Thread: The irrationality of Palestinian suicide bombings

I know the question was not directed at me personally. I know that most all of us have had to have questioned the rational of the suicide bomber's methods.
As hard as it is for us to understand much less comprehend their motive is, in their head, logical. If from birth or young age, or just susceptible you can see how this branch of terrorism could get embraced.
If you have been taught to believe the western civilization is the real root cause of evil and you, by acting out a bombing attack in turn get rewarded.... well then it seems about the hardest form of brainwashing that can exist.
So for Dragon Overlord to feel it "evens out the score" then it would seem he too feels that the West, it's ideals and culture are the root of the evil and is winning. It will be interesting to here his view.
If that is how you keep score?

Do the Islamofascist make a notch in their bed posts
us ////
The West //// //

What about all the innocent Palestinians that are being slaughtered? We never hear about them, do we? Well, only if you are intelligent enough to realize that our media is full of BS and seek outside sources that aren't so biased.

What about the Palestinian women and children that are gunned down at checkpoints, sick and dying, trying to get to hospitals, schools. Do you have any idea how many women die giving birth at checkpoints because some effing teenager Israeli soldiers just don't give a shit and are on power trips.

And last I checked, suicide bombings don't target innocent women and children. If innocent people get killed in the process...well tell that to the Israelis who "accidentally" drop bombs on civilian houses, schools, hospitals, etc. Yeah I'm sure with all their technology they "accidentally" bombed a hundred Palestinians on a beach. Bull shit.

I mean, what the hell are the Palestinians supposed to do? That's their only weapon, suicide bombings. They don't have the UNITED STATES giving them billions of dollars for weapons. They fight bullets with stones for chrissake.

I have no sympathy for the Israelis at all. Call me a terrorist if you want, I don't care. But do me a favor and don't post ignorant shit when you have no clue what you're talking about. (not directed at UM)

Well that's what terrorism is, to inflict terror. It's not the military they're trying to terrorize, it's the general populace. Now every Israeli fears getting blown up every time they go to the market, mission accomplished.

Originally Posted by Howie

I know the question was not directed at me personally. I know that most all of us have had to have questioned the rational of the suicide bomber's methods.
As hard as it is for us to understand much less comprehend their motive is, in their head, logical. If from birth or young age, or just susceptible you can see how this branch of terrorism could get embraced.
If you have been taught to believe the western civilization is the real root cause of evil and you, by acting out a bombing attack in turn get rewarded.... well then it seems about the hardest form of brainwashing that can exist.
So for Dragon Overlord to feel it "evens out the score" then it would seem he too feels that the West, it's ideals and culture are the root of the evil and is winning. It will be interesting to here his view.
If that is how you keep score?

Do the Islamofascist make a notch in their bed posts
us ////
The West //// //

I think that sums it up. They think even innocent Westerners and Israelis are evil, and they think they will be able to have an orgy with 75 virgin whores. They are brainwashed and crazy. As far as I know, that is the best answer that can be given.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Well that's what terrorism is, to inflict terror. It's not the military they're trying to terrorize, it's the general populace. Now every Israeli fears getting blown up every time they go to the market, mission accomplished.

What does that accomplished mission accomplish? I still don't get it. It just seems like evil for the sake of venting rage by taking it out on innocents. I understand calculated military actions that actually bring about results that are much more beneficial to the world than they are bad to certain factions of the innocent population. Sometimes you have to choose between terrible and superterrible. What I do not understand is this bullshit about, "Me so angry! Me blow up random cafe!" That is just irrational sickness.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

What about all the innocent Palestinians that are being slaughtered? We never hear about them, do we? Well, only if you are intelligent enough to realize that our media is full of BS and seek outside sources that aren't so biased.

What about the Palestinian women and children that are gunned down at checkpoints, sick and dying, trying to get to hospitals, schools. Do you have any idea how many women die giving birth at checkpoints because some effing teenager Israeli soldiers just don't give a shit and are on power trips.

And last I checked, suicide bombings don't target innocent women and children. If innocent people get killed in the process...well tell that to the Israelis who "accidentally" drop bombs on civilian houses, schools, hospitals, etc. Yeah I'm sure with all their technology they "accidentally" bombed a hundred Palestinians on a beach. Bull shit.

I mean, what the hell are the Palestinians supposed to do? That's their only weapon, suicide bombings. They don't have the UNITED STATES giving them billions of dollars for weapons. They fight bullets with stones for chrissake.

I have no sympathy for the Israelis at all. Call me a terrorist if you want, I don't care. But do me a favor and don't post ignorant shit when you have no clue what you're talking about. (not directed at UM)

I am not asking about Israeli counterattacks against government targets that involve civilian deaths in the crossfire. Every time they are out of line, screw them too, but at least calculated strategy is involved, and at least it weakens the government backing of the nut case scum I am talking about. I am asking about the deliberate Palestinian targetting of civilians. And yes, they do target civilians. They blow up buses, restaurants, cafes, and street crowds on purpose. They target people who were born in Israel. They target people whose parents and grandparents were born in Israel. They target children and babies who have no idea what is going on in world politics.

You gave the kind of argument I am talking about. You gave the, "What else are they supposed to do?" response. That does not answer the question. I want to know SPECIFICALLY what is accomplished other than terrible things for innocent people and the venting of rage of evil people, plus the temporary belief of evil people that they are going to Allah's Heaven to screw 75 virgins. Anything else?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What does that accomplished mission accomplish? I still don't get it. It just seems like evil for the sake of venting rage by taking it out on innocents. I understand calculated military actions that actually bring about results that are much more beneficial to the world than they are bad to certain factions of the innocent population. Sometimes you have to choose between terrible and superterrible. What I do not understand is this bullshit about, "Me so angry! Me blow up random cafe!" That is just irrational sickness.

I think you give them too much credit. Suicide bombers are already desperately fanatical and endoctrinated, so logic isn't their strong suit. And maybe you underestimate just how much Palestinians hate Israelis (example), they really have a grudge on the people, not solely its government. So they try to inflict as much damage as they can on the people, without making many distinctions between the military and civilians.

Also, back in the day, terrorism and guerilla warfare was a good way to try and get rid of unwanted arrivals. Attacking the civilian population would cause them to put a lot of pressure on the government, making them seriously consider packing up their bags and finding a safer spot. But now that it's clear that Israel is here to stay, all it does is further militarize the country and escalate the violence, in a sense, entrench the Israelis. Old habbits die hard I guess?

Sucidie bombers actually do accomplish objectives but then again they do have negative effectes.

In israel suicide bombers reduce tourism,reduce immigration rates and have an effect to increase emmigration rates. They also serve to reduce israels overall image makng investement go down.

In Iraq Suicide bombers level the playing field, although in the wrong hands they can be used to hurt civilans which is regretable.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Also, back in the day, terrorism and guerilla warfare was a good way to try and get rid of unwanted arrivals. Attacking the civilian population would cause them to put a lot of pressure on the government, making them seriously consider packing up their bags and finding a safer spot. But now that it's clear that Israel is here to stay, all it does is further militarize the country and escalate the violence, in a sense, entrench the Israelis. Old habbits die hard I guess?

Israel isnt here to say simply put. In the next 20-40 years demographic changes within the israeli arab population coupled with high emmigration rate will make Israel a muslim arab state the way it should be.

THe Palestinian/arab conflict does take its toll on israelies. They have to join up with the IDF at 18 y/o, and deal with the possibility of getting killed like in the Hezbollah/Israel conflict were Israel saw casulaties higher then the casulaties the canadians sustained in afghanistan in over 7 years of being in afghanist. Israel got much higher casulaties then that in a period of only a few weeks.

Israelies get frustrated with that plus they cant go to university and all the things that come with conflict. It all equals up to a high emigration rate and a very low immigration rate to israel.

All the while israel has a steadily growing arab population.

Originally Posted by Taosaur

It succeeded in drawing the world's attention to the desperate situation of Palestinians within Israel's borders, and instilling fear in a vastly superior enemy. Remove the grounds for this behavior--young men who look forward to death because they've lost everything they had to lose--and we might have a chance to stop it.

Disclaimer: killing bad.

That attitude is quite prevalient in occupied palestinians in the West bank. Watch the movie Paradise now and you'll know what im talking about.

Im not sure if you can get it in the usa but you can try ofcourse. Israel tried to stop it from entering the west but they failed. They tried eveyrthing they even played the anti semite card.

Originally Posted by Howie

I know the question was not directed at me personally. I know that most all of us have had to have questioned the rational of the suicide bomber's methods.
As hard as it is for us to understand much less comprehend their motive is, in their head, logical. If from birth or young age, or just susceptible you can see how this branch of terrorism could get embraced.
If you have been taught to believe the western civilization is the real root cause of evil and you, by acting out a bombing attack in turn get rewarded.... well then it seems about the hardest form of brainwashing that can exist.
So for Dragon Overlord to feel it "evens out the score" then it would seem he too feels that the West, it's ideals and culture are the root of the evil and is winning. It will be interesting to here his view.
If that is how you keep score?

Do the Islamofascist make a notch in their bed posts
us ////
The West //// //

Most Suicide Bombers don't feel that way:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080304/...er_transformed

You guys invaded iraq and they dont have the world class military you guys have they need a way to level the playing field! They aren't fighting you cause of your culture they are fighting you cause you invaded their country and you support the parasite of the middle east (israel).

Like i said in my other posts the best way to get into the head of a suicide bomber is watch the movie paradise now.

and how can i hate the west if im a westerner? Your logic eludes me i have nothing against the west or its culture...

nah, those are the only places that need nuking...And anyway you guys need the oil....the last thing u want is radioactive gasoline...

It succeeded in drawing the world's attention to the desperate situation of Palestinians within Israel's borders, and instilling fear in a vastly superior enemy. Remove the grounds for this behavior--young men who look forward to death because they've lost everything they had to lose--and we might have a chance to stop it.

Disclaimer: killing bad.

I was under the impression that all, or at least most, Israeli citizen's were soldiers, either in service or on reserve. I'm not entirely sure how truthful this is, so don't hold me to it, but if it is true doesn't that mean that most of them aren't civilians?

Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed

I was under the impression that all, or at least most, Israeli citizen's were soldiers, either in service or on reserve. I'm not entirely sure how truthful this is, so don't hold me to it, but if it is true doesn't that mean that most of them aren't civilians?

They have to go through a few years of mandatory service. Before and after that, they're civilians.

Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed

I was under the impression that all, or at least most, Israeli citizen's were soldiers, either in service or on reserve. I'm not entirely sure how truthful this is, so don't hold me to it, but if it is true doesn't that mean that most of them aren't civilians?

Israel has mandatory military service at age 18l. 3 years for males and 2 for females.


However the non jewish population of israel is exemplified because of loyalty issues, since many israeli arabs have family in Gaza and the West bank.

Israel has a huge draft dodger population. People make up all kinds of reasons not to go. They make up a mental disease pretend to be gay and you can even tell them yo dont support what the IDF is doing and then poof you dont have to go.

Solution to middle east:

Three Titan-Class 14MT "Clean" Nuclear Devices.

Problem solved.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Solution to middle east:

Three Titan-Class 14MT "Clean" Nuclear Devices.

Problem solved.

Or maybe just on Tel Aviv or baghdads green zone...

Or maybe the whole damn region.

No, we vape the whole region. Problem over. Period.

Then anyone else who wants to fight over anything non-tangible gets rocketed to the moon.

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

Sucidie bombers actually do accomplish objectives but then again they do have negative effectes.

In israel suicide bombers reduce tourism,reduce immigration rates and have an effect to increase emmigration rates. They also serve to reduce israels overall image makng investement go down.

Finally, that qualifies as an answer from you. So the blowing up of masses of innocents hurts Israeli tourism, immigration, and stock. So all this time you have been saying that the mass killing of little kiddies, babies, mommies, and daddies is a good thing because it hurts Israeli immigration and the financial situations of the innocents who are not killed. To make an understatement, I very much disagree with you.

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

In Iraq Suicide bombers level the playing field, although in the wrong hands they can be used to hurt civilans which is regretable.

With that statement, you went back to being vague. "Level the playing field"? How? Could you be specific? It is just more pointlessness that keeps our 150,000 in Iraq.

Originally Posted by Spartiate

I think you give them too much credit. Suicide bombers are already desperately fanatical and endoctrinated, so logic isn't their strong suit. And maybe you underestimate just how much Palestinians hate Israelis (example), they really have a grudge on the people, not solely its government. So they try to inflict as much damage as they can on the people, without making many distinctions between the military and civilians.

That is exactly my theory on it. They are just hateful assholes who want to hurt people just for being Israeli. Well, that and they want to go to the Muslim Heaven and have sexy time. That's what it all comes down to.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Finally, that qualifies as an answer from you. So The blowing Up of masses of innocents hurts Israeli tourism, immigration, and stock. So all this time you have been saying that the mass killing of little kiddies, babies, mommies, and daddies is a good thing because it hurts Israeli immigration and the financial situations of the innocents who are not killed. To make an understatement, I very much disagree with you.

I told you in my PM that making a jewish state on Arab land is effectively tresspasing of the highest order. They have no right to have a country on Arab Land, I'm all for whatever it takes to get rid of these trespassers.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

With that statement, you went back to being vague. "Level the playing field"? How? Could you be specific? It is just more pointlessness that keeps our 150,000 in Iraq.

you guys invaded iraq a country that had nothing to with you. You attacked first now deal with the Reaction.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by universal mind

That is exactly my theory on it. They are just hateful assholes who want to hurt people just for being Israeli. Well, that and they want to go to the Muslim Heaven and have sexy time. That's what it all comes down To

No, like i said in the othe Thread one of Osama's grievances with america was the placement of usa soldiers in Saudi. You Respond to Osmas attack on america by invding a country that had nothing to do With 9/11 and had nothing to do with you guys. Look up the word

"Ummah" You guys invoked the wrath of the Ummah war Machine by Invading a muslim Country.

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

I told you in my PM that making a jewish state on Arab land is effectively tresspasing of the highest order. They have no right to have a country on Arab Land, I'm all for whatever it takes to get rid of these trespassers.

People who are on a piece of land because they were born there, their parents were born there, and their grandparents were born there are NOT trespassers. You are promoting flat out religious discrimination. Israel should be a democracy where all religions are treated equally. Anything else is an injustice, including the Israeli government's current bias.

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

you guys invaded iraq a country that had nothing to with you. You attacked first now deal with the Reaction.

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No, they violated our ceasefire and supported international terrorism on our planet. They were not at all innocent. "Deal with the reaction" does not answer anything. The insurgency is accomplishing nothing but keeping our large number of troops in Iraq and gettting a lot of innocent people killed. That's all!

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

No, like i said in the othe Thread one of Osama's grievances with america was the placement of usa soldiers in Saudi. You Respond to Osmas attack on america by invding a country that had nothing to do With 9/11 and had nothing to do with you guys. Look up the word

"Ummah" You guys invoked the wrath of the Ummah war Machine by Invading a muslim Country.

Usama is an irrational bigot, and we are not going to cater to his irrationality when we are dealing with an enemy terrorist government that engages in genocide and violates our ceasefire for 12 years. Usama has a very long list of problems with us, and catering to his delusional bullshit is impossible and not something we would be obligated to do any way. We have other obligations, and a bigotted lunatic caveman psychopath is not going to stop us. We are taking on terrorism potential period, not just the one bitch who got his bitches to fly into some of our buildings. This issue is way bigger than Al Qaeda.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

People who are on a piece of land because they were born there, their parents were born there, and their grandparents were born there are NOT trespassers. You are promoting flat out religious discrimination. Israel should be a democracy where all religions are treated equally. Anything else is an injustice, including the Israeli government's current bias.

Ya more like 80% of Israels population only has a history of 60 years in the region and even less go back to the Ailyah of 1882. Today there are only a handful of native jews. I use the word Native for those who pre date the Ailyah of 1882 when dissallusioned European jews started settling in Palestine.

The point is just cause someoen is born there doesnt make it their land they need to have a history the palestinians have a history of over a 1000 years in that land and more then 95% of Israels population only goes back to 1882 at the most. Fuck them is what i say let the Palestinians reclaim their land, there is a nice frosty peace place in siberia called the jewish autonmous zone. currently its an oblast of russia but it is just screaming jewish state and yes the jewish autonomous zone predates israel.

I have stated before that i sympathize with the plight of the arab jews because they were manhandled by the arab countries and i am in favour of giving them amensty but the people of European descent(no matter what their relegion) have to go!

I know its Ethnic cleansing but and eye for an eye right?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

No, they violated our ceasefire and supported international terrorism on our planet. They were not at all innocent. "Deal with the reaction" does not answer anything. The insurgency is accomplishing nothing but keeping our large number of troops in Iraq and gettting a lot of innocent people killed. That's all!

The issue of iraq was an issue for the international community ,the UN resoloution in no way gave permesion to any one country to invade iraq following non compliance. I maintain that it was an issue for the UN and possibly NATO to pursue obviously this would include your country playing a large role but my view is if any decleartion of war would be made on Iraq then it would be done only following UN approval and NATO cooperation, just like in Afghanistan. There is a reason i dont bitch about Afghanistan you know.

My point exactly is the UN rsoloution saying non compliance equals Dire consequences for Iraq was one for the UN to enforce and in no way gave any one country the right to enforce the order.

We are going to just go back and forth on this. At the end of the day i will think the USA was wrong to invade Iraq without NATO and UN permision and cooperation and at the end of the day your going to say the UN and NATO weren't doing the right thing and that you guys were in the right. I dont think we'll ever settle this issue. CAN WE AGREE TO DISAGREE?

The insurgency is figting this illegal occupation and if anyone should have to back out with their tales between their legs its you guys.

Basically what your telling me is someone has to back down with their tales tucked betweent heir legs. I think its you guys that should. You threw the first stone.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Usama is an irrational bigot, and we are not going to cater to his irrationality when we are dealing with an enemy terrorist government that engages in genocide and violates our ceasefire for 12 years. Usama has a very long list of problems with us, and catering to his delusional bullshit is impossible and not something we would be obligated to do any way. We have other obligations, and a bigotted lunatic caveman psychopath is not going to stop us. We are taking on terrorism potential period, not just the one bitch who got his bitches to fly into some of our buildings. This issue is way bigger than Al Qaeda.

The Issue of having christain soldiers in the muslim holy land is a issue that extended far beyound Al Qaeda and into much of the muslim world. it is one that made many muslim angry and it when thinking about invading iraq it would have helped to think about why they attacked you on 9/11. IE a huge reason which Osama was quite vocal about was the placment of usa troops in Saudi.

When you were invading Iraq you didn't bother to think that you were invading a muslim country and you didnt think of the possible rammification of such an action when the result as we know today would of been quite obvious.

Which leads me to think if an idiot could have the foresight to see this situation why was george bush talking all this greeeted as liberators bull shit?

I think the bush adminstration needs a course on Islam and compartive relegion....

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

Ya more like 80% of Israels population only has a history of 60 years in the region and even less go back to the Ailyah of 1882. Today there are only a handful of native jews. I use the word Native for those who pre date the Ailyah of 1882 when dissallusioned European jews started settling in Palestine.

The point is just cause someoen is born there doesnt make it their land they need to have a history the palestinians have a history of over a 1000 years in that land and more then 95% of Israels population only goes back to 1882 at the most. Fuck them is what i say let the Palestinians reclaim their land, there is a nice frosty peace place in siberia called the jewish autonmous zone. currently its an oblast of russia but it is just screaming jewish state and yes the jewish autonomous zone predates israel.

I have stated before that i sympathize with the plight of the arab jews because they were manhandled by the arab countries and i am in favour of giving them amensty but the people of European descent(no matter what their relegion) have to go!

I know its Ethnic cleansing but and eye for an eye right?

Every person there is an individual. The religion of Judaism is not a superorganism for which every individual Jew is responsible. It seems that a lot of your points are based on the idea that every member of a category is responsible for what every other member does. You talk as though if a man with red hair shoots a man with blue hair, it makes sense for another man with blue hair to shoot another man with red hair and that such an act would be "getting even". That is not a fair or logical system. Every person is an individual. I don't believe in any kind of religious, racial, or other ethnic discrimination. It is completely unfair.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Every person there is an individual. The religion of Judaism is not a superorganism for which every individual Jew is responsible. It seems that a lot of your points are based on the idea that every member of a category is responsible for what every other member does. You talk as though if a man with red hair shoots a man with blue hair, it makes sense for another man with blue hair to shoot another man with red hair and that such an act would be "getting even". That is not a fair or logical system. Every person is an individual. I don't believe in any kind of religious, racial, or other ethnic discrimination. It is completely unfair.

No im not saying that. I disagree and btw its a point i argue with israel supporters. On onother forum Israel supporters say that like 2000 years ago thre was a jewish state in the area and for like 3000 years there was a continous jewish prescence in Palestine and by their logic because a handful of jews lived t her continously it automatically extends ownership of the land to the worlds jews. Obviously its more complicated then that but thats what it boils down to.

Palestine is for Arabs and only for Arabs(Including jewish and christian Arabs). This is one of my major principles.

and on those other issues like with the wether or not the USA was right to invade iraq can we just agree to disagree?

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

Palestine is for Arabs and only for Arabs(Including jewish and christian Arabs). This is one of my major principles.

Is Europe for white people and only white people? I don't see how the two ideas are any different morally. I think such stances are very unfair and dangerous.

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

and on those other issues like with the wether or not the USA was right to invade iraq can we just agree to disagree?

It's up to you, but I just posted some questions that get to the heart of the whole thing. They are in the Iran thread.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Is Europe for white people and only white people? I don't see how the two ideas are any different morally. I think such stances are very unfair and dangerous.

The issue with Europe and the issue with Israel/Palestine is quite different since it envolves different circumstances and the issue with palestine is much more recent.

In Israel the immigrants who had only been in Palestine for less then a generation in 1947 demanded a country of their own on land with 700 000 arabs. In Europe do you see any of the North African or black immigrants demanding a country of their own on European Land?

The minority should respect the right of the majority in the case of israel if you ask me the minority immigrants from Europe violated the rights of the Majority Arabs.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

It's up to you, but I just posted some questions that get to the heart of the whole thing. They are in the Iran thread.

I was and am getting to those...slowly. I have a short attention span and large blobs of text are ...intimidating.

Anyway this discussion was pretty good i think it settled the things alright. I afraid this was going to turn into name calling and people throwing threats at me left and right like that guy who took my IP because i showed support for Hezbollah. Which according to him is a criminal act in canada...hmmm.

UM are you happy now? Was i specific enough? Any more issues or cani go back to the iran thread?

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

The issue with Europe and the issue with Israel/Palestine is quite different since it envolves different circumstances and the issue with palestine is much more recent.

In Israel the immigrants who had only been in Palestine for less then a generation in 1947 demanded a country of their own on land with 700 000 arabs. In Europe do you see any of the North African or black immigrants demanding a country of their own on European Land?

The minority should respect the right of the majority in the case of israel if you ask me the minority immigrants from Europe violated the rights of the Majority Arabs.

Everybody should respect everybody. Races and religions should not own land. Individuals should own land.

Originally Posted by dragonoverlord

Anyway this discussion was pretty good i think it settled the things alright. I afraid this was going to turn into name calling and people throwing threats at me left and right like that guy who took my IP because i showed support for Hezbollah. Which according to him is a criminal act in canada...hmmm.

I admit that I do have a major problem with support for those who deliberately kill people I care about or killanybody else who does not deserve to die, especially when the killing is about pure rage and selfishness. However, I don't think debates get anywhere when they turn into name calling competitions, so I try not to initiate that.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Everybody should respect everybody. Races and religions should not own land. Individuals should own land.

The European Immigrants did buy land, fair enough. They bought up land and built Kibbutzes(A type of farming village) and it was all fine and dandy until they demanded a country when they had been in Palestine for barely a generation. Do you know what the UN did? They gave the Jewish european immigrants a jewish state on land with 700 000 arabs on it.

You say races and relegions dont own land but obviously the UN disagrees with that premise as you can see by the above. You seem to be to hopeful about this whole situation but as i am keen to remind you the Palestinian/israeli conflict is enherently ethnocentric in nature.

Palestinian Vs Israeli Jew VS Arab Thats how it is.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

However, I don't think debates get anywhere when they turn into name calling competitions, so I try not to initiate that.

Im glad to hear it.