Thread: Psychology: Male vs Female

I think it stands to reason that social inequality has played a role in the development in the womans role in science, don't you think.

We have obvious differences. Some I feel are evolutionary. Meant to be? Not meaning it cannot and are not changing.

Our culture is changing so it provides the forum for us as men and woman to change

Originally Posted by Howie

I think it stands to reason that social inequality has played a role in the development in the womans role in science, don't you think.

We have obvious differences. Some I feel are evolutionary. Meant to be? Not meaning it cannot and are not changing.

Our culture is changing so it provides the forum for us as men and woman to change

Perhaps. However, some differences are beyond our power, such as males being more developmentally vulnerable. It is just plain fact that male embryo's die significantly more than female ones.

Also, the females enlarge hemispheres and more concentrated corpus callosum give rise to their emotional abilities. Whereas, males endorphin levels ilicit their pain tolerance.

What can change this? In a life time, you would have to work very hard between the ages of 2 to puberty to deliberately fight the nature and nurturing aspect of the individual. In the long run? Evolutionary changes are all that could eventually make a significant impact.
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It just so happens that I just read a book by Fromm and he made it very clear what I also think and have always thought: Any kind of social equality refers to the ethical value of a person or a group of persons. It means treating human beings as an end-in-itself rather than a means to an end. That is all. It does not mean equality as in becoming more alike. Never in a thousand years.

This seems very obvious, yet not many seem to grasp this.

The Feminist movement of the 70s has taught us that it is not OK to be a man. But it is not OK to be a woman either, since this would mean not only that you are weaker than the man but also that you are not as dominant as the man. I think it has long been the time to understand that equality and gender equality should not be about making the genders more alike. What a horrible thought. And yet this is what is happening and what many propose should be the goal of social change.

The reason is simple - At first sight it would seem contradictory to demand social/political/economic rights for women and yet accept and embrace the fact that women are weaker, more passive and submissive than men and look up to men for help and guidance. It is in our generation that we face the task of integrating both of these aspects and bringing them into harmonic unity. Attempts have been made even in the time of the Feminist movement, but the world wasn't ready back then.

This is the reason why we have sexually repressed men (like I used to be) and women who think they need to be all tough to survive in the world.

So, I have to wonder why you two are talking about "changing" things. I don't think there is any need for change, except maybe undo the psychological changes the genders have undergone in the past decades and leave only the sociopolitical aspects. Men and women are clearly different. They should be most different from each other. More different than any other two human beings can be at all. And they should stay this way - highly different. Men and women are perfectly OK the way they are.

And yes, evolution has made men meant to be dominant, aggressive, direct and rational. And has made women to be the polar opposite of this. When you take a moment to think about this, it does make sense.

So please work to make the gender gap larger. The gender gap should be at its maximum at all times. Work on this by becoming more of the gender that you are yourself. It is needed for sexual polarity which is the basis of all sexual interaction. Without sexual polarity, there is no true love and no true passion.

This is also why we think that a sexual relationship of "equals" is the best form of such a sexual relationship. It is not. Drama and discussions are normal, aren't they? No. The male part is dominant and proactive. He is the leader of the relationship. The female part is submissive and passive. She can leave if she wants. She can make suggestions but she doesn't get to decide. This is the meaning of love and of being true to yourself and your gender.

"The essence of femininity is hero worship - the desire to look up to man" - Ayn Rand

I have posted something similar in a thread titled "Tell me about Sex".

Your dearest sexist, Korittke.

Your point is well put out.

I do not want to mislead you; I do not think things should change. I was just stating how things could be changed if we wanted them to. I certainly do not advocate it. In part to the reasons you gave.

Mostly due to because I think a chaotic system is necessary. An imperfect system is, in fact, a perfect system.
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You should also add that men get shit done where as women cant make up their mind.

Originally Posted by Korittke

She can make suggestions but she doesn't get to decide.

I think that's getting a little far from the evolutionary differences between men and women. A healthy relationship is composed of two mental equals (and by equal, I don't mean 'the same in every way', I mean 'complimentary and balanced').

I don't know about you, but I would hate to be in a relationship with someone who never made their own decisions and idolized me. That's a pet, not a partner.

Originally Posted by thegnome54

I think that's getting a little far from the evolutionary differences between men and women. A healthy relationship is composed of two mental equals (and by equal, I don't mean 'the same in every way', I mean 'complimentary and balanced').

I don't know about you, but I would hate to be in a relationship with someone who never made their own decisions and idolized me. That's a pet, not a partner.

I agree.

I was just exaggerating to push my point. A tendency that I should probably look into at some point.

Originally Posted by Korittke

I agree.

I was just exaggerating to push my point. A tendency that I should probably look into at some point.

Ah, I do that all of the time

In that case, I agree with you. There is definitely a line between 'equal' and 'identical' which should not be crossed - be it gender, race, social status, whatever. Differences need to be acknowledged and embraced, not squashed.

I thread that took a genration to find.
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...olution+change

#20 inparticular
I still have doubts!

Men have a higher fear/pain tolerance?? That is completely opposite of what I've been hearing all my life.

O'nus, what are your sources?

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Men have a higher fear/pain tolerance?? That is completely opposite of what I've been hearing all my life.

O'nus, what are your sources?

I mis-represented that. They are essentially the same.

The point is really that genders are actually more identical than anything. These differences are marginal at best.

My sources come from a plethora of books such as Shaffer, Wood, Pierce J. Howard, Jean-Pierre Changeux, etc.

I am not really arguing anything (unless someone fervently believes that one gender is significantly better at one thing than the other gender). Both sexes are more identical than they are different.
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What is "social violence"?

Originally Posted by Mark75

What is "social violence"?

Good question.

This is just a synonym for covert aggression. For example: "Did you hear that she got a boob-job?! Ew, what a slut!" "I heard she slept with five guys at once! Skank!" "My friend Sarah said that he has a small dick and is impotent, don't date 'em girl!"

Does that help...?
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It does. It's like punching someone in the feelings.

Originally Posted by Mark75

It does. It's like punching someone in the feelings.

"Owww... my happy hurts..."
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Your information, leaving for the moment it's accuracy. It should be noted your conclusions are not explained. They are just statements. Some of you tend to forgot that information is more than merely using google and getting statements. It involves eloborate experience and sourcing of data to get the appropriate result. It involves a series or process of proper scientific analysis. A series of conclusions means nothing without the other aspects of the this process. Some of us are educated enough not to take all statements in like a sponge without doing this process.

In a way your post is enlightening as it tells us how not to present information. That aside. One is still able to use their internal intelligence to depict the nature of your random facts and their relevance as well as how accurate one is.

Male and female do not verse each other. They are a team.

Originally Posted by Mystic7

information is more than merely using google YouTube and getting statements.

Mystic, your conclusions are not explained.

Originally Posted by Howie

I thread that took a genration to find.
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...olution+change

#20 inparticular
I still have doubts!

'cough'

Originally Posted by Mystic7

Your information, leaving for the moment it's accuracy. It should be noted your conclusions are not explained. They are just statements. Some of you tend to forgot that information is more than merely using google and getting statements. It involves eloborate experience and sourcing of data to get the appropriate result. It involves a series or process of proper scientific analysis. A series of conclusions means nothing without the other aspects of the this process. Some of us are educated enough not to take all statements in like a sponge without doing this process.

In a way your post is enlightening as it tells us how not to present information. That aside. One is still able to use their internal intelligence to depict the nature of your random facts and their relevance as well as how accurate one is.

Male and female do not verse each other. They are a team.

If you were competent enough to read the rest of the thread, you will notice that I show my references.

My point was not to argue or purport anything. These are simply the marginal differences that I have noticed from my references. The important thing to note is that males and females are more identical than different.

Perhaps you are too used to arguing.

Considering you are too foolish to obviously to read the thread, I will repeat my references which are not from the internet but book sources; contrary to your facetious comment:
- Shaffer, Wood, Pierce J. Howard, Jean-Pierre Changeux, etc.
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Originally Posted by O'nus

skills in:

- Emotional expression

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It is no skill.

It is a sign of weakness..

Originally Posted by O'nus

Shaffer, Wood, Pierce J. Howard, Jean-Pierre Changeux, etc.

Names are not backing up your conclusions. You call them references but that is not to do with what I was refering towards. You may as well give us book titles instead. Too much emphasising on your conclusions. Not enough thinking for yourself. No need to get defensive. This is not an argument. Just my comment.

Emotional expression is a skill. Not a weakness. Art is one of many examples. Carôusoul is merely confusing ability to utilize existing energy with the degree of control. In other words Carousoul may as well be telling you fuel for your car is weakness because you will crash. Yet we all know it has nothing to do with fuel. It is the driver that counts.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

Men have a higher fear/pain tolerance?? That is completely opposite of what I've been hearing all my life.

From what I heard, men can deal better with external physical injuries (cuts, broken bones, bullet wounds, etc) while women can cope better with visceral pains (giving birth, cramps, massive internal bleeding, etc).

As for fear, it's hard to contest that men are generally more fearless/stupid than women...

Originally Posted by Mystic7

Names are not backing up your conclusions. You call them references but that is not to do with what I was refering towards. You may as well give us book titles instead. Too much emphasising on your conclusions. Not enough thinking for yourself. No need to get defensive. This is not an argument. Just my comment.

Emotional expression is a skill. Not a weakness. Art is one of many examples. Carôusoul is merely confusing ability to utilize existing energy with the degree of control. In other words Carousoul may as well be telling you fuel for your car is weakness because you will crash. Yet we all know it has nothing to do with fuel. It is the driver that counts.

I see what you are saying now, sorry for the instinctual lash.

You are right; they are simply statements in that I was curious what the response would be, honestly. Your assertment that they are a team is exactly what I hold and was curious to see if others agree with.

As for the fear/pain tolerance thing; it is so convoluted that I almost don't even want to bother recollecting it, lol. Go watch a childrens sports game and compare differences between how they respond to pain and perhaps that will give a good example.
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I certainly don't have Fear/Pain Tolerance! But you're right about women being socially agressive. When boys fall out they make up within like 5 minutes but girls remain arch rivals for years. It's funny .