First of all, I believe I've played a huge part in derailing this topic. Sorry about that.
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invader_tech
That hardly sounded polite. Thanks.
It's all in love :D
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That's a different kind of nature. It's spelled the same, has a different meaning... -_- We were not discussing anything in regards to behavior.
Nope, wrong kind of nature.
That's my point: there's a broader scope of "nature" then simply "everything but Humans.
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Are we talking about God now? Regardless, that has nothing to do with the nature we're talking about.
I'm not. I see nature as the entirety of natural forces, physics, inter-species relationships, etc... Not a personal being pulling the strings.
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That does not make men or women a part of nature. A human making machines stronger, for example, does not make humanity a part of machinery.
Well, yes it does! I suppose you're going to tell me that Humans are not animals too? ALL animals are - by virtue of existence - "part of nature".
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Using the word in it's own deffinition is always looked down upon. It's like saying "What's the deffinition for narcissism? Um, someone who is narcissistic and... etc". BAD.
No, no, no. The usage of the word (which was copied and pasted from the page I linked to, by the way) was their usage example, not part of the definition, silly.
You're conviently omitting the word "especially". Especially does not mean "only".
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Can't change nature? Sorry, we can.
But you're still basing your argument on a false premise: that we are not part of nature. It's not possible to not be part of nature.
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Letting people know that bees are dying out is something to be shameful about then?
No, not at all.
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Last time I checked, things that affected the survival of our species were pretty important to stay tuned into.
Absolutely. As long as we don't try to place blame where it doesn't belong. Remember the who Gods topic. We (collectively) tend to assign cause to things we don't understand. And when that happens it's almost always proven to be incorrect in the long run.
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The only people 'loathing' are those who don't know any better. Pointing the finger at others doesn't fix anything. Figure we can agree on that, no?
We absolutely do agree on that, yes.
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No, I wasn't referring to global climate change, but instead to the air quality. It doesn't take scientific instruments to tell the air is bad when you live in the middle of LA, and that alone directly affects our health.
But the two are being tied together - for better or worse - by popular mentality, without sufficient backings.
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Then the way we see it different. Perspective man.
It's really only a matter of semantics. So, no further argument there.
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If you can't deny it, it looks like I did.
Not so much :roll: You can't take the most extreme, unlikely example to make your case. It doesn't hold up to realistic scrutiny. Sure, if I applied 1 million volts to my nipples I'd probably die. But that doesn't exactly prove that a 9 volt battery needs to be handled with gloves, tweezers, a rubber bra and a hazmat suit.
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If I couldn't understand what I was talking about, I wouldn't have said it.
You'd think so...
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Scare tactics about burning to cinders isn't laughable to you? I'd have thought you of all people would find it that rediculous.
YES!!! That's my point! It's a scare tactic used by the "extremists" on the topic. It's 100% ridiculous and 200% laughable.
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Unless we gather enough evidence to conclude that the events are man made. Hunting a particular animal into extinction is a good example. The development of a chemical or viral strain that kills another species off is another good example. Global warming is not a good example, because there are too many variables.
But the dwindling of various species, for example, also involves far more variables than we generally acknowledge.
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I'd call them extremists, but that's just me.
Agreed.
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When you called them do-gooders, I was under the impression that you were referring to everyone who was environmentally conscious, including those who were not extremists.
Well, they are the most forceful and volcal of the do-gooder crowd. That said, yes, there are degrees. Not all people who care and who try to do the right thing are extremists. So to clarify, my usage of the term was referring to the extremists only, not all "do-gooders".
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If I agree with you on this one too, and you say I'm wrong, it would make you wrong too.
If you agree with me you can never be wrong :mrgreen:
Peace...