Thread: Homos Male/Female roles?

No.

I see homosexual people being who they are. Some males act more feminine, and visa versa. But not all homosexual people are like this from my experience.

I agree.

I agree with Adam.

And you might want to rethink the way you word your titles. Saying "homos" when you are refering to gays is like saying "niggers" referring to negros. It's not exactly polite. I'm not a stickler for political correctness at all, but show a little respect.

Originally Posted by Alextanium

I agree with Adam.

And you might want to rethink the way you word your titles. Saying "homos" when you are refering to gays is like saying "niggers" referring to negros. It's not exactly polite. I'm not a stickler for political correctness at all, but show a little respect.

I get the exemption that black people get... =P It was to keep it short and grab peoples attention. Like I said my target audience is actually bigoted people, because I want to understand their motivations.

(also, I wonder if heterosexuals get angry if someone calls them hetero...basically I refuse to be upset about things that another human being parallel would not be.)

If some men or woman can be stronger than others, can be smarter than others, or have countless traits that differ, then why could it not be that some men are more of a male than others. Some woman are more female than others?
Is it only because it is a taboo topic?
If we as a society did not look and "gay" as being bad, then how would people perceive it then?

Originally Posted by Howie

If some men or woman can be stronger than others, can be smarter than others, or have countless traits that differ, then why could it not be that some men are more of a male than others. Some woman are more female than others?
Is it only because it is a taboo topic?
If we as a society did not look and "gay" as being bad, then how would people perceive it then?

Ah Howie brings up a good point.
Heterosexual people can seem more male or more female as well.
Which is one topic I was trying to take on the homosexual side, but had not thought of on the heterosexual side.


However the other is that in general do you consider the fact that a woman likes a woman makes her trying to be male, or man liking man trying to be female as well.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Ah Howie brings up a good point.
Heterosexual people can seem more male or more female as well.
Which is one topic I was trying to take on the homosexual side, but had not thought of on the heterosexual side.


However the other is that in general do you consider the fact that a woman likes a woman makes her trying to be male, or man liking man trying to be female as well.

I'm not 100% clear on the question Sandform. A mental state or in physical form?
If a man or a woman are truly gay then I do not think they are trying to be anything but who they are and how they feel. However in a cultural sense I see homosexuals on either side playing the role of their opposite born gender. i.e., A man cross dressing as a woman or a female who looks like a biker. Of coarse that does not automatically conclude that you are homosexual but, IMHO that is the reason these topics are difficult to discuss. There are ALWAYS exceptions and variables. Because one tries to engage in understanding homosexuals you are usually cast into your own category as well, a homophobic or what have you.

Let's say we have the brain, the most extraordinary organ and most complex of organs. It would stand to reason it can fault like any other organ, likely more do to it's complexity.
Now we have a child who was born with autism, That is in some form a mental defect. They are not right but they are not wrong.We can not look at homosexualty in the same light. No?

Originally Posted by Howie

I'm not 100% clear on the question Sandform. A mental state or in physical form?
If a man or a woman are truly gay then I do not think they are trying to be anything but who they are and how they feel. However in a cultural sense I see homosexuals on either side playing the role of their opposite born gender. i.e., A man cross dressing as a woman or a female who looks like a biker. Of coarse that does not automatically conclude that you are homosexual but, IMHO that is the reason these topics are difficult to discuss. There are ALWAYS exceptions and variables. Because one tries to engage in understanding homosexuals you are usually cast into your own category as well, a homophobic or what have you.

Let's say we have the brain, the most extraordinary organ and most complex of organs. It would stand to reason it can fault like any other organ, likely more do to it's complexity.
Now we have a child who was born with autism, That is in some form a mental defect. They are not right but they are not wrong.We can not look at homosexualty in the same light. No?

Well, I would say that comparing homosexuality with autism is a stretch. I believe a post that was made in lightheartedness (the fetish thread) some of us decided that categorizing homosexuality is more of a fetish than a "defect."

fetish

noun
1. a form of sexual desire in which gratification depends to an abnormal degree on some object or item of clothing or part of the body; "common male fetishes are breasts, legs, hair, shoes, and underwear"

Essentially all sexual desire that "depends" on something is a fetish. Therefore having being straight has a opposite sex fetish, and being homosexual requires same sex fetish.

Anyways...The question is an easy one to understand but hard to get across question lol.

Let me just do one side of the sex and you can fill in the gap for the other gender.

Male: Does a man loving another man inherently make him trying to be like a woman?

Meanwhile I like the direction this thread is going. I don't think that someone should be afraid of being labeled a homophobic person because they are trying to understand homosexuals. We all have our preconceptions about people that we don't understand...therefore there's nothing you can say, as long as you are willing to change your mind when presented with evidence contrary, that would lead me to think you are homophobic.

Originally Posted by Sandform

Well, I would say that comparing homosexuality with autism is a stretch. I believe a post that was made in lightheartedness (the fetish thread) some of us decided that categorizing homosexuality is more of a fetish than a "defect."

Why?
In either case, being born gay or turned gay (nurture vs.nature) they are both effects of the brain.
If we could compare any mental state to another then ..... Forget it
... I have been in this debate too many times.
If we were all gay, we would cease to exist. I believe that someone who is gay is no more at fault than someone who is autistic or whatever, it just is. Just as someone is born without a limb or someone is born highly intelligent. It is not a fault by ones own standard but could it not be considered a fault by nature?

Meanwhile I do like the direction this thread is going. I don't think that someone should be afraid of being labeled a homophobic person because they are trying to understand homosexuals. We all have our preconceptions about people that we don't understand...therefore there's nothing you can say, as long as you are willing to change your mind when presented with evidence contrary, that would lead me to think you are homophobic.

Sorry, I will leave the topic alone, I think I'm steering it off tract.

Lol ok that's cool. I liked it but oh wells.

I have no clue at all what makes a person homosexual. All I know is that I do not believe it is the same as a mental illness. I don't consider being straight a mental illness, I don't consider needing a specific size of breasts to be on a female to turn you on to be a mental illness. That was my only objection. People keep saying that being gay is a mental illness. Homosexuality was taken out of the list of mental illnesses long long ago when people realized that's not what it was. I don't like comparing homosexuals to a mental illness is my only objection, because though you don't mean to, it is equating it with something being wrong with you.

I'm not saying you are calling it a mental illness, i'm only saying that by making a comparison between the two it equates it to being so.

The idea that homosexuals have a mental illness is the popular reason why people try to refute the idea that homosexuals deserve the right to marriage.

Go away.

Originally Posted by Alex D

Go away.

What?

I would recommend reading The New Gay Teenager. Touches on pretty much every subject you could want, with data to back it up.

Originally Posted by Mes Tarrant

I would recommend reading The New Gay Teenager. Touches on pretty much every subject you could want, with data to back it up.

I've never read that. Is this an informative book or a novel? I have read a few novels about homosexuality. I'm going to google it anyway but I figured I might as well ask =P.

I really just want to understand what society thinks, rather than what they "should" think. I guess I could google that too...lol

Originally Posted by Sandform

Do you think of homosexual people as trying to be like the opposite sex?

Nope, well not all, Maybe a select few?

I know I try to be like a girl sometimes, but not TOO much, then again im not gay, or straight so for me its a bit different.

honestly though, I don't really know

Well have you ever see how people some times talk about them like they are a normal couple? If you have two woman, one is normally the 'man' and the other is the 'woman'.

Then again you look at normal couples and some times people say the man is the 'woman', and the woman is the 'man'. I dont think any of that stuff has any real meaning to it though. I think its mostly what people say when they are joking around.

It's an information book, hence the "with data to back everything up." It's basically a book of tons of research, but written in a way that's fun to read, so it's not just like pages and pages of graphs or something. It's really quite insightful.

Cool.

Gender identity and sexual preference are not the same thing. There is the gender you are, the gender you identify with, and the gender you prefer to have sex with. There's many combinations there.

Originally Posted by Howie

...why could it not be that some men are more of a male than others. Some woman are more female than others?

What does it mean to be "more male" or "more female"?

Originally Posted by Forsaken

Gender identity and sexual preference are not the same thing. There is the gender you are, the gender you identify with, and the gender you prefer to have sex with. There's many combinations there.

Very true.

Also I agree with alric said, sometimes the girlfriend is the one wearing the pants, and the boyfriend is the woman.

(thats sorta me lol)

and mark I think he meant more feminine more masculine not more woman more man

Though in some cases the person brain may be more female than male (there are difference's, in fact I find it very sexist the way they categorize the brain. They call the male brain just "the brain" but if its female they say "female brain." Why don't they say male brain when male and female when female?

Originally Posted by Sandform

Why don't they say male brain when male and female when female?

Not a clue, I guess our brains are dumb?

I know my brain isn't male or female, more of a 70/30 mixture

I'd say im more 65-70% female brained and the rest male

But its strange because I act, sound, look and appear to be a normal 100% masculine guy to MOST people, but when people get to know me they realise the big chunk of femininity I have

Ok well to think in stereotypical terms NO...

In a lesbian relationship (completely stereotyping) there is generally one feminine woman and one butch woman.. so although the butch one may be taking a more masculine approach to her appearance and personal life, the efeminate one clearly is remaining true to her born sex!

so u obv cannot in this circumstance define every lesbian of trying to be the opposite sex.

Same quite often with a male gay relationship. one masculine and one somewhat more effeminate. one is one isnt

Hence u again cannot define every gay male of trying to be more female.

Therefore you cannot in any way shape or form generalise a sexuality because each individual relationship and indeed individual person is completely different.