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By asking if a larger population = faster evolution.
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Yes you did.
By asking if a larger population = faster evolution.
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Originally Posted by bluefinger
yes, that is what I said. thats why natural selection is no longer the process evolving us TODAY. because natural selection ALREADY gave us the ultimate tool
No, other processes such as Sexual Selection still occurs to this day. It's not really an ultimate tool considering we are pretty prone to disease, and all sorts of problems. Hell, we haven't adapted fully for walking upright yet (as we still suffer from back problems, etc).Quote:
Originally Posted by juroara
Evolution occurs all the time, and doesn't stop just because a species gains a new and unique trait. This includes humans.
I'm not saying a lion isn't dangerous. If you are alone in the wild, you're anyones game!Quote:
Originally Posted by bluefinger
But how often do lions run into a city area and eat people? How often do wolves? Or bears? There are many cities and towns that border the wild, but we don't go to sleep at night afraid anymore. Even most native cultures that I know of can get some rest as well.
Once upon a time, those very same mammals attacked us in our sleep. Bears, wolves, lions, and such, they were all monsters and we were their prey. Things are so different now, most predators have shown a fear of humans. Especially at the sound of a gun.
I dont believe evolution has stoppedQuote:
Originally Posted by bluefinger
I believe it has a taken a very unique process that is very different than natural selection in humanity. that is all.
Natural Selection is still occurring, and all the other processes involved with Evolution. Best to look up Punctuated Equilibrium...Quote:
Originally Posted by juroara
you're going to have to do more to convince me than thatQuote:
Originally Posted by bluefinger
natural selection has always been about WHO DIES, WHO LIVES
"Natural selection acts on the phenotype, or the observable characteristics of an organism, such that individuals with favorable phenotypes are more likely to survive"
remember we are talking about the future of human evolution. not the past. how is natural selection going to continue to evolve us when natural selection is about what genes get to be carried on?
either: people die - or they don't have sex
do ugly people still have kids? yes. do pretty people still die pathetic deaths? yes. is sexual selection producing any super races...NO. even a beautiful model is grotesquely hideous if she is 400 pounds overweight, a drunken slob who doesn't shower. believe it or not, but sexual attraction has a lot more to do with personality - hygiene - and overall health than any specific 'pretty' gene. even a person with relatively ugly features, is pretty attractive if they are healthy!! all of those three traits, are not fixed, but can change in a persons life time.
today evolution is not about, whether or not you die. today evolution is not about whether or not you survive the wild. no. its about surviving the modern life. who survives modern life. the thing is, we are deciding this in our own right. because we created the modern world, we created its difficulties, and were the ones deciding what traits in a human are desirable, and what traits aren't.
it has very little to do with your genes as well. even a number of children born with handicaps are born with handicaps because of something gone wrong during the development in the wound, and not because of their DNA.
as the modern world becomes more challenging, we will slowly weed out those who aren't fit enough for its jungle. but even then, this doesn't necessarily weed out their genes - the losers still might have kids.
the picture isn't black and white. its not dualistic. whether or not you survive the modern world, comes down to your individuality. this individuality is not fixed, all individuals can change and enrich themselves as they grow up.
were not like animals, who are trapped. who can't change. who can't adjust. who can't learn. thus needing a mutant gene to change them.
our genes, have already enabled us to be ability to GROW, and CHANGE. this has created a mental evolutionary process. if you look at mankind as a whole, as a single organism, it makes more sense why and how our minds evolve us. look at the ancient tribes that haven't changed. why haven't they changed? is it maybe because - they have learned nothing new?
natural selection is not the only force behind evolution.
It isn't, it is one of many, which was why I included sexual selection, but also you have Gene drift and Gene flow.Quote:
Originally Posted by juroara
Also, Natural Selection still occurs, and whilst it may not have as drastic effects, when diseases are involved, then it can be very drastic indeed. For example, when the first Europeans discovered the Americas, all the diseases that the Europeans brought over decimated the natives. Why? Because the natives were not exposed to such diseases before and thus had no natural immunity or resistance to those diseases. Afterwards, only those with enough resistance to the diseases survived, and thus developed the necessary immunities. These people went on to repopulate and consequently spread the genes which promoted the resistance against such diseases.
It is still occurring, though the shift is slower and advances differently due to the way the population interacts and is able to move about. We are no longer isolated in communities, we have medicines, but even then, this increases the amount of Gene flow within the population. Variation is maintained, but if a new disease were to arise, it would be decimating the populace until a new medicine were to arrive or until we begin to develop a resistance to it. This is the case with HIV and various other diseases.
All in all, Evolution is still at work.
So evolution is all mutated babies and aids. Sounds pretty evil to me, we should put a stop to it! Never mind the war on Terror, we need a war on Evolution.
Who says animals can't learn. Ever heard of Pavlov's bell?http://smileys.on-my-web.com/reposit...drooling-5.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by juroara
What the fuck on a stick?
Juroara, consider this....
A human is born with a mutation that forms a clump of cells which contain a dense substance and lie close to a nerve. Now, when something such as an X-ray passes through that clump of cells, it reacts and sends a signal up the nerve to the brain. Voila, that person can now detect x-rays.
Yes, thats a corny example but I just made up something off the top of my head. XD But an evolution such as that is entirely possible and another sense is a competitive advantage, yes? You might do the predictable thing and whine about the fact that everyone on the planet except him isn't gonna die off in modern society but consider this: he now has his work cut out for him. He can do something that nobody else can and this ensures him and the people who inherit his genes an income. No, it probably won't be in a hurry to spread far and wide... punctuated equilibrium and all that fun stuff... but damn.... you're gonna have some people who eveolved to be able to detect x-rays walking around.
PS- don't try and refute by giving resons that only pertain to that example.... just no....
@ seis, I suck at wording, okay? XD
What.... the... fuck?Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cusp
Please be troll...
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Originally Posted by arby
I've already evolved, you schmucks.
I cast Acid Missile!Quote:
Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix
Rolled a twenty!
Pwnage.
You stunned him. Now he's in troll mode. Quick hit him it again with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluefinger
Another one down. Two in one go. Get out the lizard eating experiment where the dna changes before he mentions Darwinism again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seismosaur
You cast nonsense of mass destruction.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluefinger
Rolled a Universal mind. Darwinism fails step back 3 places.
Another troll approaches...Quote:
Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix
DUM DUM DUMMMM
We already said you were in troll mode. :idea2: DUM DUM DUMMM
Apparently, my geek humour has failed... :(
No it was my geek humor that failed.:poof:
Maybe... just maybe... we both failed. D:Quote:
Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix
Indeed we did.
I'm hoping that we will merge ourselves with computer technology and become omnipotent digital beings.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity