To all those people who think we are insane.

I'm sorry but I have a confusion of area for this topic. This seems most logical to me.

Yesterday I was woke up by a constantly honking car horn. I thought it was my dad and I went to the door. It was a red suv with the sign "Urban Carrier" on it. No not my dad. I swear i saw 4 people with books. i thought it was rude jehovah witnesses and went to bed. I heard the cellar door open and went to sleep. I told my brother about it and he thought it was crazy and I found out that it was the postman delivering a package. I thought that made sense. Later, my brother was absurdly drunk and came over to the computer when I was e-mailing a site about an odd creature I saw once. He made smart remarks and told me to hurry up. He wanted me to finish his beer off. Anyway he got me drunk and everything I talked about before I tried to heavily defend. Because I was drunk.
I recently started posting more than usual on here and my mother and bro watched me. Creepy. Today they acted like they were giving me an intervention.
She came up and took into the kitchen and told me she wanted to talk.
Well turns out she thought I was insane. She commented on what I saw the day before. I tried to tell her I was half-asleep and really couldn't tell what I was seeing. She wouldn't believe me. Then she commented on what I was e-mailing that side. I tried to tell her I'm not even sure if that's what I saw. She was fickle. She went through everything I'm interested in reading about. I told her that i don't do magic, or curses or summoning the devil. She wouldn't believe me. She then blamed this site for what I see and believe and said I was going to be like that Illinois shooter. Then I asked what she thinks this site was about. She said "Awakening Dreams". Which made no sense. Thinking there was no way to reason with her pompous idiot views on what I interest, I questioned her on her constant christian reading affecting her mental thoughts on what she thought was going on in the world and then I told her what she thought bros drinking. Then I defended him. She stuttered on the christian one and was more than pleased to talk about my bro. It ended there, except I was furious afterwards. That ended easily when I tore up the punching bag and played a violent videogame though.
Through the whole thing, my brother commented like an ass. My mom was saying I need mental help in between those things I posted. Even medication. They both apologized to me 3 hours later and don't know why. I do, they are beepin-crazy.

Basically we are not crazy because of the things we read in the occult or talk about dreams. Even what we think we see and misinterpret. It's the people with the one-way minds that are.

Well, narrow-minded people need to be treated strictly. Otherwise you're opening yourself up for their hasty deductions and whatnot. Not with hostility, just strictly.

You're saying your relatives wouldn't "believe" you? Well, why did you leave room for belief? In a situation with those that deny lucid dreaming and whatnot, it's best to show that you know, that you have knowledge on the subject at hand...more than them, and are thus speaking from a knowledgable point of view. But that does not mean explaining the concept straight out. That comes across as desparate.

If someone were to seriously argue with you that the world is flat, you wouldn't start explaining anything to them, would you? No, you'd cast their arguments aside with a laugh and go on your usual business amongst the globe that is our planet. Same for lucid dreaming and those not open-minded enough to trust your knowledge...don't let it get to you and don't make yourself look like you're trying to prove something.

Seriously its a no go when your mother is trying to put you in a mental institute for reasons beyond logical.

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You're saying your relatives wouldn't "believe" you? Well, why did you leave room for belief? In a situation with those that deny lucid dreaming and whatnot, it's best to show that you know, that you have knowledge on the subject at hand...more than them, and are thus speaking from a knowledgable point of view. But that does not mean explaining the concept straight out. That comes across as desparate.

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In my house whenever someone does what you said, it is considered being a jerk and hatred fumes. I'm not really affected when someone does it to me though. I usually agree and then contribute to what they say; if they are correct that is. But living in my house is like living with a bunch of children with jobs. Although I agree with you, some people don't listen.


Oh and yes I apologize for saying one-way minded people are crazy. What I should of said the conflict of beliefs can cause major problems in this world.

Well, in essence, it goes into not caring what others think of you.

If you know you're right, it doesn't matter if others think of you as a jerk or some such. They'll come to realise their error eventually, especially if it's someone close. So patience is important.

Oh, be we are crazy. Well, I am, least. Sanity is a relative term.

Sane? You think you are sane? Heh, sorry, but as soon as you start doing things such as paying attention to your dreams and undertaking lucid dream, most of the world will see you as insane... so you might as well learn to enjoy it! :P

[/joke] Some people will never really understand these things and will often resort to holding on to whatever they do understand. In these circumstances, you just have to be more stubborn than them, whilst trying to explain things in terms they can understand (if that is possible). Just don't try to seem like you are trying to preach to them, and if they still won't understand... well, shrug it off and move on really... in these situations, you might as well just get used to them ;)

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Originally Posted by bluefinger

Sane? You think you are sane? Heh, sorry, but as soon as you start doing things such as paying attention to your dreams and undertaking lucid dream, most of the world will see you as insane... so you might as well learn to enjoy it! :P

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No, I kind of agree with you there. I mean, what is 'sanity'?

I think it is a label that exists globally. If you don't know your name and you can hear voices in your head then you are 'insane'. But what if back before 'insanity' was a considered state of mind, everybody heard voices and could see chickens dancing on the ends of their boots? Then a 'sane' person from our world would be considered 'insane' to their world.

So, I say 'insanity' doesn't exist. Or if it does, it is a stupid idea. Nobody can say what is 'sane' or not. What they can say is that somebody has a different perception or frame of mind than the norm or they have a short temper.

And besides all that, LDing is not 'insane' nor Satanic. It has been scientifically proven by Mr LaBerge and there are no known side effects or dangers. There ain't nothing wrong with it. Perhaps you could point your family in the direction of the Wikipedia article on it. Otherwise, you may be better off pretending your whole episode never happened with you and your mother. If you let it be then she might just let you get on with what you want to do. I can't say for sure though; you know her best.

Good luck.

Sanity refers to what one is collectively comfortable with.

We accept the world is round without question.

We accept the laws that seem to govern our round rock circling a glowing circle which is circling with trillions of other glowing circles in a system of trillions of other systems each with trillions of glowing circles without question.

We accept the existence of other possible dimensions simultaneously overlapping ours without question.

We collectively consume beyond our self-sustaining capabilities and race at an extremely fast pace to and from work in order to obtain credits to "buy" something with pieces of paper or digital clicks of a mouse or swipes of a card without question.

We collectively are in free fall but think we are flying because the ground seems so far away.

In the end, people will perceive or see what they want to see and ignore the things that make them feel uncomfortable revealing their complete and utter insanity...

Considering the basic things we've collectively come to accept as a society are so far from sane it's laughable. I would deem us all beyond clinically insane from the very beginning.

Remember: Your up is my down, his left is her right, our good is their bad, and around and around we go.

Like the rest of the people said, I don't think your insane, if my mom were to come talk to me like that I'd probably laugh, not to offend her though, well slightly maybe because it would offend me if I had such close minded parents. Your mom should have at least taken the time to look the site over, or go in the behind dreaming and spirituality forum to see how many of us are skeptics, reather then beleivers.

I'm 75% positive that there are more skeptics here then compared to the general public.

The only time people should get mental help is if their disabled mentaly or hurt other people.

And yes start simple if your giving an explination to things like this, that goes for all people really, don't begin telling them about the fun of it, or all the "magical powers" you have in it, begin by telling them you dream every night and there is nothing paranormal about it, then go on to tell them what if you could become aware of the dream well you where in it, wouldn't that be interesting, I've actually done it, and it's quite a strange experience, or something like that.

Keep in mind back in the age of cro magnons (cavemen) if they were to see a person on horse back, they would run away or attack thinking of it as a spirit (they didn't know that animals could ever be tamed). some people react that way to new stuff, incase of today they just reject it as something of spirits like the above example. (they didn't know dreams can be tamed)

Its very similer to the god of the gaps, people filling in anything they don't know, or isn't common in society yet, that it is of paranormal nature.

We are like the people who ride on horses well the rest of society doesn't understand it fully. Some avoid it, some critizise it, others join in.

You guys all just lost the game.

And by you, you mean me... which is to say who again?

I... and by I, I mean you too... are the narcissistic universe who is full of itself... ;)

I personally think you need to argue with your family more. Its healthy.

I argue with everyone all the time, and there is nothing wrong with that. It is good to change people's opinions. If I disagree with someone I let them know why. They deserve to know, and I deserve to have the right to tell them so.