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      Gay in Iraq

      Story: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/...ref=time_world

      Video: http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/...ld#cnnSTCVideo

      What made me particularly revolted by the story here is that when a 16 yr old boy was kidnapped for ransom, when they found out he was gay, he was raped every day for 15 days...and he is too afraid to tell anyone because then people would know he had sex with men...and who the hell knows what his family and the law officials would do.

      "Militias are reportedly threatening families of men believed to be homosexual, stating that they will begin killing family members unless the men are handed over or killed by the family," it said.

      "the biggest threats right now are from militia organizations, who will attack and actually sometimes kill gay men and women."


      "I would rather commit suicide than allow my family to find out I am gay," Rami said.

      One man said he considers gays no different from "criminals and terrorists."

      Rami said he once fell in love with a man who was part of the Mehdi Army, a Shiite insurgent group loyal to the radical anti-American cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.

      Their relationship eventually soured.

      "One day he told me he would come over to my house and kill me in front of my family," Rami said. "I told him I would come outside and be killed in the street because I do not want my family to find out I am gay."

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      That is one of the reasons I say Islamic fundamentalists are far worse than Christian fundamentalists at this point in history.

      In Iran, it is illegal to be gay, and the penalty for homosexual behavior is death. That is death at the hands of the government, not just fringe nuts out in society.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      That is one of the reasons I say Islamic fundamentalists are far worse than Christian fundamentalists at this point in history.

      In Iran, it is illegal to be gay, and the penalty for homosexual behavior is death. That is death at the hands of the government, not just fringe nuts out in society.
      If I lived in Iraq lots of officials would start dieing =). I guess I'm a radical =(.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sandform View Post
      If I lived in Iraq lots of officials would start dieing =). I guess I'm a radical =(.
      Iran is a sovereign nation. They can do whatever they want to their citizens. It's none of the rest of the world's business.

      (sarcasm)
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      Is that how you spell that country? hehe. I would try to do something now but I lacks da funds.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Sandform View Post
      Is that how you spell that country? hehe. I would try to do something now but I lacks da funds.
      The government of Iraq, installed courtesy of the United States of America, does not kill people for being gay. But the government of Iran does. We might be paying them a visit soon.
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      Ah I thought you were speaking in regards to my article reference.

      In Iraq I'm not certain but sodomy was illegal...and repeated offense punishable by death though no know cases of death penalty are known. However increasing occurences of police/militia murders of homosexuals and transgendered people are spreading.

      I didn't see anything in the law specifically for lesbians though. Rest assured however they are being targeted as well by these homophobic officers.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sandform View Post
      Ah I thought you were speaking in regards to my article reference.

      In Iraq I'm not certain but sodomy was illegal...and repeated offense punishable by death though no know cases of death penalty are known. However increasing occurences of police/militia murders of homosexuals and transgendered people are spreading.

      I didn't see anything in the law specifically for lesbians though. Rest assured however they are being targeted as well by these homophobic officers.
      I am not sure what the Hussein regime's policy on homosexuality was. They killed their citizens over pretty much anything, so killing homosexuals would not be such a surprise. The new government policy does not have an agenda of killing homosexuals, though some of the people who work in the government do since they are fresh out of Hussein society. The upcoming generations will tend to not be so much like that.
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      Yeah. The law that made sodomy illegal was made to appease some religious nuts.

      I guess it wasn't apparent but when I use the word "was" it was because I was trying to show that it "was" illegal but isn't now, or atleast isn't necessarily still illegal I can't seem to get a definitive answer from searching the web.. However

      "increasing occurences of police/militia murders of homosexuals and transgendered people are spreading."

      Is occuring right now without any legal justification.

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      This just brings tears to my eyes

      If I was born there, I'd be dead already.

      Just think about that for a moment sand, if you were born there and me...we would both be butchered and raped and humilitated.




      What a wonderful world
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      Quote Originally Posted by guerilla View Post
      This just brings tears to my eyes

      If I was born there, I'd be dead already.

      Just think about that for a moment sand, if you were born there and me...we would both be butchered and raped and humilitated.




      What a wonderful world

      Oh no...other people would be dead right now my friend, other people would be dead.

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      lol I'd help you to wipe out all of the homophobes in iraq, those poor gay bi and trans iraqis still have it bad, the hussein regime was bad, but i don't think much has changed in terms of sexual orientation acceptance in the middle east.
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      Well I wouldn't necessarily kill "all" the homophobes...I mean some are just annoying without being dangerous.

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      this is why ethnocentricity should still exist

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      What made me particularly revolted by the story here is that when a 16 yr old boy was kidnapped for ransom, when they found out he was gay, he was raped every day for 15 days...and he is too afraid to tell anyone because then people would know he had sex with men...and who the hell knows what his family and the law officials would do.

      "Militias are reportedly threatening families of men believed to be homosexual, stating that they will begin killing family members unless the men are handed over or killed by the family," it said.

      "the biggest threats right now are from militia organizations, who will attack and actually sometimes kill gay men and women."
      What on earth are you talking about. Thuggery has no place in our society. It's solved. Didn't you hear the politicians.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix View Post
      What on earth are you talking about. Thuggery has no place in our society. It's solved. Didn't you hear the politicians.
      Yes Minverva, we all saw your little post that took a simple statement and turned it into more than what it is. =).


      Assholes have no rightful place on dreamviews but yet here you still are...did you ever stop to think that maybe by saying that it has no place in society he was making the statement that our society isn't doing its job correctly, and perhaps because of this it needs to be said?

      I guess since your thread died you're trying to thread jack others. Good show.
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      Sandform tantrums don't work how old do you have to be before you were an adult. Who are you to comment on anything moral.
      Last edited by Minervas Phoenix; 08-01-2008 at 02:33 PM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix View Post
      haha sandform tantrums don't work. How old do you have to be before you were an adult.
      It is actually a quote from an online article about why some children are more emotional than others(the dreaded shopping line tantrum).

      I don't know how old do you have to be before you were an adult? =P

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      I don't know how old do you have to be before you were an adult?
      When you decided that tantrums didn't work.

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      Have you lost your mind? You don't seem to be saying anything of any sense these days. At least before when you were speaking BS it was BS that had some logical progressive thought involved.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix View Post
      Sandform tantrums don't work how old do you have to be before you were an adult. Who are you to comment on anything moral.
      Do you honestly have nothing better to do with your life than this? What does this do for you? "Ooh, I deliberately make stupid points on the internet all day. Wooo hoooo!!!" WTF?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Universal Mind View Post
      Do you honestly have nothing better to do with your life than this? What does this do for you? "Ooh, I deliberately make stupid points on the internet all day. Wooo hoooo!!!" WTF?
      haha that is actually one of your better points. And most of the time they are just kids I am talking to. I think it's because you naturally want people to understand things. Which compels you to keep making comments. Yes I should waste less time on here.

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      Seeing as Minervas has distracted everyone from the point of this thread I'm going to bring things back on track.(WOO HOO)

      So, the fact that gay's, bi's,trans, etc are being mistreated in The Middle East is horrid, but sadly enough there will be serious prejudices being held towards minority groups for quite a while.
      Even after The Middle East starts to accept gays,etc, minority groups will probably always be used as a target of sorts by governments, extremist groups, etc for a long time to come.

      And, maybe its just me, but people do have an inclination(sp?) to dislike minority groups purely because they're different. (the treatment of African-Americans in the very recent past, gays in the present, etc)

      The past(and the present) are example's of that...(Holocaust, slavery, etc)
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      Yea shrimpster, its horrible whats going on out there

      I feel so sorry for them, and then I here in the states complain about the discrimination we face here at home, its nothing compared to the middle east, I should be glad im bi and just not care about what people think, cause I probably won't get blown up or executed for it, unless I lived in Iraq.
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      Quote Originally Posted by shrimpster View Post

      And, maybe its just me, but people do have an inclination(sp?) to dislike minority groups purely because they're different. (the treatment of African-Americans in the very recent past, gays in the present, etc)

      The past(and the present) are example's of that...(Holocaust, slavery, etc)
      Black People mug white people, robb liquor stores. Gays createed AIDS, Asians preform better then white people at intellectual type stuff so they steal ld jobs from white ppl. Jews control the worlds media and horde money for themselves. Native Americans are living in the Past. Slavic people are shrewed and untrustworthy. Irish are lazy violent drunks. Arabs make things go boom. Chinese people sell fake electronics to people without their knowledge. Mexicans have no respect for fences. Cats think they are all that. Dogs need to grow a spine. Pigoens shit on ppls brandnew cars.

      Ya i think there's a reason for why minorities are treated like shit...
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