though, and thats where it gets really weird.
it said this will happen dduring to return of christ, because God and angels, are going to arrive on a spaceship, and take us off the earth with them.
theres a passage in the bible that says something along the lines of "I go now to make a place for you, but one day I will return".. making a plcae for us, and are now coming back to take us there.
except, governemtn/illuminit is conditoning us to fear these aliens, and when they arrive to take up arms against them and fight them. theres a passage in revalations that says something about "when the lord arrives, the whole of earth will wage war on him"..meaning we'll be fighting the return of christ.
those of us who do go with them, have just been a part of the rapture, those that fight them and stay behind, will be citizens in the illuminatis 1 world government, which won't be hard to acheive once were invaded by aliens. the whole world would have to work together in that case, justifying their new world order etc...

pretty crazy shit. I'll post a link to where i read about this.

watch the movie "Independance Day" with Will Smith for a general idea.

I'm 95% sure that all unexplained UFO sitings are experimental aircraft, which is why goverments try to cover up some and issue lame excuses as to what they may be.

Steven Greer has been asked by a major goverment of the world to fully disclose UFO's to the world public and make first contact.

Solskye double click

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I'm 95% sure that all unexplained UFO sitings are experimental aircraft, which is why goverments try to cover up some and issue lame excuses as to what they may be.

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I think so too. The highest concentrations of UFO sightings happen near military bases, such as Area 51 and the Navy base in Pensacola, Florida. I really doubt that that is a coincidence. I have experienced two UFO sightings in Pensacola myself.

I see UFOs every day. I can't tell the difference between a 757 and 737 when its 30,000 feet up.

Does anyone here (non-skeptic) think that aliens communicate by crop-circles. Im just curious about that and what science has said about it with the expolsion and all.

wow nobody watched the vid where the guy announces a major goverment wants to disclose it all and make first contact. double click the vid.

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wow nobody watched the vid where the guy announces a major goverment wants to disclose it all and make first contact. double click the vid.

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Your vid does not work any more, at least that is what it said when i tried to play it. Double clicking it doesn't work either. I smell goverment conspiracy about this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGWRB...ad.php?t=46294


Edit: the direct link seems to work for me.

Yeah so i just got done watching the video. From the video i could tell that it was made last year at around this time. What has been done on the ce-5 project? What country was he talking about?

He talks a big game though, like actually luring in ET's and engaging conversation with them. Have they done this yet? Im a bit skeptic of the whole thing.

P.S- That guy is jacked.

The possiblities are big, on both sides..... in fact, the disclosureproject it self could be sponsored by the government. In attempt to open up people for "Alien existance".
The fact is, something is indeed going on behind our backs. What ever it is, im sure you cant compare it with Santa Claus.

I highly doubt hes working for the government the dis inform people. There's a such a thing as being too paranoid. Are you gonna get suspicious of me now for saying that?

U dont need to draw conclusions on my statement, i said its a probability.

Since we dont know anything about its Source. It could be anything.

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Hi Folks...Just got started here yesterday and am glad to find a variety of subjects...
This particular thread reminded me of some recurring dreams I was having some years ago concerning some sort of *battle?* going on in the night sky...
I would be looking up at the sky, and what I thought were stars began to move, and to make formations...Then I would see flares streaking back and forth, tho didn't see anything get *hit*...So maybe it wasn't a battle..
I was awestruck by the whole scene, and it was that kind of dream where each time I had it, including the first time, I could *remember* seeing it before...The same sort of *light show*....I had it so often at one point, on awaking, I had trouble remembering it was a dream and not something that had happened in regular time the night before...
I have never seen a movie with a view of that sort of thing that I recall...except if I count Close Encounters, but even that wasn't the same, tho lights in the night sky happened in it...
Anyhow....I have also seen a few things while awake, and someone was with me and saw what I saw..
1. One night my teenaged son and I were outside sitting around a little fire, listening to the boombox, and just enjoying the night..All of a sudden, I had the urge to turn completely around and look up over the house..I hadn't heard anything...Just felt the urge to look...and about 2 seconds later, here came some sort of aircraft gliding really low...and really close..So close, we could see lights along the body of the craft that were turned TOWARD the craft...not outward...and we could see the lights shining on the craft body...
We could'nt hear anything, so we turned off the boombox real quick, and STILL didn't hear anything...which should'nt have been possible since the thing was so freakin close...It wasn't free floating, it was giong in a definate direction, and it was definately metallic, though not chrome shiney...
As is passed, we could see two red lights on the back like taillights...which seemed weird...They weren't blinking..just red lights...It was so dark, I really could'nt be sure of the shape of the craft, though we both definately got the impression of a sort of triangular shape...It was definately bigger than a greyhound bus lengthwise, but not super huge...
We didn't live near a military base, and no one I talked to later could tell me what the heck it was...
2. Another night in the same area, I was out sweeping the front porch, and I suddenly had the urge to look up toward the ridge, and I saw what I thought was an airplane climbing, as I saw a bright *headlight* that appeared to be going upward...In just a bit, the light appeared to stop, and I thought the plane was now just moving toward me and I would detect that movement moentarily...but it didn't happen...I called my son out to look at it, and as we watched it, I began to feel a not unpleasant tingling sensation starting in my head and running the full length of my body...
We watched that thing for at least a half hour, and it never moved...I wasn't really into looking for UFOs at the time, and didn't feel a need to stand there all night waiting for it to move...
Later, my son told me that he had noticed two other bright lights fixed above and to each side of the main one...I had not noticed those, as I had my eyes, for a little while, just locked onto that main one...
After talking to other people around there about it, I found out that people were saying that a lot of UFOs had been seen for years in that area...
Me? I don't know what's what...but I know that if WE can exist, so can others...regardless of whether what my son and I saw were things/beings from some other realm/universe/whatever, or something the govt was doing...

wow divide that into paragraphs! anyway i get UFO apocalypse dreams all the time. Hard to tell if they are prophetic or some paranoid part of me. I get a general sense the human race will be really challenged in our own survival concerning UFO's soon. within a few years.

Alien love. I have alien love... <3 <3 <3

I wonder which will become acceptable first: revealing any existing aliens, or creating human clones...? Which do you think, Ranma?

well abra that is a good subject to consider. I think a disclosure would freak people out at first but eventually we would be able to handle. If there are black ops base that have backwards engineered propultion systems that use up no fossil fuel and don't pollute. People will probably demand that technology come out.

I'm not too sure about the clones. that seems to revolve around the abduction experience. probably the most convincing book i have read on that subject was: Sight unseen. I forget the authors name (Budd Hopkins) but he provided a pretty convincing case.

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wow divide that into paragraphs! anyway i get UFO apocalypse dreams all the time. Hard to tell if they are prophetic or some paranoid part of me. I get a general sense the human race will be really challenged in our own survival concerning UFO's soon. within a few years.

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