December 21st, 2012 Museum of Art/Information

**Jeff777** · 12-17-2007 07:32 AM

This thread is filled with awareness raising images/information that you might consider having a look at.

COMPLIMENTARY_NOTE: Allow this to play in the background as you scroll through the museum of 2012

Please stand by...for a rude awakening.

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Eye of Horus, the Egyptian Sun God

...don't recognize the eye? I'll give you a hint, You can spot it's symbol smacked on an egyptian pyramid right behind the head of America's first President. That symbol also happens to be woven into a tapestry hung in the vatican. Truth is stranger than fiction.

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" Dec. 21, 2006: Evidence is mounting: the next solar cycle is going to be a big one. Solar cycle 24, due to peak in 2010 or 2011 "looks like its going to be one of the most intense cycles since record-keeping began almost 400 years ago," says solar physicist David Hathaway" -NASA

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(The image below was taken Aug. 11, 1999 in England at exactly 11:11 a.m. GMT, showing the Sun in full corona.)

"The Mayans prophesied that from 1999 we have 13 years to realize the changes in our conscious attitude, to stray from the path of self-destruction and instead move onto a path that opens our consciousness to integrate us with all that exists.......The Mayans say that seven years after the start of Kat..n, so 1999, we would enter a time of darkness which would force us to confront our own conduct. The say that this is the time when mankind will enter 'The Sacred Hall of Mirrors', where we will look at ourselves and analyze our behaviors with ourselves, with others, with nature and with the planet in which we live. This will be a time in which all of humanity, by individual conscious decisions, decides to change and eliminate fear and lack of respect from all of our relationships. The Mayans prophesied that the start of this period would be marked by a solar eclipse on August 11, 1999, known to them as 13 Ahau, 8 Cauac. This also would coincide with an unprecedented planetary alignment, the 'Grand Cross' alignment. This would be the beginning of the last 13 years of the Kat..n period, the last opportunity for our civilization to realize the changes that are coming at the moment of our spiritual regeneration."

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Countdown to
December 21 2012, 11:11 A.M. GMT

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(Mayan Cropcircle)

Could this be you on 2012?

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(The photos below were taken by a man named Masaru Emoto, they exhibit before and after high def shots of water molecules, not snowflakes, jewelry or glass carvings...frozen water molecules The captions below the pictures show what thoughts/feelings Emoto was projecting before he froze the water molecules.)

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This exaggerated picture...might not be too far from the truth. Question is...will you stand up for what you know is right? Or continue to allow your rights to be stripped from you and allow a possible chip to be sown into your arm? Btw...the saying "It's for your own protection" doesn't hold much weight anymore.

Think it won't/can't happen to you? Click here.

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Excerpts from
Steep Uphill Climb to 2012:
Messages from the Mayan Milieu
© Copyright 2002 by Steven McFadden:

"Carlos Barrios was born into a Spanish family on El Altiplano, the highlands of Guatemala. His home was in Huehuetenango, also the dwelling place of the Maya Mam tribe. With other Maya and other indigenous tradition keepers, the Mam carry part of the old ways on Turtle Island (North America). They are keepers of time, authorities on remarkable calendars that are ancient, elegant and relevant. Mr. Barrios is a historian, an anthropologist and investigator. After studying with traditional elders for 25 years since the age of 19, he has also become a Mayan Ajq'ij, a ceremonial priest and spiritual guide, Eagle Clan. Years ago, along with his brother, Gerardo, Carlos initiated an investigation into the different Mayan calendars. He studied with many teachers. He says his brother Gerardo interviewed nearly 600 traditional Mayan elders to widen their scope of knowledge. Carlos Barrios shares:

"The world will not end. It will be transformed... Everything will change...Change is accelerating now, and it will continue to accelerate...If the people of the earth can get to this 2012 date in good shape, without having destroyed too much of the Earth, we will rise to a new, higher level. But to get there we must transform enormously powerful forces that seek to block the way...Humanity will continue, but in a different way. Material structures will change. From this we will have the opportunity to be more human...

"Our planet can be renewed or ravaged. Now is the time to awaken and take action...The prophesized changes are going to happen, but our attitude and actions determine how harsh or mild they are. This is a crucially important moment for humanity and for earth. Each person is important. If you have incarnated into this era, you have spiritual work to do balancing the planet...The greatest wisdom is in simplicity. Love, respect, tolerance, sharing, gratitude, forgiveness. It's not complex or elaborate. The real knowledge is free. It's encoded in your DNA. All you need is within you. Great teachers have said that from the beginning. Find you heart, and you will find your way.

"The Mayan elder (Mam) who lives all year in a solitary mountain cave, journeyed to speak at the most recent Mayan New Year ceremony in Guatemala. He delivered a simple, direct message calling for human beings to come together in support of life and light. The elder said there is hope if the people of the light can come together and unite in some way...We need to put our entire mind and heart into pursuing unity and fusion now..."

For more theories, click here.

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Ascension...

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THE HOW AND WHY OF THE MAYAN END DATE IN 2012 A.D.

by John Major Jenkins
(John Major Jenkins has done work for the Discovery Channel, and History Channel, to name a few)

¾ May 23rd, 1994

Originally published in the Dec-Jan '95 issue of Mountain Astrologer.

Why did the ancient Mayan or pre-Maya choose December 21st, 2012 A.D., as the end of their Long Count calendar? This article will cover some recent research. Scholars have known for decades that the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan "Long Count" system of timekeeping was set to end precisely on a winter solstice, and that this system was put in place some 2300 years ago. This amazing fact - that ancient Mesoameri- can skywatchers were able to pinpoint a winter solstice far off into the future - has not been dealt with by Mayanists. And why did they choose the year 2012? One immediately gets the impression that there is a very strange mystery to be confronted here. I will be building upon a clue to this mystery reported by epigrapher Linda Schele in Maya Cosmos (1994). This article is the natural culmination of the research relating to the Mayan Long Count and the precession of the equinoxes that I explored in my recent book Tzolkin: Visionary Perspectives and Calendar Studies (Borderlands Science and Research Foundation, 1994).

How: Long Count and Seasonal Quarters

Long Count katun beginnings will conjunct sequential seasonal quarters every 1.7.0.0.0 days (194400 days). This is an easily tracked Long Count interval. Starting with the katun beginning of 650 B.C.:

Long Count Which Quarter? Year

6.5.0.0.0 Fall 650 B.C.

7.12.0.0.0 Winter 118 B.C.

8.19.0.0.0 Spring 416 A.D.

10.6.0.0.0 Summer 948 A.D.

11.13.0.0.0 Fall 1480 A.D.

13.0.0.0.0 Winter 2012 A.D.

Note that the last date is not only a katun beginning, but a baktun beginning as well. It is, indeed, the end date of 2012.6

The Long Count may have been officially inaugurated on a specific date in 355 B.C., as Edmonson suggests, but it must have been formulated, tried, tested, and proven before this date. This may well have taken centuries, and the process no doubt paralleled (and was perhaps instigated by) the discovery of precession. The Long Count system automatically accounts for precession in its ability to calculate future seasonal quarters - a property which shouldn't be underestimated.

Summary

This has been my attempt to fill a vacuum in Mayan Studies, an answer to the why and how of the end date of the 13-baktun cycle of the Mayan Long Count. The solution requires a shift in how we think about the astronomy of the Long Count end date. The strange fact that it occurs on a winter solstice immediately points us to possible astronomical reasons, but they are not obvious. We also shouldn't forget the often mentioned fact that the 13-baktun cycle of some 5125 years is roughly 1/5th of a precessional cycle. This in itself should have been suggestive of a deeper mystery very early on. Only with the recent identification of the astronomical nature of the Sacred Tree has the puzzle revealed its fullness. And once again we are amazed at the sophistication and vision of the ancient New World astronomers, the decendants of whom still count the days and watch the skies in the remote outbacks of Guatemala.

For the entire article, click here.

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(This may happen in 2012 too – picture source: www.occultopedia.com)

If you are a Hindu or a Mayan, this should be good news…

According to an article by David Hedges titled “Golden Age in 2012”, the golden age is expected to start on 22nd December 2012. He said in his article:-

In the Brahma-Vaivarta Purana, Lord Krishna tells Ganga Devi that there will be a Golden Age within the Kali-yuga that will start 5,000 years after the beginning of the Kali Yuga. The Golden Age will last for 10,000 years according to Lord Krishna. The Kali Yuga calendar began at midnight on 18 February 3102 B.C. according to many sources.

The ancient Hindu’s mainly used lunar calendars but also used solar calendars. If an average lunar year equals 354.36 days, then this would be about 5270 lunar years from the time when the Kali Yuga started until 21 Dec 2012, the year that the Mayans predict rebirth of our planet; and it is also about 5113 solar years of 365.24 days per year.

David Hedges ended his post with the following statement:-

Now we have another ancient source, Hindu Scripture’s called the Brahma-Vaivarta Purana, predicting a new world about the same time that the Mayans predicted it to come! Historically, this is an amazing fact since these two ancient cultures didn’t have any contact.

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In an entry at Wikipedia on the year 2012, it was stated that in a book titled “The Bible Code”, a meteor, asteroid or comet will collide with the Earth and again in another book titled “The Nostradamus Code” where there will be a series of natural disasters caused by a comet. In another book titled “The Orion Prophecy” it was claimed that the Earth’s magnetic field will reverse. Plenty of natural disasters may cause the death of many people and towns causing humans to rebuild their lives again? Yes, it is possible.

12/17/07 - End of Volume 1.

**iLight** · 12-17-2007 07:44 AM

**Scatterbrain** · 12-18-2007 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff777

(The photos below were taken by a man named Masaru Emoto, they exhibit before and after high def shots of water molecules, not snowflakes, jewelry or glass carvings...frozen water molecules The captions below the pictures show what thoughts/feelings Emoto was projecting before he froze the water molecules.)

Those definitely aren't photos of water molecules.

**Jeff777** · 12-18-2007 03:13 AM

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Those definitely aren't photos of water molecules.

Plausible. But I suggest you weigh both sides of the scale. Emoto Btw, thanks for stopping by

**Mystic7** · 12-18-2007 04:26 AM

no, water does do that when you think about it. Scatterbrain.

**wasup** · 12-18-2007 05:13 AM

The whole water thing is a joke... right?

**Chasing Quètzalcoatl** · 12-18-2007 09:34 PM

what do water molecules have to do w/2012???

**LucidFlanders** · 12-18-2007 10:02 PM

Has the mayans ever been wrong with their consciousness thing?

**Jeff777** · 12-18-2007 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Has the mayans ever been wrong with their consciousness thing?

Their sophisticated calendar has never erred, if that's what your asking.

**italianmonkey** · 12-18-2007 11:34 PM

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Those definitely aren't photos of water molecules.

what scatter means is that those are water crystals, not molecules
like, snowflakes....

was it that?

**Mystic7** · 12-19-2007 04:34 AM

The water experiment is proven. So no point laughing the joke is that people don't already understand proper science.

**wasup** · 12-19-2007 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by Mystic7

The water experiment is proven. So no point laughing the joke is that people don't already understand proper science.

Err, no it wasn't. Experiments are replicable, that is the whole point of them. As this one is not.

**Cyclic13** · 12-19-2007 04:34 PM

All in all nice presentation Jeff... nice to see you finally followed my advice about posting it in here. I would hardly call it senseless banter

Not to be a bubble burster but I looked into that water crystal experiment a long time ago and found it wasn't done under scientific conditions. The person conducting it, Masaru Emoto, only took the pictures of the ones that fit his hypothesis and threw out the other ones. So even sympathetic commentators have criticized Emoto for insufficient experimental controls, and for not sharing enough details of his approach with the scientific community. In addition, Emoto has been criticized for designing his experiments in ways that leave them open to human error influencing his findings. James Randi, founder of the James Randi Educational Foundation, has publicly offered Emoto one million dollars if his results can be reproduced in a double-blind study. Randi has also stated that he does not expect to ever have to pay the million dollars.

Sure, while it's a seemingly attractive idea, just taking a minute to think about how a water crystal could possibly understand the difference between 'arigatou' or 'baka', and 'thank you' or 'stupid' will leave you scratching your head. If some highly capable sentient beings can't understand or differentiate between languages I highly doubt a water crystal holds a higher sense of being able to pick up on the intentions of words. If it really were only about the intention going into the writing, you could technically write gibberish on a piece of paper with hatred or love in your heart and it would have the same affect as the words themselves. I honestly went in half believing it, but was unfortunately let down by the lack of integrity of the guy conducting it. No offense to those hopeful folks.

Back on topic, check these out if you have the time...
Adrian Gilbert on Coast to Coast about 2012 Pt.1; Pt. 2; Pt. 3; Pt. 4; Pt. 5; Pt. 6; Pt. 7; Pt. 8; Pt. 9; Pt. 10

**wendylove** · 12-19-2007 06:48 PM

conspiracy theories are funny, the world is going to end in 2000. I think it is 7 years too late. And now we have 2012.

Soon we will have 2020. Sorry the world is not going to end. Also, the illuminati was destroyed ages ago, it only because of a fictional book that the conspricy became popular again. I guess if your paranoid then you have a new hobby, exposing the illuminati.

**Grod** · 12-19-2007 06:52 PM

This is great reading through....

Thanks Jeff.

**Jeff777** · 12-19-2007 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by wendylove

conspiracy theories are funny, the world is going to end in 2000. I think it is 7 years too late. And now we have 2012.

Soon we will have 2020. Sorry the world is not going to end. Also, the illuminati was destroyed ages ago, it only because of a fictional book that the conspricy became popular again. I guess if your paranoid then you have a new hobby, exposing the illuminati.

I appreciate you stopping by wendylove, but your ignorance regarding 2012 is dumbfounding. It clearly shows you've read nothing of substantial value to know what the subject topic is about; this is evident in your comparison to 2000 and 2012, your claims about the destruction of the illuminati, and your claiming I implied the world would end. 2000 was about a man-made Y2K bug, I don't recall anyone saying the world would end that year (at least noone sober). Read a few of the materials I posted in the links above or do some research on the net for yourself, then you're opinions would be a bit more well received.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

All in all nice presentation Jeff... nice to see you finally followed my advice about posting it in here. I would hardly call it senseless banter

Not to be a bubble burster but I looked into that water crystal experiment a long time ago and found it wasn't done under scientific conditions. The person conducting it, Masaru Emoto, only took the pictures of the ones that fit his hypothesis and threw out the other ones. So even sympathetic commentators have criticized Emoto for insufficient experimental controls, and for not sharing enough details of his approach with the scientific community. In addition, Emoto has been criticized for designing his experiments in ways that leave them open to human error influencing his findings. James Randi, founder of the James Randi Educational Foundation, has publicly offered Emoto one million dollars if his results can be reproduced in a double-blind study. Randi has also stated that he does not expect to ever have to pay the million dollars.

Sure, while it's a seemingly attractive idea, just taking a minute to think about how a water crystal could possibly understand the difference between 'arigatou' or 'baka', and 'thank you' or 'stupid' will leave you scratching your head. If some highly capable sentient beings can't understand or differentiate between languages I highly doubt a water crystal holds a higher sense of being able to pick up on the intentions of words. If it really were only about the intention going into the writing, you could technically write gibberish on a piece of paper with hatred or love in your heart and it would have the same affect as the words themselves. I honestly went in half believing it, but was unfortunately let down by the lack of integrity of the guy conducting it. No offense to those hopeful folks.

Back on topic, check these out if you have the time...
Adrian Gilbert on Coast to Coast about 2012 Pt.1; Pt. 2; Pt. 3; Pt. 4; Pt. 5; Pt. 6; Pt. 7; Pt. 8; Pt. 9; Pt. 10

Thanks for the input Solskye

, Nice linkage

, I'll check that out asap.

And for those who are asking about the water experiment and Emoto...to my knowledge, the experiment has not been successfully replicated.

**LucidFlanders** · 12-20-2007 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff777

I appreciate you stopping by wendylove, but your ignorance regarding 2012 is dumbfounding. It clearly shows you've read nothing of substantial value to know what the subject topic is about; this is evident in your comparison to 2000 and 2012, your claims about the destruction of the illuminati, and your claiming I implied the world would end. 2000 was about a man-made Y2K bug, I don't recall anyone saying the world would end that year (at least noone sober). Read a few of the materials I posted in the links above or do some research on the net for yourself, then you're opinions would be a bit more well received.

Just ignore her like i have, she's a classic case of a homer. Only her beliefs matter, everyone elses she laughs at and bashes them. Not worth responding to.

**Scatterbrain** · 12-20-2007 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by italianmonkey

what scatter means is that those are water crystals, not molecules
like, snowflakes....

was it that?

Exactly, if it was a molecule we would see the electron cloud and the atoms.

OMG I just noticed, in less than 12 days our calendar will end too! Some big changes must be coming right?

**Jeff777** · 12-20-2007 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by LucidFlanders

Just ignore her like i have, she's a classic case of a homer. Only her beliefs matter, everyone elses she laughs at and bashes them. Not worth responding to.

People like that are very...interesting, to say the least. It took me a while but I've grown to find different religions/cultures fascinating and worth exploring and learning more about.

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

Exactly, if it was a molecule we would see the electron cloud and the atoms.

OMG I just noticed, in less than 12 days our calendar will end too! Some big changes must be coming right?

I'm afraid I can't tell if you're being facetious or not, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you aren't being facetious and you really are curious about the end of 2007. Some "big changes" You would probably expect would be the start of a new year, I find that big.

**Scatterbrain** · 12-20-2007 05:29 AM

Originally Posted by Jeff777

People like that are very...interesting, to say the least. It took me a while but I've grown to find different religions/cultures fascinating and worth exploring and learning more about.

I'm afraid I can't tell if you're being facetious or not, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you aren't being facetious and you really are curious about the end of 2007. Some "big changes" You would probably expect would be the start of a new year, I find that big.

2012 is no different, it's just the end of the calendar.

**Cyclic13** · 12-20-2007 05:34 AM

What makes you so sure you're right? Fervent belief one way or the other is retarded...

The least you can do is err on the side of caution, and open yourself up to the different possibilities out there... The sun rising tomorrow isn't guaranteed or written in stone. The mayans believed our idea of time to be circular, and we have repeated the same process countless times. They thought by predicting the stars positions and seeing where things will be you could essentially see where you will be. Their pinpoint accuracy with the limited technology for their time is still astonishing to people. Where does your seemingly vast understanding of their culture (surely enough to draw those conclusions) come from?

**Jeff777** · 12-20-2007 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

2012 is no different, it's just the end of the calendar.

You could very well be right Scatterbrain, and that is a possibility. I would suggest doing some research on the mayan long count calendar and what the mayans had to say about it for yourself. You will find through your research that they didn't just write it off as "the end of their calendar". It has a greater level of depth/meaning than that. However, you are entitled to your beliefs/opinions regarding 2012, but I beckon you to perish your ignorance with knowledge.

p.s. Great program SolSkye, Adrian had very valuable information, thank you for the posting.

**Scatterbrain** · 12-20-2007 05:55 PM

The Mayans prophesied that blablabla... there's a bunch of religions and prophecies all around the world too and yet I don't see you following all of them.
The spaghetti monster could be planning an appearance for 2012, but as far as we know, it's just the end of a calendar.

About the sun, it's funny how you use the pictures out of context. The 1999 photo preceded the 2001 solar maximum, now we are at a minimum. Although the next max will be very big, it still won't be as big as the one from 1958.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast15feb_1.htm

I took a quick a look at two of the articles linked in the first post, in one of them as usual a galactic alignment was referred. Would somebody care to explain exactly how such an alignment would affect us?

**Jeff777** · 12-20-2007 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by Scatterbrain

The Mayans prophesied that blablabla... there's a bunch of religions and prophecies all around the world too and yet I don't see you following all of them.

The mayans were not the only ones, Scatterbrain, the Hopi, I-Ching, the Hindu, (though I'm not a fan) Nostradamus, and many others as well. Should you wish to acquire more information, do the research yourself. But then again, why research when you've got it all figured out?

About the sun, it's funny how you use the pictures out of context. The 1999 photo preceded the 2001 solar maximum, now we are at a minimum. Although the next max will be very big, it still won't be as big as the one from 1958.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast15feb_1.htm

Yes, a solar maximum did hit in 1958, but I fail to see information on your webpage that suggest it was bigger than the one due to peak around 2010, 2011. I find you saying this very odd because Nasa already stated that the one due to peak around the 2010-2011 time frame is likely to be the biggest one since record keeping time in 400 years. Show me your sources.