Thread: Religion

Problems like this should be addressed privately, be it through PM or via the "Report this Post" button to communicate with the staff, or through PM to the member in question if you wish to discuss the issue with them.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

Problems like this should be addressed privately, be it through PM or via the "Report this Post" button to communicate with the staff, or through PM to the member in question if you wish to discuss the issue with them.

Oh, then close it down... Sorry...

No problem, not a huge deal I'll let one of the moderators address the issue however.

There is nothing preventing someone from expressing their beliefs here, but any debate or discrepancy pertaining to said beliefs should remain in the proper forums or within PMs as Exobyte said. As far as this thread goes, an idea was presented, so the responses should consist of results and ways to even improve upon the method (if possible), rather than critique on one "religious" belief or another, in this case.

I'm keeping an eye on that thread and I've PM'd the person who wrote that asking him to keep faith general. For the time being it seems to be back to talking about effect on lucid dreams. If it degenerates into a religious discussion again then I'll lock it again.

There is another religion thread that is less related to lucid dreaming. We should watch that one too.

The prayer approach to lucid dreaming is also addressed in LaBerge's ETWOLD, in a completely non-denominational and non-sectarian way.

Seeing as how lucid dreaming has been nurtured and developed for centuries by a variety of spiritual devotees from Buddhists to shamans, (and, I believe, is even referenced in a number of places in the Bible,) a discussion of these practices in the on-topic forums AS THEY PERTAIN TO LUCID DREAMING is entirely appropriate.

If any of these threads stray into religious banter or bickering, they will be moved to R&S.

I had already posted a warning in this thread that if it degenerated, it would be moved to R&S.

Religion and politics. *sigh*

Originally Posted by NightLife

I didn't like the idea that a user typed Jesus Christ is Our Savior because for me, that is certainly not true...

I didn't read that thread but, give me a break. Are you really that sensitive that you're "offended" because some one believes in Jesus Christ as a savior. Seriously, how much more lame can you get? Does the whole world have to cave in to people that get their panties all in a knot because some one is man (or woman) enough to express a belief in something GOOD?

Offended all to hell and back because some one said "Jesus Christ is Our Savior"? Political correctness strikes again. Might as well go cry to Mommy. Some one's trying to be nice to you. Wouldn't want a more pleasant world, now would we?

I don't care what religion - or non-religion - you are, how the heck can you be offended by that? I'm almost offended at how ridiculously ridiculous your complaint is. Completely absurd, to say the least.

Get a life and grow a back bone. You just may need it some day.

After that post, I don't think you have the right to complain to him about "getting his panties in a knot."

GRAMMAR LESSON:

Just because someone addresses a group using the word "our," does not mean you are included. Last time I checked, "our" means any group that includes the speaker. It does not have to include the audience; it's a matter of interpretation. The user was probably referring to himself and his church group.

If you'd like to interpret it offensively, that is your perception. Speaking as one who believes in no religion, I believe that the true offenders were the mocking voices of "pokemon banana pasta gods."

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

I didn't read that thread but, give me a break. Are you really that sensitive that you're "offended" because some one believes in Jesus Christ as a savior. Seriously, how much more lame can you get? Does the whole world have to cave in to people that get their panties all in a knot because some one is man (or woman) enough to express a belief in something GOOD?

Offended all to hell and back because some one said "Jesus Christ is Our Savior"? Political correctness strikes again. Might as well go cry to Mommy. Some one's trying to be nice to you. Wouldn't want a more pleasant world, now would we?

I don't care what religion - or non-religion - you are, how the heck can you be offended by that? I'm almost offended at how ridiculously ridiculous your complaint is. Completely absurd, to say the least.

Get a life and grow a back bone. You just may need it some day.

Haha my thoughts exactly, if there is anything to get offended at its all the useless spam that certain people (we all know who) post all over The Lounge.

decided to delete my previous statement. It was nothing bad, but better if I stay out of it.

Originally Posted by ExoByte

After that post, I don't think you have the right to complain to him about "getting his panties in a knot."

I hear ya'. But some things are much, much different when it comes to knotted panties. If you're familiar with my history of gripes, you're probably aware that mine and this case are not the same at all.

Freedom Of Speech >!

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

I didn't read that thread but, give me a break. Are you really that sensitive that you're "offended" because some one believes in Jesus Christ as a savior. Seriously, how much more lame can you get? Does the whole world have to cave in to people that get their panties all in a knot because some one is man (or woman) enough to express a belief in something GOOD?

Offended all to hell and back because some one said "Jesus Christ is Our Savior"? Political correctness strikes again. Might as well go cry to Mommy. Some one's trying to be nice to you. Wouldn't want a more pleasant world, now would we?

I don't care what religion - or non-religion - you are, how the heck can you be offended by that? I'm almost offended at how ridiculously ridiculous your complaint is. Completely absurd, to say the least.

Get a life and grow a back bone. You just may need it some day.

but please consider that talking about a savior or a deity on a message board might end up badly...

I typed this thread so that the forum could avoid these types of arguments... It did offend me because I'm proud of my atheistic beliefs and I only share my atheistic views either in the lounge or when voting in the poll... (Oh and here) The fact that you posted in this thread only to rant at me is what's absurd... Telling me to get a life??? Also, I'm not offended that Jesus Christ is his savior... I'm offended that he said our...

To the other person who said "our" can mean a group... He didn't mention any group. I don't think that he mentioned Christianity, so one would think that he is talking about everyone who reads that thread...

Oneironaught, you type as if you were Jim Rome... I don't like Jim Rome...

Originally Posted by NightLife

Also, I'm not offended that Jesus Christ is his savior... I'm offended that he said our...

To the other person who said "our" can mean a group... He didn't mention any group. I don't think that he mentioned Christianity, so one would think that he is talking about everyone who reads that thread...

I'm sorry but there is just no way around this. When you come to a forum, there's always SOMETHING that is going to offend SOMEBODY. I'm sorry you're offended because somebody said the word "our". If you are that easily offended, it's best if you avoid these types of threads completely. Everyone needs to be accepting of each others beliefs... unless you are posting in the R/S forum, that is

Originally Posted by NightLife

I didn't like the idea that a user typed Jesus Christ is Our Savior because for me, that is certainly not true...

Why sure it is, son, you've just denied him in your heart.

Originally Posted by Burns

I'm sorry but there is just no way around this. When you come to a forum, there's always SOMETHING that is going to offend SOMEBODY. I'm sorry you're offended because somebody said the word "our". If you are that easily offended, it's best if you avoid these types of threads completely. Everyone needs to be accepting of each others beliefs... unless you are posting in the R/S forum, that is

I went to that thread so that I could reason with the user about how not everyone believes in the same thing... I created this thread so that the Mods could try and fix this... Now people are making it seem like I'm easily offended... You could say "NightLife, you're going to hell" (I wouldn't be offended) "NightLife, your stupid" (I wouldn't be offended) or "NightLife, nobody likes you" and I wouldn't be offended at all... It's when a user says that Jesus Christ is my savior??? Savior from what... Overall I'd say that my life is going great... Yes, everyone needs to be accepting of each other beliefs... *Unless that person says that I have a savior. (I still have no ______ idea what a savior is and why anyone would need one) I feel like no one is going to understand me because you're all caught up in your beliefs... Okay, and example... Terrorist would say to you guys "Okay, if you sacrifice yourself to kill others, then you're going to heaven with I don't know how many virgins" If a terrorist told you that, you would argue the point or just laugh in his face... I didn't want to laugh in the face of that user because I think that it's wrong to mock someone's beliefs... So I argued that he shouldn't be saying that on a forum because it might become offensive to some users... By the way, back to that user who said that I shouldn't get my pants up in a knot or something... I don't get angry at this stuff, I just like to prove my point... As I was creating this thread, I can honestly tell you that I wasn't wearing any pants... So don't think that this thread and my argument was out of anger...

I don't think you are understanding my point. ANYTHING that is posted could be construed as offensive to ANYONE at any given time. What if someone says they just bought a new Honda? But I hate Hondas and only think people should buy American cars - Should I get all offended and start a thread about not letting people talk about their foreign cars because it could be offensive to some people? No because this is a public forum and people have the right to express their opinions. Do you see what I am getting at here? (btw, the car thing was just an example analogy for anyone who will offended that I'm offended by foreign cars )

We have the R/S forum to discuss and debate religious topics. If someone posts about a savior or whatever there, and you are offended by it, please feel free to debate it if you want. Since religious debates can turn easily turn heated, we do not permit religious discussion outside of the R/S forum.

Originally Posted by Burns

I don't think you are understanding my point. ANYTHING that is posted could be construed as offensive to ANYONE at any given time. What if someone says they just bought a new Honda? But I hate Hondas and only think people should buy American cars - Should I get all offended and start a thread about not letting people talk about their foreign cars because it could be offensive to some people? No because this is a public forum and people have the right to express their opinions. Do you see what I am getting at here? (btw, the car thing was just an example analogy for anyone who will offended that I'm offended by foreign cars )

We have the R/S forum to discuss and debate religious topics. If someone posts about a savior or whatever there, and you are offended by it, please feel free to debate it if you want. Since religious debates can turn easily turn heated, we do not permit religious discussion outside of the R/S forum.

Oh, I get it now... Sorry... I just thought that most people would be even more offended by discussions dealing with religion... Considering that religion is serious business to many people... Anyways, I'll stop now because I don't want to get even more on your bad side... I'm actually a fun loving person... Hehe...

Originally Posted by NightLife

Oh, I get it now... Sorry... I just thought that most people would be even more offended by discussions dealing with religion... Considering that religion is serious business to many people... Anyways, I'll stop now because I don't want to get even more on your bad side... I'm actually a fun loving person... Hehe...

You're not on my bad side! You're allowed to ask questions or make comments. The way the community runs around here takes some getting used to (and sometimes some thick skin ), but the learning curve is worth it, believe me!

Originally Posted by Burns

I'm sorry but there is just no way around this. When you come to a forum, there's always SOMETHING that is going to offend SOMEBODY.

What if you say hello?

I've avoided this thread for a while because I didn't want to say anything about it really as I find this whole situation stupid. The only reason I posted it mainly due to make a non funny, witful and sarcastic joke about what Burns said.

Still if you don't agree with what some one said when it comes to religion, ignore it. What's the point in posting? We don't need a fight over whose God is better.

Originally Posted by NightLife

I typed this thread so that the forum could avoid these types of arguments...

There is no argument.

Originally Posted by you

It did offend me because I'm proud of my atheistic beliefs...

But others can't be proud of their beliefs in a manner that is nothing less than peaceful and loving? That's the point, as I've said. You are being way, way, way too sensitive about this.

Burns nailed it when she pointed out that ANYthing can - and will - offend SOME one. There's only so far that walking on egg shells can go. There comes a point in life when you simply must stand up and have the backbone to face normal, everyday life. Life is far more challenging than "Jesus is our Saviour".

The post you complain about wasn't mean, nasty, unlawful, breaking any rules, being "offensive", forceful or pushy about any views. Nor was it fighting to plea a case for any perspective on the matter, only stating a widely-held and friendly message. If that offends you then your place is under a rock, not on the Internet.

You'd be hard pressed to read a frickin' bumper sticker that's not going to offend you if your genuinely hurt by the original comment.

Originally Posted by you

Oneironaught, you type as if you were Jim Rome... I don't like Jim Rome...

I'm curious as to whether that's mutual. And who is Jim Rome? Never mind. I don't care.

Originally Posted by NightLife

I went to that thread so that I could reason with the user about how not everyone believes in the same thing...

Then you cried when you found out that you were right? O.... K....

It's funny how you went there to prove some one wrong then complained about it.

Originally Posted by you

I created this thread so that the Mods could try and fix this...

But there's nothing to "fix". Have you ever seen a TV show? TV commercial? How about heard a radio commercial? A newspaper? Church billboard? A T-shirt? A bumper sticker? There's "Jesus is OUR saviour", "God is Lord" and a trillion other variations everywhere you turn in life. And you can't be hurt by everybody's well-wishes all the time. It's silly and the polar opposite of the message.

I'm not standing up for either side. Know that I'm far from a religious supporter but, I can still appreciate the intention of the message. Whether I personally believe it or not, I understand that it's a friendly message backed by great intentions and motives.

Lighten up and enjoy the forum or you'll turn into a crusty old man like me. Smile

Peace on you and God bless

Strangely, I agree with GH on this one.

Way too sensitive. I'm an Atheist too, but Christ I don't get pissed off or offended when someone else expresses their belief in God or Jesus. Its this kind of thing that breeds political correctness, and political correctness has tainted the world.

Its this kind of bull that leads to things like a person walking down the street "Merry Christmas!" "FUCK YOU! I'M NOT CHRISTIAN! I DON'T NEED YOUR CRAP!" *lawsuit* Which is all too common these days.