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      Will you get the National ID card?

      Keep in mind what you'd possibly be losing by refusing a National ID card:

      -Driving privileges
      -All of your rights as an American citizen if you can't present it to an Officer
      -Your ability to get a job
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      Quote Originally Posted by Omnius Deus View Post
      Keep in mind what you'd possibly be losing by refusing a National ID card:

      -Driving privileges
      -All of your rights as an American citizen if you can't present it to an Officer
      -Your ability to get a job
      1. Bicycles are better for the environment
      2. Isn't that happening now anyway?
      3. Luckily for me I never was keen on "getting employed" but rather doing the employing.

      TO HELL WITH THE ID CARD, AND TO HELL WITH OUR GOVERNMENT...I'M A HUMAN BEING GODDAMNIT!! MY LIFE HAS VALUE!!
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      I would like to say no. I couldn't claim "no" until the time comes.

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      No.

      If the law comes around I think I'll have to move out. It's just like an invasion. I was planning to move out anyway. I hope France deosnt require these.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Jeff777 View Post
      1. Bicycles are better for the environment
      2. Isn't that happening now anyway?
      3. Luckily for me I never was keen on "getting employed" but rather doing the employing.

      TO HELL WITH THE ID CARD, AND TO HELL WITH OUR GOVERNMENT...I'M A HUMAN BEING GODDAMNIT!! MY LIFE HAS VALUE!!
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      What`s so nasty about this card anyways, is it bugged or something?

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      Well it has an arrow pointing towards big brother and, to Christians, major implications.

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      ID # 1442865 says I do

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      Yeah aside from a tracking chip there's also talk by certain bankers and other very powerful people that an ID card r even eventually a chip implanted in your skin should be connected to your only bank account and that without it electronically installed one would not be able to buy or sell. The bible reference is that in the time when the beast reigns no one would be able to buy or sell with the mrk or the number that is their name.

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      Am I getting the wrong end of the stick here, or is this just political propoganda when they say these ID cards will help to eliminate terrorism, or go some way to helping deporation etc of anyone who cannot present a valid ID card?

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      Yup. Look up RFID the technology is becoming rapidly available. Chips are already being implanted for certain reasons and, if I’m not mistaken, used in passports. Also, folks, another reason I would be angry if this national ID card just sprung out is because it's been in the works for a long time. Since May 2003 or before. Why in the world has it been kept in the dark? Why hasn't there been much media coverage on it? It's damn suspicious, not to mention the slimy tactics used to get the REAL ID act passed way back when. They attached it on to a hurricane relief bill so no one with good conscious could say no. What kind of political system is that? Sad thing is they've used the same tactic for getting other things passed as well.

      I don't trust America anymore. At times I might even say I hate America. I'm sick of the nation being distracted on red versus blue (we‘re not really in a war right now), and I'm sick of being tricked. They can say what they want about the benefit of national ID card, but I will always remain suspicious of their true motive (most likely something to do with money).

      Sorry, I rant.
      Last edited by GestaltAlteration; 12-05-2007 at 09:06 PM.

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      Giving a single card so much power means that a single card can take away that power. If your card is damaged, lost, or stolen, you have lost your ability to do many important tasks, and how will you prove your identity so that you can get a new card? You'd use all of the personal information that is already being used to prove your identity.

      In essence, the NID is only as secure as that information is, and the NID makes that information less secure because it creates new venues by which that information can be lost or stolen.

      It's primary purpose is to give the federal government the power to deactivate your ID card so that you can no longer perform basic tasks, a crime-prevention tactic. Of course, if the government suspected you of a crime, its priority should be to arrest you, not prevent you from performing legal activities(I assume illicit activities would not require ID).

      On the plus side, when most common tasks require all of the information that the NID will contain, it'll be more convenient to use the NID.
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      I hate to say it, but this rebellion is a bit pointless. First of all, we already have National ID's, they're called Social Security Numbers. You already need an ID to drive, its called a drivers liscence. All this national ID is, is all of these things THAT WE ALREADY HAVE consolidated into one ID, instead of many. Its not anymore (or less) "evil" than what is already in place.

      Suprise!

      They can already deactive your rights whenever they want! Simply because they have to deactive two ID's instead of one doesn't change this fact

      However, as soon as GPS implants become mandatory, then I'll have something to gripe about.
      Last edited by ethen; 12-05-2007 at 09:21 PM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Adam View Post
      Am I getting the wrong end of the stick here, or is this just political propoganda when they say these ID cards will help to eliminate terrorism, or go some way to helping deporation etc of anyone who cannot present a valid ID card?
      It could help, but I think terrorists mostly work underground. So if a police officer doesn't stop him, not even an ID card will help.
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      Quote Originally Posted by GestaltAlteration View Post
      Yup. Look up RFID the technology is becoming rapidly available. Chips are already being implanted for certain reasons and, if I’m not mistaken, used in passports. Also, folks, another reason I would be angry if this national ID card just sprung out is because it's been in the works for a long time. Since May 2003 or before. Why in the world has it been kept in the dark? Why hasn't there been much media coverage on it? It's damn suspicious, not to mention the slimy tactics used to get the REAL ID act passed way back when. They attached it on to a hurricane relief bill so no one with good conscious could say no. What kind of political system is that? Sad thing is they've used the same tactic for getting other things passed as well.

      I don't trust America anymore. At times I might even say I hate America. I'm sick of the nation being distracted on red versus blue (we‘re not really in a war right now), and I'm sick of being tricked. They can say what they want about the benefit of national ID card, but I will always remain suspicious of their true motive (most likely something to do with money).

      Sorry, I rant.
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      Quote Originally Posted by ethen View Post
      I hate to say it, but this rebellion is a bit pointless. First of all, we already have National ID's, they're called Social Security Numbers. You already need an ID to drive, its called a drivers liscence. All this national ID is, is all of these things THAT WE ALREADY HAVE consolidated into one ID, instead of many. Its not anymore (or less) "evil" than what is already in place.

      Suprise!

      They can already deactive your rights whenever they want! Simply because they have to deactive two ID's instead of one doesn't change this fact

      However, as soon as GPS implants become mandatory, then I'll have something to gripe about.
      Taking away human rights is still a recent event and protesting the NID is just the opportunity Americans all finally have to say no to all the BS the federal government has been trying to pull.

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      Quote Originally Posted by R.D.735 View Post
      Giving a single card so much power means that a single card can take away that power. If your card is damaged, lost, or stolen, you have lost your ability to do many important tasks, and how will you prove your identity so that you can get a new card? You'd use all of the personal information that is already being used to prove your identity.

      In essence, the NID is only as secure as that information is, and the NID makes that information less secure because it creates new venues by which that information can be lost or stolen.

      It's primary purpose is to give the federal government the power to deactivate your ID card so that you can no longer perform basic tasks, a crime-prevention tactic. Of course, if the government suspected you of a crime, its priority should be to arrest you, not prevent you from performing legal activities(I assume illicit activities would not require ID).

      On the plus side, when most common tasks require all of the information that the NID will contain, it'll be more convenient to use the NID.

      First the bad news...but look at the bright side!

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      Quote Originally Posted by Omnius Deus View Post
      Taking away human rights is still a recent event and protesting the NID is just the opportunity Americans all finally have to say no to all the BS the federal government has been trying to pull.

      But what rights do we have now that we will loose if we get NIDs?

      I mean, if you are going to protest stuff like this, that’s perfectly fine. I'm all for challenging the government when its warranted...but don't do it just to do it. Try to accomplish something a bit more constructive than defiance for defiance's sake. Like I said before, we already have national ID's. Protesting this isn't going to change that. We already need ID's to drive, and protesting this isn't going to change that.

      So what's the point in protesting this, seriously?

      I may just be missing something, but as I understand the issue, all this is is the consolidation of several different types of IDs *we already have* into one. There is nothing dubious about that, its just more efficient. And to tell you the truth, I’ve never seen anyone complain about SSNs or needing a license to drive until the idea of NIDs...which makes me wonder why suddenly people seem to act like this stuff is a "new and serious threat to our rights" even though this level of citizen-documentation has been around long before people our age had even been born. It’s almost as if this anti-government mentality is just another trend the youth is buying into.

      But don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the government, and I do believe that our rights are slowly being eroded away. I just think protesting this specific issue is a waist of time and energy because, even if people somehow managed to keep the government from making NIDs mandatory, it doesn't actually change anything. We're all already in the system to the same extent we would be with NIDs. If you want to counteract the erosion of our rights, do something that is actually going to make a difference.

      For your average citizen, this isn't going to change anything. Your SSN can be flagged and your driver's license can be revoked without your permission nowadays, so no change there. The only changes will be that undocumented citizens are going to have a MUCH harder time surviving in this country (since the NID can't be easily forged), and I imagine that this would be the same for wanted criminals.

      So, in what situations exactly would this ID take your rights away? You no longer have the right to get a job if your a wanted criminal or an illegal immigrant? Ok. You can no longer legally drive if your a wanted criminal or an illegal immigrant? Fine. And how exactly does this harm your average citizen?




      Quote Originally Posted by Moonbeam View Post
      First the bad news...

      Its not news if they can already do it
      Last edited by ethen; 12-06-2007 at 03:56 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Spartiate
      What`s so nasty about this card anyways
      We can't afford your apparant ignorance

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      Quote Originally Posted by ethen View Post
      Its not news if they can already do it
      I don't have any card like that now. What do you mean?

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      We can't afford or have time for moonbeam either. Move out the way.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Moonbeam View Post
      I don't have any card like that now. What do you mean?
      The card doesn't allow the government any more power over the citizens than they already have. What it does do is allow the government to make it much harder to be an undocumented citizen and survive in this country, and the same would probably be true for criminal with warrants.




      Quote Originally Posted by Mystic7 View Post
      We can't afford or have time for moonbeam either. Move out the way.
      Paranoia seems like one of the most effective tools for manipulating the populations, and makes me wonder if the illuminatti has as much control over the world as people seem to think, and if they "control all sides", then stuff like that video seems suspect for foul play in itself, no?

      Nothing would distract us more or destroy us faster than ourselves fighting each other as "they" sit back and watch...
      Last edited by ethen; 12-06-2007 at 04:22 AM.

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      What about tracking devices? There's certainly nothing like that yet.

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      Since when were there ever going to be tracking devices in the NIDs? Am i missing something??
      Last edited by ethen; 12-06-2007 at 04:23 AM.

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