Disappearing Bee Theories
Why are the bees disappearing? Nobody seems to know. Here are some of the theories being debated about the reason for disappearing bees.
It was earlier this year, during spring that news agencies first began reporting about a worrisome phenomenon about beekeepers going to their hives and discovering that their bees had vanished. Sometimes, all that remained were the queen bee and a few hatchling bees. The puzzling thing was that the beekeepers did not find any evidence of the usual predators of bees, such as wasps and animals that like honey. Neither did they find any trace of large numbers of dead bees nor any sign of bee diseases such as foulbrood or chalkbrood, which the developing larvae of bees usually fall prey to, nor was there any evidence of any of the mite species that attack fully grown or developing bees. Hence, on the basis of this evidence, it was surmised that the bees couldn’t have died of any sickness or predator attack. Plus, many of the beekeepers also reported that other bees, animals and moths stayed away from the newly abandoned nests, at least for the initial few days. From past experience, this phenomenon has been known to happen when bees have died of chemical contamination or disease.
Why Should Disappearing Bees Cause Concern?
Well, arguably, the honeybee, which is the species of bees that is disappearing, is the insect that is the most important for the human food chain. The reason being, that this species is the main pollinator of hundreds of types of food crops, nuts, flowers, vegetables and fruits. Hence, it was no surprise that many, including scientists, found the news reports of disappearing bees alarming. In fact, some of the articles even suggested that it could even result in widespread starvation. Some of them also quoted Albert Einstein, who is supposed to have said that if the world’s bees were to perish, humanity would too within four years, due to the absence of pollinators. Although it is highly improbable that Einstein had ever made this now-infamous statement about bees, however, Colony Collapse Disorder, or CCD, which is the phrase that has been coined for the disappearance of bees, is a phenomenon that is real. And, according to scientists, it does have the potential of impacting honey and food production dramatically. Hence, there are a number of theories being bandied about in an effort to fathom the reason for disappearing bees. Given below are some of the disappearing bee theories that are being debated about:
Could Stress and Diet be the reason for Disappearing Bees?
In recent years, honeybees have been undergoing great stress as an increasing number of beekeepers have taken recourse to filling up huge trucks with them and crisscrossing all over the country seeking pollination work. These bees may be suffering from the effects of an unhealthy diet that includes concoctions that are similar to power bars and energy drinks, basically made up of artificial supplements. In a number of states, the spread of sprawling suburbs has severely impinged on the natural forage areas of the bees.
Some say Radiation from Mobile Phones is the Culprit for Bees Disappearing
Some researchers are of the opinion that bee populations may be adversely affected by the rise in electromagnetic radiation in the atmosphere due to the increasing numbers of wireless communication towers and mobile phones. The hypothesis is that the radiation from these devices may interfere with the bees’ systems of navigation, thus hindering their ability to find their way back to their nests. Some studies found that when mobile phones were placed near their hives, bees would not come back there. Further studies are underway at present to find out to what extent bees and other insects are affected by this kind of radiation.
Could Bees be Disappearing due to Pesticides and Genetically Modified Food?
Many think that the growing use of chemical herbicides and pesticides, which are ingested by bees when they make their daily pollination forays, are to blame greatly. Beehives that are kept for commercial purposes are also fumigated regularly with chemicals to get rid of harmful mites. Genetically modified crops, which could be producing pollen with poor nutritional value, is another suspect thought to be responsible for bees disappearing.
Perhaps a combination of both, pollen from genetically modified crops and chemicals, may have tipped the balance leading to the collapse of bee populations. This theory is lent credence by the fact that organically raised bees, which are not subjected to genetically modified crops and chemicals, are not undergoing the Colony Collapse Disorder that the other bees are experiencing.
Or is Global Warming the Reason Bees are Disappearing?
Scientists are also wondering whether global warming could be accelerating the growth rates of pathogens like fungi, viruses and mites, which are known to adversely affect bee colonies. The unusual fluctuations in weather patterns, which are also thought to be caused by global warming, could also be affecting bee populations, which are used to more consistent patterns of weather.
Although there are a number of disappearing bee theories like these, scientists are still searching for the cause. Even though there was no consensus amongst leading bee biologists when they gathered together to discuss the mystery recently, most were of the opinion that it could be a combination of factors that could be the reason. Hence, the next time you spot a busy bee buzzing about its business, stop and marvel at this little creature, thanking it for the marvelous task it accomplishes – for, if the trend of them disappearing continues, you may not see them around any more. [SOURCE]
Yeah I heard of this for the first time a few months ago. It's interesting how something like bees is so significant and suddenly so threatened... I hope they decide on the actual cause soon.
03-28-2008, 05:06 AM
juroara
real question is, where did they go? to the wild flowers where no human can bother them? :banana:
03-28-2008, 05:16 AM
Cyclic13
The coast to coast interview came up with an interesting theory which links it to the vibrational frequency of the bees, and geometry of their honey combs which more acutely pick up resonance changes.
Putting the idea out there that this might be signs of the cymatics of our planet changing.
03-28-2008, 05:18 AM
ExoByte
Sadly, its not just bees. Its species of insects and animals all over the globe. Its almost unanimously agreed that we're in the next Great Extinction cycle, largest since the time of the dinosaurs.
Here's an interesting page on the subject. There are hundreds and hundreds of links at the bottom of the page, to reports of animals and insects 'vanishing.' It's insane.
03-28-2008, 05:20 AM
Cyclic13
Maybe their vibrational frequencies are more acutely attuned to the resonance of the planet, and they just found their small window to pop up to a higher dimension, and as we reach the years leading up to 2012 other acutely attuned species may start to seemingly pop out of existence as they reach their frequencies, as well? That would be cool, but it's just a guess.
Who knows? It's quite interesting either way, though.
03-28-2008, 09:18 AM
nina
Very interesting. I'm also a huge M. Night Shyamalan fan...so I look forward to seeing that movie. =)
03-28-2008, 01:08 PM
Mes Tarrant
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
03-28-2008, 02:01 PM
Patrick
I love M. Night Shyamalan to bits, but this looks really, really cheesy. I hope some originality has gone into it.
03-28-2008, 02:17 PM
Cyclic13
Gee, I wonder why M. Night Shyamalan chose Friday the 13th to release the movie?
It's time for some quick off-topic synchromysicism trivia:
Did you know that in numerology, the number twelve is considered the number of completeness, as reflected in the twelve months of the year, twelve signs of the zodiac, the twelve tribes of Israel etc., whereas the number thirteen was considered irregular transgressing this completeness?
Did you also know that the day before the end of the 13th mayan circular cycle of time falls on Friday Dec 20th, 2012?
"For the Mayans, everything is numbers and the time of the 13 sacred numbers started in August 1999. They predicted that along with the eclipse, the forces of nature would act like a catalyst of changes so accelerated and with such magnitude that mankind would be powerless against them. Also, that our technologies in which we rely on so much would begin to fail us. We would no longer be able to learn from our civilization in the way that we are organized as a society. They said that our internal, spiritual development would require a better place along with a better way to interact with more respect and compassion."Taken from here
Did you know that Friday in Japanese directly translates to Golden day, and Saturday is Earth day?
Also, obviously Saturday is a derivative of the planet Saturn, which ancient people worshiped due to it's active role in the cosmic changes. The end of that Mayan cycle also happens to be on Saturday, Dec. 21 2012. Not to mention, The time right around the winter solstice which was celebrated by pagans was called Saturnalia.
"Associations made with the movement of the stars of the Pleiades is that of time-keeping. There have many calendar systems that utilize the positions of the Pleiades, agriculturally and sacred. The pyramid and temple complex of Teotihuacan, near Mexico City, is oriented to where the Pleiades set along the horizon.
Temples in Greece and Ancient Egypt were oriented to these stars. The Great Pyramid at Giza had been
built in alignment with the Pleiades. Temples, stone circles and other rock formations in Polynesia and
many other places on the planet show Pleiadian alignments. Every 52 years in the Mayan civilization
the Pleiades would pass directly overhead of major ceremonial centers, such as Tikal and Palenque.
Chichén Itzá was "reactivated" by the Quetzalcoatl. At that time, Pleiades passed directly
over this site, and the star called Maia, was directly over the zenith of Chichén Itzá. The
influence of the Pleiades is the most heightened in May and November every year.
This is when Pleiadian consciousness is most accessible to humanity." Taken from here
Ouroboros & the Cosmos http://www.wisdomportal.com/V838Mono...NYT3-9-04).jpghttp://www.wisdomportal.com/Ouroboros-1.jpg
"This symbol appears principally among the Gnostics and is depicted as a dragon, snake or serpent biting its own tail. It is symbolic of time and of the continuity of life. In some versions of the Ouroboros, the body is half light & half dark, alluding to the successive counterbalancing of opposing principles in the Chinese Yang-Yin symbol. Evola says that it represents the dissolution of the body, or the universal serpent which "passes through all things." The ouroboros biting its own tail is symbolic of self-fecundation, or the primitive idea of a self-sufficient Nature-- a Nature, that is, its own beginning."
03-28-2008, 03:30 PM
Cyclic13
And to top it all off, look what I just happened to find AFTER I finished typing all that nonsense...
Galactic Alignment, Floyd, and The Hyperdimensional Bees
Maybe getting some royal bee jelly is worth it? http://www.buyamag.com/graphics/gin.gif
Royal jelly is a honey bee secretion that is used in the nutrition of the larvae. It is secreted from the hypopharyngeal glands in the heads of young workers and used (among other substances) to feed all of the larvae in the colony, including those destined to become workers. If a queen is needed, the hatchling will receive only royal jelly - and in large quantities - as its food source for the first four days of its growth, and this rapid, early feeding triggers the development of queen morphology, including the fully developed ovaries needed to lay eggs. Some commercial royal jelly suppliers disseminate misinformation such as "Only queen larvae and adult queens are fed royal jelly"; the fact remains that all larvae in a colony are fed royal jelly, and adult bees do not consume it at all.
:chuckle:
03-28-2008, 03:54 PM
Patrick
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
Royal jelly is a honey bee secretion that is used in the nutrition of the larvae. It is secreted from the hypopharyngeal glands in the heads of young workers and used (among other substances) to feed all of the larvae in the colony, including those destined to become workers.
Theres an awesome short story about royal jelly by Roald Dahl. I think it's Roald Dahl... Anyway, this beekeeper feeds royal jelly to his newborn baby, because she's not eating, and she turns into a bee or something like that... :P
03-28-2008, 04:03 PM
tkdyo
but friday and saturday are not special in chinese....they just say 5th day and 6th day...:P
hehe, I know, but I am thinking from the stand point that, and maybe this information is false, chinese is to pacific asia as latin was to europe, in that several languages are based off of it including japanese. So it would be a more amazing coincidence if chinese had something like that too.
ps, if you could direct me to some software so that I can type chinese and japanese on my comp that would be sweet :)
03-28-2008, 04:23 PM
Cyclic13
I bought my laptop here in Japan so it comes with Japanese language support. I just take pictures of what I write using the mac's shift+cmd '4' crop ability and post the image for all to see. If I don't do that, I think people need to have language support to see it.
03-28-2008, 04:25 PM
tkdyo
I do have the language support to read chinese and japanese text. but I guess I should ask my chinese teacher if she knows of any programs, cause I cant find any, haha
03-28-2008, 04:28 PM
Cyclic13
When I was in America I used NJ star... I think it's a free shareware for PC.
lol, buzzzzzzz....so, scientists might start genetically engineering plants so that they can procreate themselves, do you think that is a good thing to do?
03-28-2008, 05:24 PM
Moonbeam
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick
Theres an awesome short story about royal jelly by Roald Dahl. I think it's Roald Dahl... Anyway, this beekeeper feeds royal jelly to his newborn baby, because she's not eating, and she turns into a bee or something like that... :P
Is that the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory guy? I think I missed that story..
The kind of bees that are dying off aren't native to North America anyway. It was an unnatural existence to start with.
What ever happened to killer bees and fire ants, anyway? Are we still plagued by them? I moved north to escape them, and so far it's working.
03-28-2008, 05:37 PM
Cyclic13
I think the answer lies in the focusing of the vibrations in those cymatically shaped hexagons found in nature...
In linux I use SCIM which comes with ubuntu by default but there's probably others.
03-28-2008, 07:14 PM
tkdyo
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant
Not just Fri and Sat, but all the rest of the days as well... except Sunday. It's all very silly. :P
haha, yes, this is true. have you taken a basic chinese course? I think this language is a lot of fun, dont even have to conjugate verbs!!!
edit, thanks scatterbrain, I will try it!
03-28-2008, 07:39 PM
Xei
Quote:
I think the answer lies in the focusing of the vibrations in those cymatically shaped hexagons found in nature...
I hope that's a joke... hexagons don't tend to 'vibrate'.
03-28-2008, 08:04 PM
Sornaensis
Mites.
03-28-2008, 08:11 PM
Cyclic13
Can't argue with that logic!
THE END! :banana:
03-28-2008, 08:11 PM
Patrick
Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonbeam
Is that the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory guy? I think I missed that story..
Yeah, but he did lots of short stories for older readers. They usually had quite disturbing twists at the end.
03-28-2008, 08:13 PM
Sornaensis
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
Can't argue with that logic!
THE END! :banana:
No seriously, dude.
I live around an area that is full of beehives, both feral and man-made.
Whenever there is a lot of bees disappearing/dying, it's usually Mites that get onto the domesticated bees from the wild ones, that then infects the whole colony, and they die off.
03-28-2008, 08:14 PM
Cyclic13
The thing is, they go through all those theories and more in the interviews. It's not so clean-cut as that. ;)
03-28-2008, 08:16 PM
Sornaensis
Actually all they do in those interviews (Especially Coast to Coast-- Who the hell listens to them???) is blow up the subject to something a lot larger than it is.
03-28-2008, 08:20 PM
Cyclic13
Uh, If you don't want to speculate... leave...
Along with entertaining thoughts, I suppose that's hard for trolls like you to do. You sadly search out ways of belittlement.
03-28-2008, 08:23 PM
Sornaensis
Well why speculate when I can go ask the beekeeper down the street what he thinks considering he is directly affected by the problem?
But I forgot no one is allowed to be sensical in their answering of questions in your threads.
Right.
Next time I'll find the largest synonyms to words I would use, phrase everything vaguely and post half-a dozen pictures in my post.
03-28-2008, 08:31 PM
Cyclic13
If you say so.
Yea, all the scientists and investigators frantically working to figure it out just forgot to ask a beekeeper. Case closed.
Nice job!
03-28-2008, 08:33 PM
Moonbeam
Seis is right, why are you calling him a troll? I thought this was all a joke or something; they already figured out why the bees are dying, which as Seis said is caused by parasites, living in an environment in which they didn't evolve, and the stresses placed on the colonies by constant moving, which how the bee-keepers make money. It's not a mystery. :hrm:
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Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick
Yeah, but he did lots of short stories for older readers. They usually had quite disturbing twists at the end.
Cool; I'll have to check those out. I liked the Chocolate Factory/Glass Elevator, read a million years ago.
03-28-2008, 08:37 PM
Cyclic13
No the parasites are actually one of the theories... it's inconclusive...
The cause or causes of the syndrome are not yet well understood. Theories include environmental change-related stresses,[5] malnutrition, pathogens (i.e., disease[6] including Israel acute paralysis virus[7][8]), mites, pesticides such as neonicotinoids or imidacloprid, and genetically modified (GM) crops with pest control characteristics such as transgenic maize.
03-28-2008, 08:46 PM
nina
Some of you people seem to be missing the BIGGER PICTURE here. Not surprising.
Regardless of exactly WHY the bees are disappearing and what not, does not make the rest of the information presented in this thread useless.
It's all extremely interesting to me. I had no idea that bees were disappearing. Even if it is just mites or parasites or whatever, there's no denying the "coincidences" of the hexagonal patterns, etc. throughout the universe.
03-28-2008, 08:53 PM
Cyclic13
Aww, thanks love. ;)
03-28-2008, 09:10 PM
Xei
It's not a 'coincidence', it's a fundemental consequence of Euclidian geometry and hence the universe we live in. :|
Hexagons, squares, and triangles are the only three regular tesselating polygons, so they're found all through the universe, from the basic crystals of atomic structure and up.
What I find a lot more interesting are the fundamental constants that determine the whole of the universe, such as pi, e, and crucially to nature in particular, phi (just check out all of the golden spirals in nature). What's interesting is that these are just random, infinitely long numbers; where do they 'come from' and why are they what they are?
That's a bit of a tangent though. But as I say, so are hexagons, they're not that remarkable and have absolutely nothing to do with the disappearance of bees.
03-28-2008, 09:19 PM
Cyclic13
According to you, which means absolutely nothing to me. Go away.
Not everything is an argument waiting to be won.
03-28-2008, 09:27 PM
Xei
Wow, real maturity there.
If you didn't want an adult discussion about this then you shouldn't have posted it.
However that's what you did, and unless you simply post stuff to hear people agree with you in order to improve your own mental wellbeing, which I'm hoping for your sake that you don't, could you please respond to any respectful responses properly. Simply making a random, amazing, and fairly vague statement out of the blue isn't good enough.
03-28-2008, 09:28 PM
ExoByte
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
According to you, which means absolutely nothing to me. Go away.
Not everything is an argument waiting to be won.
Jesus Christ Sol Skye. I like your threads and love the speculation going on here, but you're acting like you're the only one allowed to have an opinion. You complain to Seis that he should leave if he won't speculate, Xei offers his thoughts on the matter and you belittle him. If you're going to be an asshole, at least be a consistent one rather than acting like a hypocrite.
Sure not everything is an argument waiting to be won, but not everything that doesn't fit into your model of thought is i unworthy of consideration. Nor is anything that doesn't fit your thought pattern false or incorrect.
If you want to discuss a specific theory, make the thread on that specific theory. Don't offer other theories and ask people to post what they think and then berate them when they do. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Theres a friggin tangent.
03-28-2008, 09:38 PM
Cyclic13
Again. There are ways of talking WITH people without talking TO them. When people put negative tones in their posts I don't enjoy that. PERIOD. I don't post threads for people to excrete bile, I post them for people to exchange ideas.
Saying bold statements from within the confines of the ego like...
"I hope that's a joke..."
"Who the hell listens to them???"
"phrase everything vaguely and post half-a dozen pictures"
"It's not a 'coincidence"
"they're not that remarkable"
"absolutely nothing to do with"
I don't think I have to point out that certain characters on here seem to enjoy searching out opportunities to offend and condescend. Perhaps, I was even one of them in the past. However, I obviously didn't intend that with this thread.
So, why should I accept that in the thread? I don't have to accept anything I don't intend... Especially considering I spend a long time putting the threads together to be as informative and mind-opening as possible... ;)
03-28-2008, 09:42 PM
Moonbeam
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolSkye
Theories include environmental change-related stresses,[5] malnutrition, pathogens (i.e., disease[6] including Israel acute paralysis virus[7][8]), mites, pesticides such as neonicotinoids or imidacloprid, and genetically modified (GM) crops with pest control characteristics such as transgenic maize.
I don't doubt that GM organisms are going to cause trouble. Pesticides are bad too. The bees were not natural either, however; maybe it isn't such a terrible thing if they are gone from North America anyway, at least if the native pollinators aren't already wiped out--I haven't heard of the being true, so hopefully not. Introducing non-native species usually results in imbalances; a lot of the time it's the environment that suffers, this time it happens to be the "invader".
Non-native worms are causing a lot of trouble in the northern parts of this continent. No earthworms were native to areas where the last glacier came down. Many European worms were introduced, and they have eaten all of the organic matter which used to protect the forest floor; now that is gone and there is erosion and detrimental change in the soil. As far as I know, the worms do not use any triangles or hexagons. Mostly just amorphous crap.
03-28-2008, 09:57 PM
Xei
SolSyke, I'm not trying to insult anybody. I just don't bother feathering my sentences with iffy little phrases; if I want to make a point, I'm going to be blunt about it.
I could add 'it is only my opinion that...' before every single sentence if you wanted, but I really can't be bothered to waste my time sounding like an indecisive goon when I have a point to make, and if you hadn't realised, it's already bloody obvious that anything I post is invariably going to be my personal opinion anyway.
Now if you'd like to carry on with the actual topic of conversation? Because, thinking about it, I can't remember a single time when you've actually responded to anything I've said, instead of going off on one about how someone could have done something so outrageously rude as disagreeing with you.
03-28-2008, 10:10 PM
Cyclic13
Apologies, if I stepped out of line. I don't think I have, though.
I find, all these interwoven formulas and self-similar structures being ever-present in all things quite fascinating. I like connecting dots. I would hardly be able to jump the gun enough to draw a conclusion of their NOT being a causal connection between their structure and disappearance. I just don't like jumping to conclusions.
I like jumping between them. I guess that's what I prefer from people in these threads I create... not building up these superfluous walls of doubt, bubbles of belief, and hurdles of preconception in things they aren't authorities on, anyway... They don't help anything here...
They just get in the way.
Building onto an idea on the other hand? You could do so much more that way...
Taking a Productive path, as opposed to Destructive one with ideas is generally more Constructive, wouldn't you say? :)
Just look at what happened to that cymatics thread after skysaw started to entertain the thought? Now, he got inspired to create something based of running with that train of thought... You'd be surprised... that's how it works... tearing down those walls works wonders...
03-28-2008, 10:35 PM
nina
SolSkye...my best advice...when you post threads like this...if someone DOES post something that pisses you off. Just try to ignore it. Don't rise. You know? Because there are some of us who really appreciate these threads. And I don't give a shit about what those people have to say. But I also don't like reading replies of you yelling at them. Don't lower yourself to that level. =)
:kiss:
03-28-2008, 10:49 PM
Cyclic13
So true. ;)
03-28-2008, 11:16 PM
Xei
:|
03-29-2008, 12:40 AM
Xaqaria
Solskye, you must be a religious follower of the Law of Fives.
The Law of Fives states simply that: All things happen in Fives, or are divisible by or are multiples of Five, or are somehow directly or indirectly appropriate to 5.
The Law of Fives is never wrong.
-Principia Discordia
03-29-2008, 01:21 AM
Xei
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Solskye, you must be a religious follower of the Law of Fives.
Wow, that was the 50th post in this thread!
Which also happens to be two times five to the power of two!
And two times five, to the power of two, divided by two! :0
The law of fives demonstrates its awesome power once more. Don't mock it.
It's like you're directly connected to the internet...
LOL!! I know what you mean. I think they are awesome though. =P Some people just find it easier to let pictures do their talking.
03-30-2008, 06:22 PM
wasup
i.e. let others do the thinking for them
03-30-2008, 06:34 PM
Sornaensis
Maybe because every forty years a large outbreak of parasites occurs due to immunities built up to the pesticides/bee grooming?
You can't seriously have not thought of that.
03-30-2008, 06:38 PM
nina
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
Maybe because every forty years a large outbreak of parasites occurs due to immunities built up to the pesticides/bee grooming?
You can't seriously have not thought of that.
Exactly. I'm just saying there's a pattern of it happening every 40 years...whatever the cause is, it should be helpful to take that into account. Maybe they have some sort of natural life cycle that causes them to disappear every 40 years, I dunno?
03-30-2008, 06:44 PM
Sornaensis
Not exactly.
Around every forty years-- No exact dates are given. Nonetheless, I really don't see how that movie trailer in the OP was reevent at all.
Terrorists linked to disapearing bees? What?
03-30-2008, 06:50 PM
nina
It's not about terrorists. It's about an agricultural disaster or something I think? The earth is fighting back? Releasing toxins from plants? I'm not sure. Sort of reminds me of Advent Children in a way.
03-30-2008, 06:56 PM
Sornaensis
:rolllaugh:
03-30-2008, 07:03 PM
nina
Quote:
:rolllaugh:
Did I say something stupid or funny?
03-30-2008, 07:06 PM
Sornaensis
No, the movie.
Earth releasing toxins and fighting back?
Back against what? And the earth isn't an organism, it is an ecosystem.
03-30-2008, 07:08 PM
nina
Yeah...but there's some theory that like...each ecosystem has it's own ability to fight back when necessary. I dunno the theory. I just read something about it on IMDB heh.
03-30-2008, 07:12 PM
Sornaensis
An ecosystem cannot "fight back" because an ecosystem is not a sentient entity. INSIDE the ecosystem, things that upset specific balances can cause reprocussions that can lopside the ecosystem, but it would eventually even out by way of Biological evolution.
There is no "problem". Humans cannot be a problem, nor cause "problems" because we came from the ecosystem, and are a part of the system, and our and all other biological life on the planet is connected through it.
03-30-2008, 07:12 PM
nina
This is what I read, it just was some random post but I found it interesting. Also, the script for the movie was leaked. I have it. I'll probably read it later. I know, spoil all the fun, whatever. I'm interested. =P
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I read a very interesting book a few years ago called 'Gaia: a new look at life on earth'. It is by James Lovelock and is a good read; he hypothesises that the earth is, to all intents and purposes, a self-regulating system consisting of the atmosphere, living things and the ecosystems that contain them, the oceans and the underlying rocks and is capable of defending itself if threatened.
Consider a dog with a few fleas; he doesn't do much except have the odd scratch. But if the dog becomes infested then he can become extremely sick and so everything is done to eradict the pest problem and return the dog to health. Wild dogs tend to submerge themselves in streams, etc very slowly to force the fleas out (I've seen a fox do this, it was amazing).
Lovelock's theory is very similar to this - the earth is now reaching the point where the eco-system has no choice but to fight back to save itself from the destruction taking place. In fact his new book 'The Revenge of Gaia: Why the Earth Is Fighting Back - and How We Can Still Save Humanity' is centred on just that fact. However I haven't read this book yet so cannot say how good it is.
Whilst I admit that since the original Gaia novel was first published, many of Lovelock's predictions have come true and his theory has become a fiercly argued topic in scientific circles, I am not wholly sure I agree with his hypothesis.
However, if the film is based on this sort of theory then I think it would make for interesting viewing. However, Shyamalan is becoming known as a bit of a 'one trick pony' and so I can only assume that the film will be of some incomprehensible story (anyone recall 'lady in the water') ending with some bizarre 'twist'.
It is a chance for an exciting film about a thought provoking subject; sadly I doubt if it will live up to its potential.
03-30-2008, 07:17 PM
Sornaensis
Again-- Not an organism, not a sentient entity. A system as identified by humans.
And as I also said-- inside the ecosystem, natual things happen to even out overgrown populations-- Disease due to the organisms having taken over much of the space-- Famine-- Incession.
Things that happen because there are too many, but not by choice-- they just happen.
There is no "toxin".
If there was, I'd like to see some significant proof.
03-30-2008, 07:20 PM
nina
We should probably make a new thread for this movie. =P I'd like to hear people's input on it anyways. I love every M. Night film...so I'm excited for it, regardless.
03-30-2008, 07:20 PM
Cyclic13
Nina there is an anime dealing with this theme you might want to check out called Kaze no Tani no Naushika, from a pretty famous director, Hayao Miyazaki, who is in a class of his own and has done movies like Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, Castle in the Sky, etc...
Kaze no Tani no Naushika (1984)
In the far future, a thousand years after a nuclear war left the Earth as a nuclear holocaust. The Valley of the Wind, a small kingdom ruled by King Jil struggles for survival as the community tries to defend the Valley from gigantic Ohm creatures and toxic plants that live beyond the Valley in the Sea of Decay, whilst Jil's daughter and heiress to the throne, Princess Nausicaa tries to understand and feels it is wrong to destroy the toxic jungle. The Valley is attacked by the Tolmekian people who plan to destroy the Sea of Decay by using the greatest warriors that started the holocaust. After Nausicaa is taken prisoner, Nausicca escapes and goes beneath the Sea of Decay where she discovers the toxic plants are not poisoning the air and are purifying the world by draining the air of radiation and toxins. With everything at stake, Nausicaa unites with the Ohms and set out to the Valley and foil the Tolmekians plan of unleashing the Great Warrior which will start another holocaust
03-30-2008, 07:31 PM
nina
Oh honey...I'm an enormous Miyazaki fan...Nausicaa is one of my favorite movies! I would rent it tonight if I could, but blockbuster doesn't have it in the stores. I get all his movies through my all-access online thing.
03-30-2008, 07:33 PM
Cyclic13
Ah... that's unfortunate. The manga is MUCH longer, more detailed, and better explained, by the way.
04-03-2008, 01:13 AM
dragonoverlord
The EARTH IS SCREWED
04-03-2008, 01:16 AM
Sornaensis
In the Immortal words of Ian Malcom: "Life... Finds a way"
04-03-2008, 03:50 AM
Moonbeam
Yea, rats and cockroaches will go on.
04-03-2008, 08:51 PM
Sornaensis
Hey well this entire planet full of life started with a few simple unicellular bacteria so anything can happen in that respect.
In the orient the unnatural hornet is beasting on them. And aren't honey bees not ingenious to united states?
04-26-2008, 08:34 AM
LucidFlanders
First time i've seen this thread...wow. I was thinking today on the toilet where the hell have the bee's been? years ago they were always buzzing around, the last few years not so much.
04-26-2008, 03:15 PM
The Cusp
A partial explanation could be that flowers are losing their scent due to pollution.